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I would start this off by giving all the developers a big thank you! I'm not the only person here that appreciates what they have done for the community of Android and other OS based phones and tablets.
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
Why hasn't someone come up with a rom that mimic's the original purpose of the nook? What I mean by this, is create a rom that for all intents and purposes looks and acts like the original nook with the rest of the features hidden?
Again, this is just me, I still give thanks to all the developers and appreciate their hard work.
I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features
Hi,
Depends what you want from the Nook Color...
The Google Android market is not available under the stock B&N ROM, so that
is one wonderful feature either rooting or changing ROMs can you give you.
(Rumors say the next version of B&N software will have an limited B&N market)
If you use NC mainly for an eBook reader - Market access lets you also use
Amazon Kindle eBook reader, FBReader, various PDF readers and many others.
Of course there are games, music players & video players, web browsers, news
readers, weather apps, alarm clocks etc. too. Once you start installing applications
it can be interesting to change the base user interface and/or the performance of
the system - customizing & personalizing the NC can be fun too!
Or you can just use it as is, plenty of productive uses for the un-modified NC!
Peter
FroztIkon said:
But to the question at hand. Why would I need to customize the Nook color? I can understand rooting it, but why modify the system in such a way as to turn it into an over glorified phone?
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What you are missing is that modifying the system does not turn it into an over glorified phone.
It turns it into a Galaxy Tab that costs half the price.
The Nook Color is a tablet - onto which B&N then installed a special-purpose color e-reader operating system. By removing that operating system and installing a more general purpose Android operating system, one then has a 7 inch web tablet.
The Nook Color is well-suited to this, because B&N put a lot of their hardware $$ into a very high quality multi-touch display.
That allows the 7-inch size to show that it is the best compromise between portability and visibility.
Like a Kindle e-reader, the NC can be easily held with one hand, fits into a small bag or purse, or large coat pocket, but is large enough to clearly display a full page of text - or else a much bigger portion of a web page than a phone.
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I'm not a dev, but I don't really understand your question...you want a ROM that acts just like the stock nook now but with features hidden? If this is what you want then why bother rooting, just keep it as is. I, personally, don't know why you would want to hide more features, the purpose of root is to unhide or add features
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The purpose of the device was as a reader. Why root it, change the rom only to have to download the nook app for the nook? Which is kinda the reason of the question why. Why change the entire thing, then have to download an application that makes it do what it was meant to do.
I'd love to find a rom that has all the same features of Froyo or Gingerbread that doesn't remove the B&N functionality of the reader. Meaning, its a reader without needing to download the nook app.
This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.
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This is akin to asking why if you already own an iPhone would you buy an iPad2 or an iTouch.
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No, I'm being more specific to just one device. I have a Captivate, so according to you, why would I want a modified nook color.
The true purpose of the question, which if you read up, was why modify it, just to download the app for it's purpose.
Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.
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Well, for me there are two reasons....
Flash
Rooted Stock can be kinda... painful... at times. The settings is a perfect example. The stock version of android was customized to the point where it can be almost annoying to use as a tablet.
As to the purpose of reading, I agree. the nook app doesn't compare to the 'app(s)' that came stock. But while I do miss them, I much prefer to have a more true android experience.
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I agree. It is painful and missing the stock reader is painful as well. I guess I'm missing the point of the full Droid experience.
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You modify or upgrade it firmware is to UPGRADE its functionalities, if you want to use it more than a simple eReader. You'll turn it into a tablet, and/or replace many functions of your phone which it'll be better with the large screen.
the answer can quite simple actually. alot of people didn't buy it to be a reader. they bought it because they knew it could be rooted to be a fairly competent tablet.
afaik, nothing can be really done to make it what you want (stock b&n apps with froyo/gingerbread features) until B&N releases a newer version with Froyo. Its not a matter of the devs wanting to get rid of all the stock apps. if it were possible to maintain the stock apps and incorporate them into a froyo or gingerbread build i'm absolutely sure it would have been done. but i for one don't want the community standing still waiting for B&N to update its stock rom to froyo while great roms like CM7, and Nookie Froyo go undeveloped.
you're free to stay on autonooter (stock rooted) if that's what you want.
