Currently, I have a Captivate, bone stock with the exception of root and oclf, recently upgraded to 2.2 (att download kb1 version). After running quadrant, it scored 1885. After trying a few other combos of modems/kernels, i still have not surpassed, or even came close to the previous number. Is this normal, or have somehow been gifted with a SuperCaptivate?
That's pretty high for a stock ROM, even with a modded kernel. 1400-1500 is more the norm. There's a Quadrant thread on the 1st page you can look at to see what others are getting.
perfectly normal, not to many users running the stock kernels with oclf anymore. froyo doesnt see the boost that 2.1 got with a ext loopback, there are some changes to the way things are mounted. the quadrant scores with oclf are exagerated either way but 2.1 is more exagerated. i was getting scores near 2600 with my cpu and gpu overclocked and undervolted with oclf. that's better than an atrix but it's not a reliable number.
i dont feel that composite scores of any kind are ever real numbers. you really want to compare individual parts of the system and use judement to see if it is what you really need.
if you dont want to flash a rom i understand that, too much backup and restore and you always loose data like call history and old text messages. sometimes contacts if they are not correctly synced to the gogle account. but it is definately a good idea to try a kernel, there is a kb1 kernel available from supercerio that will not have any ill effects to the phone that i know of, it has oc/uv and voodoo enhancements. your may get lower quadrant scores but i assure you that it is not a reliable measure of performance.
I have thought about different rom. But i did benchmark froyo w/out root and oclf right after 2.2 upgrade,andit scored about 900. Thouhgt about trying the torch rom that i saw here, but i would personally like to use oclf instead of voodoo lagfix.
On different note, does anyone know if KB1 modem is compatible with I9000 kernel?
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Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
Don't think so....
But JPO is speedy when fresh.
Lag is still there, less noticable, but there, you can feel it especially during parallel download and installing apps or when you have a running background updating/sync process.
Voodoo is mature enough anyway, infact, I kinda do miss Voodoo's brightness and color fix on 2.2.
I'm on Jpa,don't feel the NEEd for lagfix...i gets' hung for a while on installation and other small slowdowns,but it's really good overall (noticeably better than cooked jpm/jp6,at least)
Nope, no reason to dump them yet...
Media scanning still takes a while in stock, while with a lagfix it's about 2 seconds. So the phone is in a fully usable state much sooner after booting or when adding/deleting media on the phone.
I also used DolphonHD browser as a test.
On a fresh boot on stock firmware, it takes about 6 seconds to start up.
With a lagfix (I used Advanced EXT4 with one of those custom kernels) it starts up within 2 seconds on fresh boot.
Samsung needs to dump this RFS crap, it's a horrible joke.
There is definitely still lag and random pauses in JPO, no question about that. Although it may be a slight improvement over previous Froyo betas, you still need an EXT4 lag-fix to eliminate the lag and pauses that exist in stock JPO.
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Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
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No - user experience (especially with RSS reader) is still much better with OCLF (10 times faster).
Maybe, if I didn't use RSS reader which requires fast IO I'd live without OCLF...
Oops! I voted no, but wanted to vote yes!
I use JPO and I experienced lag without apps installed.. So clean it lagged. I didn't clear the sdcard before the lag (I think it's useless), but I did reset to factory defaults.
Just like all the Eclair releases, Froyo certainly seems to be getting better with every "release". As already mentioned a few posts earlier, JPA certainly zooms when fresh.
That said, it really is too soon to get rid of lagfixes. When Froyo matures to the level of, say JM9, then would be an appropriate time for such a thought. Till then, hello Voodoo....
The best test of lag would be NewsRob imo. Can someone with a non lagfixed JPO test it out? I can already confirm it flies on JPO + Voodoo.
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I dont have any real lagging issues on my phone but I can see that moving around the inbox is definitly faster with a lagfix, the rest of the phone operations are pretty smooth woth Doc's JPO and the modded kernel.
