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Hi Guys,
This is probably the best PDA forum. HTC should pay all you guys for creating this great forum for its overrated mobile.
TyTN II was the most $ I have ever spent on a mobile. With the price I pay, I could get a decent dual core laptop. But I wanted all things in one gadget and the news on TyTN II prior to its launch have made this mobile my dream mobile.
I was weary of the slow CPU speed. But after reading Qualcomm's specification of its CPU, that it is a dual core chip, I forced myself to believe that it will be faster than my old PDA that runs on Intel PXA270, 416MHZ. Unfortunately, I was mislead.
Sure, the TyTN II is stable, but I need to wait for 1-2 secs for it to register my command and than to react is totally not acceptable, especially I paid so much $ for it.
As for the Video, the first time I experienced, at best, the still moving pictures from an avi file had caused me great concern that my TyTn II is faulty. But now we all know that that phone is working under perfectly fine condition. Seriously, who has time to encode avi file down so that it can be viewed on TyTn II. I brought this phone to assist me and make my life more convenient, not the opposite.
So finally, I am trading in this phone at 64% of its original price (I have only used this phone for 5 months) for either Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800. I have ordered both of these new phones with the store for inspection and to make my final decision.
I am also frustrated with its inability to record telephone calls, which is one of necessary function for my job. I have spoken to a HTC sales and he told me that it is for privacy reason that they have make such a restriction. This is a load of BS. All large phone companies such as Nokia, SE, LG, and Moto have such a function.
Hope that I will also be able to find a native forum as good as this for Asus P750 or Gsmart MS800.
AND, I will never (during my time on earth) buy another HTC phone again... and I will certainly spread the word to all my friends not to buy any HTC phone either. HTC is good at make its first time customer its last time customer.
Guys, seriously, do you still believe that there is hope for the video driver or video improvement for HTC???
Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"
goodbye, enjoy your new phone
honestly if anyone is tired of their kaiser, pls just sell it and leave, no need to whine about it or say goodbye. we really wont miss you at all.
all of us still holding on to our kaisers may be stupid from ur point of view, but we are all trying to make it work, hence the name xda-developers, not xda-whiners. if you dont like ur kaiser, sure you are entitled to your opinion, but ppl who choose to stay, dont really care, so just sell of your phone, piss off, and dont bother anyone. we dont really care to know what you feel about your device
well thx for telling us how u feel but we dont really care...its not like we're gonna follow suit cuz of u...research or try it out before u spend "so much $" on it...and whether new drivers are coming...who knows maybe or maybe not...this phone being not suitable to u doesnt mean it sucks or its bad in any way...just go get ur phone which suits u best...and live on
well... what more can I say..?
bye bye...
FYI, it's 'wary', not 'weary'. Good luck.
Seems like you want someone to sympathize. Pick one of the following responses:
1. Awww poor baby. There there.
2. I'll join you in abandoning HTC products.
(disclaimer: meh)
Good luck. and hope you can find the right PDA.
Tell it Wayne...
One whiner less....
This is nothing personal, but people are tired of new whining threads... plz just go and leave us alone with the whining.
If your friends belive the $ you talk it's their problem. Noone here cares if your friends like HTC or not. It doesn't matter for most if HTC sales some phones less or not. I still dont geht the point of such threads...
U think HTC will read this? U think it gets better if you buy a new one? Sry but every phones has it's issues... everything... here it is a video driver, other phones als cheaply manufactured, some have other bugs. There is nothing perfect. So wake up! The world is unfair.
Guys I am sorry but there is someone who tells us what he is doing now.
I believe HTC will never release the new drivers and at least they should see that people are selling the device now and will buy other brand in the future.
HP h4150 (best device I ever had)
Magican (it was fantastic but not that fast as the h4150)
TyTn1 (was ****)
Trinity (same **** like TyTn1, color pealing blahh blahh. but at least smaller)
now this stupid Kaiser (good device but not ready for the market)
I have bought 4 devices from HTC and only one was that what I am expecting to get.
And now you Guys are blaming him because he tells in a open letter what he will do?
Nice one!
HTC cheaters
I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.
gqstatus0685 said:
Get a life. Good luck with your new phone. Maybe they will have the video drivers you are looking for. We need to make a Sub Forum called "People Who ***** About HTC Products and Video Drivers"
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Unnecessary! It's a forum for people to voice their opinions and thats all he was doing. Fine, if you don't agree with his post, thats up to you but it's like my parents used to tell me "If you don't have anything nice to say.... don't say anything at all"
This is kind of one of the reasons why I try not to post here too much. Too many people all wanting to jump down someones throat when they disagree with a post, r the reason for posting. It's not just here, it's the same with any forum you go to. It's sad really.