In other words: Why on Earth would anyone want to buy something and then make it much better... for free?
Barrist said it best. I didn't buy a nook for the ereader, I bought it for the potential to make it into an Android Tablet, and I'm very happy with it. Also there are MUCH better apps for reading than the Nook app or Kindle app, which is another reason I am happy. If you're interested in the features of different ereader apps, check out the post in the nook color themes and apps section (i'll be posting it later today)
And to answer a question that was implied, there is a dev working on a launcher that will mimic the stock ROM while flashed to another ROM. Although it has caused many issues (that they are trying to resolve) progress is going pretty well from what I understand. Unfortunately, it's not as simple as porting an app over to work, the dev actually has to modify the programming and I don't think he has much help. I think it's just one guy with advice from the community.
For me the purpose is because I don't want a ebook reader. I want the world's first affordable tablet, which a hacked Nook Color is. I never read books, but I use my Nook Color tablet for hours everyday (lots of fruit to cut).
For others the reason is because the stock B&N program only works on Eclair, and frankly Eclair sucks. No Flash, no hardware composite, no bluetooth support on Eclair.
Hello all. I am very interested in the Nook Color or the Samsung Galaxy Tab (Wifi). I just don't know which one to purchase. I do read a lot of books so I like the NC, but for a hundred extra dollars should I just get the Sammy Tab which has a faster processor? Basically, I was wondering if you guys would still be using the NC if you had the cash right now or would you have gone the other route? Thanks in advance and cheers.
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Hello all. I am very interested in the Nook Color or the Samsung Galaxy Tab (Wifi). I just don't know which one to purchase. I do read a lot of books so I like the NC, but for a hundred extra dollars should I just get the Sammy Tab which has a faster processor? Basically, I was wondering if you guys would still be using the NC if you had the cash right now or would you have gone the other route? Thanks in advance and cheers.
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Well, you're talking $250 vs $350 basically. The Galaxy Tab will have nice features like camera, etc. You don't have to put a custom ROM on it, it is supposed to even get Honeycomb (offical) some time in the future I guess. However, if you are willing to spend $350 on a tablet, I would suggest you pony up another $50 and get the Asus Transformer.
That being said though, cost wise you can't beat the Nook for features and custom ROM support.
I hear ya. The one thing that keeps drawing me to the Nook Color (aside from its price) is the fact that I love using my e-ink Nook for reading. I like the fact that the primary purpose of the NC is for books. How is the operating system on the NC? I heard that it got froyo. Is there access to the android market or do you have to root/flash to use it like a tab? Are movies OK to watch on it? I have seen the Asus Transformer, but I think that it is kind of ugly. I know the hardware is a beast, but the bezel around it is kind of huge isn't it? Aesthetically I like how the NC and the Sammy Tab look, and I like the 7 inch size. I am thinking portability. Who knows though, I could always change my mind and get a 10 inch tablet.
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I hear ya. The one thing that keeps drawing me to the Nook Color (aside from its price) is the fact that I love using my e-ink Nook for reading. I like the fact that the primary purpose of the NC is for books. How is the operating system on the NC? I heard that it got froyo. Is there access to the android market or do you have to root/flash to use it like a tab? Are movies OK to watch on it? I have seen the Asus Transformer, but I think that it is kind of ugly. I know the hardware is a beast, but the bezel around it is kind of huge isn't it? Aesthetically I like how the NC and the Sammy Tab look, and I like the 7 inch size. I am thinking portability. Who knows though, I could always change my mind and get a 10 inch tablet.
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Well, if you stick with the stock Nook software you only get access to the B&N appstore thing. I've heard it is pretty limited and the apps are more expensive than their Android Market and Amazon Appstore counterparts. I couldn't tell you much about it though. Within 5 minutes of my Nook charging up I installed the CM7 Gingerbread build on it and it works great! So I never played around with the 1.2 NC version of Android.
