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Speaker not fully duplex?

Hi,
I have a very weird problem with my Tytn II, which I bought little over a week now.
People I was talking to complained they didn't hear me very good, the sound appeared to drop. It occured to me that it was happening when I used the speaker (handsfree) of the phone.
I did some testing, and this is what happens:
I (with the Tytn II) call person X, and when I and person X are talking together, person X cannot hear me, the sound on his side simply fades to nothing, until 1 of us keeps quiet. The same happens when for example sound from my car is picked up by the phone, thus resulting in the device not being usable in the car, since there's always some noise. I however on my side keep hearing person X, it's person X that doesn't hear me.
It happens with 2 sim cards, everyone I call, did a hard reset, HTC support doesn't know the problem...
I'm puzzled. Can anyone suggest anything? Or is it faulty?
Thanks

no, mine does the same thing. I got it a few days ago and when i used speaker while driving, i could hear the other person perfect, but they cant seem to hear me. It feels like half duplex. i hope this is fixable

Damn, it seems widespread then...?
Anyone who can test it?

maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up

ziddey said:
maybe it has to do with whatever noise cancelling algorithm is in effect is mucking everything up
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Meaning that every single device would have this, and thus mine not being faulty?

I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also

downnootje said:
I had the same problem but remembered that there was an automatic sound function which turns down the volume when talking is too hard and turns it up when to soft. Its called microphone agc and you can find it under system configuration. Now that it's turned off my dutch htc tytn II works fine in handsfree mode. Hoop this helps you also
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It's already turned off :-( .
However, I just called with HTC, and they said it's because of the mic and the speaker being too close to each other, and thus it compensates.
They say every model has it however, they did a test today and the result was that it was a feature, not a bug...
Anyone here who does not have it on his device?

I have this problem all the time, both on speaker and just using the phone to my ear as normal.
People complain I am very quiet or that the sound is choppy and I sound like a robot
I used to have this problem on the O2 XDA IIs a few years ago.

Anyone else have it too? I'd like to know asap if this device is faulty, or if it's normal?
Sometimes, it seems that when I'm holding it to my ear, the sound seem to drop on the other side too...

I have exactly the same problem. People have trouble hearing me with loudspeaker switched on. Without speaker they can hear me perfectly.

I have the same problem too. Just try to disable the Microphone AGC thing and it fixes the problem. Thanks downnootje.

I have teh same problem , but I tried something and it is improved the Operation , try to minimize the Speaker volume to the minimum level and then it improes a little and it works for me ; not all the time but that is what we can do at the moment

I'm convinced now that it's a mojor problem.
Mine even got worse: since yesterday, it's happening without handsfree too, people can't almost hear me when I just hold it to my ear...
Is this a phone still, or can't it be used as such?

try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it

Me too. Juz got my set 2 days back. The other party hears my voice intermittently chop-off...
I have faced the similar problem on a particular China-made TV phone too. Tested two other units of the same model still the same. It seems to me the phone design issue, as after I changed to another model of China-made TV phone, the problem solved.
Sigh! Already got this expensive phone, think have to bear with this feature then if it is really cannot be resolved by new ROM.

same problem
i have the same problem...with my 8525 when I was on the train or in a similar noisy situation i never had any trouble with people hearing me on the other end...with the tilt i can't even carry on a conversation on the train...i called tech support and they told me to swap it out for a new one.

ziploker said:
try enableing Microphone AGC thing, restart phone, and disable it
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I've tried that and it doesn't help! Quite sad about it. I need to use speaker handsfree especially during driving.... Don't really like to hook-up the headset or BT headset... too messy for wired headset and too tedius (charging) for BT headset...

Now that I know its half duplex it works pretty well in the car - I just wait for the other person to stop talking
Surur

I will be sending mine to HTC for a planned hardware fix as they agreed there is a defect that affects all kaiser and tilts, but NOT the MDA VARIO III. this is a known issue and is hardware related. Good news for those who havent purchased one yet. I will sell mine on ebay if they dont asign me a RA soon. I rather have the MDA VARIO III as it has 2 cams.

(doesnt your HTC TYTN2 has 2 camera's?)
Same problem here. Hope for a sollution soon!
Will call HTC too soon, so theyll have more complaints about this defect.

How widespread is this problem?

I'm on my second tilt. I returned the first one because it was impossible for me to carry on a conversation on the railroad to and from work (or in other mildly noisy situations). While I have no issues hearing the person on the other end, my voice cuts in and out to such an extent that I cannot carry on a conversation. This occurs in the morning on relatively empty trains and in the evening on crowded trains.
There is another thread in which most people have been complaining about the quality on the other end when using the speakerphone, but some had a problem similar to mine as well. AT&T claims that this has not yet been identified as a widespread issue with the device, but before I really raise a stink with them, I wanted to find out if this was really a widespread issue or not.
If this is to ultimately be useful to others, I guess it makes sense to identify which version of the Kaiser you are using.
Thanks.