Even though you think he's whining, it doesn't get better with the negative answers you give him. He just tells us he's made a choice.
The rudeness to him in the following posts is not worthy of an xda-developer.
Stay friendly.
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I agree with the first post of this thread.
lot of people are addicted to flashing roms (me too), the fact that Kaiser is a disaster will never be acknowledged bec we have paid good amount for this and we refuse to give up or accept the facts. Till how long, will this go on. when will HTC be made to change their attitude, an attitude of taking consumers for granted, show me any hardware of their's which is perfect, either the speaker or camera will let u down. people who have criticized the first post should realise that people didnt go out to buy a phone with bad camera, speaker and display issues. Fact is we all have been duped by HTC. and if people here think things can be solved by xda everytime so lets buy htc, then its not right. I hope someday XDA dev manufacture a great phone , probably it will be the perfect phone.
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Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!
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Ag, shamepies,
Maybe HTC will provide live feeds from Mars too.
Or maybe better yet, a device that will record your blood pressure and hot & cold running water at the same time!
Oh, maybe even better, a device that will also double as a BMI scale and also have a built-in HIV monitor and blood-group detector!!!
Grow up!!
This has truly become the Cheese & WHINE forum!!!
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What is YOUR contribution to xda-developers exactly?
even if i dont't mind if anybody has a kaiser, sells a kaiser, buys a kaiser or sleeps with his kaiser, i think such threads might not be useless.
if many people make it clear that they leave HTC and why they sell their phones maybe HTC realizes that their way to treat customers was wrong.
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.
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Well length of membership really isn't anything to go by, I could have signed up to be a member yesterday and could be a total guru (im not though )
Look, lets just play nice ok? Its a public forum for people to publish their opinions. Lets not turn this into yet another bashing thread.
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Agree. Thanks
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Firstly, I've helped a few people here and there. Secondly I've been here a little longer than you even if I haven't posted much.
And yours???
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Made iTask, and made a lot of skins for various programs.
does anyone know if theres a freeware app for tracking menstrual cycles? just thought of tracking my girlfriends...
Step 1. make an entry in your calender for the last week and a half of every month.
Step 2. Anytime you see your wife/gf turn your body 180 degrees and walk the other way.
haha..but seriously
Use your calendar and reference this picture.
EASY.
http://www.fhi.org/pic/mencycle.gif
Bloody hell..
Good grief, don't you have any better things to do with your time than track your girlfriend's period???????????????
Find it
I find this cab, but I haven't tested yet … Give me a feed back if it's OK.
Hmm.
A Today Plug-in that makes your Kaiser moody and unresponsive one week out of every four. I dunno- the HTC drivers do a pretty good job of that already.
*amused*
Just told the g/f about this, and she looked at me with pure disgust
mayastig said:
does anyone know if theres a freeware app for tracking menstrual cycles? just thought of tracking my girlfriends...
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I'd just like to make a Grammar Statement.
If indeed you did mean to type "girlfriends" which is plural, and means more than one, than I can see why you'd want to track it.
But If you mean you wanted to track the cycle that belongs to your girlfriend, you need to type "girlfriend's." The apostrophe makes it possessive.
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well big lol
that prog of yours works the same like a calendar. only thing is when youre pushing like oct. 1 you will get a menu screen, which allows you the option to select in what period the girl is in, like dry,slightbleeding etc.
also you can select whether you can have sex with ur gf or not, or when do you need protection, or if she got cramps all sorts of stuff pretty funny actually^^ great find maybe im gonna buy it^^
First of all, Bloody hell is right
Secondly, LOL @ Girlfriends vs Girlfriend's
Third, WOW, it was odd enough that someone asked about that kind of software, but that someone else made it, thats just TFF.
I checked it out, pretty cool, even allows you to check off a day when she is PMSing (Which is just about every day)
But I think your gf would start wondering what was going on if you were taking her temp and giving her a mini-physical every day.
get the pill. i think its worth it. yasmine, recommended by doc with least side effects. PHP 680. there are cheaper but I'd rather not risk my wife's health.
I also tried to find an app but mostly not free.
>>oh yeah, I didn't know I'd be giving medical advice on xda devs.
There is a free app like this called My Girls. I think it's just java.
A straight answer pls
I understand this dudes pain. It sucks NOT KNOWING. Also.... if your trusting your wife/girlfriend then wtf are you thinking trusting a woman LOL. JK. Well personally I would like to see an app for this because i keep track with desktop software lol. Also.... can you guys pls not correct my grammar.... that's just ridiculous. Now....im gonna go buy a boxen of donuts ttyl.
man you mean this sort of thing doesnt happen every week?