Also, the screen on the NC is LCD, not eInk, and while the resolution is nice, it still will cause more eye strain than eInk or paper. So you might not enjoy reading on it as much as you think! I find it comfortable though.
I still think you should stay away from the Galaxy Tab right now. It is sure to have some sales as soon as they release their new tablets (an 8.9" and a 10") which are faster, strong, meatier.
As for movies, I also don't know how the NC stock OS works with media. I'm using an app called MoboPlayer which seems to play just about every video format I have without an issue. Prior to that with the base CM7 (and I'm assuming stock NC) I could only play 1-2 formats...don't even remember which ones anymore. I hate converting video, so I found another solution right away.
I hope that helps, and honestly, for $200 (used) - $250 (new), you won't get better than the NC at this point in time.
There are 2 Nook Colors in my house.... One is rooted with original B&N 1.1 software, which gives you a stock E-reader with access to the Android Market. I find this setup to be a bit quirky for my liking (it's my wife's Nook). I've not tried playing video on this particular Nook, but the market & apps work fine. My Nook is rooted and running Cyanogen CM7.0.0 Gingerbread from internal memory and is overclocked to 1.2 GHz (from the standard Nook 800 MHz processor). It is very stable and video playback is excellent, however the Nook App from the Market is not as user friendly as the B & N version (not a big deal to me it still works for the amount of reading I do). I find the 7" size is perfect and I take my Nook EVERYWHERE with me. I get about 2 days between plug-ins with moderate use and it tethers perfectly with my phone. I don't believe I'd be so willing to carry it with me all of the time if it was any bigger though. I don't think I'd trade my Nook for anything shy of an Xoom which I believe is about $600 right now.
The wifi Galaxy Tab has the same GPU as the Nook Color, and the same CPU. Once you overclock the Nook Color CPU it can be equal or better.
It comes down to paying extra if you want built in cameras and a GPS.
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Yes you can. However if you have no use for Nook Kids or Nook magazines, you can just install the nook android app and read books from it. Or you can use a bunch of other pdf, epub, doc readers.
The only benefit to stock is those two features. So up to you.
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Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Yes. You can run CM7 from the sd card and even run a rooted BN version on the internal memory for the best of both worlds.
I agree with previous posts...
in addition, I could say that the only things I really miss on my Nook (more then gps and camera) are the aptik feedback (vibrations, specially on the keyboard) and a microphone for voice recognition... instead I think that both things are on Galaxy tab (but I'm not sure)...
more then galaxy, you can have on Nook Color a great devs community here at xda! other then save 100$ ...
tfotos said:
Thanks to all for the great info. If I wanted to..could I run CM 7 from the sd card like they do for Honeycomb, thus keeping my NC stock for when I do want to use it for reading? I read a lot and love the original stock interface for my reading and shopping. I am headed out the door now and I am coming back with either the Sammy Tab or the Nook. I'm leaning heavily towards the Nook though.
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Better yet, you can split the internal drive partition, and allow for dual booting partitions on internal. That way, you can run stock on one partition, and CM7 on the other and not have to worry about carrying around a bootable sd card all the time. You can boot from CM7 into stock and vice/vs in literally 45 seconds, pnce you take the 30 minutes to get it all set up.
Check me here: http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=51217&p=84794
Well, I thank all of you for your input. I literally spent an hour just messing with both the SGT and the NC. The SGT was a little faster and more responsive but I think that was due to the differences in the UI's themselves. There is only a 200 mhz difference in the processors. I did like the fact that the SGT had front and rear facing cameras, as well as the android market already rocking. BUT..I picked up the Nook Color for two big reasons. The first being that I am an avid book reader, and love the fact that you can boot from SD so I can still have the stock Nook reading experience as well as Gingerbread. The second reason is the modding community here on XDA; you guys pretty much talked me into it. So thanks for all the responses. I am a new Nook Color owner.
Am a happy user of a dual-booting Nook Color running CM 7.0.2 off sd-card, with little need for a camera.
However, being someone who appreciates how much lighter the Nook is compared to the iPad, I'd like to point out that the Nook is ~30% heavier than the Galaxy Tab.
