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[APP] [Lesser Dev-Phase] Battery Monitor Graph App **UPDATED 25.03.09**

Yo
heres a brutally simple battery monitor software thingy that graphs your usage and battery level - top graph is mAh usage (15000ms refresh (os updates info every 30 secs)) and bottom graph is battery life (60000ms refresh)
i wrote this thing to monitor my batt usage cause my bat life is utter crap, barely lasts 8 hours with my level of use/cellular climate, which sucks its just a straight up .exe, just copy to where-ever and run it
this version here is so pre-alpha-uber-dev-debug-build its not funny but i thought id put it up for you lot anyway as i have found it useful just to glance at from time to time - there are no user controls, i spazzed this out in a hurry but i intend to improve on it and implement any features you lot might think useful.
best i can get out of my raph with screen on with celluar, gprs and bt ad2p connected is -63mAh - whats the best you can get?
just tryin to put smt back into the community <3
p.s. this is a debug build (i kept getting microsoft error reporting crap on the emulator, so i dunno how itll go on other devices)
p.p.s. i take no responsibility if this bricks your device, sleeps with your wife, sets your house on fire or kills your cat etc etc (but it works ok on my raph
***UPDATED 25.03.09***
SEE POST #9 IN THIS THREAD BELOW

going to try this out soon, loving the simple graph
now i can see whats happening when 40% of my battery dies overnight as i sleep >:O

works good, any way of making it show the current time on the x-axis? or able to scroll left and rigth to see what happened earlier?
and whats the bottom graph for?

07accordEX said:
any way of making it show the current time on the x-axis? or able to scroll left and right to see what happened earlier?
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both of these features are on the todo list (which ill put up when i get a moment)
and whats the bottom graph for?
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read the initial post.
the top graph shows the past hour of activity (ish, its actually more like 57.5 mins), the bottom graph shows the past 8 hours (ish, more like 7.7hrs).
no data is collected when the device is asleep - and the graph doesnt get updated during these times, so you only see 'active' use in the graphs - i plan to implement some sort of visual cue system to signify times of sleep and also to keep the temporal coherency of the graph more contiguous (lol, e.g. a graphed minute will be 8 pixels wide no matter what).
i believe its impossible to collect data while the device is asleep as afaik when the processor goes to sleep the only part of it that functions is the bit that listens for interrupts (from i.e. the phone management cpu, etc) (and maybe a timer (for alarms etc?)) - if im wrong on these details please enlighten me.
fusi

Nice app I would love to see it becoming more mature, will probably end up with my standard equipment, thanks 12

12aon said:
Nice app I would love to see it becoming more mature, will probably end up with my standard equipment, thanks 12
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thanks, watch this space should have something new up by the weekend

This opens up a blank white page on my phone. Did I do something wrong?

behrouz said:
This opens up a blank white page on my phone. Did I do something wrong?
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the graphs dont refresh as soon as you open the app - youll hve to wait for the first update (15 and 60seconds) before anything is rendered - this will be fixed soon.

ok, a bit later than advertised but here is an updated version - fixed most things, still working on scrolling through the history - will add more features in coming days (colour customisation, toggling graph display, scrolling through history, exporting graphs as images, user customisable update intervals, etc)
btw ive added in support for unattended mode - this keeps the cpu alive when the device is asleep - i dont recommend keeping this on unless you are trying to debug unexplained power drain in standby - unattended mode keeps my raph ticking along at -21mAh, when im pretty sure true idle for this handset is more like -4mAh. so yah, not recommended to leave it on
im pretty sure there arent bugs but if you find one please let me know!
enjoy
fusi

fusi said:
ok, a bit later than advertised but here is an updated version - fixed most things, still working on scrolling through the history - will add more features in coming days (colour customisation, toggling graph display, scrolling through history, exporting graphs as images, user customisable update intervals, etc)
btw ive added in support for unattended mode - this keeps the cpu alive when the device is asleep - i dont recommend keeping this on unless you are trying to debug unexplained power drain in standby - unattended mode keeps my raph ticking along at -21mAh, when im pretty sure true idle for this handset is more like -4mAh. so yah, not recommended to leave it on
im pretty sure there arent bugs but if you find one please let me know!
enjoy
fusi
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I'm curious to know what you think the power consumption caused by this program is. Like you, I get about 21mA drain with the phone screen off - but I'm getting that with your old version. I use S2U2 with the "but only blank screen" option and turned off standby in Windows power management so I think that's effectively putting the phone in unattended mode. Normally (without your program running) I see pretty modest battery drain with the phone in unattended mode. Just off the top of my head I'd say that 5-15% battery drain per hour would be about what I'm used to with zero usage - phone just sitting in my pocket or on a desk in "unattended mode" but just now while running your older EXE my phone went from 65% to about 40% in under an hour while "unattended" (locked, screen off). Looking at the graph for that time period I see a consistent 21mA drain. If 21mAh=25% capacity, I'm in trouble. I know my battery isn't that far out of whack because I get what I'd consider (based on reading other's experiences) pretty normal life out of it. Maybe the drain characteristics for that "portion" of the battery are a little different - I'm not sure whether the capacity is judged solely on capacity minus drain or it figures voltage levels in as well...?
To be clear, I'm basing my sense of normal battery consumption on nothing more than "took it off the charger in the morning, didn't use it all day at work and have ~50% when I get home 9 or ten hours later" so it's anecdotal at best.
I'll keep playing - I love this tool. Maybe I'll be a little more scientific about my testing and see if I'm imagining things.

