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2.2 OS changes with cached apps and multitasking?

Anyone who uses system panel knows its the best task manager and the ONLY one that shows the device true multitasking. It's shows 3 categories, active running apps, cached inactive apps, and system processes. All 3 of this group shows up in 2.1. But in 2.2 froyo there is no longer cached apps group. It skips from active apps to system processes.
I asked the developer and he responded with the following:
http://androidforums.com/android-ap...eople-who-hate-task-killers-2.html#post882019
To Roger: sorry for delay in getting back to you as well, as far as I can tell the N1 with Froyo does not have any inactive/cached apps. I'm running the leaked Froyo version as well. On the other test phones (an Incredible, a Droid, and a G1) as well as in (non-Froyo) emulators I do see inactive processes as before.
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Does anyone know what this means exactly? Has android 2.2 been changed where in no longer pre-loads apps? My observations on froyo using system panel shows that my running app list is now much larger than eclare with no cached apps at all, ever. Has Google changed this and removed cached apps? Or perhaps view are just now hiding it somehow so task managers cannot see this info?
If true then system panel would need an update. But that response from the developer seemed to not indicate that.

bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?

RogerPodacter said:
bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?
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this may only be an issue with the pre-released Froyo.

harolds said:
this may only be an issue with the pre-released Froyo.
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perhaps, but that seems like a pretty significant change to the OS. i'm wondering if they either changed the way the OS works completely, or if its just a bug that is being fixed for the final release of 2.2.

The 2.2 leak has a lot of missing code in it.
alot.

JCopernicus said:
The 2.2 leak has a lot of missing code in it.
alot.
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i hope your right

RogerPodacter said:
bump. so not ONE person noticed that froyo doesnt cache apps anymore?
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I don't have an N1 so can't answer your question, but I did notice that the developer you spoke to, TESTED FROYO ON A G1!!!

Seems logical to me to keep out until ready for final release testing, because you can test a lot faster if things aren't being swapped out and in.

cigar3tte said:
I don't have an N1 so can't answer your question, but I did notice that the developer you spoke to, TESTED FROYO ON A G1!!!
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He's probably not a developer working on Android, probably just a application dev. Why would he be running a leaked version if he worked at Google.. Also, I think maybe he just doesn't know how to properly form a legible sentence since it would seem he meant other phones he has, not specifically that they are running 2.2, though I could see how you might think that reading what he said.
I would just hold off on questions like this until a final release is out, it's pretty pointless to worry about until Google drops an official OTA update.

Ok so now that the official froyo is released, and the multitasking STILL works differently, where do we find out what and how things have changed? Cached apps no longer exist, instead all apps show as running in system panel. I'm surprised there's not more mention of this since it seems a fundamental change in OS has occurred. Anyone have any insight?

On the technical side I can't speak, but for the end user experience, Froyo's multitasking has been the same or better than before. I experience less "jittery" lag and it seems like more programs are not unloaded (ie: run immediately, no load time at all) vs before if you used say Facebook, then browser, K9 mail, few other things, then back to Facebook it was ~1s to reload.. Maybe Facebook is a bad example here, as it seems to ALWAYS load fast, but you get the gist..
It of course could be the extra ram available now... 512M total vs the 256M before?

Well, if they did significantly change something, it was really for the better. Things just fly now switching back and forth.
Of course, I was only stock before and only had access to half the memory. So it could just be keeping a lot more of my apps in memory now that it has access to the full 512mb.

khaytsus said:
On the technical side I can't speak, but for the end user experience, Froyo's multitasking has been the same or better than before. I experience less "jittery" lag and it seems like more programs are not unloaded (ie: run immediately, no load time at all) vs before if you used say Facebook, then browser, K9 mail, few other things, then back to Facebook it was ~1s to reload.. Maybe Facebook is a bad example here, as it seems to ALWAYS load fast, but you get the gist..
It of course could be the extra ram available now... 512M total vs the 256M before?
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Well using system panel shows that in froyo there is an entire group of missing app now, inactive cached apps, are just flat out gone in froyo. It doesn't seem to be related to the new available RAM in 2.2.

