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Slow 3G/HSDPA speeds in SoCal?

Sorry if this has been talked about before but im in SoCal (Inland Empire) and ive never gotten above 800kbit/sec on either strictly 3G or HSDPA on my AT&T Tilt. Ive also tested it in Northern California in the Bay Area and same thing..even with full bars. Its happened on any rom ive ever tried and every radio, nothing changes the results. Anyone with similar speeds or with advice to why im not achieving over 1Mbit/sec.

pazookie said:
Sorry if this has been talked about before but im in SoCal (Inland Empire) and ive never gotten above 800kbit/sec on either strictly 3G or HSDPA on my AT&T Tilt. Ive also tested it in Northern California in the Bay Area and same thing..even with full bars. Its happened on any rom ive ever tried and every radio, nothing changes the results. Anyone with similar speeds or with advice to why im not achieving over 1Mbit/sec.
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It's because AT&T doesn't have the backhaul speeds. For example, just because you WiFi connected to your router at G or N speeds doesn't make your cable/dsl download any faster.
And now there's iPhones to suck up whatever there was before.

but att is already supporting 7.6mbps right?

Download speeds can be affected by the radio version. Over here on the East Coast, I regularly get speeds over 1mbps. The newer Neon radios seem to be the fastest when it come to tethering.

ya im running a neon radio (1.58 .27.15) ..I notice a lot of people report their speeds from tethering..I run my speed tests through opera9 on dslreports ( the larger 400k/1mb file version) could this be affecting my results?

Running a speedtest from your phone's browser will always produce a lower result than tethering to a PC by USB.
When tethered, I get around 1.2-1.3mbps on average. But on my phone itself, I rarely break 900kbps. My guess is that the phone cannot physically handle data packets coming in much faster than that. (When writing to internal storage that is)

pazookie said:
ya im running a neon radio (1.58 .27.15) ..I notice a lot of people report their speeds from tethering..I run my speed tests through opera9 on dslreports ( the larger 400k/1mb file version) could this be affecting my results?
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I can't find this NEON radio you're refering to. Don't you mean v1.58.25.17 instead of .27.15?

Main reason: congestion. Socal, inside major city limits has been pretty congested, and in some places, really bad. It just depends on where you are. Att is working on 850mhz overlays, starting on the outskirts and working in, as reports suggest. Just hold on.
Best i've pulled in my indiana crap town is 1.3mbps, mspeed average on 1mb test. This was during off peak times, try testing at 1am on a weekday. We have a low pop density compared to large cities so that helps.
Att isn't 7.2mbit yet, last we heard though, it was in their labs, and intended on deploying 20mbit (roughly) next year, said De La Vega.
Just to clear your device of any fault, run the test on wifi, should do roughly 1.8mbit.

The fastest I got using HSDPA from dslreports.com/mspeed 1mb is 1335kbps. With WiFi I got bewteen 1.7-1.8mbits

UK T-Mobile Web N Walk Basic Customers Only

This thread is only for users that are UK T-Mobile customers that have only basic Web N Walk. In fact it might only apply to customers that have moved over to Web N Walk on or after January 2008
I have noticed that my download speeds seem to be teetering at the lower end of 3G, slightly better than GPRS, but no way near HSDPA speeds. The test is located at the following site, if you are unable to use Opera try Pocket Internet Explorer.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
I have repeated this test at various points throughout the day and with various signal strengths and have never been able to download faster than 190kbit/sec.
I have been speaking to T-Mobile regarding this issue and they state that HSDPA is only available to Web N Walk Plus customers and not the basic Web N Walk customers. However, colleagues of mine are on the basic Web N Walk and are able to download at HSDPA speeds.
T-Mobile are unable to provide written proof stating that HSDPA is unavailable on basic Web N Walk, the terms and conditions do not state this, and the 1GB fair use policy should ensure no one abuses the additional speed.
Furthermore, the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSDPA enabled phone. I therefore conclude that either I have been miss-sold my contract / phone or T-Mobile have incorrectly disabled HSDPA.
What I would like to do is see if others using the MDA Compact IV are in the same situation, so could you go and do the above test if you are a UK T-Mobile customer on basic Web N Walk and report back on what speed you get.

My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.

cojones said:
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?

Whoever told you this about HSDPA at certain tariffs on T-Mobile is talking tripe I'm afraid. HSDPA is standard on T-Mobile 3G across the UK now, as is HSUPA UK wide and in London area faster HSDPA.
I'm sure you know that the figures are published at best and you will rarely hit what they publish.
In my area I get a four bar signal but at best I get just over 1mb connection with it usually being around the 300-600 mark. Uploads however have seriously improved since the network upgrade a few weeks ago.