The SGT was a lot thicker. I did not notice a huge difference in weight though.
I am surfing the forums from my NC right now and loving it. Can't wait to load up Gingerbread! Unfortunately I have to work in about an hour, so I will be reading all I can on flashing a new rom onto this. Thanks again guys and gals.
furius said:
I agree with previous posts...
in addition, I could say that the only things I really miss on my Nook (more then gps and camera) are the aptik feedback (vibrations, specially on the keyboard) and a microphone for voice recognition... instead I think that both things are on Galaxy tab (but I'm not sure)...
more then galaxy, you can have on Nook Color a great devs community here at xda! other then save 100$ ...
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Yeah...if the NC had a microphone it would be doubly awesome. That is a limiting thing that made me think twice, but for the price vs features, I still couldn't find better. I'm only OCed to the CM7 default 925Mhz and I haven't had any video playback issues. Watched a few episodes of the Big Bang Theory just yesterday.
Since the Nook's froyo update can you still over clock it? Also, how is battery life after you flash gingerbread or honeycomb?
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Since the Nook's froyo update can you still over clock it? Also, how is battery life after you flash gingerbread or honeycomb?
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I haven't run Honeycomb, but running CM7 from EMMC overclocked to 1.3 GHz, my battery life is about 2 days between charges with moderate use....facebook, email, streaming videos and reading the news. My wife's Nook with rooted stock firmware is definately easier on the power consumption, but not nearly as capable of a machine.
Running CM7 with 1.3 GHz kernel, I think the only missing thing is the camera for me...
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Running CM7 with 1.3 GHz kernel, I think the only missing thing is the camera for me...
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Just curious and truly not trying to be a smartass or anything, but why would you use a camera on a tablet? I mean cell phones are near dedicated digital camera quality and easier to use. I guess I just don't get the desire for a tablet with a camera unless its front facing for video calling...but honestly, if you called me on the phone and I was home you probably wouldn't want the camera turned on anyway...trust me on that one.
I would agree about the camera thing on a tablet. It seems like it would be awkward snapping photos with it. It may be cool for skyping maybe. Usually if I'm going to use the webcam I'm at home so the kids can talk to everyone too.
First off, I hope that everyone enjoys their NC in the way that they want to use it...it's a great eReader. For those that are a little adventurous, even if not very tech savy, all you have to do is research the internet and posts from other users and you too, can have a customized NC.
I picked up my NC in Feb and have never been disappointed with what it is capable of doing. It's like the eBook/tablet version of the HTC HD2 (IMHO).
Since Feb, I have learned how to root and load new ROM's in the emmc, set up dual-boot, side load .apk files, and edit the build.prop, systemui, system and framework files. Now mind you, I have never done any of this before so it has been a great learning experience and the NC has been the best device to work with.
My NC started life like most NC's did....with 1.0. From there it has handled the following changes (some of them more then once before the dual boot setup came out):
-Monster Root pack
-Auto nooter
-Sideloaded stock 1.1
-Ultimate Droid
-Honeycomb 3.0v4 from DeeperBlue
-CM7 nightlies from 16-32
-Nookiecomb
-Dual Boot setup
-CM 7.0
-Stock 1.2
-Phiremod 6.1
-Phiremod 6.2
-New Boot screen animation
-Several Dalingrin OC Kernel's (currently running 4/24/11 set at 1300mhz and benching 1124mhz).
-Several different themes, widgets, buttons and icons that are Honeycomb style
-Many apps: Netflix, Angry Birds Rio, Air Attack HD, Pocket Legends, Nova, Cordy, etc...
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I'm still using Phiremod 6.2 which has been very stable even with the 4/24/11 OC Kernel. I have stock 1.2 in the dual-boot partition but it is just for show...I never use it.
None of the above would have ever been without the developers and the users and fans of both Andriod and the NC. All I did was some research and followed instructions...some very basic and some kinda technical. During all of the tinkering, loading, unloading, unzipping and installing, it still worked great at being an e-reader even though I was turning into a tablet.