Maybe I should keep track
for a moment i had this really crazy idea that women may visit this forum !!!
why not just ask ?, i can understand if your trying for a baby, remember some are irregular
Dear god, please stay on topic.....this thread is getting disturbing
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Dear god, please stay on topic.....this thread is getting disturbing
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This is true, Everyone please stay on topic. I understand how one could make light of this subject. And that's fine. Also, don't get too heavy. Keep it at a nice normal flow.
software, but not free
There is the software called LaFeme+. It's prety good, however it can only keep the info on 1 female specie. Also it has info on the body temp and different level of aggression Wright me PM - will help
Okay so since were all friends here and were all bffls and best friends I have a question... can I barrow some lunch money? Naaaa kiddin I'mma ask people for cash tomorrow but fo real fo real?
The G1 is really... really... really boring.
I mean less be on is. How manyof you are still amazed by your G1 as you used to be? It's like milk, that expires today... it's still good for 5 days but your like ehh... what the hey... ya knew?
That's how I feel with my G1! It's nice and all but I know theres better... So do you guys suggest anything to make me love my phone again... maybe more then I love myself? I mean idk Rachel (however you spell it idk any grls named Rachel) UI looks pretty and all so I mean that might look good but Androids just getting old. Do you think it's not meant to be or something?
I mean maybe me and my G1 aren't meant to be...? So yeah. Post a reply thinking what I should do... because were friends and don't forget...
FRIENDS DON'T YELL AT FRIENDS FOR MAKING STUPID POSTS!
So as a friend, pwease hewp mees. Pwease? =)
And also, put a smilie at the end of your post... it makes me feel special and feel like were friends... I like having friends =)
Sorry if the post is long but dude I'm so mad right now man! No signal just sucks! Anyway, THANKS BFFSS!
xD
Is yours rooted? I find tethering is something I use a lot, and a love the fact my G1 has access to 3g all the time (atleast in my area). Hooking it up with my laptop has made my day to day tasks much easier what with school and work and whatnot. Also if it's rooted you get some other cool stuff, if I find playing with my phone isn't giving me as many thrills as it used to I switch themes every now and then..
Youtube is always fun to mess around with, when I'm bored ill watch videos n' junk. Browse the market to see if any new/cool apps or games have come out..
The only thing I would wish to improve with this device is the browser. It's not quit up there with the iPhone in my opinion.. but the OS is still pretty kickass in general.
Im just now messing around with the SDK.. just did the hello world tutorial not too long ago and messing around with the 2.0 emulation (which when released or cooked it's gonna rock) Maybe if you're bored with it, download the SDK, take some time to learn it and develop something (Easier said than done).. but why not increase your knowledge while exploring the device, friend?
Sorry if this post seems weird.. First time browsing XDA on a high dosage of lorazepam. Everything seems so nice
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Is yours rooted? I find tethering is something I use a lot, and a love the fact my G1 has access to 3g all the time (atleast in my area). Hooking it up with my laptop has made my day to day tasks much easier what with school and work and whatnot. Also if it's rooted you get some other cool stuff, if I find playing with my phone isn't giving me as many thrills as it used to I switch themes every now and then..
Youtube is always fun to mess around with, when I'm bored ill watch videos n' junk. Browse the market to see if any new/cool apps or games have come out..
The only thing I would wish to improve with this device is the browser. It's not quit up there with the iPhone in my opinion.. but the OS is still pretty kickass in general.
Im just now messing around with the SDK.. just did the hello world tutorial not too long ago and messing around with the 2.0 emulation (which when released or cooked it's gonna rock) Maybe if you're bored with it, download the SDK, take some time to learn it and develop something (Easier said than done).. but why not increase your knowledge while exploring the device, friend?
Sorry if this post seems weird.. First time browsing XDA on a high dosage of lorazepam. Everything seems so nice
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Ughhh man. Tethering is suchh old news I been ROOTed! I hate the Mobile YouTube eww bro. I've done the App Market thing... gets boring. The Browser is okay. Hmm, send me the links for Developing and SDK's pwease bff? And friends don't judge friends by their Posts and how new they are. When I started at my new school nobody judged me by the clothes I wore (although I swagg out for 1st Impressions!) What's umm Lurah-Zee-Pamela? And yes, we try to be nice and friendly here. Thanks for the smilie! =]
Heres a thought: get into development. I got into development for the G1 8 or 9 months ago, and I've never had any point at which I thought "well, this phone is boring now".
