Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
Don't think so....
But JPO is speedy when fresh.
Lag is still there, less noticable, but there, you can feel it especially during parallel download and installing apps or when you have a running background updating/sync process.
Voodoo is mature enough anyway, infact, I kinda do miss Voodoo's brightness and color fix on 2.2.
I'm on Jpa,don't feel the NEEd for lagfix...i gets' hung for a while on installation and other small slowdowns,but it's really good overall (noticeably better than cooked jpm/jp6,at least)
Nope, no reason to dump them yet...
Media scanning still takes a while in stock, while with a lagfix it's about 2 seconds. So the phone is in a fully usable state much sooner after booting or when adding/deleting media on the phone.
I also used DolphonHD browser as a test.
On a fresh boot on stock firmware, it takes about 6 seconds to start up.
With a lagfix (I used Advanced EXT4 with one of those custom kernels) it starts up within 2 seconds on fresh boot.
Samsung needs to dump this RFS crap, it's a horrible joke.
There is definitely still lag and random pauses in JPO, no question about that. Although it may be a slight improvement over previous Froyo betas, you still need an EXT4 lag-fix to eliminate the lag and pauses that exist in stock JPO.
AnnihilatorSC said:
Has the time come to finally scrap all the lagfixes with the release of JPA/JPO?
Please, no Quadrant or similar synthetic arguments against. The "real-feel" of the phone is the only relevant benchmark.
So, in your experience in the operation of the new firmwares, comparing them in a native vs. lagfixed state, is it time to dispense with the lagfixes?
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No - user experience (especially with RSS reader) is still much better with OCLF (10 times faster).
Maybe, if I didn't use RSS reader which requires fast IO I'd live without OCLF...
Oops! I voted no, but wanted to vote yes!
I use JPO and I experienced lag without apps installed.. So clean it lagged. I didn't clear the sdcard before the lag (I think it's useless), but I did reset to factory defaults.
Just like all the Eclair releases, Froyo certainly seems to be getting better with every "release". As already mentioned a few posts earlier, JPA certainly zooms when fresh.
That said, it really is too soon to get rid of lagfixes. When Froyo matures to the level of, say JM9, then would be an appropriate time for such a thought. Till then, hello Voodoo....
The best test of lag would be NewsRob imo. Can someone with a non lagfixed JPO test it out? I can already confirm it flies on JPO + Voodoo.
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I dont have any real lagging issues on my phone but I can see that moving around the inbox is definitly faster with a lagfix, the rest of the phone operations are pretty smooth woth Doc's JPO and the modded kernel.
Compared to ther lesser speced phone the SGS is pretty slow so yes it does need a lag fix at certain functions
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So i went into the at&t store to get a replacement for my captivate because of the wake lag and web browsing lag. They wouldnt give it to me because i bought it on ebay without any contract. So basically i have to work with the ebay seller so i can get my money back or if the seller can get me a replacment.
Anyways i was messing around the with display captivate they have there and it was having the exact same problems as my cappy. A little wake lag that took a second for the brightness to adjust and for the live wallpaper to move. And still was laggy when scrolling through full websites. I played with the iphone 4 next to it and web browsing was smooth like butter!
So before i rant on to the ebay seller about this. Has everyone with a captivate had this problem when they first got this phone with the stock rom JF6? Because if yes i tried every lag fix and flashing SRE both OC and not OC, flashing stock with odin in between. none of that helped me.
With SRE and tuyatamas lag fix using EXT4 it was smooth like butter opening and closing apps and scrolling through home screens. But i still have that annoying wake lag which takes a second for brightness to adjust and for the live wallpaper to start moving, and laggy scrolling with most full websites. i come from an iphone 3gs so i was expecting SMOOTHNESS everywhere.
So does this phone not have as smooth scrolling as the iphones? Im desperate for help here.
Check out the development section for the lag fix.
Basically there's no solution to your problem since judging by your post you tried unhelpful's kernel and that's the best xda has to offer for the captivate in terms of wake up lag.
An alternative to that would be to try the I9000 roms but i wouldn't recommend it as its even more tedious than the regular captivate stuff.
Flash the vibrant hybrid by eugene. No wake up lag and I am on jh3 with unhelpfuls kernel.
Sweet life
sorry for the noob questions but what do you guys mean by unhelpfuls kernel? And does it matter if im on JF6 or JH3? what are those differences? i know im still new to this stuff
scratch the first part of my last post out. i just educated myself about kernels now. im still a little confused about JF6 and JH3 ect. ect.
you can't compare the iphone to the captivate unless you level the playing field. Disable widgets and live wallpaper to start with - then test both. Also make sure no background apps are running on either device.
