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I'm new to Android and tablets and have never had a smart phone. However, I am in the computer field and am relatively technical. At the very least, I'm intelligent and can follow clear directions.
Where I'm running into trouble is that, because this is all so new to me, I'm lost when reading a lot of these forums, because I have no idea what all these terms mean or what things are.
Here's where I'm at with my Nook Color. Got it a week ago, rooted it with AutoNooter 3.0, got ADB working (finally) over USB. YouTube works. Can get my email. Using Launcher Pro and Dolphin HD. That's about it.
I'm unclear about a few things, and I realize they're pretty basic. But I've searched and searched and can't find clear answers. Hopefully, someone here can help me:
1. How do I know what version of Android I've got on this thing. Nowhere can I find a place to see the version number. And the AutoNooter 3.0 page didn't tell me what version it installs. 2.2?
2. Does Flash work on this or not? This is related to question 1, because I need to at least know what Android version I'm using before I can even beging to search to figure out whether Flash works with it.
3. What is CM7?
4. I tried installing Flash101.apk with ADB, but get the message: INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK. Again, I'd like to know what this means, but what I've read says the Flash version is for an newer Android version. So, we're back to... what version of Android is on this thing?
As fas as the rest, does anyone know if there's anything out there that goes over basic terms for those of us completely new to Android and tablets/phones and rooting them? Much of the instructions I read refer to things I've never heard of and, when I try looking up those terms, I just get more terms I've never heard of.
Thanks!
1) You have 2.1 (Eclair)
2) No, you need 2.2. There are several options, including simply running it from an SD card or flashing it to memory (eMMC)
3) CM7 is andrioid 2.3. Good stuff, but still a work in progress.
4) See #2
Thanks very much for responding.
Regarding your answers:
1. Is there a place on the Nook where I can find this?
2. Can you recommend a link to a method for getting this? Is it an upgrade, or would I be completely re-rooting this thing and having to reconfigure everything?
Any suggestions on some basic information for newbies?
Thanks again!
Sorry, I don't think I understand the question. Could you specify what you mean by "this"? Thanks.
Sorry, not sure which question you're referring to.
1. This = The version currently running on it.
2. This = Version 2.2
I can't be certian since I have moved to a CM7 variant, but I think it might be under settings either about or device information.
If you rooted with Autonooter you are on Android 2.1 Eclair. If you are running a froyo rom you are on Android 2.2. If on a CM7 based Rom you are on gingerbread android 2.3
loribuono said:
I'm new to Android and tablets and have never had a smart phone. However, I am in the computer field and am relatively technical. At the very least, I'm intelligent and can follow clear directions.
Where I'm running into trouble is that, because this is all so new to me, I'm lost when reading a lot of these forums, because I have no idea what all these terms mean or what things are.
Here's where I'm at with my Nook Color. Got it a week ago, rooted it with AutoNooter 3.0, got ADB working (finally) over USB. YouTube works. Can get my email. Using Launcher Pro and Dolphin HD. That's about it.
I'm unclear about a few things, and I realize they're pretty basic. But I've searched and searched and can't find clear answers. Hopefully, someone here can help me:
1. How do I know what version of Android I've got on this thing. Nowhere can I find a place to see the version number. And the AutoNooter 3.0 page didn't tell me what version it installs. 2.2?
2. Does Flash work on this or not? This is related to question 1, because I need to at least know what Android version I'm using before I can even beging to search to figure out whether Flash works with it.
3. What is CM7?
4. I tried installing Flash101.apk with ADB, but get the message: INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK. Again, I'd like to know what this means, but what I've read says the Flash version is for an newer Android version. So, we're back to... what version of Android is on this thing?
As fas as the rest, does anyone know if there's anything out there that goes over basic terms for those of us completely new to Android and tablets/phones and rooting them? Much of the instructions I read refer to things I've never heard of and, when I try looking up those terms, I just get more terms I've never heard of.
Thanks!
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CM7 (Cyanogenmod 7) is a custom rom, which is a custom operating system that replaces your current one. If you are not familiar with Android yet or rooting, I would stick with autnooter for now. Phiremod beta 2 is a stable custom rom with flash, but you need clockwork recovery first to install it.
Yeah, checked those places Wile E, but didn't see it there. Thanks, though.
stelv, would that run off the card or internally? If it runs off the card, I could try it out without messing up what I've already got, right?
loribuono said:
stelv, would that run off the card or internally? If it runs off the card, I could try it out without messing up what I've already got, right?
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Most custom rom installs (phiremod) would erase what you have now completely. You would have to redownload programs and use the nook color app from market for books. You could use titanium backup to backup and restore apps. There is a thread here and on androidtablets.net for phiremod beta 2.
But there may be a version of froyo that runs off sdcard but I am not sure how stable that is. If you are running froyo from an sdcard and mess with the nook internally, it may mess your nook up when you remove the card and try to go back to your old setup.
The good thing with the beta 2 version of phiremod is that you can restore a previous version of the nook from the clockwork recovery menu if you have cwr installed. That is if you make a backup first through cwr on your autonooter version of nook.