I noticed this on first day on 2.2
I think the possible reason is 2.2 support more than 256M RAM. So the 16MB free RAM threshold is hard to reach now.That's way we didn't see Inactive process. maybe we can try run alot of apps backgroud untill reach 16MB free RAM threshold. Then use systemplane to check if there is any inactive process.

luojs said:
I noticed this on first day on 2.2
I think the possible reason is 2.2 support more than 256M RAM. So the 16MB free RAM threshold is hard to reach now.That's way we didn't see Inactive process. maybe we can try run alot of apps backgroud untill reach 16MB free RAM threshold. Then use systemplane to check if there is any inactive process.
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I've already tried that, gone down to 14 mb but they do not appear. They are completely gone from the OS, and system panel developer already confirmed that they are gone from 2.2 and It's just the way the OS is now. Check the link I posted earlier in the thread. What we need to find out is WHAT and WHY Google made these changes. Why isn't anything mentioned in the changelog etc?

Are you just interested in knowing why? Or is it affecting you in a bad way? Whatever reason they have, it has improved performance a lot. I just assume they are categorizing them differently now. Because the apps 'running' in the background still aren't really running, they are just waiting in memory in case you need them again.

Clarkster said:
Are you just interested in knowing why? Or is it affecting you in a bad way? Whatever reason they have, it has improved performance a lot. I just assume they are categorizing them differently now. Because the apps 'running' in the background still aren't really running, they are just waiting in memory in case you need them again.
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I'm just wondering why, and what exactly the changed. My phone runs great with no issues.
Previously system panel showed 3 groups of apps, the first was running apps, and these are the ones actually using some type of resources typically. While the second group was inactive, "frozen" not using any resources.
But now in 2.2 everything goes into the first group. And the OS no longer starts a bunch of apps pre loaded upon boot up. It only loads apps you use now. So still I'm wondering if now these 2 groups are combined into the one active list, can we tell the difference? Or is there no difference anymore, and only running apps are now shown?

Ok, so the frozen category would be ones that were FCed to release their memory. Which could kind of imply that the OS would remember their state.
Android doesn't remember the state for you if it is no longer in memory. It is up to the app to save its state when it is told it is going into the inactive state.
So it could be that the frozen category wasn't actually anything special, just apps that were forced out of memory, and now they don't even mention them anymore.
You said that you couldn't force anything out of the list though, right? If you can't get anything automatically removed form the list, I would say they just combined the two categories.

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Ok, so the frozen category would be ones that were FCed to release their memory. Which could kind of imply that the OS would remember their state.
Android doesn't remember the state for you if it is no longer in memory. It is up to the app to save its state when it is told it is going into the inactive state.
So it could be that the frozen category wasn't actually anything special, just apps that were forced out of memory, and now they don't even mention them anymore.
You said that you couldn't force anything out of the list though, right? If you can't get anything automatically removed form the list, I would say they just combined the two categories.
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Another thing that changed is that its not possible to kill most apps. Browser and some others can be killed. But for. If most part if you kill something it just stays there running, or immediately pops back up.
But yes the frozen apps list is just plain gone. It was a useless list anyway. But I wonder what exactly they changed and what it means and how it works.

[Q] Switching from CM5.0.7 to CM 6.0 RC2?

hi, I heard a lot of good stuff about CM 6.0, so I was wondering how I should begin to upgrade. I have bricked a g1 before, so I am afraid to do any more flashing without specific directions.
I have two micro sd cards,a 1gb(class2) and 8gb(class6). The 8gb card has apps from apps2sd and an ext partition, so I was wondering if I can just flash the rom with the 1 gb card and just put in the 8 gb card with no problems? I do not really mind if my call logs/texts do not get backed up as long as my apps work.
Info:
firmware: 2.1-update1
baseband: 62.50sc.20.17h_2.22.23.02
kernel: 2.6.33.4-cyanogen mod [email protected]toxygene #1
mod version: cyanogen-5.0.7-DS
Thank you. hope to hear from you guys soon.

