[Q] Phone architecture - Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Is the samsung phone designed in a way that any contact with water ends up screwing it?

I doubt it since my wife dropped mine in the snow and left it there for about an hour. I found it dumped it in the rice jar and it was all good. Make sure you don't turn it on, and put it in a bowl of rice for about a day. Should be good, depending on the severity of water damage.

Dropped mine in snow too earlier this winter, wet snow. Didn't notice it, picked it up 5 minutes later.. Still on, still working. Dried it off, all is still well.

joelhon said:
I doubt it since my wife dropped mine in the snow and left it there for about an hour. I found it dumped it in the rice jar and it was all good. Make sure you don't turn it on, and put it in a bowl of rice for about a day. Should be good, depending on the severity of water damage.
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To speed the process you can put the phone and rice near a heater or tv. or some warmer than room temp area.

salt water is dangerous, but normal water less so.
my phone was in a fabric bag that was accidentally dipped into the ocean by my gf (which was only noticed hours later T_T, so it was left in a wet bag...). the bottom 3 buttons stopped working, but amazingly started working again after a couple of days (middle button needs a harder press though, probably because i stupidly and accidentally removed part of the contact point when trying to clean the salt off with a cotton swab).
So, I think the device is pretty tough!

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[HELP] droped my diamond in toilet

heya guys,
today I was talking on the phone and the phone droped from my hand into toilet. I bring it out fast and removed the battery. I dont know what should I do now,. any advice!!!! will Vodafone accept it for waranty!!!
Usually for any electronic device, take as many bits out as you can an stick it somewhere warm for a day or 2, should get some if not all functionality back, I've dropped many things in the bath and had them back working again. Don't, however, try and power it on until it's had chance to dry out. The touch screen may be an issue though...not dropped any touch device in some water yet to test if the same rules apply....
Stick it in a bowl of (uncooked) rice, it'll help pull out the water faster.
whatever u do dont use any thing like a fan or blow dryer, cause that will just cause the water to go deeper into the phone, use a vaccum to suck the water out as much as possable,then like he said place the phone in a bowl of un-cooked rice for a day or two, good luck.
A little combo of what has been said: put it in a bowl of uncooked rice right at the counter where it gets a lot of sun (battery should be out obviously). The BIGGEST mistake you can do is test it out after a day when you "think" all the water is out. If it isn't and you turn it on, it could cause further damage. I know you're urgent to find out if it works or not, but give it three days with three days in the above conditions. You'll also probably need a new battery.
mp.goldfinger
will Vodafone accept it for waranty!!! - - -- no
Vodafone will not accept phone Warranty
The diamond has a sensor for water
Thanx guys......but I did turn it on today Bcause I really need a number everything is alright but the screens is still fuzzy. I wont use it for at least a week and see what will happend.
i hope you flushed the toilet before you dropped it.. =) otherwise there will be some.. sh*t inside the phone and its not easy to clean
yeah, definitely make sure its in rice, and sunlight doesn't hurt..
And the moral of this story
Don't take your phone out of your pocket when in the toilet.
It's also unhygienic.
Take care of your phone and your phone will take care of you.
I went to a festival where I was so drunk that my diamond went out of my pocket when I got ready to sleep in my tent. And next morning I fond the phone in a little water pool inside the tent. But all the functions still work after I let the phone dry for 1 day.
Uncooked rice (as been mentioned before) is the best solution.
Take your time, as been said before, it will take a long time before all the moisture is out.
Nowadays the chips are very small, water easily lodges between the BGA balls, and it takes a while to evaporate.
just leave it for a week in the bowl of uncooked rice (preferably on a warm sunny place.)
Remove stylus, back cover & battery before sticking it into the bowl.
It's not under warranty: it has a moisture sensitive sticker which turns red when it was in contact with water.
Because it isn't under warranty, I personally would take the device apart, and dry the parts seperately, but that isn't very easy if you haven't done this sort of disassembling before.
Revert to this only if you have absolute confidence (and the service manual ).
Best of luck!
Please keep us posted.
EquinoXe
The problem is long term, the moisture will cause corrosion on the fine
PCB tracks etc. even after its dry, Best thing to do is pull the device appart as best u can get a tooth brush and a can of CRC CO CONTACT CLEANER
blue and white can @ any good electrical wholesaler. spray all the circtry and componets not the screen. and scrub with a tooth brush dont knock
off any small componets and then let dry for a day or 2 best bet is to use compressed air to blow off excess liquid spray from under the chips..
I am in electronic repair hope this helps
This happend to my LG 2 years ago ...into the LOO and i done the process above and its still working today the quicker u dry the water off initialy the better..
thanx guys.....unfortunately I have to buy a new LCD for my diamond as all water has gone inside the LCD and damaged the sheets inside the LCD. I have removed all parts and I am waiting for LCD delivery that cost me 40£
Aww, that is unfortunate..
Hope the LCD transplant will bring it back to life.
I had almost the same issue, but in my case, what I did was that I droped some alcohol inside the power button when I was trying to clean the screen with a tissue and some alcohol. Now the power button works in a faulty way and it tries to reboot every time I click on it. It's like the single click is always a double click on the power button. Any suggestion on how to fix it? This happened to me like 2 months ago and it is still like this.
djfuego said:
Don't take your phone out of your pocket when in the toilet.
It's also unhygienic.
Take care of your phone and your phone will take care of you.
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I dropped an iphone inside the toilet. It rang I went to pickup and it slipped out of my hands.
Apple replaced it though. They didnt even test if it was water damage. LoL
....and I might also suggest that you don't eat the rice later!
Aww thats pretty sick
Have done the same thing, about 2-3 years ago (luckly not with my HTC TD)
All the advice above is right about drying it out, but the main issue you'll have is impurities in the water which, once the water has evaporated will leave residue. The worst is actually salts. These will dislodge components in the phone, and usually it'll never be the same again. Often the water gets under BGA components that arent encapsulated, or between pins of components, and once the water evaoprates the salt cyrstals left behind expand into those gaps.
You can wash the pcb in distilled water, or certain alcohol solutions - depending on what residue there actually is. If you use normal water you'll just make it worse, because that has impurities in it too.
You could have done the same with the touchscreen, but you would need to dismantle it.
Sometimes you get lucky and it all works ok for months.. lets hope you're lucky