Okay, so it doesn't have a camera, 3g or 4g, and there is no video capture capability, but ya know what...my HD2 has the things it's missing (well not 4g but I could care less) and I can tether to it wirelessly.
Okay, so it doesn't have a 10" screen or a full keyboard but my Netbook has that and this I can stuff in the pocket of a jacket or backpack without it weighing me down so really...am I missing anything for the price? In my opinion...not really.
My NookCOLOR's evolution
I've tried every flavour of NC ROM out there (many several times). With the help of Titanium Backup PRO, I've only lost a de minimus amount of data in going from ROM-to-ROM.
Longest usages: CM7 and HCv3 - about 3-4 weeks each.
Current: CM7 beta 3.1 & .32 kernel (OC anyone? - LOL)
The key take away for me has been this: NC is an UNBREAKABLE Beast of a machine that has taken a beating from me, with all my restlessness to be on the bleeding edge. It has never given in or called 'no mas.' And it lives to tell the tale to all those ill-informed haters out there.
Whatever happens (or doesn't happen) on May 24th from B&N, I don't care. NC is my first true love.
Good thread m8!
Right now, my major concerns are the one failed power cable (replaced at the store) and wearing out the SD slot!
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Okay, so it doesn't have a 10" screen or a full keyboard but my Netbook has that and this I can stuff in the pocket of a jacket or backpack without it weighing me down so really...am I missing anything for the price?
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Yes it has one thing missing: more processing/GPU power.
If the NC had a Tegra 2 (or Tegra 3), I would be in heaven.
As it is now, that's the only thing limiting me playing some of those super-demanding 3D games (as well as general performance of the device).
Unfortunately, I'm looking at all these powerful devices coming out like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 that was given away at Google I/O and while it has amazing performance etc, I just don't want that big of a device. I *LOVE* the size of the Nook Color. I LOVE my B&N case that makes it look nondescript (people have confused it multiple times for a book haha -- I love that).
Nook Color-sized tablet with a Tegra 2 (or 3) for under $299-$399 and I am so there!
I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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That's a great point. You can play and learn without damaging the unit.
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I've tried every flavour of NC ROM out there (many several times). With the help of Titanium Backup PRO, I've only lost a de minimus amount of data in going from ROM-to-ROM.
Longest usages: CM7 and HCv3 - about 3-4 weeks each.
Current: CM7 beta 3.1 & .32 kernel (OC anyone? - LOL)
The key take away for me has been this: NC is an UNBREAKABLE Beast of a machine that has taken a beating from me, with all my restlessness to be on the bleeding edge. It has never given in or called 'no mas.' And it lives to tell the tale to all those ill-informed haters out there.
Whatever happens (or doesn't happen) on May 24th from B&N, I don't care. NC is my first true love.
Good thread m8!
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Yup...it's a Beast alright. I'm happy with the CM7/Phiremod but would change to HC if they can get more of the apps to work. I saw a post from someone that is working an SDK version but it's not a daily driver yet.
Unless B&N came out with a dual-core HC version of the NC then I'm happy with what I have. I doubt the news next week will even be close to that!
Thanks for the kudo.
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Yes it has one thing missing: more processing/GPU power.
If the NC had a Tegra 2 (or Tegra 3), I would be in heaven.
As it is now, that's the only thing limiting me playing some of those super-demanding 3D games (as well as general performance of the device).
Unfortunately, I'm looking at all these powerful devices coming out like the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 that was given away at Google I/O and while it has amazing performance etc, I just don't want that big of a device. I *LOVE* the size of the Nook Color. I LOVE my B&N case that makes it look nondescript (people have confused it multiple times for a book haha -- I love that).
Nook Color-sized tablet with a Tegra 2 (or 3) for under $299-$399 and I am so there!
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I agree....it would be great to have a Tegra 2 or 3 to speed it up.