Hi thanks for posting
if your just turning the screen off, i dont think thats unattended mode, unattended mode actually powers down non essential parts of the device.
if unattended mode is off in the program and your phone goes into standby, it wont consume any battery as when the phone goes into standby everything is shutdown and the cpu pretty much stops functioning (apart from a very small part) - but this also means the historical data and graphs dont get updated . if unattended mode is on and your phone hits that standby timeout, it wont go into standby but unattended mode instead where it just turns off a lot of the non-essential stuff, like voltage to the sd card, the screen, etc - but it keeps the cpu running and the operating system pumping its messages.
i think a chunk of that 21mAh is going to be the operating system - but not all of it - currently the program registers 2 timers with the os, one has a 15second timeout and the other has a 60 second timeout. timers do drain battery, as the cpu keeps having to go 'is it time yet? is it time yet?' ad infinitum.
btw, when i said 'true idle' in my prev post i meant that that is the current used in true standby.
one way to calculate how much current its drawing is to leave your phone running it for 24hours (airplane mode on etc) and see how much its depleted over that time, then do it again without it running. using that information you can figure out how much current its using - i havent done this yet, i cant put the thing down for 5 minutes let alone 24 hours
im currently working on a system that doesnt use timers, it might work, might not if it does i hope to see that 21mAh reduce, but i dont imagine itll go down by that much. there are however loads of optimisations that can be done, and im investigating them atm.
im no battery scientist but as far as battery capacity, i think li-ion batteries judge their capacity by their voltage, from something like 3v up to 4.2v (0% -> 100% [wiki link below]) - i could be wrong on that though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_battery <-- this is a good informative read.
i dont think the battery is very capacious tbh - any amount of drain and it seems to go down very fast - i think the saving grace of the device is that is consumes minimal power when in standby - on days where im constantly using it heavily, im practically tethered to a power outlet as the battery just drains far too fast - i think the manufacters banked on the assumption that users would mostly have the phone in standby mode for most of the day. i usually use it for music while im at work and have putty sessions open etc, so its always on - i barely get 8 hours use without a charge .
ive noticed with my battery that even though the drain is constant (i.e. 21mAh or 63mAh) the charge level of the battery does not decrease linearly - e.g. ive noticed my phone suddenly start going down and lose 10% in 5 minutes before, and then the charge level would level out and stay at the same capacity for like 10 minutes before starting to go down again - this to me seems a little funny, as if the circuitry reporting the capacity isnt quite accurate - i think there a many factors, including battery temperature, the drain on the battery in mAh (i think a spike of higher drain may cause the battery do the nose-dive-then-level-out thing) - but i also think that the battery just doesnt deplete linearly, it seems to always have lumps and bumps in the graph, no matter how smooth the drain is.
glad you like the app ill be posting an update to it in a week or so.
peace
fusi

I'm not sure what exactly S2U2's "but only blank screen" does, but it leaves me with a 21 mA draw, so it can't be much different from unattended mode. I haven't tried to monitor it in that mode with (for example) an active Wifi connection or a program accessing the SD card to see if that changes things, but as it is it seems to be running the same things your set is.
The only reason I think the capacity calculation must not run off of only the voltage is that it has a definite "learning" capability. I think it must be doing some more complex things behind the scenes in terms of monitoring consumption and recalibrating periodically based on charge and discharge rates. I know I've seen it sit at 99% charging for a (very) disproportionately long time. The only good explanation for that is that it wasn't perfectly calibrated and the battery is still accepting charge at a higher rate than an almost full battery would. I've seen the same behavior in a lot of charge monitoring systems as they "learn" the characteristics of a battery. I guess it could be basing that purely on voltage, but I doubt it. While connected to a charge, the system will report a substantially higher voltage than it will as soon as the charging voltage is disconnected.
I don't know, I'm just kind of thinking aloud here. It would be great if there were a way to poll the power consumption without affecting the power consumption - sort of a Heisenberg's uncertainty problem... I'd really like to know what the power consumption is in unattended mode as well as true standby. Even if you do the 24 hour test you have to assume a lot of things about the battery's initial condition and the accuracy of the meter to arrive at a consumption number (and, like you, I'll never have a day I don't want to putter around with this phone). I suppose if you were really into it you could stick an ammeter between the battery and phone and control for the added loss
It's definitely true that the discharge isn't linear, even given a constant discharge rate. This has to be an artifact of including battery voltage in the capacity calculation. If it was using purely capacity minus usage the relationship would have to be linear.
Anyways, keep up the good work. I love stuff like this, just from an academic standpoint. Practically speaking I'm pretty much tethered to my chargers, too...