Ties0 said:
hi, I heard a lot of good stuff about CM 6.0, so I was wondering how I should begin to upgrade. I have bricked a g1 before, so I am afraid to do any more flashing without specific directions.
I have two micro sd cards,a 1gb(class2) and 8gb(class6). The 8gb card has apps from apps2sd and an ext partition, so I was wondering if I can just flash the rom with the 1 gb card and just put in the 8 gb card with no problems? I do not really mind if my call logs/texts do not get backed up as long as my apps work.
Info:
firmware: 2.1-update1
baseband: 62.50sc.20.17h_2.22.23.02
kernel: 2.6.33.4-cyanogen mod [email protected] #1
mod version: cyanogen-5.0.7-DS
Thank you. hope to hear from you guys soon.
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I just flashed CM 6.0.0 DS RC2 from the site referenced:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/26/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-the-htc-g1-dream/
Very good step by step and you can download ROMS from there also.
As far as your SD cards I'd stick with the 8GB. (1) It's faster, (2) according to instructions you have to re-format so you have a swap partition-96MB, ext2-512MB and the rest fat32. Not sure that flashing with the 1GB and then switching to the 8GB would work--anyone ?
The ROM is very cool but I've noticed a couple glitches, maybe it's just me.
Market takes forever on 3G or wifi. It works, just no where near as fast as it seemed to on 1.6.
Now this problem is making me try other ROMS.
Example: I have Weather and toggle widgets app that I loaded and then place the widget so I have my nice clock but seems every time I reboot, for whatever reason, the widget won't reload, and if I try to re-install from the widget list it's not there. The app is still on the phone, but no access to the widget.
This is not the only app this has happened with. Possibly older apps with newer ROM issue. I checked the compatibility button in settings but no change.
I'm far from an expert, just a heads up.
Other than these couple things, killer ROM.
Technically these aren't tagged as stable ROMS but I'm having fun playing with all of them.
Good Luck

crz6662 said:
I just flashed CM 6.0.0 DS RC2 from the site referenced:
http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/26/how-to-load-a-custom-rom-on-the-htc-g1-dream/
Very good step by step and you can download ROMS from there also.
As far as your SD cards I'd stick with the 8GB. (1) It's faster, (2) according to instructions you have to re-format so you have a swap partition-96MB, ext2-512MB and the rest fat32. Not sure that flashing with the 1GB and then switching to the 8GB would work--anyone ?
The ROM is very cool but I've noticed a couple glitches, maybe it's just me.
Market takes forever on 3G or wifi. It works, just no where near as fast as it seemed to on 1.6.
Now this problem is making me try other ROMS.
Example: I have Weather and toggle widgets app that I loaded and then place the widget so I have my nice clock but seems every time I reboot, for whatever reason, the widget won't reload, and if I try to re-install from the widget list it's not there. The app is still on the phone, but no access to the widget.
This is not the only app this has happened with. Possibly older apps with newer ROM issue. I checked the compatibility button in settings but no change.
I'm far from an expert, just a heads up.
Other than these couple things, killer ROM.
Technically these aren't tagged as stable ROMS but I'm having fun playing with all of them.
Good Luck
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Thanks for the reply, I already went ahead and flashed CM 6.0RC2, the only problem I noticed is the lag when going to home from an app (camera, facebook, etc) and sometimes the phone would mute and I would have to reboot to fix it (Very annoying, but will stick with it for now)

Ties0 said:
Thanks for the reply, I already went ahead and flashed CM 6.0RC2, the only problem I noticed is the lag when going to home from an app (camera, facebook, etc) and sometimes the phone would mute and I would have to reboot to fix it (Very annoying, but will stick with it for now)
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Just a suggestion : maybe try this one : Htcclay's Superfly G1 d/s v1.1 - Froyo 2.2. Has ROM Manager on it with Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. Battery life is very good, 3hrs @ 65% with heavy use, and the memory is absolutely the best. Still have 68MB open on internal memory. Most apps on SD. gmail app is changed, for the better, couple new options. The one and only pain is market, which is also a bit slow on this one. I'll live with it.
No glitches, no mystery reboots and widgets are staying put. Seems very very stable. Evidently you haven't had the couple small issues I had. I've tried 5 different ROMS today and slight issues with all but this one is really, really good.
Think I found the Rom I'm sticking with.
Gotta give props to cyanogen and all the xda folks for all the development, recommendations, and suggestions.
G1 has been sitting for months and I finally got the nerve to flash. Glad I did it, got a new phone and can't put it down.
thanks guys.