Compared to ther lesser speced phone the SGS is pretty slow so yes it does need a lag fix at certain functions
Hi,
straight to the point...i want froyo for my galaxy s and a very good and stable lagfix with it but I don't know what ROM and lag fix to choose from and am very "noobiesh" at these kind of things.
Plus:i got voodoo lag fix and its great and I like the color and sharpness tweaks that comes with it so can I use voodoo lagfix with froyo??
So please can anyone tell me what to do exactly without any complicated mumbo jumbo??? DX
Get JPO (the latest froyo) from samfirmware.com, and flash it using ODIN. (use vol down+home+power button when turning on your phone to get it into download mode).
In my opinion, no lag patch is really needed. Lag patches can cause long term maintenance issues anyway still (and you need to take more precautions, such as DEFINITELY keeping a copy of /efs if you use a lag patch). If you are consistently getting excessive lag in late roms, it might be because certain programs you have installed are causing problems (also consider trying launcherpro, or a stock launcher).
If you want a bit more speed, wait for Tayatuma to update his superlite rom, to use JPO rather than JPM, or wait for another AOSP ROM such as Cyanogenmod (AOSP is closer to the experience google wants us to have, rather than Samsung).
Ensure you use a i9000 rom too, and don't accidentally use a i9008 or other model one. Good luck, and remember, this is just my opinion. Also, don't get too caught up in Quadrant. It isn't accurate, and some people here SERIOUSLY (I kid you not), are selecting roms based on a difference of quadrant speed of only a few points (less than 5%).
Hi,
I've been recently playing some Dungeon Defenders on my SGS and well it is still sort of choppy when under stress. What bugs me is the fact that some people (with the same phone) claim to be having a clear lag-less game experience.
I've tried to switch ROMs and went from 2.1 stock eclair, trough 2.2.1 stock EU to latest Darkys 8.0 (with voodoo enabled). I have to say that there was some improvment, but it still has a long way to go.
Now, as Im looking for better gaming experience, I would like to ask if there is better ROM (not that I wouldn't be satisfied with this one though ) gaming-wise.
I also noticed, when running Quadrant Advanced (now getting 1350-1650 which is wierd. I mean 300 difference between two runs ??) that my CPU was, at the time, running at 400MHz with minimum frequency set as low as 100MHz, which seems ridiculous to me. I mean I know that CPU frequency changes in accordance with how much stress are we putting on it, but isn't it possible that even under stress my CPU runs "slower" ?
I would love to somehow improve my phone but as I already have voodoo in place, the only way to do so would be to overclock CPU right ? Or am I missing some other way to improve my phone ?
If Im not, than how safe is the overclocking ?
what would you suggest ?
Thanks everyone for your answers !!!
btw, Im sorry if I misplaced this message !
Uhmm, I can't advice you about the lag. I don't find it choppy playing Dungeon Defenders. Everything is smooth sailing. But it is safe to overclock. There might or might not be stability issues with your phone. Every phone varies. Like mine, I could get max OC to 1.3GHZ and then the phone freezes but I have friends who can OC to 1.6GHZ.
I don't recommend you to overclock though, I have some freezes in game (gameloft games especially) when OCed to 1.2GHZ.
Hi,
I'm still running the oc'd 2.2 Overcome fw with oclf and from the moment it booted I was just like Woohooo, that's pretty fast right there!
At 1,4 GHz games ran like a charm and flash vids also. Response time to input is absolutely amazing in comparison to stock rom.
So for those who already flashed to 2.3 on their tabs:
Is it worth it to update to GB?
And lets keep things like power management or battery indication aside and please focus on useful features like the lit buttons while the screen is on eg.
I got everything ready and off to go update, but I somehow love the tab right now and don't wanna mess up this high perf thingy and am afraid, that I'll not be able to reproduce this condition.
Thanks in advance.
K here you go.
The 4 "hard" button lights never turn off. Drives me nutts.
I ran quadrant and got a score of a lowely 940. I am used to getting over 2400 at 1.4 ghz. Plus the test ran wierd. The graphics were really low end, makes me think our graphics card is not being utilized correctly as of now with current update.