Although Android does very good memory management, it could be that you have a crap load of stuff running - this will effect the phone's responsiveness. The store phone most definitely has a bunch of stuff running - no one ever maintains them.
Hi,
straight to the point...i want froyo for my galaxy s and a very good and stable lagfix with it but I don't know what ROM and lag fix to choose from and am very "noobiesh" at these kind of things.
Plus:i got voodoo lag fix and its great and I like the color and sharpness tweaks that comes with it so can I use voodoo lagfix with froyo??
So please can anyone tell me what to do exactly without any complicated mumbo jumbo??? DX
Get JPO (the latest froyo) from samfirmware.com, and flash it using ODIN. (use vol down+home+power button when turning on your phone to get it into download mode).
In my opinion, no lag patch is really needed. Lag patches can cause long term maintenance issues anyway still (and you need to take more precautions, such as DEFINITELY keeping a copy of /efs if you use a lag patch). If you are consistently getting excessive lag in late roms, it might be because certain programs you have installed are causing problems (also consider trying launcherpro, or a stock launcher).
If you want a bit more speed, wait for Tayatuma to update his superlite rom, to use JPO rather than JPM, or wait for another AOSP ROM such as Cyanogenmod (AOSP is closer to the experience google wants us to have, rather than Samsung).
Ensure you use a i9000 rom too, and don't accidentally use a i9008 or other model one. Good luck, and remember, this is just my opinion. Also, don't get too caught up in Quadrant. It isn't accurate, and some people here SERIOUSLY (I kid you not), are selecting roms based on a difference of quadrant speed of only a few points (less than 5%).
heya fellas
question here is with all the lagfixes/kernals
is everybody happy with how fast/reliable the phone is ?
im mainly a tester and was happy since i wont keep a single setup for more than a few days, and since my latest setup,in my situation all it takes is a week and the lag is back ....
wether i was OC'd or not the lag is haunting my phone T_T
current setup is darkys v7 rom and SO 4_5_3 kernal with 1.4mhz set on boot
1 week of normal use with 80 apps installed and lag ranges from 1-8 secs wether it was moving between homescreens/app pages in menu/call log/msgs
last lagfix i was completly happy with was longback when i was on voodoo and OCLF on top of it. i remember the phone was seriously blazing fast like it had everything done before i asked for it, and that setup only lasted a month or so before froyo was out.
i sound like an old hag complaining but seriously who out there is very pleased with a certain setup? anything yall recommend?
I'm on Darky's 7.0 JPY (Have been on Darky's ROMs since 5.1) without a lagfix and the phone is snappy fast, as are all apps I use (about 4 pages of them). Haven't seen it lag in weeks.
Do you face a lag after you launch up multiple apps? Or generally from boot onwards itself?
from boot i know its the media scanner taking over 100% of the cpu
clearing ram clears most of the lag but i notice the crazy lag whenever i have any amount of available ram of 80mb and less
mainly ram jumps between 130mb and 60mb from what i see
got a few widgets to monitor ram/cpu/temp/battery/ and the control widget with 3g/wifi/bluetooth/data/gps/brightness/media scan/reboot and a black background
trying to maintain a small amount of widgets to keep free ram available, pretty much doing my best
I use Autokiller Memory Optimizer with an Aggressive preset, it helps keep multi-task going smooth (Usually have 130~ MB free with it running). Have you tried that application?
I'm on Darky's 7.0 JPY (Have been on Darky's ROMs since 5.1) without a lagfix and the phone is snappy fast, as are all apps I use (about 4 pages of them). Haven't seen it lag in weeks.
Likewise no lag at all .
jje
Most lag comes from bad app.
The only on i can't get lagfree is twlauncher. So i use golauncher instead. I don't se any lag.
I also use ext2 file system.
This with my kernel.
Im happy with this lagfix and i don't think it will be laggy over time.
**Using my own JPX kernel, z4mod, 345MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
Whilst it never really bothered me in 2.2, in JPX/2.2.1, honestly, I'm not running any hacks. I seriously haven't seen any remotely long stalls anymore. Also, all OS's stall, it isn't only because of "bad apps"; it can also happen when swapping and such. We really don't know enough about the lag problem to say where most lag comes from.
Since JPX also introduces over the air updates (one major flaw with earlier firmwares), if the GPS turns out to perform like fitness-grade GPS (I still need to test that), I'll be extremely happy. But no longer entirely dissatisfied. Taking GPS out of the equation though, I am now happier than I've ever been. If Samsung frees up more RAM, I might even start overlook the GPS problems.
After I test GPS, I'll know for sure.
(PS, I don't use any lag optimisations, because I don't feel they solve the problem properly).
Did you read what this tread was.about?