If you decide to go the route of a custom rom I would check out the how to on androidtablets.net about clockworkmod recovery first.
sent from my rooted nook color
Thanks for all the info. When you say "custom roms," are you referring to any rooting of your Nook Color? Is the version of Android I have after running the AutoNooter 3.0 considered a custom rom? Or did I just merely strip off some of the "skin" Barnes & Noble has on there, 'cause it didn't seem very much like I'd started over, but more like I "got past" something that was already on there and, therefore, opened up more functionality. Does that make any sense? I'm getting the feeling that Nookie Froyo and CM7 completely wipe your Nook and give you a fresh OS. Yes?
loribuono said:
Thanks for all the info. When you say "custom roms," are you referring to any rooting of your Nook Color? Is the version of Android I have after running the AutoNooter 3.0 considered a custom rom? Or did I just merely strip off some of the "skin" Barnes & Noble has on there, 'cause it didn't seem very much like I'd started over, but more like I "got past" something that was already on there and, therefore, opened up more functionality. Does that make any sense? I'm getting the feeling that Nookie Froyo and CM7 completely wipe your Nook and give you a fresh OS. Yes?
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Ok here is another long book by me, sorry for the long posts
Yes, Nookie Froyo, CM7, Phiremod give you an entirely new OS.
Custom roms are not any rooting. They are entirely different android operating systems so to speak. Most require one to wipe the devices internal Rom (Read Only Memory) in order to put a new one on. This is sort of risky as it erases everything, but is made less risky by using stable custom roms in combo with clockwork recovery. If the internal memory gets messed up and the procedures for instaling a custom rom are not followed or an error happens, your device will be unusable until fixed (fixed usually by booting CWR off sdcard and installing a stock image). Please do research and ask around XDA or androidtablets before installing a custom rom to know what the ups and downs of it are.
Also please keep in mind on the Nook certain Roms like CM7 require a different version of CWR and require a workaround to work as of now. It can be kind of tricky to install. Phiremod Beta2 can be installed through normal recovery. Check us out over at http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook/ if you want. There are a lot of useful guides over there.
Yes autonooter just opens up functionality
Autonooter is not a custom Rom. It is just the method of rooting or unlocking your android device. Rooting an Android device makes you system administrator of the device. This is so you can do things beyond what B&N lets you do with the device like use the Android market.
This is what I did with my Nook. Autnootered it>installed Clockwork Recovery>Made a backup with Clockwork Recovery>Then Installed Phiremod beta2 through clockwork recovery as per the instructions for that rom
Thanks again for this. I appreciate you taking the time to explain this to a newbie. It's beginning to make much more sense now. For now, I'll stick with what I've got, keep reading and then go from there.
Ugh. Authentication error while reading a book and then a reset, and I'm back to the beginning. Except worse, because even navigation while reading a book doesn't work right. Anyone experience this?
Sorry I don't have that issues so I am not sure. Maybe its a password issue?
Perhaps. Don't know. Starting over from scratch. All I know is that it happened when I was merely reading a book, about ten minutes after trying to login to Google Talk with a different Google account than the one I used during the AutoNooter process.
Who knows...
I have a Telus Milestone that I just updated to Android 2.2 official and now I am looking to install Gingerbread on it.
Just wondered if there was an easy to follow guide to accomplish this, or if anyone could give me some help as I have never attempted anything like this before.
Thanks.
Flash VR and use AOR to apply CM7.
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sileshn said:
Flash VR and use AOR to apply CM7.
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Is CM7 better than the ShadowMOD ROM of Gingerbread?
I'm looking for something that is stable and speedy and without a lot of bugs.
Also, where do I begin?
I'm assuming that I have to root the phone first and then flash the ROM onto the phone?
AndroRogue said:
Is CM7 better than the ShadowMOD ROM of Gingerbread?
I'm looking for something that is stable and speedy and without a lot of bugs.
Also, where do I begin?
I'm assuming that I have to root the phone first and then flash the ROM onto the phone?
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Looking for this info myself...
AndroRogue said:
Is CM7 better than the ShadowMOD ROM of Gingerbread?
I'm looking for something that is stable and speedy and without a lot of bugs.
Also, where do I begin?
I'm assuming that I have to root the phone first and then flash the ROM onto the phone?
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Well, You have to use both to see which suits you better. I would flash CM7 now and wait for Edgar to release his next version which is expected by the end of the coming week.
You need not root your phone. You need to flash the vulnerable recovery to be able to run Androidiani OR. Once you flash CM7, your phone will be rooted automatically.
AndroRogue said:
Is CM7 better than the ShadowMOD ROM of Gingerbread?
I'm looking for something that is stable and speedy and without a lot of bugs.
Also, where do I begin?
I'm assuming that I have to root the phone first and then flash the ROM onto the phone?
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Well, You have to use both to see which suits you better. I would flash CM7 now and wait for Edgar to release his next version which is expected by the end of the coming week.
You need not root your phone. You need to flash the vulnerable recovery to be able to run Androidiani OR. Once you flash CM7, your phone will be rooted automatically.
You can also try FroyoMOD, Ice&fire ( based on CM7 ) and HONO's mod ( based on CM7 )
Umm, pretty sure we cant use CM7, cause it changes the kernel or something
I just used Androidani Open Recovery or whatever its called to apply the CM7 and it temporarily bricked my phone, thankfully i did a nandroid backup and its rebooting as i type, whew
awarbrick89 said:
Umm, pretty sure we cant use CM7, cause it changes the kernel or something
I just used Androidani Open Recovery or whatever its called to apply the CM7 and it temporarily bricked my phone, thankfully i did a nandroid backup and its rebooting as i type, whew
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What do you think about this thread? And what do you mean by temporary brick?