Turn on Automatic Gain Control
Start / Settings / System / Microphone AGC
"Enable"
*really* helps voice quality a lot.
DLD

One of the main reasons i upgraded to the tilt (it was a huge upgrade, basic phone to a all-in-one phone) was because my phone calls dropped all the time. I thought it was because of the phone (it was old, been dropped ALOT), but I'm beginning to wonder. when talking on the tilt the other day, the other person complained that i was dropping in and out. i was pacing on the upstairs of the house, and kept passing TVs, computers and their moniters and past the wireless router, so it could be that, but, again, i don't know for sure.

That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!

mjizzy said:
That's funny, in the other thread people were saying to turn it off. It is off by default on the tilt so I never bothered to turn it on (yes, I'm a noob...). I'll give it a try...thanks!
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Yes, it's a curious thing the AGC. In a way it would be helpful to have a hard key for it because how well or badly it works depends on the background noise level. So in some situations you might want it off and even in the same conversation you might want it on. Also it's behaviour is affected by whether you are on speaker phone where volume level and feedback become issues. (Not the easiest thing to test out either!)
Mike

Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.

clippy said:
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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That's very good to hear.

I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.

TroyBoy30 said:
I thought AGC only Adjusts the volume of your voice automatically when you are recording.
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It does help, but only slightly when calling on my device.

It seems to help on my tilt as well, but I really haven't had much of a chance to test it out. I will say that, however small the sample size (and assuming it is random), it is somewhat comforting that most respondants have not had any problems at all. Maybe ours are just from a bad batch. I'm going to try calling AT&T to see if they'll swap mine out again.

I just got off the phone with HTC support again (here in Belgium). He URGED me that everybody that has the problem would report it: the more requests on the problem they receive, the faster they will start developing a fix.
So everybody, start calling HTC support and ask they make a ticket for it!

clippy said:
Weird, I have it both with or without the speaker.
HTC contacted me today, saying that the problem is now known with them, so they are searching for a solution.
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i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!

My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.

RemE said:
My 2 cents on AGC, auto-gain automatically turns up the mic volume to capture "light" low volume sounds. It would really help capture a wispering speaker in a quiet room. On a loud train it should automatically turn it's gain down because of the loud ambient noise and I would expect the speakers voice to be harder to hear by the other party.
In a loud place I'd say turn it off, but as always, your own trials will tell what's best for you.
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so in resume, TyTN II / Kaiser Speaker phone SUX
this is a very important feature in a phone, i don't care if it's the best PDA phone in the world... a good phone must respond as a good phone and the Kaiser doesnt...

rocho said:
i hope they can make a fix... common htc how come thei never faced this problem on their test .. cant believe it!
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Did you already contact HTC?

In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.

xmoo said:
In some cases. Yes, but I only have issues with people hearing me while using the speakerphone.
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With my device, the sounds also drops when I'm calling with the phone held to my ear :-(. Doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Calling HTC
I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...

mjizzy said:
I called HTC America (HTC India is more like it) to report the issue. They were very thankful and apologetic and mentioned the possibility of getting a new device. He said he was going to dispatch an e-mail about the issue to HQ immediately and that they would be sitting down with AT&T in the near future (as they do 30 days after a new phone is released with a given carrier) and would do his best to make sure the issue is addressed at that time.
Here's hoping...
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I've reported the issue to the HTC authorised service center close to 2 weeks ago. When I called up the service center, their reply is : no response from the HTC Taiwan yet..... What a surprising innocent reply from them!!!! As if they have never got any feedback on such issue before!

Hi
I wonder if the problem is caused by excessive volume of the in built earpiece? Do you have this up on maximum or high?
The inbuilt earpiece goes very loud and so the sound would easily be picked up by the microphone causing it to behave similar to when you have it on speaker phone as it tries to stop feedback and echo.
There isn't a lot that can be done about this apart from turning down the earpiece volume or using a wired headphones with mic. It may be worth turning down your volume on the earpiece to see if it improves.
Regards
Phil

People cannot hear me........

During calls there comes a moment that people are complaining that they cannot hear me. When i move the jog dial upwards (hence increasing volume) they say that they can hear me ok. I have not experienced this using the bluetooth headset. Maybe a hardware problem??
By the way i used 5 different radios and upgraded also to 6.1.
Anyone experiencing this?
Any solution?
Thanks

same problem and i didnt find any solution ! But my phone came back from the HTC support for another problem, I will check it...

i had same problem was faulty phone so i got it swapped

aaronwillis said:
i had same problem was faulty phone so i got it swapped
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did you send it for this reason?

well my mic was buggered
people would say one min they can here me next they cant
and it would like fade in and out
orange where usless and said they wanted to test it but in the end i went back told them i wanted a new one
and since then i have had no problems

If you can't hear me it means I'm in Parentheses. ))

i guess i have to sent it back then, s*** i have to to revert to original rom now.

anyone else with the problem?

ok you say it is a hardware problem. I did the following: i was speaking continuously for 2 minutes on the mic and i was recording it. When i tried to listen to the recording everything seemed to work excellent. So i guess is not a mic - hardware problem. S*** i am going crazy........

