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Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
Koush said:
Hey, I reverse engineered the Nav wheel. It may be multitouch, but the raw data I get back from the Diamond does not indicate that it is. The only data I was able to retrieve is rotations per second. I also have not figured out how to reverse engineer the center button.
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Maybe you have already seen it .. but check out the 'NavDbgTool.exe' here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Diamond_Testing_Tool
Riel said:
Since there IS a topic about using the G-sensor, I guess it is a good idea to come up with a thread about using the capacative touchpad of the diamond.
Since the test-tools were out, we saw that the left and right part of the centre-button is a multi-touch enabled touchpad.
It could be used in so many ways, for gestures, extra 'hardware' keys, etc. That's the reason for this topic.
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Good idea ! I was thinking about starting such topic..
What about a unlocker ? If you slide your finger from Home key to the Answer key and at the same time you slide your other finger from the Back key to the Don't Answer key ? Could be nice.. just an idea!
What I have seen, that is quite hard, since above and below the nav-pad is no touch-pad. It sees it as 'nav-pad action' then.
I thought of navigating in another way.
What multitouch-applications do there exist, and are any of them usable for the limited space we have besides the nav-wheel?
It DOES give 4 extra 'hardware' keys. Even key-combinations can be made
Maybe some genious will find a slick way of text-inputting via the 2 pads !
Just give it a small kick upwards
Dont let this topic die?
I was just looking at this for a bit, think I get some clues about how to get the data. I have a time-problem, though Will probably be a while before I pick it up again.
However, I think I saw Schaps mention he is using it in his new touchxperience UI, that'd mean he knows how to do it. Why not just ask him?
I can see one use already. Capacitive sensors are more responsive than resistive screens, so it would be cool to use this in place of touching the screen to scroll through touchflo3d tabs.
Surur
Does any one know if this is implemented in the touch pro? and if so, in what way? Maybe we will inherit whatever the pro has to offer in this regard.
YESSSS!
This is awsome!
Did you guyzz see the vid vid?
Unlocking the Diamond with no Hard button touch at alll?.
Cheers fellasss
Nice, looking forward to a nice task manager and launcher mouse pad thing in the future!
A mouse like on the Samsung Omnia would be a good idea.
Surur
Not really multitouch
OK, I've download the NavDBG tool and played with it... strictly speaking this isn't multitouch, or not multitouch in the way that the apple looks at it. It's single touch but split into 3 areas. Basically imagine the button area at the bottom of the diamond is split into 3 columns.
You have 3 single touch areas:
1) On the left with the home and dial buttons
2) In the middle tracking outside the circle or also detecting a touch (not a button press) inside the circle. If you finger touches both outside and inside the circle, outside the circle takes precedence
3) On the right with the back and hangup buttons.
The multitouch impression comes from the fact that all 3 of these single touch areas can be used simultaneously.
This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple, but it does mean that a device fairly limited in terms of buttons could get a lot of good enhancements to useability.
My biggest annoyance with the device is when you are trying to gesture in TF3D or in an app (eg scrolling in opera) and it decides you've tapped mid gesture and follows a link etc, using the louch sensitive lower areas for gestures would eliminate this problem and make for a much better user experience (in my opinion).
Also, for games, the potential to use the touch sensitive lower area for a range of game controls would be great.
So all good stuff, but not strictly speaking multitouch.
edit: Additionally it seems to only see a narrow horizontal band in the middle (wheel) section. Interestingly it seems to register about 1cm on each side of the wheel and inside the button, it seems to infer rotation around the wheel based on the finger movements as it crosses these areas.
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This doesn't in my opinion open up brilliant options in terms of pinch to shrink spread to enlarge ala apple
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Seeing how small the pad area it, this would still work, just with fingers on different sensitive areas. If fact, this sounds like a perfect first implementation - zooming in Opera Mobile (although a bit senseless since the scroll wheel works with one hand while pinching will need two).