Check my post
Hi,
I have made a small series of videos doing just that, check this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1008044
Just wondered if all of this is safe, or if it opens up your phone to security risks, such as when people jailbroke their iPhones and didn't change the root password.
thanks
Can anyone offer any insight on the security risks of installing Gingerbread on a Milestone?
thanks
AndroRogue said:
Can anyone offer any insight on the security risks of installing Gingerbread on a Milestone?
thanks
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As far as I know, there aren't any glaring security risks that have been discussed at all. Seeing as Gingerbread is really just based off of the 2.2.1/2.2.2 kernel, I don't see any risks associated.
Thanks for all of the help guys, but I have decided that it may just be too much for me.
I had an original iphone which I jailbroke and installed apps on, but that was years ago. Ever since then I hadn't really messed around with hacking my phone and now I am hesitant to start again, especially with a new os.
AndroRogue said:
Thanks for all of the help guys, but I have decided that it may just be too much for me.
I had an original iphone which I jailbroke and installed apps on, but that was years ago. Ever since then I hadn't really messed around with hacking my phone and now I am hesitant to start again, especially with a new os.
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All of the tutorials in the development forums are fairly straightforward. Also, I have compiled a tutorial ZIP that I have given to a few people, if you want. I made about 40 steps from start to finish. It's up to you.
Really thought that Gingerbread would rekindle some interest in me for my Milestone, but I think I am gonna trade it away especially sine I have my Nexus One
skadude66 said:
All of the tutorials in the development forums are fairly straightforward. Also, I have compiled a tutorial ZIP that I have given to a few people, if you want. I made about 40 steps from start to finish. It's up to you.
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40 steps?
Well I guess all the little baby steps included but basically,
1. Put AOR on sdcard with cm7.
2. Flash vulnerable recovery
3. Load AOR and flash cm7.
edit: 4. Add V6 SuperCharger as an upgrade option... lol
bazinga!
zeppelinrox said:
40 steps?
Well I guess all the little baby steps included but basically,
1. Put AOR on sdcard with cm7.
2. Flash vulnerable recovery
3. Load AOR and flash cm7.
edit: 4. Add V6 SuperCharger as an upgrade option... lol
bazinga!
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Yeah, all of those little questions that you think people never ask but do? They're in there
Bazinga!
Why do you think my script is over 800 lines?
Actually, 847 at the moment... (reformatting to 40 columns and tweaking a bit)
That reminds me I gotta send you a PM
Come on.. nothing is too hard mate! If you can pass your school exams, these will be a piece of cake! Just that you need some spare time, and an internet connection for you to post back to XDA just in case it didn't work out very well.. now don't be scared, the chances are very unlikely if you read and follow all the instructions properly.
I'd be interested by that zip if you still got it!
As of now, I'm confused about the Telus Milestone on 2.2.1, are there issues to root it or not?
What version is your cm7? latest build I saw was 2.3.7 but I don't know if its telus-friendly...
zeppelinrox said:
40 steps?
Well I guess all the little baby steps included but basically,
1. Put AOR on sdcard with cm7.
2. Flash vulnerable recovery
3. Load AOR and flash cm7.
edit: 4. Add V6 SuperCharger as an upgrade option... lol
bazinga!
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Hi All,
Just joined the forums today after a few weeks browsing. I must say I am very impressed with the level of knowledge here and how helpful people are to others, especially noobs like me
Anyway, I got a nook color, but I am in Ireland, so I can't register it, that didn't worry me too much, because I wanted to root it, and after much reading on these forums I decided to use CM7.
My build at the moment is as follows, built with Clockwork,
CM7 RC4,
Dalingrins's OC kernel emmc 0413A,
Alsa 041411
First thanks to all the people who made the mods/ kernels etc Your work is really appreciated I am loving the nook color now with the mods.
I just have a few very basic questions, lol and I am still getting to grips with the right terminology
1. Does it matter which way I install mods/kernels etc? I understood that you had to install the CM7 mod first, but, for Dalingrin's OC kernel and Alsa, I installed the kernel first than Alsa, or does it matter?
2. If a new kernel comes out, or an update to Alsa, do I have to uninstall the old one? Or can I just boot into recovery mode wipe the caches and install the updates?
3. Same question for the CM7 mod, If I want to try some of the nightlies, can I just put the nightly on an SD card, wipe caches and install it the same way I did the RC4 version? will I have to reinstall the other kernels if I do this?
4. What happens my data and apps if I do update CM7?
5. I made a backup on the SD card using clockwork. Is this just a backup of the system files? or is it a backup of data and apps as well?
6. I am trying to learn more about this, in performance settings there is a thing called VM heapsize. Is there a recommended value for this?
7. And in the CPU settings there are a number of options available under "available governors" what are govenors? and which one is best? Is there an explaination available for each one?
That's all the questions I have for now. Very sorry if these have been answered a million times already!!
reaper12 said:
Hi All,
Just joined the forums today after a few weeks browsing. I must say I am very impressed with the level of knowledge here and how helpful people are to others, especially noobs like me
Anyway, I got a nook color, but I am in Ireland, so I can't register it, that didn't worry me too much, because I wanted to root it, and after much reading on these forums I decided to use CM7.
My build at the moment is as follows, built with Clockwork,
CM7 RC4,
Dalingrins's OC kernel emmc 0413A,
Alsa 041411
First thanks to all the people who made the mods/ kernels etc Your work is really appreciated I am loving the nook color now with the mods.