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Heres a thought: get into development. I got into development for the G1 8 or 9 months ago, and I've never had any point at which I thought "well, this phone is boring now".
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I mean, my Reading/Language Arts/Social Studies teacher says we should all work on increasing our knowledge because our brain is something we don't want to waste... really nice lady!
I'm thinking of getting into development but like in a way my brain is tired so so much I dont know how I'm going to store all of this information. Can you provide me some links for how to make Themes, ROMs, etc...? And Kusotare, where is your smilie because I can't seem to find it friend! =/
Ok now I have Android SDK downloaded and it's doing something. Please please PLEASE somebody send me some links so I know how to develope ROMs and Themes. I know it'll be a little hard but I am willing to put in a lot of hard work to work on ROMs like Rachel UI and Eclair so that I can get things people want a lot. I honetly want an Eclair ROM more then anything right now. I have a friend whos dad works for MOTOROLA, he's going to pass me a MotoCliq tomorrow and a MotoDroid probably Monday or Tuesday next week. I can't wait for those two, I'm going to try to help developing for that and I'll still hook you guys up with some G1 ROMs and all. Anyway, please somebody be a good friend as I know all of you are and provide me some links, my E-Mail is [email protected] so you can send then there, thanks! =)
I recently decided to a lot myself $500 to spend on myself before I resume my major saving scheme. (I save 80% of every check, right into savings account, investments, etc). But I have to let myself spend some money every now and again!
Anyways, I want to buy myself something new and fun. (I could go outside of $500 but I don't want to go to far, this is just what I have alloted myself.) I am not sure what to get myself. One million internets to the person who suggests something AWESOME!
Here are things I have, that I am not looking to replace:
- Computer
- Phone
- Audio System (both for PC and Car)
- Monitor
- Webcam
- Headphones w/Mic
- Camera
Some of my interests:
- All things nerdy
I don't watch T.V. so anything T.V. related is out. Thanks for your help!
Take it to Jack Binion's and put it all on black.
good day.
Ehemm Desire Z or the new G2 (Same thing) youll be happy
you could give it to me..... Or if you want to be greedy and spend it on yourself , then you could buy a remote control helicopter with a video camera on the front and record all types of cool stuff
Well Lets see, you could buy a projector and set it up with your game console or have a small home theater: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002KKCVSW/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8
Or you could get an SSD: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Technology-RealSSD-Solid-CTFDDAC256MAG-1G1/dp/B0039SM0B2
Considering your "not willing to replace" list, i'm pretty much out of ideas (not trying to be an asshole here, i'm seriously out of ideas )
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Considering your "not willing to replace" list, i'm pretty much out of ideas (not trying to be an asshole here, i'm seriously out of ideas )
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Exactly my problem. I don't want to replace any of those things because there is pretty much nothing that can beat it.
On a side note the helicopter with camera sounds interestings and so does a projection screen. HMM.
I vote for an RC helicopter. It's one of the most fun hobbies EVAR!!
You can get quite a nice CCP for $500 but if you've never flown a below before you can get a great indoor starter for around $100. Plus if you spend $500 you wont have any budget left for replacement parts. Go for a smaller one, by the time you spend another $100 on blades you'll be a pro Look for the Esky Lama, lots and lots of fun.
*edit- http://www.xheli.com/2-4ghz-lama-v4-silver-version-.html
nebenezer said:
I vote for an RC helicopter. It's one of the most fun hobbies EVAR!!
You can get quite a nice CCP for $500 but if you've never flown a below before you can get a great indoor starter for around $100. Plus if you spend $500 you wont have any budget left for replacement parts. Go for a smaller one, by the time you spend another $100 on blades you'll be a pro Look for the Esky Lama, lots and lots of fun.
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I +1!
I started on a Esky lama, and its great fun once you get it! I've moved up to a nitro one now, which costs a hell of alot more to fix.
Go small if your getting a RC heli!
An android tablet
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all you guys(cept chopper , a gd 1 derr) are nerds of such a high level that its me who feels ashamed of myself ... buy some clothes , and take a friend with you whos got some style ...
What's more nerdy and bad ass than a laser keyboard?!
http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/keyboards-mice/8193/
Click the link!
maybe one of these? http://www.archos.com/products/ta/archos_101it/index.html?country=au&lang=en
and you would still have alot of money left to blast on apps and accessories!!
Donate some in charity ?
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More nerdy.. Hmm.
That and a laser touch pad!
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Does the laser touch pad exist though?
An iPad? Nah just kidding
Have you seen the archos 101? It looks pretty cool.