hyachts said:
I'm not sure what exactly S2U2's "but only blank screen" does, but it leaves me with a 21 mA draw, so it can't be much different from unattended mode.
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That's exactly the case, this setting causes your device to run in unattended mode (backlight off, audio off, wi-fi off, ...)
hyachts said:
I think it must be doing some more complex things behind the scenes in terms of monitoring consumption and recalibrating periodically based on charge and discharge rates. I guess it could be basing that purely on voltage, but I doubt it. While connected to a charge, the system will report a substantially higher voltage than it will as soon as the charging voltage is disconnected.
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Microsoft's reference battery driver for PXA270 CPU is calculating battery percentage based on voltage exclusively. HTC's custom driver for Qualcomm cores seems to have some kind of more advanced logic behind it, but it doesn't work well/smooth.
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I don't know, I'm just kind of thinking aloud here. It would be great if there were a way to poll the power consumption without affecting the power consumption - sort of a Heisenberg's uncertainty problem... I'd really like to know what the power consumption is in unattended mode as well as true standby.
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Not without external tools, it should be possible to hook up an external multimeter to the battery directly to measure the voltage accurately in standby. Using the battery driver information you can only evaluate it and the evaluation is likely to be pretty rough.

Attached are some charts from my Touch HD...
The battery level graph seems to follow consumption graph very closely.
You can barely notice the resemblance with the voltage graph though.
These charts depict my device's utilization over 2 days, assuming 0 mah consumption when in standby. This assumption is apparently not accurate, as the battery capacity is 1350 mah and only about 1000 mah were utilized. Out of these 48 hours the device was in standby for about 40 hours, so my estimated standby utilization is -350mah/40h => -8.75mah. This doesn't sound reasonable, as according to manufacturers specs, the device is capable of 450h of standby, with 1350mah battery standby consumption should be -1350mah/450h => -3.375mah. I would agree with fusi, that taking manufacturer's estimation errors it should be safe to assume standby consupmption is around -4mah.
40*-4mah=160mah, so I have about -190mah remaining unaccounted for. I blame measurement accuracy for this... IMO, with this degree of inaccuracy, standby consumption can not be accurately estimated and has to be assumed based on manufacturers specs only.
I'm running more tests to reconfirm these observations, but I doubt the results will be extremely different.
For your reference, I get -69mah on Touch HD when idling with minimal backlight level and -27mah in suspended mode.

display -- sucking up my battery life

Hello, my phones battery life is I'd say average.
I get up in the morning after its been charging all night, and after its been unplugged for maybe a half hour, with a few texts and a minute of browsing done, the battery has gone down 5%.
Battery usage shows that display is taking up 89% of the usage!
Why is this? Is it normal? If not, how can I fix this?

Display will use most anyway. Get a darker home screen, either use low brightness or auto-brightness. not much else you can do.

Let me guess you're using CyanogenMod?

I've seen reports of my same problem, and those that had it found a solution by wiping the battery statistics, letting it die, then charging it to 100%
But no, my nexus isn't even rooted.

Strange. Before I was rooted my display would always be 1st or 2nd, along with android OS
After I rooted using Cyan, it was always 1st taking up more than 60%
Then I switched ROMS now its always 3rd or even 4th
Sorry dude.. try wiping batty stats and changing your brightness.. are you using live wallpaper? what about screen timeout.

S_Dot said:
Strange. Before I was rooted my display would always be 1st or 2nd, along with android OS
After I rooted using Cyan, it was always 1st taking up more than 60%
Then I switched ROMS now its always 3rd or even 4th
Sorry dude.. try wiping batty stats and changing your brightness.. are you using live wallpaper? what about screen timeout.
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has anyone thought that the battery usage stats has to equal 100% so if the operating system on CM is running lighter (usin the cpu less or in a more efficient way) then the display would be taking more % of battery usage making people think there is something wrong when probably there is nothing wrong. maybe the desire ports (modaco ro king) use more cpu and thats why the display is 3rd or 2nd.

izmar said:
Hello, my phones battery life is I'd say average.
I get up in the morning after its been charging all night, and after its been unplugged for maybe a half hour, with a few texts and a minute of browsing done, the battery has gone down 5%.
Battery usage shows that display is taking up 89% of the usage!
Why is this? Is it normal? If not, how can I fix this?
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This is perfectly normal. Displays are power hungry relative to the rest of the phones components.
Google maybe shouldn't have included the battery usage page as it just leads to confusion. When you use up 5% of your battery's power and then check the stats and see that the display is listed at 89% it means that of the 5% used, 89% went to powering the display. It does not mean that the screen has used 89% of your total battery at that point.
Leave the phone alone for a while and you'll see that the display percentage will go down while things such as Cell standby will go up.

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has anyone thought that the battery usage stats has to equal 100% so if the operating system on CM is running lighter (usin the cpu less or in a more efficient way) then the display would be taking more % of battery usage making people think there is something wrong when probably there is nothing wrong. maybe the desire ports (modaco ro king) use more cpu and thats why the display is 3rd or 2nd.
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Nobody thinks of that
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I am on more than 9h of use still 50% battery left!
- Autobrightness on
- No taskkiller!!
- Wifi on all the time
...and using it today a lot, mails, web, twitter,....-> made a logcat this morning and eliminated my battery drainers

Agh! I want better battery life! I feel like it's dying much too quickly....

buy a bigger battery

or stop fiddling with it so much, lol
turn the brightness down. turn the sync off. turn off background data. don't use bluetooth or wifi. turn off your location.
don't use live wallpaper, use a darker screen that doesn't move.
i know on my winmo phone if i turned on bluetooth, battery would just get sucked out. i couldn't charge
it as fast as bt used it up. and that was with a fastcharge reg edit.