I just have a few very basic questions, lol and I am still getting to grips with the right terminology
1. Does it matter which way I install mods/kernels etc? I understood that you had to install the CM7 mod first, but, for Dalingrin's OC kernel and Alsa, I installed the kernel first than Alsa, or does it matter?
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Although I haven't installed Alsa, I doubt that the order matters.
2. If a new kernel comes out, or an update to Alsa, do I have to uninstall the old one? Or can I just boot into recovery mode wipe the caches and install the updates?
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You should be able to upgrade with CWR. I have CM7 on a SD card and just add the new kernel and boot into recovery mode.
3. Same question for the CM7 mod, If I want to try some of the nightlies, can I just put the nightly on an SD card, wipe caches and install it the same way I did the RC4 version? will I have to reinstall the other kernels if I do this?
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Since the nightly has its own kernel, you will need to reinstall the OC kernel.
4. What happens my data and apps if I do update CM7?
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They shouldn't be affected.
I'll leave your other questions to someone else, since I haven't dealt with these issues.
thanks for tthe reply Bob.
Can anyone add anything for the last few questions?
Hi all, in a couple of days time I will be receiving my first ever Android device, the Motorola Milestone. I've already done some research on the phone as well as on Android itself, and understood most of the necessary basics. However, there are still many things I don't understand quite yet, and would like some help with clarifying them.
My first question is regarding the custom roms. I myself have been a long time user of Windows Mobile so I know most of the stuff that is relevant to Android as well. From what I know, the bootloader on the Milestone is still locked, but people have found ways to load custom roms on it. Can someone link me to the guide on how to do this? Now before someone tell me to search on the forum or on Google (which I already have), I just want to point out that the ones I found seemed to be outdated, and that they're for older Android versions??
My 2nd question is, do custom roms like IceandFire or Froyomod come with their own custom kernels? Because I want to be able to overclock my phone, and if it comes installed with its own kernel then I don't want to risk bricking it by flashing another kernel on top of it......I hope that makes sense??
3rd question is, which rom is the best for speed and battery? I'm guessing it's IceandFire and it builds upon the latest CM7?
And lastly, are there any crucial apps that you guys recommend I should install, or any tweaks etc I should use?
chaoscreater said:
Hi all, in a couple of days time I will be receiving my first ever Android device, the Motorola Milestone. I've already done some research on the phone as well as on Android itself, and understood most of the necessary basics. However, there are still many things I don't understand quite yet, and would like some help with clarifying them.
My first question is regarding the custom roms. I myself have been a long time user of Windows Mobile so I know most of the stuff that is relevant to Android as well. From what I know, the bootloader on the Milestone is still locked, but people have found ways to load custom roms on it. Can someone link me to the guide on how to do this? Now before someone tell me to search on the forum or on Google (which I already have), I just want to point out that the ones I found seemed to be outdated, and that they're for older Android versions??
My 2nd question is, do custom roms like IceandFire or Froyomod come with their own custom kernels? Because I want to be able to overclock my phone, and if it comes installed with its own kernel then I don't want to risk bricking it by flashing another kernel on top of it......I hope that makes sense??
3rd question is, which rom is the best for speed and battery? I'm guessing it's IceandFire and it builds upon the latest CM7?
And lastly, are there any crucial apps that you guys recommend I should install, or any tweaks etc I should use?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=983516
This is still the best way to get a custom ROM loaded up onto your phone. What you want to start with is flashing the vulnerable recovery from http://android.doshaska.net/rootable by using RSD Lite. To do so, you need to put the phone into Bootloader mode (power+Dpad-up) You can google RSD Lite, make sure you use the latest version along with the latest USB Driver version from Motorola.
RSD Lite is a very finicky program, if you have any errors flashing, your best bet would be to try this post: http://androidforums.com/droid-all-...hing-process-0x7100-rsd-lite.html#post1274587
Once you flash the VR (vulnerable recovery), you will want to put OpenRecovery on your SD Card. I recommend using OR 1.46 and placing FuFu's minimod on the SD Card as well. It will overwrite existing files in OR (look for it in Milestone Development). From here you can root the phone in OR (by using power+x, then camera+volume up) and reboot, backup all data you want saved, before flashing a ROM.
Once that is done, get the custom ROM that you want (I find speed + battery can be Cronos, CM7 or FroyoMOD for a Froyo ROM) and place it in OpenRecovery/updates. You will also want the most up-to-date version of Google Apps for Cronos or any Gingerbread ROM (except MIUI).
Gapps: http://goo-inside.me/gapps/gapps-gb-20110613-signed.zip
Now, turn the phone off, and put it into recovery mode (power+x, then camera+volume up), select apply update.zip and you are now into OpenRecovery.
Here is where you will flash your custom ROM and Gapps. Wipe both cache partition and dalvik cache, then wipe all data. Select Apply Update under Miscellaneous Menu and select the ROM you want. Once it is done, wipe both caches (not data) and flash Gapps. Wipe caches again. Finally, change the baseband to your country and reboot.
The first reboot will take a while, as the ROM is configuring itself for first time use.
That is how to flash a custom ROM and get started.