I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?

nokmond said:
I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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Right this is FACT and it IS on terms and conditions, I read them.
The reason I aborted my pre-order of MDA Compact IV was (amongst others) the fact that the standard web n'walk IS 3G speed only at up to 384kbps.
When I found out I flipped and cancelled and rang Orange retentions and got such a blinding deal I stayed with Orange ! Orange = HSDPA any package.
T-Mobile customers in the UK who have been on web n walk basic for ages may be under old agreement when it was HSDPA. You have to be on wnw PLUS now to get HSDPA for new customers.

dont get it, whats the deal? Why not pay another 5 or so quid and have HSDPA?
Afterall, why do you need HSDPA if your just browsing on your phone???? The only real reason you need HSDPA is if your using your phone as a modem which basic package doesn't allow you to do anyway.
This just makes sense.... so, whats the problem? Its not like its 10's of pounds of diference, its the price of 2 pints in a pub?

HSDPA is useful for web browsing simply because the pages load up up so much quicker.
I use mine to do a bit of browsing on the train after leaving work, and the difference when the coverage drops off to standard GPRS along the journey is very noticeable.
To say that you don't need hsdpa for browsing is like saying we could all make do with 56k modems for browsing at home. Yeah sure we could. but it would be painfully slow.
I am on T-mob, but have the HTC version. When I first got it there was no hsdpa on my account. when the phone detected a hsdpa signal, I could not connect at all, so I phoned 150 and asked the guy to make sure that hsdpa was enabled for my account. He said it should be but he would check. When he checked the system it wasn't set up, but he enabled it there and then, and it was available pretty much straight away
I am on flext 20 + w 'n' w basic
I'll try the dslreports thing tomorrow, but pages do load up much quicker when I have a H signal indicated

GPRS is commonly known as 2.5g
3g is "3g"
HSDPA is commonly known as 3.5g
Speed limits for each
btw: i'm fairly sure the phone supports HSUPA with a quick registry setting. Remember also that HSDPA is a BURST technology, not a sustained/constant technology.
Just because you dont have a "H" in your bar, doesn't mean your getting slow speeds - 3g IS quick enough for webbrowsing. You get normal 3g connection on Web'n'Walk basic.
So my question still stands, why do you NEED 3.5G HSDPA speeds for webbrowsing when 3G (Normal) IS way fast enough? If I was T-mobile I would use the same method for discouraging people using the phone as a modem when they are not supposed to - mind you 3g is still waaaaay fast enough for most stuff.
The fact you couldn't connect when your phone shows a H in the bar is odd... glad you got that sorted out.

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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
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I was on the basic package, I have not requested to move up neither have I been told that I have been moved up. The potential difference here is that I was on web n walk before Jan this year.
Good luck in trying to sort this out. i've decided to go (back) to Vodafone at the end of my contract in Nov because T mobile network coverage is so shocking.

did a few speed tests on mine this morning:
on the train
GPRS - 37 kbps
HSDPA - 498 - 1514 kbps
at my desk
HSDPA - 778 - 1231 kbps
was on web n walk basic for two years before upgrading to the diamond

and your trying to tell us 37k/s isn't fast enough to render webpages? If your experiencing slow webpages with this speed, its not your link at fault.
edit: at its at least 3x faster than you could dream of on a 56k modem!

Everyone who has responded so far has been on the Web N Walk package before Jan 2008. I would like to hear from someone who has only recently moved over to Web N Walk.
@ Monty Burns
1. There are better was to ensure that Web N Walk basic customers do not use their phone as a modem, such as a fair use policy, which they have. Why restrict how fast someone gets to that 1GB limit!
2. Yes back in the day 56K seemed fast, but you got to understand that the bar is constantly moving, back them most pages where static HTML, these days we have java, video streaming, audio streaming, not to mention bandwidth intensive apps such as Google maps.
I do notice the difference between what is effectively 3G speeds and WiFi. It’s frustrating and T-Mobile should see common sense and allow everyone to use HSDPA, it doesn’t cost them any extra to do so.
@ ns73
Please point me in the direction of the terms and conditions you read, as I cannot find this anywhere!

yes your correct, the bar is higher but .. why do you need 3.5g to do it? 3g is way fast enough and will happily fill up your phone very quickly!
I suspect there is some form of limitation to HSDPA connection/s which is why, if i was t-mobile, i would limit it to those paying for the full package. As your only supposed to be browsing, you just don't need 3.5 when 3 is still massive overkill.