I believe you just got your phone, right?
It's cause you're playing with it so much.

I dont feel like I am though. I am using it probably just as much as I use any other phone I've had.
Maybe the battery just needs to be broken in.

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turn the brightness down. turn the sync off. turn off background data. don't use bluetooth or wifi. turn off your location.
don't use live wallpaper, use a darker screen that doesn't move.
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So cripple the phone basically?

lore2486 said:
has anyone thought that the battery usage stats has to equal 100% so if the operating system on CM is running lighter (usin the cpu less or in a more efficient way) then the display would be taking more % of battery usage making people think there is something wrong when probably there is nothing wrong. maybe the desire ports (modaco ro king) use more cpu and thats why the display is 3rd or 2nd.
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Nobody ever thinks of that unfortunately. I would think display using the most would mean you're using a pretty efficient device.

Yup. That if you want to keep your battery as long as it can get. Else, if you want to enjoy your phone, buy a spare battery along with the desktop charger and you will survive a day...
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I switched to enoms which gave me a little better battery life. Also downloading juice defender made a noticable difference, I use the free version at the default settings. I also switched email to hourly which is adaquate for me. I dont run bluetooth unless I am using it, same with wifi, which is what I do with all my phones. I dont otherwise change my usage, dim the screen etc. Overall I make it through the day with typically about 35% left. Based on what I see here my usage would probably fall into the light to moderate range. To be honest I havent had a smartphone recently that did much better. I pretty much figure I gotta plug in every night in the modern phone world.

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Strange. Before I was rooted my display would always be 1st or 2nd, along with android OS
After I rooted using Cyan, it was always 1st taking up more than 60%
Then I switched ROMS now its always 3rd or even 4th
Sorry dude.. try wiping batty stats and changing your brightness.. are you using live wallpaper? what about screen timeout.
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As others have mentioned, the display uses the same amount of power no matter what rom you are using. So if display is 3rd or 4th, you have an absolutely crappy rom that is using battery probably 10x as fast (compared to same usage where display is 90% of the battery).
In simple terms, the higher % your battery is using, the more efficient your phone is being.*
*compared to same usage at same brightness running different software.

An addendum to juice defender. I had it on the default setting but changed schedule so that it lit up apn for 3 minutes out of fifteen instead of one, my email wasnt consitently downloading at one minute.
I noticed that you have gone to 5.0.6, how is your batt life now? I stayed away from it just because of the overrwhelming number of bad battery life posts on it and was surprised you went that way.

N1 Overheating While In Car Dock

hey guys,
I got my car dock a couple days ago and started using it day 1.
impressions:
its sexy but a little hard to move around (prob cuz its new)
but i have a major problem with the nexus one heating up to almost 120 degrees Fahrenheit! and this troubles me cuz i dont want my battery to lose its charge capacity.
and if im on lets say 50% battery and i drive somewhere for 10-15 min using the navi on the car dock
the temp shoots up to 115-120 and the charge goes down to ~30%
anyone else having a problem with overheating while in the car dock?
i used it during the day and night (only to check if the sun was affecting it)
no change in results
i used it with every option on the power control widget off
i ran Advanced task manager and ended all apps before launching navigation
im considered a tech whiz
so ive put this thing through its paces
and they only way to not have my phone burn hotter than the atlanta summer sun is by turning the screen off and listening to the navi...not veiwing it while its on charge and keeping all wireless options and sync off except GPS
ideas greatly appreciated....
oh yeah
rooted n1
running cyan 5.0.6xx if its any consolation...
and its not undervolted...(problem? but then what about non rooted phones)
EDIT:
oh and today
after using the n1 and removing it from the car dock the screen was not responsive. couldnt use it to navigate
has to reboot the phone

I also noticed my Nexus heated up to 40-42 degrees C while using GPS with Screen on for 15 minutes. Burning hot.

no one has any problems?
ive been noticing its msotly because of the sun that it gets scorching hot but at night it does rise past 115 degrees F

120 degrees fahrenheit (49 degrees celsius) is not very hot for computer parts. The reason it reaches those temperatures I guess is because of google maps (if you used that for navi). When you use google maps it's almost constantly using your data connection and that is one of the most battery intensive tasks if I remember correctly.
Oh and I wouldn't classify a little over 40 degrees celsius as burning hot, I've been to places hotter than that, but I guess it's subjective

Seems that overheating is mainly an issue for those running Cyanogen's ROM, no?

My N1 can get hotter than 50 Celsius in under 10 minutes. It's really a bit frightening. I have noticed, however, that this ONLY occurs when the battery is not near full. Turning the screen off seems to help cool it down (more testing needed). However, turning off the screen doesn't help when you need it for gps.
I am using cyanogen, but not the cyanogen kernel. Overheating occurs both in sunlight and at night. I believe it occurred while not running google maps as well, but I can't remember for sure.

I've had no problems, but I did notice how hot it was. I figured it was because of the sun since I had it mounted on my window glass.