The Galaxy, Xoom and the other 10" Tabs out there are just too big. I wouldn't trade the size of the NC for the increase performance...1100+mhz is pretty good for me. I know that T-mobile has an 8" G-tab that is running a dual-core setup with HC. That, if anything would be something to look at but I like the fact that the NC is not linked to my mobile account so they can't charge me more for using it! Freedom is a wonderful thing
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I agree 100% ! I was lucky enough to be able to get an Asus Transformer but find myself picking up my Nook everyday, I come in and read every post in the various rom threads, trying to learn, confident that I won't brick my Nook
I started with stock, then rooted stock, then Nookie Froyo, the CM7 with nightlies. Tonight I went with Phiremod 6.2. I'm totally delighted, this toy
has provided me with countless hours of learning opportunities.. now to go read up on netflix
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I was looking at the Asus Transformer as a replacement for my netbook. How does it work for ya?
Netflix works great and the build.prop edit was easy!
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I agree....it would be great to have a Tegra 2 or 3 to speed it up.
The Galaxy, Xoom and the other 10" Tabs out there are just too big. I wouldn't trade the size of the NC for the increase performance...1100+mhz is pretty good for me. I know that T-mobile has an 8" G-tab that is running a dual-core setup with HC. That, if anything would be something to look at but I like the fact that the NC is not linked to my mobile account so they can't charge me more for using it! Freedom is a wonderful thing
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Yup. All these manufacturers making 3G-only tablets without a Wi-Fi version are moronic.
Even the CEO of Nvidia realizes this: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/15/nvidia-ceo-disappointed-by-android-tablet-sales-blames-pricing/
At this point I would never consider a 3G tablet, unless I can use it via my already-existing T-Mobile data connection without having to pay more. As soon as all the manufacturers start being smart and offering Wi-Fi-Only tablets, Honeycomb sales will take off.
dkymala said:
I was looking at the Asus Transformer as a replacement for my netbook. How does it work for ya?
Netflix works great and the build.prop edit was easy!
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I'm loving my Asus TF but am still running it stock, I need to do a review of the unit for more main stream end users & want to wait till Asus releases the newest HC FOTA.
I watching Netflix on my Nook now, the build.prop edit didn't work for me but the hacked APK without device check worked beautifully!
I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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I'm very happy with the manualnooter setup for the new update. I like the stock feel and apps while having the ability to overclock, use the market, etc. After all, I do use it for reading. But is there nothing more to develop with this setup until B&N releases a new update? Maybe the ability to merge specific CM7 features with it to gain performance if nothing else?
Honestly, I'm not seeing any reason these days to switch back to CM7. The only thing currently on my wishlist is better flash browsing performance. But that's more of a hardware issue than anything from what I've read.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Thankfully, all of the current developer resources are being spent on more fruitful ventures like CM7. Sorry, but sticking with the old OS is silly, unless you specifically need the nook app features. CM7 has more hardware features enabled, a new OS, and a good classic Android experience (none of B&N's blah framework).
I think the best that stock users can hope for is some newer kernels every now and then, but ill be honest; i really hope he keeps up with CM7 first and foremost. Again, it is the better OS, and more deserving of the development time.
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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Bluetooth thats not very useful/practical. Decreased battery life. No stock B&N reader app (the market one doesn't have near the stock's polish).
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Sorry, but that is crazy. The bluetooth is incredibly useful. It allows me to use the Nook as a standalone nav device (and let me tell you, nav on a 7" rocks), or use my bluetooth speaker set. The battery life is fine for what it is. even overclocked, i have never run out of battery in a heavy days use. Charge at night, and i am good to go. I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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I'm not sure why this makes the ROOTED stock OS "silly." This is, of curse, coming from a non-developer/programmer. Standing plainly from a consumer perspective, I don't see the "blah" framework nor do i care since the performance seems to be nearly the same. I'm not getting into a Quadrant score argument here either .
That being said, honeycomb would be deserving of my attention....with the B&N reader. haha.
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I am talking as a consumer as well. I hated the changes B&N made to the Android look and feel. I understand it was done with the goal of making it an eReader, but given an alternative, i had no desire to keep it. Even benchmarks aside, Ginerbread has always felt faster (and has better app and memory management).