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An iPad? Nah just kidding
Have you seen the archos 101? It looks pretty cool.
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yea itd be good use for a doormat
Donate to a charity, now you have to or else you'll feel bad and selfish
Android Tab
Android Tab vote for the tab
You said " nothing related to t.V" so do you mean you don't play video games such Halo?
You can try spending cash on a sport you enjoy, or buy work out equipment?
I have a ipad.this party makes me sad....
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Ok so Christmas is sneaking up on me and I'm thinking of getting my son (almost 3) one of these cheap android tabs. I was thinking of the innotab or leap pad but for its price i feel an android tab would do so much more and would be something he wouldn't grow out of in 6 months time.
So does any one on here know any good child mode apps i could use if i get him one? I wouldn't want him destroying the tab by changing all the settings and buying apps and sending emails to people etc.
I'd like an app that would boot into kids mode upon start up and that would be easy for him to access basic things like games and camera and coloring apps etc etc..and ideally a function where i could monitor his usage and see his progress in games and drawing...
Please help
Ps: for the people that think I'm mad, i am. Don't judge me for giving him a tab. I won't get an expensive one and even if i did, it's my money so no criticism please!
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You can't just use any one of the several "kiddy" launchers already in the market?
It took me 3 seconds to find this one with many more available.
Must resist urge to criticize!!.....
Can't help it!! Guy, he is barely three!!! Get him tonka truck or legos!! If he is anything like my three year old, he will have more fun with the box it came with then the tablet.
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Must resist urge to criticize!!.....
Can't help it!! Guy, he is barely three!!! Get him tonka truck or legos!! If he is anything like my three year old, he will have more fun with the box it came with then the tablet.
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+1 Why can't people let kids grow up at a normal speed, rather than trying to magically make them become a geek by the time they're 5? Kids spend far too long staring at television as they grow up, give him something that will get his imagination working and get him outside in fresh air.
Yeah ive seen one i like the look of called kytephone. I found that one here on xda.
I was mainly after opinions on what people use for their child. And what they liked about it.
And although he's only 3 he's very clever like his daddy lol and it will hopefully stop him using my note.
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Edit: this thread isn't going as i hoped. I will not stick him in front of the tv all day nor will he have access to this tab 24/7.
We do play outside, we do have fun that don't involve technology so what's the harm in him earning an hour or two tab time?
I'm after advice not criticism so can we get back on topic or shall i close the thread?
Thanks
You should probably get him something like this.
Additional link here.
Cheap and has toddlers in mind with it's design.
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+1 Why can't people let kids grow up at a normal speed, rather than trying to magically make them become a geek by the time they're 5? Kids spend far too long staring at television as they grow up, give him something that will get his imagination working and get him outside in fresh air.
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^^^This big time^^^
Children need to play outside and socialize. Its only going to do them good in the long run.
There is a kid's Nabi Android Tablet in the Bestbuy Flyer in the Black Fiday Thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979120 Link in Post #7
Hey, he is 3? When's he going to play with a tablet? Shouldn't he be in school?
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Yeah ive seen one i like the look of called kytephone. I found that one here on xda.
I was mainly after opinions on what people use for their child. And what they liked about it.
And although he's only 3 he's very clever like his daddy lol and it will hopefully stop him using my note.
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Edit: this thread isn't going as i hoped. I will not stick him in front of the tv all day nor will he have access to this tab 24/7.
We do play outside, we do have fun that don't involve technology so what's the harm in him earning an hour or two tab time?
I'm after advice not criticism so can we get back on topic or shall i close the thread?
Thanks
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i think its cool man my child is 2 1/2 and he takes his evo in the car to play games and watch his youtube vids he downloads. my child is very active plays outside all the time rides his four wheeler and many other things. kids are ppl and they like electronics as well. i wish when i was a kid i would have had things like this. i think it makes kids smarter, my friends cant blve he can play xbox and work a phone. do what you do man and dont worry about what other ppl think, however i think its awesome
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I agree with the earlier thread.....
I just bought all 4 of my kids the nabi2. It is sporting tegra3 processor etc..... very rugged. $199. I even play games on it. Extremely easy to root. My oldest is 14. He even likes it. Mainly because he doesn't have to worry about breaking it.
It has nabi mode. In it you control content etc.... and "mommy mode" is just your basic ICS.
Check it out.
Thanks for the replies guys!
As for the haters, yes he will be in nursery, yes he will play out side, i don't lock him in his room and feed him through a hatch!
He's 3, he's clever and if he behaves he earns a reward which will be playing on the tab. It's my money, my child, my house and my rules.
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And with that, this thread comes to a close.