Did you flash with the appropriate radio?

i've had the same problem with my speaker phone; i can hear the calling party; but they cannot hear me; it does not happen all the time; but more often than not (more than 50% of the time).
A person in another forum suggested turning the volume down to half when using the speaker phone so it will work (though it is difficult to hear the calling party when volume is that low).
I know this is unrelated to blue tooth issue; but there seems to be some sort of audio glitch that is similar in both the blue tooth and speaker phone so one has to wonder if there is some type of related root cause to both problems???

hello77 said:
i've had the same problem with my speaker phone; i can hear the calling party; but they cannot hear me; it does not happen all the time; but more often than not (more than 50% of the time).
A person in another forum suggested turning the volume down to half when using the speaker phone so it will work (though it is difficult to hear the calling party when volume is that low).
I know this is unrelated to blue tooth issue; but there seems to be some sort of audio glitch that is similar in both the blue tooth and speaker phone so one has to wonder if there is some type of related root cause to both problems???
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when i use bt the problem disappears so i think it has to do with the functionality of the mic?

Well finally after 1.5 month i got back my phone from ACE HELLAS. The problem remains the same although i was told that the microphone and earphone were replaced by new ones. If they are telling the truth and they did change it it means that we are facing a kind of software problem.........

I had the problem, too. I tried dozends of radio roms but problems continued.
After 5 months of trying I repace my VPA Compact V (aka v1615) and now the problem has dissapeared...
So it seems to me that it is a hardware problem of one production run.
Melkor

HD7 Speaker to low

Hi everybody,
last week i got my HD7 but there's a reallyyyyy big problem. the speaker. if i listen to music or alarm clock, the sound is soooooo low, i don't even hear my alarm clock, that really sucks. has anybody else such a problem and is there any solution ? i already resettet the phone but still the problem exists.
THX

I find the ringtone and alarm to be loud, but when listening to media, a voice call and speaker phone are all quite low.

Judging from the other threads that were suggested when you started yours (attached), then yes, other people do have this problem.
We believe it is a software issue as in places the speaker is incredibly loud (games for example). Let's hope its fixed with an update, and let's hope you learn how to use the forum tools (such as search )

Audio said:
Judging from the other threads that were suggested when you started yours (attached), then yes, other people do have this problem.
We believe it is a software issue as in places the speaker is incredibly loud (games for example). Let's hope its fixed with an update, and let's hope you learn how to use the forum tools (such as search )
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We had one update already and what nothing. It seems it's not important. I have the same problem as well. I tried to modify registry but nothing changed.

Agreed, they are taking their time with the updates, after all this first update was an update to get ready for the next update. What's all that about?
As i said, all we can do is hope.

in my experience if you use a headset, volume in phone calls is much louder
otherwise it's very annoying, especially when you're outside and there's background noise, i usually have to pretend it's very windy so i can ask people to constantly repeat what they say

nick109 said:
in my experience if you use a headset, volume in phone calls is much louder
otherwise it's very annoying, especially when you're outside and there's background noise, i usually have to pretend it's very windy so i can ask people to constantly repeat what they say
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Lmao this is funny
*Sent from Carmen diva*

more recent firmware updates (available here on XDA devs) solve this issue.
I flashed my O2 HD7 with the latest rom and the volume has increased.

@scoob101 which rom did you flash on to it?

scoob101 said:
more recent firmware updates (available here on XDA devs) solve this issue.
I flashed my O2 HD7 with the latest rom and the volume has increased.
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do you have a link to the new rom

[Q] Can people hear you when you have calls on speakerphone?

Hey people,
I have quite a few issues with my new Z3 Compact. This is my second post here (link to first http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/mobile-data-disappears-reboot-t2899890?nocache=1 )..
My question is as follows: Do you guys also have the issue, that the other person in a call can't hear you when you have the call on loudspeaker? It happens to me every time I do it, and as soon as I toggle the speaker off, and use the phone normally up to the ear there is no problem.
This was never an issue with my Galaxy S3 fortunately, but now it is.
Also, any ideas for a fix?
Thank you in advance

Zylian91 said:
Hey people,
I have quite a few issues with my new Z3 Compact. This is my second post here (link to first http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/mobile-data-disappears-reboot-t2899890?nocache=1 )..
My question is as follows: Do you guys also have the issue, that the other person in a call can't hear you when you have the call on loudspeaker? It happens to me every time I do it, and as soon as I toggle the speaker off, and use the phone normally up to the ear there is no problem.
This was never an issue with my Galaxy S3 fortunately, but now it is.
Also, any ideas for a fix?
Thank you in advance
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Working fine here. Could be so that you're speaker input is broken. Normal call and speaker phone doesn't use the same input.

tribemac said:
Working fine here. Could be so that you're speaker input is broken. Normal call and speaker phone doesn't use the same input.
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I am sorry, I didn't explain well enough. They can hear me, my voice is just muffled they say.
I can't wait for cyanogenmod to get to this phone I am having a bunch of software issues

I have the same issue. Usually only happens when you are too close to the mic and you have to be close because the speakerphone is not loud enough
Try speaking a little further away.