I remember few years ago when HSDPA just came out I rung up T-mobile and they had to tick the box for HSDPA enabled. I believe you can also do this yourself by logging into the T-mobile website and managing your account

You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, and while it may not have been stated when you connected, it was also not stated that you WOULD get HSDPA. If you connected to WNW over a year or so ago you may have slipped the net, and still have access at the higher speed.
As far as "ticking a box" is concerned, I don't believe this option is still present on their' systems, and even when it was it was simply for legacy purposes and you should have never have had it ticked in the first place.
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.

OK! said:
You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, .....
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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Exactly. Cough up and get the larger packet (about 2 beers a month!!!? If you can't spare that, you have more serious concerns), live with no HSDPA (why do you need it anyway when your not allowed to use it as a modem) or go to another telcom.

well i've just taken out my compact IV on tmobile, flext 30 with W+W my signal at home is shocking, but at work connects over HSDPA and returns between 992 and 1324 so far, just with standard and new line taken out on tuesday

@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
There is a limitation to the number of connections per cell station. The cell station has algorithms built in to automatically share the data between HSDPA, 3G, GPRS, and GSM. However, this ratio is adjusted every few milliseconds on the fly and would only be a factor if a large number of people are downloading at the same time.
@ lx_t,
This option is no longer available on the T-Mobile website.
@ OK!
Your right WNW basic does not state that it includes HSDPA, but neither does any of the other WNW tariffs, so in that case as its not explicitly stated one way or the other, it is implicitly implied. Furthermore the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSPDA phone, it does not state that this is subject to being on a particular WNW tariff.

imranbashir_uk said:
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
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Thats not the link. you cannot notice the diference between 3g and 3.5g on a web browser on your phone... unless the web page has tens of links to some seriously high megapixel pictures of course but then, the phone would cave in anyway.
Check out the link i posted above for the speeds. 3g is like using a ferrari to race a push bike when it comes to speeds needed for web pages. HSDPA is designed for "modem" use and heavy downloading and for web browsing is like using a Veyron.... if you think 3g isn't good enough, your never going to be happy with web browsing on a phone.
I've spent more than £5 pounds worth of my time trying to explain this and thats all it would cost you a month to get a little more priority on the t-mobile network and a higher fup. Why are you so cheap? Why should you get maximum speeds on cheapest package? its FIVE pounds.
Now, where's the nearest wall, i think it might be less painfull head butting it than this thread ....

[Q] vodafone uk 3g issues?

Having slight issues with my note on vodafone Uk, whenever I try to browse the internet and the 3g sign in status bar shows weboages don't load at all, when the H is showing bam they load really fast, and even when the E is showing they load but slowly, which is to be expected with edge. So why wouldn't it be loading when on 3g? Have I got some setting wrong on the phone?

HSDPA is faster than 3G.
3G (3rd Generation of Telecommunication Standards) is a standard of cellular connectivity which allows for speeds of up to 384 Kb/s downstream and 64 Kb/s upstream. 3G HSDPA is a 3G enhancement. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a new mobile data protocol and is sometimes referred to as a 3.5G. Theoretically, HSDPA speeds can reach 3.6 Mbps downstream and 348 Kbps upstream. But the purpose of putting both on a smartphones is to make sure that your phone get internet access even when the other one is not available or have no access

possibly an issue with vodafone, have you contacted them to see if there are any issues?
as for the above post, totally irrelevant and hsdpa wil lgo alot faster than 3.6

Richy99 said:
possibly an issue with vodafone, have you contacted them to see if there are any issues?
as for the above post, totally irrelevant and hsdpa wil lgo alot faster than 3.6
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Yeah they seems to think my sim card needed resetting, but hasn't made a difference, still does it. Hopefully someone has the same issues with a work around searched the net for hours, with not effect. The other weird thing is if its stuck on 3g and not loading I usually disable data on power button menu then er enable and H usually comes back and it works again, even if I turn it to GSM only in network setting, so Edge is only possible it works fine also just takes ages to load any pages which is annoying!

how long you had the sim card? it might be a provisioning issue with it

You think? Well I've had it a few years now like, 3 I think.

Vodafone SIM card works fine in my Note (SIM free from Germany).
I'd suggest try your SIM card with a different phone and try a different SIM card in your Note if possible to see if the fault is with your SIM card or Note.
P.S. Are you using any custom ROM? Could be a problem there.