crz6662 said:
Just a suggestion : maybe try this one : Htcclay's Superfly G1 d/s v1.1 - Froyo 2.2. Has ROM Manager on it with Flash ClockworkMod Recovery. Battery life is very good, 3hrs @ 65% with heavy use, and the memory is absolutely the best. Still have 68MB open on internal memory. Most apps on SD. gmail app is changed, for the better, couple new options. The one and only pain is market, which is also a bit slow on this one. I'll live with it.
No glitches, no mystery reboots and widgets are staying put. Seems very very stable. Evidently you haven't had the couple small issues I had. I've tried 5 different ROMS today and slight issues with all but this one is really, really good.
Think I found the Rom I'm sticking with.
Gotta give props to cyanogen and all the xda folks for all the development, recommendations, and suggestions.
G1 has been sitting for months and I finally got the nerve to flash. Glad I did it, got a new phone and can't put it down.
thanks guys.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that rom as soon as I have time. If I have apps backed up on my SD, I wouldn't have to change anything right?

Ties0 said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I will try that rom as soon as I have time. If I have apps backed up on my SD, I wouldn't have to change anything right?
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As far as I know. I have 767 backup apps on my SD card right now. Tell ya what. Been playing with this all day and observed a few things.
Get yourself - atrack dog (SD) backup, run it, takes a few minutes depending on how many apps, it'll list every backup app ya got on SD, "with" the "icons" showing. Either install apps you want from your SD or do new version tracking and see what you can upgrade. Also apps on internal storage are listed at the end of the SD list so no need to get the regular atrack dog.
Can you imagine trying to figure out which app is which with a file explorer just by the brief description ? After install atrack takes you right back to where you left off, unlike installing through file explorers. So much easier this way.
One thing though, things like weather apps, clocks and such, put on your internal memory, (starts with approx 89MB with this ROM), found that the slight delay running apps from SD screws **** up. I still have approx 65MB internal memory left, ball park 200 apps installed.
With this ROM after rebooting, give it a few extra minutes to boot completely. Apps on SD take a little to load their icons, I assume because of the delay loading from the SD card, or you'll end up with the same generic icon for all of them.
Once up and running though your good.
Absolutely Killer ROM........
http://androidspin.com/2010/08/07/rom-htcclay-superfly-tcby-v1-1-for-dream-g1/

crz6662 said:
As far as I know. I have 767 backup apps on my SD card right now. Tell ya what. Been playing with this all day and observed a few things.
Get yourself - atrack dog (SD) backup, run it, takes a few minutes depending on how many apps, it'll list every backup app ya got on SD, "with" the "icons" showing. Either install apps you want from your SD or do new version tracking and see what you can upgrade. Also apps on internal storage are listed at the end of the SD list so no need to get the regular atrack dog.
Can you imagine trying to figure out which app is which with a file explorer just by the brief description ? After install atrack takes you right back to where you left off, unlike installing through file explorers. So much easier this way.
One thing though, things like weather apps, clocks and such, put on your internal memory, (starts with approx 89MB with this ROM), found that the slight delay running apps from SD screws **** up. I still have approx 65MB internal memory left, ball park 200 apps installed.
With this ROM after rebooting, give it a few extra minutes to boot completely. Apps on SD take a little to load their icons, I assume because of the delay loading from the SD card, or you'll end up with the same generic icon for all of them.
Once up and running though your good.
Absolutely Killer ROM........
http://androidspin.com/2010/08/07/rom-htcclay-superfly-tcby-v1-1-for-dream-g1/
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I flashed the rom and I enjoy it, is there any way to change the theme and icons though? I enjoyed the Cyanogen icons a lot

Ties0 said:
I flashed the rom and I enjoy it, is there any way to change the theme and icons though? I enjoyed the Cyanogen icons a lot
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Just "google" froyo themes and there's a bunch. Search Icons or widgets in Market and a big list will pop up for ya.
That background pic on the home screen wasn't one I would've picked so I just changed it.