2- Custom kernels are not available for Milestone, as our bootloader is locked. Overclocking the phone is done through the 10overclock file in system/etc/init.d . All ROMs that I know of are overclock, most to 1GHz (from 550MHz). You will not be able to flash any kernels, and DO NOT try ROM Manager, it will temporarily brick your phone.
Crucial apps, I would say are Root Explorer, TitaniumBackup. Those are the two that are very useful for root users, if you flash multiple ROMs or need to access system files.
Hope this helped.
awesome, thanks for the reply mate!
Hmm 2 things i'm confused with. Isn't there an app called "Milestone Overclock" that lets u overclock without installing custom kernels?
Also, from what I know you need to have the bootloader unlocked in order to install custom roms. I already know that Motorola is still keeping the bootloader locked and that as of now, there isn't a way to unlock it. Then how come we can install custom roms?
Also, since you mentioned ROM Manager, I did a quick search and it seems to be able to manage multiple custom rom installs that you have. But then you said don't try it or it will brick the phone, so I don't understand whether I can install it or not?? Personally, I love testing out different roms as well as new builds. It would be nice to dual boot or choose between different roms to use. But i'm not sure whether I want to go forward with this since your comment implies to me that I shouldn't install Rom Manager?
Lastly, this is the part I found most confusing with Android (or with Windows Mobile as well). I found some guides that tells you to install Clockwork Recovery Mod or something like that. Some of them even mentioned using Nandroid or something. There seems to be different methods & tools/softwares for different devices (or even the same device) and it can be confusing to keep up with them. My question is, are there major differences between them? Which one is better and should I keep them up to date?
chaoscreater said:
awesome, thanks for the reply mate!
Hmm 2 things i'm confused with. Isn't there an app called "Milestone Overclock" that lets u overclock without installing custom kernels?
Also, from what I know you need to have the bootloader unlocked in order to install custom roms. I already know that Motorola is still keeping the bootloader locked and that as of now, there isn't a way to unlock it. Then how come we can install custom roms?
Also, since you mentioned ROM Manager, I did a quick search and it seems to be able to manage multiple custom rom installs that you have. But then you said don't try it or it will brick the phone, so I don't understand whether I can install it or not?? Personally, I love testing out different roms as well as new builds. It would be nice to dual boot or choose between different roms to use. But i'm not sure whether I want to go forward with this since your comment implies to me that I shouldn't install Rom Manager?
Lastly, this is the part I found most confusing with Android (or with Windows Mobile as well). I found some guides that tells you to install Clockwork Recovery Mod or something like that. Some of them even mentioned using Nandroid or something. There seems to be different methods & tools/softwares for different devices (or even the same device) and it can be confusing to keep up with them. My question is, are there major differences between them? Which one is better and should I keep them up to date?
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I have tried Milestone Overclock, but I never really used it to overclock the phone. I prefer changing the voltages and speeds with the 10overclock file. If you read the description of Milestone overclock, it "tricks" the kernel into thinking it's supposed to run at a certain speed.
ROM Manager and Clockwork Recovery Mod do not work on Milestone. The only recovery that works with the Milestone is OpenRecovery or Androidiani OpenRecovery. Unfortunately, the only way to flash the ROMs is through OR or AOR, so you will have to repeat the processes every single time. I have gotten used to where all of the options are for FuFu's Minimod, so I am able to do it quite efficiently
The best way to backup a ROM, system data and the such is by Nandroid backup. That is the only sort of backup that you can do. It is recommended to do one every time you flash a custom ROM, but I only did it after I rooted and before I flashed my first custom ROM. You can do it through OR. That is the only way that will work. CWM and ROM Manager will just temp brick the phone and you will have to reflash a stock SBF all over again.
i see.....in that case there's no way to install 2 different roms to allow dual booting then? What about the app "Boot Manager", will that work? I found it on this site here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ted-user-should-know-about-part-4-apps-26-33/
One last question, I came across this popular app that is recommended by many Android users, called Apps2SD. My understanding to this is that by default, any apps/games that you install on your device will install to the internal memory, and that this Apps2SD app basically lets you install to your memory card? So my question is, does this lag the phone somehow? I like to have many apps and especially games installed on my phone, would doing this affect the performance or something? I know this is the case for Windows Mobile, but not sure about Android.....
chaoscreater said:
i see.....in that case there's no way to install 2 different roms to allow dual booting then? What about the app "Boot Manager", will that work? I found it on this site here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ted-user-should-know-about-part-4-apps-26-33/
One last question, I came across this popular app that is recommended by many Android users, called Apps2SD. My understanding to this is that by default, any apps/games that you install on your device will install to the internal memory, and that this Apps2SD app basically lets you install to your memory card? So my question is, does this lag the phone somehow? I like to have many apps and especially games installed on my phone, would doing this affect the performance or something? I know this is the case for Windows Mobile, but not sure about Android.....
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I follow AndroidPolice as well. I don't know about Boot Manager, I heard about it, but I haven't heard any reviews of it yet.
Two things when it comes to phone storage and apps on the Milestone: Old hardware makes for a lot of games to not work at all, and low phone storage space.
Almost every ROM comes with apps2ext support, which is a more advanced version of Apps2SD. You can follow this tutorial here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10994672&postcount=226
Apps2ext will trick your phone into thinking space on the SD Card (the ext partition) is actually part of the phone's internal memory. You will be able to get a lot more apps on the phone this way.
Ahh cool, that saves me the trouble of me having to install an extra tweak.