Surur
i think the biggest advantage of this revelation will the benefit of some new added buttons. I can think of a few uses for them too.
left/right touch to
move fwd/back through tabs in opera
skip fwd/back tracks in music player
pounding the hell out of when playing daily thompsons decathalon (if anyone remembers that great 80's game)
I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I remember reading somewhere that someone is preparing a SDK for this. I think it's very important since we have almost no programmable keys. This can be used as extra keys. Any news on this front?
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I would love to see this!
My full on support.
I was thinking of using the touchpanels for a mousepointer control!
I know, when browsing opera, my fingers are too fat to click small links.
Must keep zooming.
I wonder if it was possible to pop up a mouse cursor, and move it with one small touch-panel. The other panel for left and rightclicks.
I have held my diamond with that idea, and I think it is very useful and finger-friendly!
CapacitiveFingerLock
I did make a Proof of Concept of CapacativeFingerLock. This one gives another possibility of locking/unlocking the Touch Diamond or Touch Pro.
Hello.
I asked this already 100x,but I got no answer,so I try again.
Is there a way to disable automatic rotation when sliding the keyboard out?
I hate it.
If I need,I can do it manually(maybe 1% of the time I need landscape) and the rotation is unwanted slowdown.
Can someone modify the sensor driver or show me another way,how to achieve this please?
I'll be soooooo lucky then.
Thanks.
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How do you use the keyboard if the screen is not in landscape mode ?
I doubt there's a know method, because you're maybe the only person in the word who don't want the landscape mode when using the keyboard..
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How do you use the keyboard if the screen is not in landscape mode ?
I doubt there's a know method, because you're maybe the only person in the word who don't want the landscape mode when using the keyboard..
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Mostly I am using keyboard for ICQ for really short messages.
Few words I want to write will take 3 seconds normally,but with rotation it takes 20.
It makes me no problem to write "Hi" when notrotated screen.
If you screen rotation back and forth takes 17 seconds,
then there's something wrong with your ROM...
Anyway, I'll try to make a little app for you, but I don't know if it's going to work...
the_ozyrys said:
If you screen rotation back and forth takes 17 seconds,
then there's something wrong with your ROM...
Anyway, I'll try to make a little app for you, but I don't know if it's going to work...
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Please don't solve this. I want to solve just a simple thing - rotation disable.
Simple
TomasNM said:
Hello.
I asked this already 100x,but I got no answer,so I try again.
Is there a way to disable automatic rotation when sliding the keyboard out?
I hate it.
If I need,I can do it manually(maybe 1% of the time I need landscape) and the rotation is unwanted slowdown.
Can someone modify the sensor driver or show me another way,how to achieve this please?
I'll be soooooo lucky then.
Thanks.
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I have the perfect idea.....if you don't like or use landscape and you don't want the screen to rotate......DONT SLIDE OUT THE KEYBOARD.....lol.....i'm sure you know there is an on screen keyboard to use in portrait mode when you want to text or instant message. Pretty simple.
I do find it very weird that something like that would bother you, besides the fact that the rotation can lag at times. You should have got an Iphone or something without a keyboard.
I couldn't find any way to make Windows stay in portrait mode, BUT... when you're in landscape it will stay in it! I mean, screen won't change to portrait, when keyboard will be closed. So maybe you want to stay in landscape instead? I've written tiny app to change rotation back and forth...
1. I bought TP,because I USE keyboard(One more thing that leads me to upgrade from Himalaya)
2.Thanks,that I know. Maybe the driver has hardcoded the angle to rotate(270dgs) and I want to change this angle to zero(or in a better way to disable it completely),but don't know how.
I want to use portrait instead of landscape,because is much comfortable for me for 90% of time and apps. I can easily switch to ls by pressing a button.
Hi Guys,
Just a quick one, has anyone found a way to calibrate the screen as I find that when trying to select text and stuff the cursor is way off my finger and it's a tad difficult.
Is there anyway to run a calibration like you used to have to do for WM Devices that used a stylus???
Thanks.