[Q] can someone answer a few quick questions about the nook color?

Hello all,
i just purcased a nookcolor for my wife (& me of course. )
So before I root it, I want to know afew things. ( I am fimiliar with android, I have a incredible that I have modded )
1) when i root we she still be able to buy & downld stuff from the b&n store?
2)can clockwork recovery be loaded?
If so can I make a "nandroid" backup? As to say be able to restore. / brick proof?
3)can the root be removd if needed?
4) can any rom be loaded after root? Like 2.3, ? Redemtion rEVOolutin? Cynogen? 3.0( I this out. )
5)how about apps? Can any android apps be loaded? Or are there now "nook color" specific apps /roms I have to use?
That's about all I can think of, thank all who answer.

1) Yes, you can still download and use everything from the B&N store, whether you use the original stock nook app or the one downloaded from the market.
2) Yes, clockworkmod can be loaded.
3) Of course! Do a search. There is a way to go back to stock.
4) Only roms designed for use on the nook will really "work". CyanogenMod 7 just went into nightlies but it isn't a daily driver just yet. NookiFroyo (2.2 port) works fine and boots straight from the SD card. There are also Honeycomb ports but they are far from being daily drivers. There's also a way to dual boot the emmc so that you can have multiple ports (i.e stock eclair and cyanogen mod/whatever). Again, search search search and you'll find everything you need.
5) just about any android app can be loaded. i'm not aware of many that aren't working. Learn how to use softkeys.
Search google for NookDevs wiki. (i can't post links yet)
it has EVERYTHING you'll need.

Welcome to the community.
1. Yes, B&N store works fine rooted. Not sure about custom roms, I'm using rooted stock until CM7 is more stable.
2. Clockwork can be loaded. Also, there are flashable stock roms available over in the Dev forum. It's been said multiple times that the NC is pretty much unbrickable, it can always be recovered with an SD card, so don't worry too much about that.
3. Yes.
4. No. There are a couple of roms being worked on for the nook. Cyanogenmod 7 is doing nightly released right now. There is also a version of honeycomb and a version of froyo that quite a few people on this forum use. I understand CM7 and HC aren't entirely stable and bug free yet, but I don't use either myself, so I can't describe specific issues. If you use the search tool I'm sure you can find them.
5. Most android apps can be loaded. there are some that don't work on the nook color or won't show up in the market for some reason, but for the most part you shouldn't have any trouble. It does have the standard android market after rooting.

Thanks guys. Sinv,ce postinf if been on the wiki & nookdev.
So I'm learning....I'm so used to my old droid, jow my incredible. Not really diggin the whole bn ui......I like to have osmthing that nearly reembles those. (Shes quite familar with playin on the non activated droid mostly anry birds n ireader,
Wu I be able to set up a home screen with like beautiful idgwts n minimalistic text.
Ill find out the answer to both of those questions tomorrow whn I root. I jus got it for her today, so ill let it stay stock for 1 day. Plus I ont have a spare sd card.....

Posting on this nook is already provjng to be. Bit of apain...
Rerracting double post

you'll get the hang of it. I had trouble typing on it at first too, now it's nice and smooth.

enohand said:
Wu I be able to set up a home screen with like beautiful idgwts n minimalistic text.
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Yes you will be able too. one of the first things you do is install a homescreen replacement (such as launcher pro, zeam, adw) then you can put the homescreen widgets and such on it
if your looking to keep the full functionality of the nook while still getting some of these extras I would suggest just rooting it and not installing any roms to it. if you do you only have the android nook app which isnt as fully functional as the one that was built into the nook color.

Welcome to the community!
I have been running honeycomb for about 2 weeks on my Nook Color. I originally put it on to try it but I stayed with it. It is about 80% there but I have found workarounds for the things that are missing and it runs much much better than I would have ever expected. After using it for a day, I realized that I just can't live without the new email app and widget. I also could never get used to softkeys. I think my fingers are just to pudgy. Honeycomb was designed for devices without buttons so it works better for me.
Something that I think you will enjoy if you are coming from an Incredible or other Android phone like I did is that the device checks the sd card for boot before the internal memory, meaning that you can leave your everyday ROM on the device while you test others. I recommend buying two sd cards for it. One for your regular data and files and another to hold a recovery image and ROMS.