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When you use google maps it's almost constantly using your data connection and that is one of the most battery intensive tasks if I remember correctly.
Google maps only uses a data connection when it initally pulls down the route information and when it needs to recalculate the route.
You can put your phone into airplane mode after the inital pull and google maps will still function as expected (Except it will not pull down new maps if you stray from the path).
The issue is that you are trying to charge the phone and use it at the same time. The mechanism for doing this charges the battery and depletes the battery at the same time, this makes a really hot battery.
Keeping the screen off when its not needed in the dock and you will have less heat issues when you need to charge your phone in the car dock.
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Devastatin said:
SBS_ said:
When you use google maps it's almost constantly using your data connection and that is one of the most battery intensive tasks if I remember correctly.
Google maps only uses a data connection when it initally pulls down the route information and when it needs to recalculate the route.
You can put your phone into airplane mode after the inital pull and google maps will still function as expected (Except it will not pull down new maps if you stray from the path).
The issue is that you are trying to charge the phone and use it at the same time. The mechanism for doing this charges the battery and depletes the battery at the same time, this makes a really hot battery.
Keeping the screen off when its not needed in the dock and you will have less heat issues when you need to charge your phone in the car dock.
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yeah this car dock i am really getting mad at
i wasted 60 bucks for something that heats the hell out of my phone
i listen to music so loud the bluetooth speaker isnt loud enough to tell me where to turn when the screen is off so...
i guess ill try out enomthers rom with the UV kernal and report back
the major cause of it is the sun
because at night the phone doesnt go over 100 degrees F when using the navi
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Does anyone having this problem use "set cpu"?
I had a the same problem because my cpu was set to 998 during charging. so then I had the three main things that cause heat ganging up. battery, gps and cpu. All i did was set the cpu to 806 while charging and the heat problem went away...
I imagine that the stockers don't have this problem because they are under-clocked...

The main problem is the sun. I have Rodriguez's rom with the overclock and the only thing causing it to heat up is the sun.
Setting the CPU lower I will try but on setcpu I don't set it to userspace anymore. Its set to ondemand and no profiles set. Ill set a profile for overheating at 120°F to max 806mhz
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[HOT!]Charging problems, false drain readings, dialer issue, battery life, SOLUTION

Hey guys,
I would like to make your situation easier, so you don't have to read like 1000s of forum threads to get information I'm giving you here. These are the issues I faced with my incredible s, and the so called solutions.
The device:
Stock EU htc incredible s/ htc droid incredible 2 on Gingerbread. NO software mods at all.
According to my knowledge the same applies to the htc desire s and the htc desire hd as well. Most of these problems come forward after updating to gingerbread. If you are still on froyo, I wouldn' recommend updating.
1st issue. High standby drain.
According to Currentwidget and battery monitor my incredible s doesn't have lower battery consumption in standby than 38Mah.
Solution:
Drain readings are corrupted, there is a bug involved.
In reality You only have around 5-6Mah drain in standby.
Proof.
Left phone in standby for 2 days without messing with it, ended up with 40% left.
So if you have a minimum of 40Mah drain for two days. (48hours x40Ma=1920Ma) The battery's capacity is no more than 1500Ma, so it's obvious that standby drain readings are corrupted.
IGNORE drain readings!
2nd issue: You take it off the charger and it's 95%
Some say that phone charges till 100% than shuts charging down till battery reaches 90%, than charging starts again.
Some say our Lithium battery cannot get charged till 100% which is normal. This is the reason our device doesn't show % in notification area.
Solution: Ignore battery monitor, use inbuilt battery charge indicator, and be happy.
If you want to test battery life, start test at 90% and your test won't be corrupted.
3rd issue: Dialer using too much battery.
This might to be a bug as well. Still to be confirmed. The dialer doesn't use that much of power it only gets stuck in built in battery use indicator giving false drain data.
Some say it doesn't stop using proximity sensor after being in a call, hence the big drain. Incredible s's proximity sensor is visible during call, check it in the dark, it blinks. After call it stays inactive. So the dialer using it 24/7 seems to be a false statement.
4th issue: Declining calls in pocket.
When taking or declining a call, you swipe vertically on the screen. If you have your phone in your pocket with the screen facing your body, you can easily take or decline some calls when pulling out. This is more likely if you have a pocket made of thin material.
Solution: Put your phone in your pocket with the battery cover facing your leg. Don't worry about bumping into like a table corner and smashing your screen. Our gorilla glass is almost indestructible. Using a pouch or cover does the trick as well.
Not sure why htc is so obsessed with the vertical answer procedure. With horizontal swipe we wouldn't have this problem and users have been complaining about this since the desire came out.
5th Issue: Wifi disconnects when signal low, but still would be fine under froyo.
Connection gets disconnected when signal is 86db or lower.
This is a gingerbread related problem, htc cannot do anything about it.
No solution just yet.
For those who complain about battery life, I am on gingerbread with loads of apps installed and with very heavy use 3hours of display, wifi, skype,internet browsing I can use the phone for 12 hours. With moderate use min 2 days.
Battery saving tipps:
-Don't let google and htc sync. It uses lot of data and battery resources.(I don't like my sensitive data to be copied on their servers anyway.) Sync with your pc regularly.
- If u use data for e-mail and weather sync, use Gsm only mode, you don't need that much of speed for those, turn WCDMA on if u need it for skype, etc. Hspda and 3g are big battery killers.
-Everything on manual sync. There is a sync all widget in sense to use. U can hit it anytime you want to.
-No live wallpaper
-Hotspot uses excessive amount of battery. Use it on charger only.
-Screen light to be turned down. Use Screen filter app nighttime.
-Turn wifi and mobile data off when not in use, so phone can sleep properly. (wifi timeout app)
-Turn off wireless network positioning.
-Keep bluetooth off when not in use.
-Select short screen timeout like 15s.
-Screen on time is the main culprit in appalling battery life. Use your watch to check time rather than turning the screen on.
-If u struggle to find 3g or Hspda for data or network itself, change provider, because no matter what phone u have, u will have this problem. Try to find spots in your flat with better signal for data. Searching for network uses a lot of battery.
-Try to charge your phone from 0% overnight with the phone off for a couple of times (8-12hrs)
-When gps is on it doesn't mean that it uses battery. If you see the sattelite icon blinking or just on, that's when it uses battery, a significant amount of battery.
-Consider buying the official extended battery available in US (droid incredible 2 2100Mah), coming to EU soon. I wouldn't recommend buying the unofficial ones just now.
Obviously if you apply some of these battery life will be better. If you apply all of them, battery life will be exceptional.
Hope I helped.
Have fun guys!