Hmm I know Milestone is old, but not that old is it?? I don't know of any games now days that require heavy hardware specs or anything......i'm just hoping that emulators will work fine on it. I mean, my iPod Touch 3rd Gen only has about 120MB of free RAM, and the CPU is crap as hell and yet I could run GBA games like Pokemon or Golden Sun fine no problem (with sound of course). I'm hoping it'll at least work smoothly on the Milestone since I'll be attempting to overclock it to 1Ghz, which should run it significantly faster in theory.
BTW I found this great tweak for the CM7, here's the link:
http://chromloop.com/2011/07/how-to-make-cyanogenmod-7-for-milestone-a853-lighter-and-faster/
are there any ones similar to this? I'm a tweak junkie addict, I like to make my device run as smooth and as fast as possible. When I still had my HTC Touch Pro and Xperia X1, and even Nokia N900 (which uses Maemo 5), I tweaked the crap out of them and got more juice and power and made its performance so much better. I'm hoping I can at least do the same for the Milestone, except I couldn't seem to find many tweaks...
Oh lastly, I know one of the big problems with Android is fragmentation. There're already some apps out there in the Android market that are exclusive to certain Android versions. The same app has a version for Froyo (v2.2) and Gingerbread (v2.3). This is true for some of the mods or tweaks on XDA. So my question is, are custom roms like CM7 using Gingerbread? I'm guessing yes since it says 2.3.5? In that case, would I be able to simply install the latest mod/tweak or apps/games from XDA or the Android market? Or must I find the versions that is identical to mine?
E.g. if I install CM7, can I still install a mod that is for Froyo?
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Ahh cool, that saves me the trouble of me having to install an extra tweak.
Hmm I know Milestone is old, but not that old is it?? I don't know of any games now days that require heavy hardware specs or anything......i'm just hoping that emulators will work fine on it. I mean, my iPod Touch 3rd Gen only has about 120MB of free RAM, and the CPU is crap as hell and yet I could run GBA games like Pokemon or Golden Sun fine no problem (with sound of course). I'm hoping it'll at least work smoothly on the Milestone since I'll be attempting to overclock it to 1Ghz, which should run it significantly faster in theory.
BTW I found this great tweak for the CM7, here's the link:
http://chromloop.com/2011/07/how-to-make-cyanogenmod-7-for-milestone-a853-lighter-and-faster/
are there any ones similar to this? I'm a tweak junkie addict, I like to make my device run as smooth and as fast as possible. When I still had my HTC Touch Pro and Xperia X1, and even Nokia N900 (which uses Maemo 5), I tweaked the crap out of them and got more juice and power and made its performance so much better. I'm hoping I can at least do the same for the Milestone, except I couldn't seem to find many tweaks...
Oh lastly, I know one of the big problems with Android is fragmentation. There're already some apps out there in the Android market that are exclusive to certain Android versions. The same app has a version for Froyo (v2.2) and Gingerbread (v2.3). This is true for some of the mods or tweaks on XDA. So my question is, are custom roms like CM7 using Gingerbread? I'm guessing yes since it says 2.3.5? In that case, would I be able to simply install the latest mod/tweak or apps/games from XDA or the Android market? Or must I find the versions that is identical to mine?
E.g. if I install CM7, can I still install a mod that is for Froyo?
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Of course you still can. The best tweak for Milestone is under Android Hacking, it's zeppelinrox's supercharger script, which you run through Script Manager. That's the best you can get.
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I thought custom roms like CM7 or IceandFire come with the supercharger script included?
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I thought custom roms like CM7 or IceandFire come with the supercharger script included?
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Some do, such as HO!NO!, but not all of them do.
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Ok so I finally got my Milestone today!
I'm about to start rooting it and install CM7 on it. But before I do that, I have one important question. I know for Windows Mobile, almost all of the device requires you to do a hard reset after flashing a custom rom. I was wondering if the same needs to be applied to Android custom roms? Because it doesn't seem like it, I did a quick Google search and found this:
http://androidforums.com/optimus-v-...4-do-not-factory-reset-your-rooted-phone.html
So ya I'm not sure....
UPDATE:
Ok so I got my Milestone rooted, and installed CM7 on it. I came across a weird problem while doing it though. First of all, I'm using a 8GB Kingston microSD class 2, and it's brand new and hasn't been used before, so it obviously has nothing stored on it as it's empty to begin with. Ok, so as I followed the instructions, the first step is obviously rooting the Milestone, so I simply copied OpenRecovery to the memory card while my Milestone was connected to my PC. The weird thing is, when I opened "My Computer", I didn't see my memory card. Instead, I see "Milestone", so I opened it and then I see my memory card "Removeable Storage". I opened it again and here's the actual weird part, there're 2 files stored in it, called:
DevIcon
DevLogo
At first, I didn't think it was a problem because I thought they were just some dummy file or something. Also, the memory card is empty other than those 2 files. So after copying OpenRecovery to it and rooting it successfully, I then proceed to copy the CM7 custom rom file to the memory card. But this time, I still see the same thing. I don't see my OpenRecovery folder on it at all, there're no other files other than those 2 files on it. I tried Unmount and Mount in the SD Card settings, also unplugging my USB cable and re-plugging back in but it's the same. In fact, after 'Unmounting' the memory card, I couldn't even access it on "My Computer", as nothing shows up after I open "Milestone". Only 'Mounting' works, but again I only see those 2 files and nothing else.