[Q] NC + HC + Apps missing

I've noticed that when I try to install quite a few apps on my Nook Color running Honeycomb, they don't show up. One good example of this is Pocket Legends. Is there something I need to change on my NC to make these apps show up? Thanks!

Pocket Legends now installs directly to the SD-Card. Try moving the app to internal and seeing what happens from there. Or taking out the SDcard before installing it.

Well, when I go to the market and do a search, Pocket Legends doesn't even show up in the search..so I don't even have the opportunity to install it.
On a side note, I notice that for some reason the UI gets clipped when I hold the NC upright. The 'desktop' icons on the far left get cut in half. I don't know if I need to adjust some DPI setting or something.

The build.prop needs to be edited so the app will show up. Even if it does that does not mean it will install correctly. As for what the build.prop needs to be edited to I can't say. I don't run HC myself but I know when leaked Android fiel come out of the Moto devices that are not public yet we have to edit the build.prop so all apps will display. There is a line in the build.prop that tells the Market what device you are using and what will work on the device to install. That is why you currently are not able to see the app even when you run a search for it. I don't have it handy but take a look over at Nookdevs.com I'm almost positive I saw info on wha tto change the build.prop to so most apps will show up.

I've followed the instructions at http://nookdevs.com/Honeycomb_Google_Apps_and_Market to change the build.prop file. I've tried both the Xoom and Nexus S entries without success.

I've got all the apps in the market showing up now that didn't before.
The following vid was posted in the Nook General forum that explains how to do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l-nySibzeA&feature=related

I've tried that before, and I just tried it again without success.. :/
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Thirtybird said:
I've got all the apps in the market showing up now that didn't before.
The following vid was posted in the Nook General forum that explains how to do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l-nySibzeA&feature=related
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I have to admit, I was really skeptical of this working... but it did! Running HC (on SD) on my wife's nook color, and couldn't find numerous apps in the Market. Did what the video said, and voila! The missing apps are there. Awesome! Thank you for posting that!
/Kevin

Thirtybird said:
I've got all the apps in the market showing up now that didn't before.
The following vid was posted in the Nook General forum that explains how to do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l-nySibzeA&feature=related
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That video really follows what is posted in the "Getting Protected Apps To Show in Market" section of -> http://nookdevs.com/Honeycomb_Google_Apps_and_Market
Settings -> Manage Applications -> All -> Market
Clear Cache then Force Stop -- DO NOT clear data
Settings -> Manage Applications -> All -> Google Services Framework
Clear data then Force Stop
Then reboot the NC
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Except the video doesn't have you edit the Build.Prop file, tells you to start market first, go to "RUNNING" rather than "ALL" for applications, and it tells you to try market and let it error before reboot.
I've done it the "Video's way" without seeing any additional apps. I've done it nookdevs.com way (including editing build.prop), and many more apps have shown up including those I was looking for.
However, even though I see more apps, I'm not sure I see "ALL" apps in market that I do on my android phones (Incredible, Droid X, Moto Droid).

[Q] Help a total Nook/Android noob

Long story short: I bought my Nook to root it. I'm not a complete moron, but I'm a little overwhelmed by all of the options for modifying the Nook. I have tons of iOS experience since I have an iPhone business on the side, so I'm not afraid to mess around with something.
The problem is, the only Android device I've spent more than 20 minutes with is the Samsung Captivate, which was ridiculously easy to root and then unlock so I could sell it.
Other than that, not much Android experience.
I bought the Nook because I need a portable device to view documents and the occasional entertainment. I'm a pilot and instantly recognized the advantage of being able to take aviation publications with me everywhere, including the cockpit. I considered the iPad since I'm intimately familiar with iOS, but the cost was a little higher than I wanted to go.
So, here's what I need: a VERY stable Nook that can efficiently read PDF files, H.264 movies and still maintain respectable battery life. I will be heading overseas with less than dependable access to internet, so I need something that's pretty worry-free since I might not be able to worry with finding a fix online.
Where to start?
I've already rooted it using AutoNooter, but it seems wonky at best. The N button rarely works at all and SoftKeys isn't much help either. I currently haven't found a way to go "back" in the Market app, and still haven't figured out how to sign in on my YouTube account.
So, what are your suggestions for setup? Please be detailed with your suggestions and save the flaming for someone who cares.
Thanks!