Hi!
Thanks you for this! I buy my incredible s a couple of days ago, upgraded instantley. I met most of these problems and now I am happyer with my phone knowing these.
Could you give link to the battery you wrote about???

i appreciate what you're trying to do - but if you are going to follow all those steps you might as well have bought a nokia 3210
"Use your watch to check time rather than turning the screen on"
i mean.... really??

As I said, you don't have to follow all the steps.
You might face conditions when you need every drop of your juice, so it's good to know how to get the most out of your battery, isn't it?
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App

IncredibleSSS said:
Hi!
Thanks you for this! I buy my incredible s a couple of days ago, upgraded instantley. I met most of these problems and now I am happyer with my phone knowing these.
Could you give link to the battery you wrote about???
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http://www.bargaincell.com/-p-509714.html
It's for the droid incredible 2, but thats equivalent to Incredible s.

Sorry if this seems sarcastic, but if you're gonna buy a smartphone and turn everything that makes it a smartphone off, then save yourself a few hundred quid and buy a Nokia 1100
I use mine to sync everything and anything I want, and don't worry about it, as long as it lasts the day, which it does, I'm happy.

Clivectmob said:
Sorry if this seems sarcastic, but if you're gonna buy a smartphone and turn everything that makes it a smartphone off, then save yourself a few hundred quid and buy a Nokia 1100
I use mine to sync everything and anything I want, and don't worry about it, as long as it lasts the day, which it does, I'm happy.
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you misinterpreted what the op said. He is just stating what you could do if you found yourself in a situation where you had to maximize battery usage. Obviously most of us are around an outlet or usb plug most of the day so that we can charge the phone often.
Thanks for the info OP. I just wish that current widget would show us the right info. Or some other app :/

Thanks for the info OP. My buddy has had endless problems with his Incredible. I'll Chrome to Phone this thread and send it to him!

sdxda said:
Thanks for the info OP. I just wish that current widget would show us the right info. Or some other app :/
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Its not the apps fault, the phone just reports wrong. So any other app should also fail.
@superman, perhaps a faulty app is causing the problems

Wifi issue should be resolved with the ota update.
However there is a network at my workplace which I couldn't connect to. I guess it is some kind of wifi repeater, it doesn't look like an actual wifi router. There is no cable connecting to it. Apparently I can connect but I get 0 signal next to it. Others can connect with full signal. Any idea?

RicarduZonta said:
Hey guys,
Our gorilla glass is almost indestructible.
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the glass on my phone broke on the third day falling face down from a a height of about 1 feet. so is it a gorilla glass or normal?