No I'm on stock rom kka, yeah sure its something today with network or sim card, just rang them to get a new similar. Hopefully that will sort it out.
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Fixed my issue, turns out it was happening a lot with people who have the galaxy s2, needed to enter code *#301279#, and release 5 hspa only, then disable fast dormancy mode on the phone, now I'm getting fast 3g everywhere :-D

It does say 3g and not just g?

if youre in the uk and only getting edge or gprs it may not be the phones fault.
I had a similar issue, we all assume we can get full 3G everywhere, not necessarily.
To solve this you need to buy the Vodafone sure signal box, it basically plugs into your home broadband router and then transmits full 3g around your house to whatever numbers you register on the box, including dongles.
The whole family can use it as you can register 32 numbers into it.
Cost about £50 new, i have a BNIB never been used or taken out of the box new one here, up for sale as it happens for £25.
Anyone interested should PM me....

Or you could just use wifi as you are at home anyway.

As I said sorted the issue it had something to do with the phone locking into search for hspa, and not reverting back to 3g when there wasn't any hspa signal. Apparently its a problem Samsung are working on. But the little fix of only scanning for 3g works for now, and I did a bandwidth test on hepatitis, and 3g, and 3g was actually faster. So not bothered.

Great find bud u should start another thread explaining the steps in a guide cause this is great info for Vodafone UK users
Sent from the HD2's closest replacement, the Samsung Galaxy Note

Improve latency: Tmo prepaid 3g

Is this true?
From: http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ne-tmobile-prepaid-you-need-data-roaming.html
6tr6tr wrote
I was having issues with poor latency/delays and slow connection speeds with TMobile. I called them and they said even though prepaid 4G doesn't have data roaming, if you have data roaming turned off on your phone, it won't get full 4G speeds. I didn't believe them but decided to try it. My speed went from 3mbps to 13mbps! I then had a friend (on an HTC One S) do the same (he also had data roaming off) and he saw the same boost in speed!
** IMPORTANT: for this to work properly with the network, you need to reset the APN to default after turning on data roaming.
(They assured me that we won't get charged for data roaming because the account doesn't have that enabled for other providers)
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I tried it, but didn't notice any difference. Why don't you give it a try?

Just did it... not sure if placebo or not but I seem to be getting a *tad* bit better signal in my office (which is usually a blackhole)

yeah.... placebo.
If anything, resetting the APN would impact things as traffic for various APNs gets handled differently and may result in lower pings or higher speeds.
For the most part though, the only thing that affects pings on a handset that you have any control over is the radio firmware being used or the handset reception due to how you hold the phone. The rest is regulated by the load on the cell (tower) you're attached to, backhaul supporting the tower, and the APN you're using which directs traffic appropriately through the network.

converge12 said:
Just did it... not sure if placebo or not but I seem to be getting a *tad* bit better signal in my office (which is usually a blackhole)
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yeah.... placebo.
If anything, resetting the APN would impact things as traffic for various APNs gets handled differently.
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You got handed a sugar pill..
Data roaming, affects "data"... It wouldn't make the difference to your signal bars. Signal fluctuates way too much to even compare, even standing in the "same" spot, holding the phone with the same hand facing the same direction...

Thanks for posting this. Normally my speeds were 0-1.xMbps but after trying this I've gotten 6.87Mbps down on my 1st test.

clockcycle said:
You got handed a sugar pill..
Data roaming, affects "data"... It wouldn't make the difference to your signal bars. Signal fluctuates way too much to even compare, even standing in the "same" spot, holding the phone with the same hand facing the same direction...
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getting H instead of 3g affects data, no?

Data speeds

Anyone test there data speeds on this phone? WiFi is super fast but my data isn't like it was on my iPhone. Been pulling like 5mbps on T-Mobile normally average 30-100 depending on time and location. I also don't see LTE on the phone just 4G. Im gonna swap back to iPhone and run test and then this phone to see what's up. I don't see anything one setting a out LTE either.

chipcamel said:
Anyone test there data speeds on this phone? WiFi is super fast but my data isn't like it was on my iPhone. Been pulling like 5mbps on T-Mobile normally average 30-100 depending on time and location. I also don't see LTE on the phone just 4G. Im gonna swap back to iPhone and run test and then this phone to see what's up. I don't see anything one setting a out LTE either.
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iPhone X: LTE 55.7 download 11.1 upload
X2 Pro: 4G/LTE? 27.6 download 11 upload
Are there missing bands that T-Mobile would require that I'm missing?