Water damage?

Hi, I dunked my phone in a sink a few days ago I tried to dry it out and it wouldn't boot, even with a new battery. My girlfriend suggested trying to heat it up a bit to help it dry out so I put it in the microwave for a few secs but all that did was make this ozone smell... Any ideas????
LOL k no I didn't stick it in the MW, but the gf did suggest that and I about died laughing. I can't get the phone to boot and have pretty much written it off unfortunately - is there anything I can do with it to be useful to the Dream/Android world? I can only assume it's been dissected entirely already.
FYI, when you get your phone wet, the worst thing to do is try to turn it on... next time, take the battery out, leave the back off, slide open the keyboard, and put it in a bag of instant white rice for a couple days. This is your best bet it will survive to live for a bit longer, but will eventually stop working down the road as connections rust...
You can also give it a dip in rubbing alcohol prior to putting it in the rice, this will force some of the water off/out of connections, and clean it a bit. And since rubbing alcohol isn't water, and doesn't effect electrical circuits like water does, no harm. Still do the bag of rice for a couple days trick, though.
And one last thing, it is never the battery! Never, never, never! The battery is water proof, and doesn't die from short circuits(which is what happens when the phone gets wet, and is what causes instant death)
Interesting, I'd always figured it was the battery that went. I used to lifeguard and once found a phone at the bottom of the lake, let it dry out for a week or so and it turned right on, but the battery was hosed.
I did take it as apart as I could and let it dry out, didn't do the white rice trick but I did blow some compressed air (real air from a compressor, not the canned stuff) through it briefly. Main reason I thought the battery was the culprit was I took a multimeter to it and there's exactly 0.0v across the +/- terminals (240kOhm, so probably not shorting). However, when plugged in the phone only provides 1.8v across the corresponding terminals, much too low to charge - any idea if the phone looks to see if the batt is installed before applying power to the battery?
pjcforpres said:
And one last thing, it is never the battery! Never, never, never! The battery is water proof, and doesn't die from short circuits(which is what happens when the phone gets wet, and is what causes instant death)
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Not true. My mom dropped her Samsung Omnia into a pool, then got a new phone through insurance. She tried putting the battery from the new phone into the old one, and it turned right on.
The battery in these things is more than just a battery. There is some control circuit on them, and shorting out the leads on the battery can fry the control circuit.