HOWEVER, I then tried to take out the memory card and use my own microSD card reader, and bam I can see all the files on it, such as OpenRecovery and even the nanDroid backup that I made while following the instructions on that guide. So this is weird, why can't I access or see the contents on my memory card while the phone is connected to the PC??
I don't wanna create another topic for this since it's unnecessary, so here's my final question. In case something goes wrong in the future, what's the best way for me to revert back to stock?
I know I can use nandroid for this, but here's what i'm confused about. Nandroid makes a backup of the complete system, including the settings and apps installed correct? But what if you flash a custom rom, and then use a nandroid backup of the stock rom, will that still work? Or would you have to install the stock rom first for you to be able to use the nandroid backup?
Lastly, if the nandroid backup works regardless of whether you're using a different rom than the rom that the nandroid backup was made, then which option is better:
use nandroid to revert to stock, or using this guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11902513&postcount=7
Now I understand that for Milestone, custom roms are not actually flashed since the bootloader is locked. So would using nandroid be good enough?
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I don't wanna create another topic for this since it's unnecessary, so here's my final question. In case something goes wrong in the future, what's the best way for me to revert back to stock?
I know I can use nandroid for this, but here's what i'm confused about. Nandroid makes a backup of the complete system, including the settings and apps installed correct? But what if you flash a custom rom, and then use a nandroid backup of the stock rom, will that still work? Or would you have to install the stock rom first for you to be able to use the nandroid backup?
Lastly, if the nandroid backup works regardless of whether you're using a different rom than the rom that the nandroid backup was made, then which option is better:
use nandroid to revert to stock, or using this guide here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11902513&postcount=7
Now I understand that for Milestone, custom roms are not actually flashed since the bootloader is locked. So would using nandroid be good enough?
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The best way to revert to stock will be to flash an sbf for your region that will wipe everything. They have those sbf's on and-developers.
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Ahh I see, so in what situations will we be using nandroid to restore from the backup?
Also, the SBF file i'm using is from the guide that you linked me in your 2nd post. I'm using the EUROPE one because apparently it covers most of the countries around Europe, which includes New Zealand (where I live). I've had no problems with it, but just then I checked out the AND-Developers site like you suggested, and found this here:
http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone221
It doesn't seem to have New Zealand but it does have Australia, which is like a neighbour to us. Will it be better if I flash the SBF to that instead?
Also, will flashing a SBF change the radio? Or does only changing the baseband change the radio? Because i'm getting weak signals from 2G/3G sometimes, and my Wifi has problems sometimes not being able to connect properly. Either that, or it shows that i'm connected but i'm not getting any data, apparently a lot of people have problems like this after I did some searching around.
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Ahh I see, so in what situations will we be using nandroid to restore from the backup?
Also, the SBF file i'm using is from the guide that you linked me in your 2nd post. I'm using the EUROPE one because apparently it covers most of the countries around Europe, which includes New Zealand (where I live). I've had no problems with it, but just then I checked out the AND-Developers site like you suggested, and found this here:
http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone221
It doesn't seem to have New Zealand but it does have Australia, which is like a neighbour to us. Will it be better if I flash the SBF to that instead?
Also, will flashing a SBF change the radio? Or does only changing the baseband change the radio? Because i'm getting weak signals from 2G/3G sometimes, and my Wifi has problems sometimes not being able to connect properly. Either that, or it shows that i'm connected but i'm not getting any data, apparently a lot of people have problems like this after I did some searching around.
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1. when you're phone will not start anymore, it's good to have one before every new flash cause you never now what's gonna happen.
2. funny thing is i know where New Zealand is (not near Europe) . about the baseband ... yes every sbf has the region specific baseband 's (you cant flash a radio only change baseband 's).
baseband can be found on dexter's (http://dext3r.komodin.org/) page but they are already included in OR (not sure about fufu's). i can't be very precise because i don't remember.
custom rom's don't think they change baseband 's, (the .zip ones)
Ya ur right, NZ is not anywhere near Europe lol
but I did do some research on which SBF I needed before I flashed it, and I found out that the Europe SBF works for NZ as well, it was mentioned somewhere I can't remember.
About the baseband, I'm still a little bit confused. First off, I already know that you can change the baseband under OpenRecovery. The thing is, there are no options to change the baseband to New Zealand, so which one should I pick? Also, here's the part I'm confused about. You said that the baseband are region specific, and yet we can choose the baseband we want in OpenRecovery.
So since I flashed the SBF for Europe, what will happen if I then change the baseband to say Argentina (one of the options under OpenRecovery)? Will it crash or something?? I don't even know what baseband i'm using right now, I haven't changed anything, I only flashed the SBF for Europe and that's it. I can still go online using 2G/3G and txt no problem, but I'm just not sure if the baseband i'm using is suppose to be correct for New Zealand or not...
BTW just another side question (sorry I'm really new to the Android scene!):
I've found a few custom roms that doesn't use the current kernel we have for Milestone. As far as I know, the bootloader for Milestone is locked, therefore we can't properly flash a custom rom onto it, as well as replacing the kernel as well. So what I'm confused with is, if some of these custom roms don't use the current kernel on the system, then how does it work? Does it use its own kernel, and if so then shouldn't that replace the system's own kernel before it can be used??