Not trying to be rude or anything but thought some other members would find what I have to say useful (I hope!)
Not everything you say is true.
RicarduZonta said:
Put your phone in your pocket with the battery cover facing your leg. Don't worry about bumping into like a table corner and smashing your screen. Our gorilla glass is almost indestructible. Using a pouch or cover does the trick as well.
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It is FAR from "almost" indestructible. Some people also say it's impossible to scratch it, yet mines been scratched (this AND nexus one) It's nice glass but indestructible? I think not, not even "almost"
Oh the guy above me also had his cracked!
RicarduZonta said:
Battery saving tipps:
-Don't let google and htc sync. It uses lot of data and battery resources.(I don't like my sensitive data to be copied on their servers anyway.) Sync with your pc regularly.
- If u use data for e-mail and weather sync, use Gsm only mode, you don't need that much of speed for those, turn WCDMA on if u need it for skype, etc. Hspda and 3g are big battery killers.
-No live wallpaper
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Live wall papers do eat your battery, but it's almost close to nothing. I've read that whatever uses more than 2% of your battery will be displayed in the "battery usage" I've used live wallpapers and it's never even shown that. (I think it also depends on what kind of wallpapers you use though.. let's say you had one that interacted with you) perhaps that might drain more battery.. but who turns on their phone to play with their wallpaper lmao
I've tested and disabling google sync barely makes a diff. I also don't think it uses a lot of data. I don't completely disagree with you though, manual sync is probably a better idea. On the other hand, I don't really think Hspda/3g are big battery killers, I notice that if you use the browser, the battery drops quick. Let's say you used "gsm" / "2G" and the webpage takes longer to load whereas 3G would have it loaded within seconds.. Which would waste more battery? I'm not 100% sure but I'd say just keep 3G and turn on 2G if you're not doing anything else with your phone. To my surprise, 2G is horribly slow.
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-Screen light to be turned down. Use Screen filter app nighttime.
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Completely false. This is only a cover on top of your screen. It doesn't change the power being outputted to the screen. If you look at what RogerProdacter is making, you'll see that he's trying to modify the phones brightness output.
RicarduZonta said:
-Select short screen timeout like 15s.
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Disagree again. It's really up to user though, that's insane. I'd be pissed if my phone kept shutting off in 15s! What you can actually do is turn off the phone yourself or get something like Lock screen widget which instantly turns off your screen. Two reasons it's better - You don't have to worry about the timeout - you shut it off sooner than 15s.
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-Screen on time is the main culprit in appalling battery life. Use your watch to check time rather than turning the screen on.
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that's crazy.. You're saying that for us to check battery life/uptime we should use our watches? That's insane! That's a lot of effort to keep track JUST for your battery. Is it worth it? (I wouldn't think so.. but it's up to whoever uses it lol..)
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-If u struggle to find 3g or Hspda for data or network itself, change provider, because no matter what phone u have, u will have this problem.
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I don't know what kind of world you live in, sounds way too good to be true. Just instantly change providers eh? Where I live.. that's not really easy to do. I'm sure most people getting cell phones would have enough common sense to pick something that works in their area anyway.

Tips to get better battery life. With or without root.

General tips I can think of are:
Use black theme on display settings,
greenify doze setting using adb.
Any suggestions just post below.

beache said:
General tips I can think of are:
Use black theme on display settings,
greenify doze setting using adb.
Any suggestions just post below.
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I take it you mean non-root?
- Brightness!!!!
- Apps running in the background and preventing phone from sleeping permission; Downlaod Shizuku Manager and App Ops from the Play Store, run the script via adb and limit the apps you don't want to have those permissions. Instant messaging: Don't limit run in background
- Did I mention brightness!?!?
- I don't do this one, but don't charge your phone past 80%. This is more of a long term battery saver, as it will cause less damage to the battery. Also don't keep your phone plugged in overnight. (I don't leave mine in)
- Disable radios while not in use. I never use NFC or nearby device scanning, I turn those off. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are never on while not in use. You'll get in the habit of turning them off it you start.

Craz Basics said:
I take it you mean non-root?
- Brightness!!!!
- Apps running in the background and preventing phone from sleeping permission; Downlaod Shizuku Manager and App Ops from the Play Store, run the script via adb and limit the apps you don't want to have those permissions. Instant messaging: Don't limit run in background
- Did I mention brightness!?!?
- I don't do this one, but don't charge your phone past 80%. This is more of a long term battery saver, as it will cause less damage to the battery. Also don't keep your phone plugged in overnight. (I don't leave mine in)
- Disable radios while not in use. I never use NFC or nearby device scanning, I turn those off. Wi-Fi and Bluetooth are never on while not in use. You'll get in the habit of turning them off it you start.
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Leaving the phone plugged in all night wont do any damage to the battery. Once charged the current to the battery is cut off except for when it needs trickle charging throughout the night, the power used by the phone will then come from the wall adapter. But if you dont want to charge your phone all of the way, then thats when you dont leave it plugged in all night unless you have a circuit to disconnect power at a certain battery percentage. Oh man that gives me an idea.
I should make a small circuit thats linked via bluetooth to an app, so pretty much a power adapter that you plug your phone into, but once you reach a certain percentage, the phone tells the adapter to cut power and only turn on to get it back up to that certain percentage.
Okay that was really side tracked.
Back to the post.
Like Craz said, brightness and radios.
If you are rooted, download KA or EXKM and underclock your cpu, thatll help out a bit, also if rooted you could try a custom kernel
Root:
Force Doze
Naptime
Greenify
Custom kernel
CPU underclock
Use tasker to limit cpu speed when screen off or in certain apps
Non Root:
Dark themes
Lower brightness
Make sure apps arent running in the background that use a lot of power
Disable location services
Disable radios unless in use (tasker helps especially with root)
If you plan to have your phone for over a year or two, then the charge limits, but capacity wont change much within the first few hundred cycles
Use Wifi as much as possible (cell uses more power)
Disable screen off gestures
Make sure doze and advanced optimizations are enabled

Tips for better battery life.
And a lot of common sense.

tuncan said:
Tips for better battery life.
And a lot of common sense.
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very helpful thanks

chewingum16 said:
very helpful thanks
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Tnx. :good:

Zombie said:
Leaving the phone plugged in all night wont do any damage to the battery. Once charged the current to the battery is cut off except for when it needs trickle charging throughout the night, the power used by the phone will then come from the wall adapter. But if you dont want to charge your phone all of the way, then thats when you dont leave it plugged in all night unless you have a circuit to disconnect power at a certain battery percentage. Oh man that gives me an idea.
I should make a small circuit thats linked via bluetooth to an app, so pretty much a power adapter that you plug your phone into, but once you reach a certain percentage, the phone tells the adapter to cut power and only turn on to get it back up to that certain percentage.
Okay that was really side tracked.
Back to the post.
Like Craz said, brightness and radios.
If you are rooted, download KA or EXKM and underclock your cpu, thatll help out a bit, also if rooted you could try a custom kernel
Root:
Force Doze
Naptime
Greenify
Custom kernel
CPU underclock
Use tasker to limit cpu speed when screen off or in certain apps
Non Root:
Dark themes
Lower brightness
Make sure apps arent running in the background that use a lot of power
Disable location services
Disable radios unless in use (tasker helps especially with root)
If you plan to have your phone for over a year or two, then the charge limits, but capacity wont change much within the first few hundred cycles
Use Wifi as much as possible (cell uses more power)
Disable screen off gestures
Make sure doze and advanced optimizations are enabled
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yes it will on many cases, but I can't tell with the OP5. Is the circuit will cut-off the battery from the phone to avoid drain? If yes, in that case, it won't hurt significantly the battery.
In general , what can hurt li based batteries : time, heat and numbers of time of electrons changing direction.
Having the phone plugged in, every X time the % will drop, and the charging circuit will trigger the battery.
As I said, can't tell how op5 is working, and it probably be minimal anyway. But technically it will reduce the capacity : http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
Heat : 20W charger, even if its a vooc, at one point the battery will get a high current load = heat, and chemical li-po arrangement changes.
Time : cant do nothing here, chemical arrangement will degrade, its a normal process for most battery, specially li based one.
But at the end, not much people would see any difference, since nowadays people changing their phone every 1-2 years, fck ridiculous...
Back to topic :
Pixel off apps , many of them on the play strore, can't tell which one is good or not.
Basically, it will turn off pixels on the screen.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.anrapps.pixelbatterysaver&hl=fr

i find if i turn off the wifi always scanning feature and also turn off keep wifi on during sleep saves battery. actually i keep all wifi off unless i'm currently using it. as already mentioned, location services off, since i keep phone on all the time i get data through that. i've experienced battery times up to 6 days if calls in&out are 10 or lower each day and each call no more than 3 min, i'm a firm believer in hello, just facts, goodbye. i know people that live life via a phone find that strange but they will die of brain cancer not me. my neighbor is on phone no less than 7 hours a day just bullsh*tting and he talks real funny, i think his brain is rotting already. check to see which apps run all the time and kill those you do not need. as mentioned, lower screen brightness. 90% of the time mine is a couple clicks from as low as it can be and it is fine. i'd do the dark thing but it f*cks with my eyes. keep all apps closed you are not presently using instead of loaded in background.

dkryder said:
i find if i turn off the wifi always scanning feature and also turn off keep wifi on during sleep saves battery. actually i keep all wifi off unless i'm currently using it. as already mentioned, location services off, since i keep phone on all the time i get data through that. i've experienced battery times up to 6 days if calls in&out are 10 or lower each day and each call no more than 3 min, i'm a firm believer in hello, just facts, goodbye. i know people that live life via a phone find that strange but they will die of brain cancer not me. my neighbor is on phone no less than 7 hours a day just bullsh*tting and he talks real funny, i think his brain is rotting already. check to see which apps run all the time and kill those you do not need. as mentioned, lower screen brightness. 90% of the time mine is a couple clicks from as low as it can be and it is fine. i'd do the dark thing but it f*cks with my eyes. keep all apps closed you are not presently using instead of loaded in background.
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I can't really tell if you are joking about the brain cancer part or not. Some people might take you seriously

shangxor said:
I can't really tell if you are joking about the brain cancer part or not. Some people might take you seriously
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oh, sorry about that.
https://www.jrselectrohealth.com/in...ween-1985-and-2015-in-the-u-k/?c=cf13ce20305c

dkryder said:
oh, sorry about that.
https://www.jrselectrohealth.com/in...ween-1985-and-2015-in-the-u-k/?c=cf13ce20305c
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"While the new plots in themselves say nothing about any possible links between cell phones and brain tumors, they go a long way toward puncturing the argument offered by numerous public health officials and media outlets that such an association is highly unlikely because the overall incidence of brain tumors has remained relatively stable over the last number of years."
http://microwavenews.com/short-takes-archive/changing-mix-uk-bts
He had based part of his study on incorrect data also.

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shangxor said:
"While the new plots in themselves say nothing about any possible links between cell phones and brain tumors, they go a long way toward puncturing the argument offered by numerous public health officials and media outlets that such an association is highly unlikely because the overall incidence of brain tumors has remained relatively stable over the last number of years."
http://microwavenews.com/short-takes-archive/changing-mix-uk-bts
He had based part of his study on incorrect data also.
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yes, i offered the link as a punchline to your comment about joking. however i do have a question about your comment,
"He had based part of his study on incorrect data also"
why didn't you include the part of the study and the incorrect data? because, when statement like this is made it is left to the reader to determine the part of the study and the incorrect data which may lead to misunderstandings.