Dropped Nexus One in a Glass of water. Help

I know, this is just extremely stupid of me to drop a $550 phone in water. Happened 12 hours ago.
I removed battery right away. The screen was on when I removed the phone from the glass, pretty much right away.
Left the phone overnight in the rice bucket. Then turned it on in the morning.
The phone powers up and everything, so far seems to work, including the speaker and ear piece (thats the side that dropped in water).
Make phone call, I can hear and other person can hear. Wifi seems to work. Screen scrolling and such works.
Only thing I am noticing right now is that the Lock Button seems to have itr own brain. It autopresses and "the power off" screen keeps coming on by itself. Also, pressing the Lock Button does not lock the phone anymore. All it does is brings me to the Power Off screen.
Any help? Should I just remove the battery and leave it in the rice bucket for maybe a few more days?
Thanks.
P.S: I am glad the phone still works, and I will give a lot of credit to BESTSKINSEVER full phone cover.
Let dry it some more without the battery.
Reminds me of the time I dropped my sony w810 in a tall glass of beer, Took me a few seconds to realize and get it out. Worked perfectly after drying.
What is the benefit of a rice bucket? I never heard of that being used to dry electronic devices before. I know one of my friends jumped into a pool with his old LG phone. He let it dry out for 24-36 hours and worked fine after that. He basically let it air dry.
bloke226 said:
What is the benefit of a rice bucket? I never heard of that being used to dry electronic devices before. I know one of my friends jumped into a pool with his old LG phone. He let it dry out for 24-36 hours and worked fine after that. He basically let it air dry.
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Rice absorbs water, you see it in on the table in the salt in a restaurant to hold the salt dry so it won't stick togehter and won't come out
I am running the Rodriguez 2.2 Rom.
Anyways, all seems to work normal again. But, just to be on the safe side, I think I will leave it in the rice bucket a little more after I get home.
Btw, this morning, I was running the Signed FRF50 Modaco rom, then I did a full wipe and Nand Restore to the prior backup to Rod 2.2 Rom. No issues.
Wondering if the OLED screen on the Nexus One has anything to do with the screen "Still Fully Functional" compared to a normal LCD?
Thanks all for the response. Going to do just as you say.
Pics or it didn't happen!
Also, see if you can clean around the lock button with compressed air or blowing or something, having the battery cover removed. Might be a rice/dirt related problem.
my nexus one has been in the toilet, in the bath, and in a diet dr. pepper... bag of rice each time, and it's 100%, no humidity under the screen or anything..
ALL of the moisture stickers are triggered tho..
heh
Cubed Guru said:
I know, this is just extremely stupid of me to drop a $550 phone in water. Happened 12 hours ago.
I removed battery right away. The screen was on when I removed the phone from the glass, pretty much right away.
Left the phone overnight in the rice bucket. Then turned it on in the morning.
The phone powers up and everything, so far seems to work, including the speaker and ear piece (thats the side that dropped in water).
Make phone call, I can hear and other person can hear. Wifi seems to work. Screen scrolling and such works.
Only thing I am noticing right now is that the Lock Button seems to have itr own brain. It autopresses and "the power off" screen keeps coming on by itself. Also, pressing the Lock Button does not lock the phone anymore. All it does is brings me to the Power Off screen.
Any help? Should I just remove the battery and leave it in the rice bucket for maybe a few more days?
Thanks.
P.S: I am glad the phone still works, and I will give a lot of credit to BESTSKINSEVER full phone cover.
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Dropped my phone in a pool, its still working fine. If you have problems with your lock button, oh well. Install Cyanogen and use the trackball awake setting.
i hope you put the phone in a bag of rice immediately!! that greawtly increases your chance of a working device. i've had this happen many times where i save a phone using this method. the rice absorbs moisture very quickly.
jaapschaap said:
Rice absorbs water, you see it in on the table in the salt in a restaurant to hold the salt dry so it won't stick togehter and won't come out
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Silicia gel works even better. I keep a big bag of it in my safe to keep the moisture away from my gun.
BootsSiR said:
Silicia gel works even better. I keep a big bag of it in my safe to keep the moisture away from my gun.
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Submerging your phone in Silica gel is probably as inadvisable as in water, though
bcpk said:
Submerging your phone in Silica gel is probably as inadvisable as in water, though
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I'm certain he would mean beads, not necessarily in a fluid-form
I was thinking more of the powder sachets that you get in dried seaweed packets. Not sure exposing your phone to silicate beads is a great idea either, since it's a skin irritant.
The screen is pretty much sealed off. So i guess when water gets INTO your screen behind the glass you are pretty fecked..
put it in dry rice!! works 10/10 times for me.
Was on the phone after I had shoulder surgery with headset on. I had my N1 resting in my sling. Went to the sink to wash a cup, my N1 slid out and went straight to the drain were water ran on it for a few seconds. I left it in a sealed tupperware box with rice in it for 24hrs... Works like a charm
Cubed Guru said:
I know, this is just extremely stupid of me to drop a $550 phone in water. Happened 12 hours ago.
I removed battery right away. The screen was on when I removed the phone from the glass, pretty much right away.
Left the phone overnight in the rice bucket. Then turned it on in the morning.
The phone powers up and everything, so far seems to work, including the speaker and ear piece (thats the side that dropped in water).
Make phone call, I can hear and other person can hear. Wifi seems to work. Screen scrolling and such works.
Only thing I am noticing right now is that the Lock Button seems to have itr own brain. It autopresses and "the power off" screen keeps coming on by itself. Also, pressing the Lock Button does not lock the phone anymore. All it does is brings me to the Power Off screen.
Any help? Should I just remove the battery and leave it in the rice bucket for maybe a few more days?
Thanks.
P.S: I am glad the phone still works, and I will give a lot of credit to BESTSKINSEVER full phone cover.
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Was it a glass of tap water or some sort of bottled water (distilled/filtered)?
I ask because tap water has all sorts of chemicals and when it drys, they are left behind. Like your shower gets that white build up on the walls (aka hard-water buildup) unless your doing the hanky panky in the shower and not cleaning up your mess. Whatever electronic board is near the power button could have a bridge residue causing it to act strange.
My girlfriend left her G1 out and my 2 year old son dropped in the dogs water bowl. I dried it out and left it in rice as well for 24 hours. 24 hours later I powered it up and the phone would act weird. Random keys being pressed. Random menu pop ups. I took it all apart and noticed white residue on some of the circuit boards. I cleaned them with rubbing alcohol and a soft mini tooth brush it stopped the randomness but I still needed to replace the LCD screen. Beyond my control.
Anyways good luck.
Sindroid said:
The screen is pretty much sealed off. So i guess when water gets INTO your screen behind the glass you are pretty fecked..
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I can attest to this. I spilled coffee over the entire screen one morning. I swear I moved faster than the flash cuz I grabbed tissue and wiped it clean in like seconds. But everything was still fine and dandy after though. =)
You guys have such bad luck! :O Never dropped any electronic in any body of water lol. XD
Sistum Id said:
Was it a glass of tap water or some sort of bottled water (distilled/filtered)?
I ask because tap water has all sorts of chemicals and when it drys, they are left behind. Like your shower gets that white build up on the walls (aka hard-water buildup) unless your doing the hanky panky in the shower and not cleaning up your mess. Whatever electronic board is near the power button could have a bridge residue causing it to act strange.
My girlfriend left her G1 out and my 2 year old son dropped in the dogs water bowl. I dried it out and left it in rice as well for 24 hours. 24 hours later I powered it up and the phone would act weird. Random keys being pressed. Random menu pop ups. I took it all apart and noticed white residue on some of the circuit boards. I cleaned them with rubbing alcohol and a soft mini tooth brush it stopped the randomness but I still needed to replace the LCD screen. Beyond my control.
Anyways good luck.
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I highly doubt that he was drinking a glass of distiled water. Drinking distiled water is not good for someone to drink. So more than likely it was tap/drinking water.