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*I realize this might read as being negative, but I promise you it's not. I'm just carrying a conversation of the pros/cons. I obviously appreciate the development, whichever way it goes, because it benefits everybody.*
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I have no problems with discussion.
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I understand the reader, which is why i gave it as the one exception.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Yeah, but the reader is a pretty big exception depending on what you use the Nook Color for. While I can't see myself going back to stock OS from CM7, I have to say that the B&N reader in the market blows in comparison to what comes stock on the NC. Most critically, opening a book with highlighting can take 1 1/2 to 2 minutes on the App, wheras it's instant on the stock reader.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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The reader is the only reason I can justify having a tablet. The Transformer is REALLY tempting but I can't really find a specific use aside from the "because I can," attitude.
Hate to say it, but I tend to agree with Madcat on this one. CM7 is a constantly growing project with lots of development support. Stock is... Well stock... You may never see another update for it and I don't feel it comes with anywhere near as much customization.
If you're truly happy with an "eReader" than updates are silly past Manualnooter. It's overclocked and you can read just fine. If you want a "tablet" that's why there's CM7.
That said, had I just wanted an eReader, I would have just bought a Nook or Kindle, battery life is far better for those, and you can easily read your books. Like Madcat said, it's very easy to use the Nook Color heavily (overclocked to 1.3ghz on .29 kernel/Debateable on .32 till PBD is fixed) for a whole day and charge at night. I don't think you're going to see much better even on Stock...
Bluetooth... Silly? LOL, the only thing missing from the Nook color is video out, and I would have a highly portable video game system for vacations, family get togethers, etc.. As Madcat also mentioned, bluetooth gps is pretty awesome on this screen, makes me regret recently buying a TomTom.
But you're also forgetting USB host support that will soon be baked in, allowing the nook to use external usb keybords, mouses, webcams(possibly?), video game controllers and hard drives!
Something goes wrong with CM7 you have a lot of dev support and other user support. Something breaks in Stock and you have the manual spoken to you in verbatim, with an Indian Accent and an American name.
My Nook Color journey will be complete and I'll finally be able to use this thing the way I truly want when (1) Movies play as well on my NC as they did on BN OS 1.1, and (2) the Nook App for Android opens books as quickly as the stock reader does.
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Not sure why it hasn't ended for video... Overclock it and use Moboplayer and you can easily watch videos. That or learn to encode videos with handbrake to the specs of the nook color for hardware acceleration.
As far as the Nook App goes... I don't really read books outside of pdfs, so correct me if I'm wrong... But couldn't you use other programs like Kindle? or Moon Reader or Aikido?
I'm a little confused about the Bluetooth usability comments. Has the extremely short range issue been resolved and I missed it?
Personally I did want a device that was mostly an eReader with added capability. A rooted/over-clocked Nook Color running Smart Taskbar, Button Savior and a few other goodies fits that bill. Sure the user interface is not Android but that wasn't my intent from the start.
If the Bluetooth range can be/has been resolved, that would be icing on the cake if it gets ported to the rooted NC.If Bluetooth range while using WiFi is still sub par, I wouldn't describe it as very useful even if I were running CM7.
Even though we're on XDA, not all of us are interested in constantly tinkering with our toys all the time. If that is your thing, I say more power to you but there is no call to ridicule others who are looking for something different. Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Hopefully we can rise above such rudeness and treat each other with common courtesy.
-Joe
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Who's being rude? Seems pretty civil so far.
I just nooted last night with the lastest MN and Dalingrin's 2.6.32 OC kernel and let me tell you I am as happy as I can be. I did consider CM7 or Phiremod which I think are great but then I realized I am using this baby more for ereading than anything else.
I do like the BN reader launcher and I want to enjoy it a little bit more, the OC brings new life to it (is laggy as hell out of the box). I have now installed around 50 apps including ADW EX, customized it to my taste and to be frank regarding UI I have it to the level CM7 or Phiremod is. I can't imagine it faster than it is (it actually beats my Cognition 4 Samsung Galaxy S in feel and in Quadrant 1800 vs 2300 for the nook).