Here's one of the custom rom topic where I read from, in case ur wondering:
This is the Froyo FRG22 image for our Milestone. but as this is not using the kernel, there are some limit to functions based on kernel requirement. But its close, and works great and is alot faster.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734802
The same goes for the custom roms. I don't understand how they can run on Milestone even though it's not properly flashed. Like some others have mentioned, the so-called "custom roms" that we have now are just a layer of image or skin on top of the stock rom. The weird thing is, it runs faster and most of the pre-installed stock apps that came with the stock rom are removed, thus giving us more space for internal storage. But how does this work if the custom roms haven't actually flashed onto our phone? Or did it overwrite/modify the files on the stock rom? If so, then isn't that just flashing onto the phone then?
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About the baseband
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changing baseband's that are not supported by your network op will lead to no signal whatsoever.. i don't remember if there is a problem with only data. try other baseband, in theory it will not crash anything, so do a nandroid backup before
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=734802
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that is an old post from "25th July 2010, 05:52 AM" moto started to leak kernel from January 2011 give or take a month, so back then froyo was used with the eclair kernel. kernel from milestone was never changed to other than moto signed, only modules loaded at an early stage, thanks to kabaldan/nadlabak and other if exists
custom roms =
moto kernel
kernel modules (this helps on overclock , app2ext ... others)
mods to system files, apps
hope you understand cause i don't know if i make it clear at the end of the post
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The same goes for the custom roms. I don't understand how they can run on Milestone even though it's not properly flashed. Like some others have mentioned, the so-called "custom roms" that we have now are just a layer of image or skin on top of the stock rom. The weird thing is, it runs faster and most of the pre-installed stock apps that came with the stock rom are removed, thus giving us more space for internal storage. But how does this work if the custom roms haven't actually flashed onto our phone? Or did it overwrite/modify the files on the stock rom? If so, then isn't that just flashing onto the phone then?
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i doesn't make any sense, you will end up with no memory , only kernel remains, other things gets rewritten.
Code:
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/roaming/welcome-to-nz.jsp
this get out of what i know. with the frequencies,
basebands/frequency i have 900/1800
for data check if there is a problem with your apn settings
I see, thanks for your thorough explanation
Ya I know that changing my baseband will probably give me better signals, but I'm asking which one is best for Vodafone NZ because there isn't a baseband for New Zealand.
For the data part, were you talking about my wifi problem, and suggesting I check the APN settings? Don't worry that's been solved already. I flashed to the New Zealand v2.1 SBF and now it's working very stable. But like I said, after flashing to that I now have problems with connecting to my operator whenever I switch to 2G. However, 3G works fine so there's no problem with that.
BTW, I have another problem. After flashing to the New Zealand v2.1 SBF, I couldn't access my OpenRecovery anymore. I didn't delete or change any files on my memory card, so if I could access OpenRecovery and root my device as well as flash a custom rom when I was still on Froyo, then why can't I do it again when I flash to Eclair?
I *think* I know the reason, is it because it patched the vulnerable recovery or something? I think this is what I need to do to fix this:
http://android.doshaska.net/rootable
I haven't done it yet coz i'm busy these days, but i just need a confirmation so I know that it is indeed the case.
I *think* I know the reason, is it because it patched the vulnerable recovery or something? I think this is what I need to do to fix this:
http://android.doshaska.net/rootable
I haven't done it yet coz i'm busy these days, but i just need a confirmatio
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true story . it should say something about eocd marker and fail.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=698059
For the data part, were you talking about my wifi problem, and suggesting I check the APN settings?
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sorry... i don't know, last night i thought i read something else, about working 3g and 2g not ..must be the skittles... to much rainbow
i suggest finding out what country baseband are similar to New Zealand and flash/apply that one )
I am very much new on Rooting the NC. I finally updated to the 1.3 and then used the manual nooter to root it again. However, after doing quite a bit of research, I have been seeing people posting about flashing the
" Dalingrin Kernels" ??
What are these?? and if it would help my NC to be a little more stable, or faster, could I use these?? and if so, how would I do this??
Thanks!!
They are customized kernels that allow for overclocking, and some other "unlocked" features. They are actually included in the CM7 nightlies now, so you don't have to flash them separately. You can go into the Cyanogenmod Settings to change the CPU clock in the Performance section to overclock. Other stuff that's working include bluetooth and usb host mode.
I would highly recommend just using one of the latest nightly CM7 releases. If you want to stick with rooted stock, then you should still be able to flash the kernel, I believe.
Add on to what pony said,
+ it created by Dalingrin, that's why it gets the name.
+ Dalingrin recently release new set of kernels in September, but I have no clue what news, enhancements or any advanced features added. I hope he will post the log some days.
Rhonda19 said:
I am very much new on Rooting the NC. I finally updated to the 1.3 and then used the manual nooter to root it again. However, after doing quite a bit of research, I have been seeing people posting about flashing the
" Dalingrin Kernels" ??
What are these?? and if it would help my NC to be a little more stable, or faster, could I use these?? and if so, how would I do this??
Thanks!!
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Find the Dalingrin post in the Development section that contains the link to kernals. Use the 090111 kernal (there are two so pick the one that is to be flashed from the SD card). You can use the same CWM SD card that was used to install Manualnooter. Put the zip on the card, the card in the Nook, boot to CWM and flash. Following a reboot, you will be in business.
I did this when I installed Manualnooter 4.6.16 but you should be able to do it at any time. I coud not tell you if it makes any difference as I did not run rooted 1.3 without it.