phone fell in liquid, help

hey i have an htc dream that was just recently dropped into a cup of malibu. The phone turns on but it has entered safe mode. Well sometimes its in safe mode. i think the power key is messed up cuz it thinks im holding it down and keeps poppin up the phone options. i dont know what to do or if this can be fixed. please help
The best procedure for dealing with phones falling in liquid is to remove the battery immediately and let it dry completely.
What kills phones is not the liquid as such, but trying to use them while still wet, the current supplied by the battery causes what is known as 'dendritic growth' between the end caps and pins of the many surface mount components, and in the process can actually strip the metal off, leaving a greyish fuzzy deposit.
Plain water is actually not that bad, but sugary liquids, such as fruit juices, or carbonated drinks are the worst, followed by alcoholic drinks, beer, coffee, tea, etc.
If you do spill or drop you phone in anything other than water, you may still have problems, since the residues will be water soluble, and even condensation or high humidity may cause issues.
If it was my G1, ( I don't have one, yet...), then I would completely strip it, and wash everything except the lcd screen, in warm soapy water, then rinse in clean cold water, followed by at least 3 hours in an oven at 60-80 degrees Celcius to dry it off.
The above procedure may save your phone, but it's not a task for anyone not used to disassembling phones, be aware that it will void any warranty you have, and that it is possible to completely kill your phone this way, ( although leaving it with malibu in it will also do that eventually).
I actually read a post, on lifehacker.com I believe, that stated you could submerse the phone into a bowl filled with dry (uncooked) rice... Do not know if it works, but I intend on trying it if my phone decides to take a bath... Could not hurt...
L8r
Open it up, take out the battery and stick it in a bowl of dry rice for a day or so. Don't try to use it while it's wet.
Dry rice will certainly help remove any water, it may leave some water soluble residues, such as sugars etc, which will become 'active' when exposed to a humid atmosphere, the dry rice solution is perfect for water, but may not be as good for other liquids.

Phone fell into water! [SOLVED]