So I might change later but my needs are fulfilled for now, same situation with my Galaxy S, until CM7 is stable over there I'm sticking with stable froyo Cog goodness.
All,
My mom's birthday was coming up and I was going to get her a tablet. She doesn't have a computer and still uses a flip phone just for reference how nontechnical she is.
With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
I know you are all going to say just put CM 10.1 on it and if I was going to use it for myself I would 100% do that however it always seems even at their best roms have some idiocracies of their own that we don't mind but to an average user would seem annoying.
What you guys think in stock form do you think someone would be ok with it if just using the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
For a non-tech person, running just plain stock with no mods should work good. It is fairly smooth and stable. Since she has never had a device like this before, she will never notice its shortcomings compared to other Android devices. Go for it!
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
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For a non-tech person, running just plain stock with no mods should work good. It is fairly smooth and stable. Since she has never had a device like this before, she will never notice its shortcomings compared to other Android devices. Go for it!
Sent from my Nook HD+ running CM10.1 on emmc.
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Thanks for the quick reply! I just didn't want to buy her a piece of junk. Someone bought my Great Aunt (she is 95!) some Walgreen's special android tablet. She was so excited when I went over her house for dinner to show it to me. It was running Ice Cream Sandwich and the thing lagged like I have never seen android before and I just felt bad and smiled and said "wow this is great".
While at least B&N is a reputable company I wanted something that is usable and wont frustrate her to and also cutting down on the inevitable tech support calls I will get.
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All,
My mom's birthday was coming up and I was going to get her a tablet. She doesn't have a computer and still uses a flip phone just for reference how nontechnical she is.
With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
I know you are all going to say just put CM 10.1 on it and if I was going to use it for myself I would 100% do that however it always seems even at their best roms have some idiocracies of their own that we don't mind but to an average user would seem annoying.
What you guys think in stock from do you think someone would is just going to sue the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
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Stock is a good choice. I just set one up for my wife to use and kept it stock. I figured the easier-to-use Nook interface would be more beneficial than the raw Android interface.
After the two automatic updates, you have all the apps, including Play Store, so just keep it at that. It's a very powerful and beautful tablet (especially for the price!).
Happy Birthday to your Mom!
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With new new price of the Nook HD+ it seems like a great buy however how is it in the stock form? I know there is going to be some lag but is it at least tolerable? I watched some YouTube video reviews and it seems when it was first released it was kind of bad but some of the newer ones looked much better.
What you guys think in stock form do you think someone would be ok with it if just using the tablet for basic browsing, reading, and netflix is this a good choice?
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I bought mine last week and am running it stock.
I have used numerous custom ROMs on numerous devices but I don't plan on putting any custom ROM on the Nook (for now at least).
My impressions:
First - The screen is fantastic!
I can't say enough about the screen; Full HD (1920x1280) resolution with a 9" size makes this a 'Retina' display (if compared to the iPad) - 257ppi (Nook HD+) vs. 264ppi (iPad).
Google Play Store is installed on first boot (system updates itself when turned on). With full store access, it is a full-featured Android tablet, not an e-reader.
The dual-core CPU is on the mid-range side; however it runs the tablet really well. Since the usage is normal browsing and/or reading there should be no problems with it.
I have downloaded Holo Launcher HD and use that as my interface. This gets rid of the B&N interface and allows resizing of the screen grid, widgets etc.
I use the stock reader to read my ePubs and actually prefer it over the ones available in the market.
Adobe handles PDFs and some comic books. With the high-resolution screen, I am able to view an entire page without zooming in.
The Zinio app allows me to download magazines for free from my public library account. These look great too.
There is some lag when viewing PDFs and magazines; the screen takes a second or two to focus when turning pages. Of course, it depends on what is being displayed too.
Angry birds works fine; haven't tested it with any resource-intensive games.
Skype runs all the time on my HD+ and have had multiple conversations with family around the world with no connection issues.
All this would be nothing if not for the price. the close-out price of $150 makes this an incredible value. You can buy 3 of these for the price of one iPad.
Do not hesitate.
Cheers.