Jamie
I have the same problem but i am putting it down to the first time i have used a touch screen like this (had Touch HD last)
I actually think it's designed that way, ie so you can see where you are placing the cursor rather than having to guess where your finger is over which piece of text you are trying to alter, if you watch when you place your finger the cursor appears above your finger which makes it a lot easier to position in a bunch of text.
IMO it's a neat solution to not having a track ball for easy positioning for editing text.
To confirm - it is designed that way
That's fine and now you mention it, it does make sense, thought it was just me that's all lol Actually quite like it now I'm getting used to it. Used to be tricky to do this on iPhone as my finger covered up the word lol
I have to say I loled a bit when I read this, you can even see the cursor pop up from under your finger
Anyone notice that the alternate characters on the Samsung keyboard is slow to respond? It works fine, I just find myself having to long press longer to get the alternate character. Causes me to make mistake quite often.
My Note 5 & Note 2 werenxt (<- see) this slow to respond. Anyway to remedy this? I've been comparing with my Note 5 & on the Note 8 itxs definitely slower to respond.
Yeah, it's pretty strange that Samsung doesn't include an option to adjust the response time like you can on third party keyboards. I'd suggest just trying out SwiftKey or others because it can definitely get annoying not getting the special key you want as fast as you want. Champagne problems, I know, but still. It's annoying, nonetheless.
EDIT: As you can see from the attached photo, SwiftKey (which I'm using) has this option but the stock Samsung keyboard does NOT offer it. Shame.
Yeah, same here. I like the Samsung keyboard because when apply a theme the keyboard is included. However, the special character problem plus the auto correct being so bad, I may have to switch.
Same here I like the Samsung keyboard because of it's features, the spen integration is the main one. Themes is also another.
I think I found a fix. Not sure if it's just in my head but it seems like it's ok now & I haven't made a mistake yet since the change. I disabled swipe to type. Well actually I changed it to cursor control, that's how I had it set on my N5. It makes sense as maybe the keyboard is sensing that you may be attemtping to swipe to type a word & causes the delay.
Now to fix my space bar issue but that's just me & my stubby thumb. I keep hitting letters or the period instead of the space bar. Same issue on my N5 & with the N8 being longer it's not helping in landscape mode. Tried changing the keyboard size but then all the letters are too far apart.
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Same here I like the Samsung keyboard because of it's features, the spen integration is the main one. Themes is also another.
I think I found a fix. Not sure if it's just in my head but it seems like it's ok now & I haven't made a mistake yet since the change. I disabled swipe to type. Well actually I changed it to cursor control, that's how I had it set on my N5. It makes sense as maybe the keyboard is sensing that you may be attemtping to swipe to type a word & causes the delay.
Now to fix my space bar issue but that's just me & my stubby thumb. I keep hitting letters or the period instead of the space bar. Same issue on my N5 & with the N8 being longer it's not helping in landscape mode. Tried changing the keyboard size but then all the letters are too far apart.
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The short spacebar on Samsung keyboards is the ONLY reason I have always used Gboard. Shame Samsung never revised it yet.
Like yourself I always hit period instead of space.
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Hello,
I have latency on the keyboard while taping on both side of the screen, I "fix" it by resizing the keyboard without touching the sides, but is there another fix ? I even feel it on the haptic feedback... Did somebody else have this problem ?
I have the same problem. Something feels "off" while typing and clicking on the side keys, like a little lag.
Does it only happen with Gboard? Could you try with another keyboard so that we can rule out a touch screen issue?
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Does it only happen with Gboard? Could you try with another keyboard so that we can rule out a touch screen issue?
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SwiftKey feel the same
Same here. Even though it's subtle, I noticed it immediately when I started using my pixel 5. Hopefully it's not a hardware fault.
EDIT: I also found this Reddit thread about the same problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/jodjzb/is_anyone_elses_pixel_5_keyboard_lagging/
It doesn't seems to have something to do with the side swipe back feature, the lag is still there with the 3 buttons navigations. Could it be something like a "prevent accidental side touch" feature ?
I created a bug report. Please star and provide feedback:
https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/173285421