I didn't like the stock rom either...
I went immdiatly to nookie froyo, which is the most stable rom other then stock.
You should try it.
You should also try cm7 and it varients, but those are less stable.
you can check out the tutorials on remapping the volume keys for back and menu, although I find soft keys a valiable option.

Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?

LongbowFoSho said:
Can you point me to the best method of install for Froyo? Is it better on internal or keeping it on the SD card? I'm not worried about warranty or restoring the stock ROM, so which one is best overall?
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Try it on the SD card first, just to start. If you screw up, you can just format the card and start over, it's relatively pain free that way. But it will run a little snappier on the actual Nook eMMC, but you can always do that later.
Another factor is that B&N will be updating all Nook Colors to Froyo in April. If you run off an SD card until then, then you can root the Nook after that update (with new Autonooter built for that new update), and you will have a more stable Froyo since it will be a professional kernel built for the hardware.
You'll need a Sandisk Class 4 or 6 uSD card or a Transcend Class 6 (unless you have already bought something, in which go ahead and try that card).
The build is at:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=922324

Yeah......about that "don't flash the internal memory" part.....
Everything went great until I rebooted and now its stuck at the Android screen with the flashing cursor.
Now I'm just trying to figure out how to restore it. Ugh.
I'm using a 32GB SanDisk SDHC Class 6 card, BTW.
EDIT: Well, I was able to get the build from your link running from the SD card, but all of the processes suddenly and continually fail. All I get is pop up after pop up about errors.
I'm done screwing around with this for today. If I can't get something usable by tomorrow night, I'm selling this POS and getting an iPad. This isn't worth it just to save $100.

I don't know what all you did to the internal memory, but chances are this will work to get back to stock.
http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM
If that doesn't work then
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=945838
Softkeys works, and I use it, but it's...not intuitive...this page made things clear for me. Reading through this should get your n key working and whatnot.
http://nookdevs.com/NookColor_Default_Launcher
Disabling the service in the softkeys settings was good for me. That stupid little button was always in the wrong place no matter where I put it and wasn't useful anyhow. I also didn't install home switcher or whatever. If you get your n button set wrong, you can just clear the defaults from the app settings for whatever app is set to the n button.
Sounds like you got it rooted and everything, but here is a link for reference anyhow.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=942424
A note on those instructions: youtube did nothing but crash on me. The purpose of logging in with youtube is to get your device linked to your google account so you can get into the market. I didn't use youtube, i think i used gmail or the market itself or something. I don't remember. I just uninstalled youtube, you don't need it. Youtube video's still download and play in the default video player if you visit youtube.com from the web browser.
As far as your options for operating systems. I haven't used froyo, and haven't spent much time with honeycomb, so grain of salt and stuff. Plus it really depends on what you need/want.
Note: after booting a fresh burn for the first time, just walk away for five minutes. I'm not sure why (maybe something to do with the not quite jit doing it's thing?), but it will be more stable if you do.
Froyo gives flash and slightly better performance over stock. I think video is on par with stock, but it could be worse, i'm not sure. It's almost certainly not better. I can't speak for stability, as I haven't tried it. I think bluetooth is possible but not realistic? I know occip got the chip responding, but I haven't seen anything indicating it's useable. Links in previous posts so i won't make another.
Cyanogenmod gives all that froyo gives plus bluetooth support. Video framerate is poor (movies, not games and whatnot). Stability isn't as good as stock. Mostly it's fine but every once in a while things start force closing like mad and i have to reboot. Also battery life isn't good with cyanogenmod. Sleep has been disabled as there is a bug with it. It will still last over a day without a charge though. It's what i use day to day. Really amazing and fast moving. Seems like every day a new major bug is fixed or a whole new piece of hardware is working. Linkie:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1000957
Honeycomb is really cool and it's amazing what deeperblue did (without much source omgwat?) but it's still kinda just a toy until google releases all the source code. No flash, no hardware accelerated video, no bluetooth, no reason to use it, other than aesthetics. Annoying ui glitches in portrait mode. Neat and worth an sd burn to play with, but not for using day to day in my opinion.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=936995
Of course there is no need to choose one! There are a couple option for multibooting in the forums and I intend to get around to combining a few to triple boot. Right now this is what I use:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=947698
I'm set up to boot rooted stock off internal memory and cm7 off of uSD
P.S. If you just want it to work and be a full tablet it might be worth the extra $150 or so for an IPad. The nook has been fantastically useful for my needs and I don't think i've had this much fun with a piece of kit since my first apple II. On the other hand I've wasted a fair number of hours reading about and "bricking" the thing so...ymmv depending on what your needs/wants are.

Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers

Can you elaborate on "can't change permissions"? Can you not find the option, or are you making the change and its not working?
For your clockwork upgrade question, is your recovery internal, or on a bootable SD?
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Thanks for the detailed response, ylixir. I'm attempting to go back to stock now and will definitely try your suggestions.
I'm still going to try Nookie since the general consensus is that it's the most stable. I don't care about BT or even Flash since I'll just be using this mostly for mobile document viewing in Afghanistan.
Thanks again and will update with my results.

chef123 said:
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!

LongbowFoSho said:
I know you're new and all, but generally its considered rude to jump into someone else's thread and ask your own question. You'll probably get a lot more visibility (and subsequently a solution to your problem) by making your own thread.
Thanks!
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Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, I've got it back to stock 1.1 now. I'm VERY happy to see that since I still might sell this thing if I can't make some headway with a usable ROM.

danger-rat said:
Dude! The forum rules tell you to search and piggyback existing threads before making your own thread. The idea is that the closely related information is localized, and searching is made much more easier without having multiple threads on the same subject...
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Well, this is the first forum I've ever seen that operates that way.

Well, just tried running Froyo from the SD card and it just sits at the Android splash screen (the animated one). It also did this last night, but I thought it was because of the non-functional Froyo I had flashed internally.
I guess I'll give HC a shot to see if anything actually works on this device.

Just ran HC and although I finally got past the "decrypted data" error (after three re-images and flashing, no less), I dunno.
I'm going to try rooting the stock 1.1 again and see how that goes. If I can't get comfortable with that, then I'm done. I have better things to do besides sitting around for hours and hours trying to get something to be remotely practical for every day use.
If I wanted a tinkering project, I'd buy an old car.

Autonooker is super easy to get the stock ROM working as an Android tablet.
I'm sure it's stated on the wiki that Nookie Froyo and other ROMs are in development and not meant for stable systems.
Anyway, hope Autonooker works for you

Good news! Looks like perseverence pays off because rooting 1.1 seems to have worked perfectly this time.
I am fully signed in on YouTube and email, and all the buttons are working properly.
Now that I've finally gotten that out of the way, is there a way to OC the stock ROM? Its not really a need, just curious LOL. I've seen SetCPU mentioned a few times, but IIRC its intended for 2.2 and up only. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, best PDF reader for stock ROM?

chef123 said:
Hi, Im new here, too.
Id like to do this "Go back in Root Explorer, and in system/app, mount as r-w and rename Phone.apk and TelephonyProvider.apk to anything else (adding .bak onto the end would be fine)." But I can't change the permission...
Even I do habe only CWM 3.0.0.6 and like to have the newest one (3.0.1.0) and Iam using right now the Phirmod V5.1
Has anyone some hinds? Cheers
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Get a Terminal Emulator from the Market. Now type in the following:
If running off SD
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk1p2 /system
If running off EMMC
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /dev/block/mmcblk0p5 /system
Hope this helps.
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Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?

LongbowFoSho said:
Everything I'm installing doesn't show up on the Extras page. If I want to open FB or Dolphin or something like that, I have to search for it.
A little help?
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Install a new launcher, such as Zeam, Launcher Pro, or ADW. I prefer Zeam myself. Then you'll be able to immediately see new apps you've installed.