My phone just fell into water!
I immediately took it up and when drying it the phone responded to the touch screens but then it shut down,
i took out the battery and dried it from the outside and now im doing it from the inside with the hair-dryer,
Any suggestion of how to dry it more?
dun dry it with hairdryer cos u may melt the solder or anything inside the phone. put the phone in an airtight container with rice and wait patiently! otherwise, send it to 3rd party people to help u clean
leoon said:
My phone just fell into water!
I immediately took it up and when drying it the phone responded to the touch screens but then it shut down,
i took out the battery and dried it from the outside and now im doing it from the inside with the hair-dryer,
Any suggestion of how to dry it more?
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yes,
the most critical part was to take the battery out as soon as you got it off the water to prevent short circuit
don't rush it let it dry naturally at room temperature
hair dryer could damage the phone (but again we know the phone have survived the ove trick and hair dryer trick, so it should be okay)
take out all the parts, battery, cover, etc
if you are a technician open up the phone, and use compressed air spray cans, but watch out to not freeze the phone.
best results if you have an air compressor machine at home and use it to blow dry the phone
let it rest under the sun or a projector lamp for an hour and check to make sure there are no more water vapour trapped under the screen
once everything is confirmed dry, you can put it back together and hook up the battery, the phone should work back to normal now.
i hear throwing it in a bag of rice really sucks the moisture out.
As told, first step is ALWAYS to remove the battery and let it rest and dry for a period.
You can put it in a bag of rice (it absorbs humidity) and keep yourself from "testing the device" to ofter... let it rest for (at least) an 8 hours under warm and dry temperature in a bag of rice.
i put in a jar rice, and put the phone between the rice with the jar open,
I will keep it like that for 24 hours and hope that at the end it powers on. Is 24 hours enough? do i have to close the jar or keep it open?
Thanks for the support, I really need it right now
aww poor fella... i nearly dropped my phone in a toilet bowel once... imagine that....
Aw that sucks mate. As other have said putting it in a bowl of rice is ment to be a good idea as the rice absorbs all the moisture.
diehard2222 said:
aww poor fella... i nearly dropped my phone in a toilet bowel once... imagine that....
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Me too, landed on the floor right next to the toilet. So close
OP, hope your phone survives. Good luck.
Maddmatt said:
Me too, landed on the floor right next to the toilet. So close
OP, hope your phone survives. Good luck.
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haha and i thought i was the only one Close one indeed.
Hadok3n said:
haha and i thought i was the only one Close one indeed.
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My old Omnia2 fell down (drawn) in a toilet and survided using the methods above. Give it time to dry... don't rush to test
heh, mine fell into a bathtub full of water... took me about 5 seconds to get to it, was getting the baby out of the tub.
No water inside or in the battery compartment, dried off the outside and went about my day, didn't hurt it one bit.
الحمدلله 24 hours later i tried to power it on after putting it in rice, and it worked! its like nothing happened, everything works!الحمدلله
Thanks of the suggestions and the nice replies guys .
diehard2222 said:
aww poor fella... i nearly dropped my phone in a toilet bowel once... imagine that....
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same here, i had a close incident like that before with my old WM phone
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Help
Hey everyone, pls help me, I fell my phone in water about 30 minutes. Then I remove the battery and etc. Then dry it in electric fan for half hour, then I open it, it can't be open , so I try to open , and it works I thought my problem solve , then I charge it for 1 hour, when I press some button, the screen get rotated , and it turn off , then it's starts flashing lights and I can see the batterysign. Someone help me;(
Imee10 said:
Hey everyone, pls help me, I fell my phone in water about 30 minutes. Then I remove the battery and etc. Then dry it in electric fan for half hour, then I open it, it can't be open , so I try to open , and it works I thought my problem solve , then I charge it for 1 hour, when I press some button, the screen get rotated , and it turn off , then it's starts flashing lights and I can see the batterysign. Someone help me;(
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You need to leave it off for a long time (days). Take it apart as much as possible, put it in a bowl of uncooked rice and leave it.
Given what you have said your phone could be dead already.
beardedwonder said:
You need to leave it off for a long time (days). Take it apart as much as possible, put it in a bowl of uncooked rice and leave it.
Given what you have said your phone could be dead already.
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This. although there is a small chance it is salvagable.
I would leave it in rice and also if it's sunny, leave it in the sun.
Before you do this though, dismantle it as much as possible. Even if you have to unscrew some bits, it may help (careful not to do too much that you can't put it back together).
Also, resist the temptation and wait at least 2 days before trying to turn it on again.
AllGamer said:
yes,
the most critical part was to take the battery out as soon as you got it off the water to prevent short circuit
don't rush it let it dry naturally at room temperature
hair dryer could damage the phone (but again we know the phone have survived the ove trick and hair dryer trick, so it should be okay)
take out all the parts, battery, cover, etc
if you are a technician open up the phone, and use compressed air spray cans, but watch out to not freeze the phone.
best results if you have an air compressor machine at home and use it to blow dry the phone
let it rest under the sun or a projector lamp for an hour and check to make sure there are no more water vapour trapped under the screen
once everything is confirmed dry, you can put it back together and hook up the battery, the phone should work back to normal now.
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It will very probably still get corroded inside and will lose its functionality. Cleaning the parts with distilled water is the best way to fight this.
angky94 said:
dun dry it with hairdryer cos u may melt the solder or anything inside the phone. put the phone in an airtight container with rice and wait patiently! otherwise, send it to 3rd party people to help u clean
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Drying with hairdryer melting Samsung solders? Does your hairdryer give more than 300 Celcius?
beardedwonder said:
You need to leave it off for a long time (days). Take it apart as much as possible, put it in a bowl of uncooked rice and leave it.
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Hah! I've saved a few devices this way (phone, audio recorder) and given this advice several times with success each time, but I *never* thought to explain to people that it should be *uncooked* rice. That makes for an amazing image of someone screwing up instructions.
beardedwonder said:
Given what you have said your phone could be dead already.
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most likely, yes.

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