I can also say with lagfix the phone is better then stock. The latest firmware did alot for the lag, but it still things to do.
**Using my own JPX kernel, z4mod, 345MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
thanx for all the suggestions fellas
just reverted back to 2.2 (missing darkys already T_T)
will test it out n check how things go
first things first gps surely seems worse than darkys rom for some reason (could it be the modem file ?)
I've had a 16gb Samsung Galaxy S on Three in the UK since they launched last year, and it's the only Android phone I've used.
It's pretty laggy, but since I'd read a lot about Galaxy lag online, I assumed this was to be expected.
However, I had to help a colleague with a problem on their HTC Wildfire today (a lower spec phone, as far as I know), and was amazed how much more responsive than my Galaxy S.
It didn't seem to show any of the laggy, hanging-ey behaviour I experience. I have more apps installed than the Wildfire, but I'm quite careful not to install anything that's going to run at startup or cause problems (mostlly just games, no widgets, etc.)
As an example, if I turn the phone on clean, wait for everything to be loaded and ready (media scanning to finish, etc.) then poke the "Market" button, it takes 28 seconds for it to be loaded and responsive. Close that, poke the Facebook button, over 20 seconds until I'm shown the news feed. Sometimes when the phone rings on my desk, I literally won't be able to get it to respond enough to answer the call before the caller hangs up. If I try to switch from program to program, I end up getting quite a lot of frustrating 20-30s hangs and pauses. This is all on a decent wifi connection, so the problem isn't data related.
The question is - how laggy should a Galaxy S be? Would it work better if I added an SD card (with the 16gb phone memory, I didn't see the need)? Is it worth installing a lagfix under Froyo (I tried one back on 2.1, but didn't notice a huge amount of difference)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I think its sometimes very busy rebuilding it's wifi connection. Or some other process.
Am not sure.
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I didn't see any speed difference with SD card IN/OUT so i don't think you will have faster phone by inserting it (SD card).
Why don't you try a reset and see if that works? Also are you on eclair or froyo because that would make a world of difference if you upgraded
I just got my sgs from bell Canada last Tuesday. It has all stock with launcherpro and a few Widgets. So far (knock wood) its been a big step up over my HTC dream. I experience maybe 10 seconds of startup lag and then for the rest of the day its awesome. My firmware version is the newest one bell offers (jl2 Frito). What android version are you running?
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That's exactly my experience. The only way to solve it is with a good lagfix and/or flashing JPY firmware
This will get almost instant loading of apps and only minor lags when switching apps. It's still slow when scrolling icons and such... my previous phone, iphoe 3g, is still faster than this crap-phone
Cheers,
Soulbrighter
My Galaxy S was laggy as hell brand new out of the box. Sometimes it would hang for what seemed like 10 seconds. I didn't like the Samsung launcher anyway, so I did my homework, made sure I could get into 3-button download mode, and then rooted, wiped and flashed a custom Froyo ROM. I've tried a few ROMs since then and have landed on Insanity with EXT4 lagfix.
Now my Galaxy S is _awesome_ ... I don't even bother overclocking it, everything is smooth.
try a task killer and set it up to auto kill when screens goes off done a few tests with it ,one with no killer and one with and the one with was faster and had no lag fix running too go to the market and get quadrant standard try it for yourself and see
What's the current firmware you're using ? I suggest flashing to JPY and testing it out.
Update to JPY!
If not possible, install a lagfix on your current ROM/kernel.
The amount of lag you describe is terrible, I have never seen it that bad...
I don't think the lag should be that bad, I did experience some occassional lag back on eclair, but never exceeded 5-10 seconds. Usually after loading whatever that app was once, it'd be okay on the next open too.
Since I've upgraded to JPY i see 1-2 second lag extremely rarely.
Maybe you can get a task manager and see if anything is hogging memory?
Thanks for all the responses. The firmware is FROYO.XXJPO, so I'll definitely try flashing to JPY and will report back! Thanks so much for the tip!
Hi!
I posted this afternoon because I wanted to get more from my sgs and i still had doubts.
I finally made it to put Darky's room 9.3 in my sgs with no problems. Fact is that... i don't know, maybe its me, but i think i'm experiencing little bit of lag. Last quadrant i did was around 1110.
Any idea if this is normal?
Thank you in advance
Quadrants don't mean anything. Some people get crazy numbers and still feel like they have lag. Don't rely on the numbers for determining if you have lag or not. If your apps are opening quickly, as in you don't just sit there looking at a black screen, then you have relatively no lag. If you still feel you have lag, then apply a lagfix
Personally speaking, darkyy's rom has almost no lag at all in opinion, but to each his own
I get loads of lag when I turn on lagfix in darky rom with the option: convert system