Linpack gave me a 11. As opposed to the 19, 20 i got at 1.4
I dont think we have voodoo lagfix yet. I stream alot of video, and I need this fix!
Had to contact Gameloft to get fresh links for all my games as the old ones were for 2.2. That sucked explaining to them I have a "official" firmware that is not out yet.
Had to reinstal uninstal flash several times to get it to work correctly. Finaly had to settle on 10.1. Web pages indicated I didnt have flash.
In my opinion, I would wait untill you can overclock it. Or atleast a cm7. I am gonna stay on it to mess around with some games that need 2.3.3
I was excited about the prospect of an actual google voice. As it needs gingerbread to work correctly, but that is a bust so far cause our phone number cannot do incomming calls. So basically it works the same as on 2.2.1. You can use it in conjuntion with groove ip to call out and get voicemails, but no incomming calls. Google chat is a bust also. No video chat for us yet.
Also, I havent seen any conformation that we can go back to 2.2 or 2.2.3
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Well, after some time on GB I don't wanna go back =)
Only the OC/UV kernel is a bit tricky.
Hi I'm on a JPY+voodoo. Pretty happy but one complaint about lag. Even with voodoo on when I open several apps and then go back to contacts, or SMS, it takes several seconds to open them (black window). I guess it is just the time spent to empty and refill RAM with new app. My question is: Is there the stock SGS GB free from this lag/delay? JVS, JVQ or JVR I mean... Are there CM7/MIUI free from it? Just to make sure that it is worthwile to change now without waiting a more stable version...
It's a bit riskier, but removing journal from ext4 made my phone a lot faster (on jvr and now jvs). booting the phone and loading apps especially seems faster.
Secondly, talon and galaxian are the best kernels. Personally i prefer talon for voodoo color and also it seems to run smoother with the conservative governor.
Another thing you can do is to increase the minimum frequency of your phone (ie. I did mine from 100 to 200mhz using tegrak overclock). this means faster scaling due to less steps (especially on conservative governor).
Finally, bigmem kernels may also help your problem by giving you more free ram. I use the latest talon bigmem kernel (gives u an extra 10-15mb ram). You do sacrifice HD video recording but I think its worth it if u dont do much video recording (you can always temporarily flash back another kernel on the odd occasion that you need it).
Oh and one more thing. Delete all the apps you don't use from your phone (especially system/apps)
EDIT: seems i went a bit off topic. I have heard that CM7 is faster than stock, but it seems to sacrifice battery life a little (not sure if this is still the case). And I think all stock roms have a little bit of lag, at least after a while. I think JVR/JVS are significantly better than the previous gingerbread roms (i have tried a few), but rom/kernel customisation is still important for the best user experience.
oswade said:
It's a bit riskier, but removing journal from ext4 made my phone a lot faster (on jvr and now jvs). booting the phone and loading apps especially seems faster.
Secondly, talon and galaxian are the best kernels. Personally i prefer talon for voodoo color and also it seems to run smoother with the conservative governor.
Another thing you can do is to increase the minimum frequency of your phone (ie. I did mine from 100 to 200mhz using tegrak overclock). this means faster scaling due to less steps (especially on conservative governor).
Finally, bigmem kernels may also help your problem by giving you more free ram. I use the latest talon bigmem kernel (gives u an extra 10-15mb ram). You do sacrifice HD video recording but I think its worth it if u dont do much video recording (you can always temporarily flash back another kernel on the odd occasion that you need it).
Oh and one more thing. Delete all the apps you don't use from your phone (especially system/apps)
EDIT: seems i went a bit off topic. I have heard that CM7 is faster than stock, but it seems to sacrifice battery life a little (not sure if this is still the case). And I think all stock roms have a little bit of lag, at least after a while. I think JVR/JVS are significantly better than the previous gingerbread roms (i have tried a few), but rom/kernel customisation is still important for the best user experience.
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It's really weird how you said "stock roms lag". As far as I know, no other ROM besides samsung and iOS has smooth web browser scrolling