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Development of ROMs ceased?

I'm looking in every now and then following up on development av new ROMs, but it seems as this has stopped.
alcaline no longer develops his ROM and there hasn't been any resent updates in arpy's thread either. Have I missed someone? Are there more ROMs out there for the Wings that I don't know of?
If you know, post some info or maybe some links to new ROMs that are compatible with the Wings (s730).
TIA

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=397164
And i am going to upload the kitchen for wings
because i don't have this phone.

Excelent!
Must have passed right beneeth my nose
thx!

Not much going on for the Wings (cooked ROMs)
I think the development of cooked roms for the Wings are fainting. Unfortunately I would say because I think there is lots to gain if someone develop a better and faster WM6.1 ROM for our unit. There are 2 ROMS available now and for both ROMS counts that there is not much going on in terms of development.
I currently use Alcaline's cooked ROM. It does a fine job but there are some glitches to work on. Unfortunately Alcaline stops working on the project.

True. Seems sad, as this is a great unit.
I'm thinking about taking up development of a ROM but I have to read up on a couple of things first. I'm no programmer but a amature hacker. So don't expect any miracles (or speed for that matter).
Any input from the already enlightened would be nice.

To me it seems that there is no more exciting things to work on for this phone.
The speed (or lack of speed) is due to the crappy phone itself. So not much to do about this
Except disabling the home screen, with increases the overall usage quite a bit for me at least.
But disabling this makes the whole interface ugly.
So I am holding on to this phone just hoping that a unit with Google Android will pop up in near future,
where everything is customizable

Fastest, most stable and with the least amount of bugs. Which rom?

Which cooked rom offers the best stability, speed and least amount of bugs for a T-Mobile HTC TP2? I'm new and would like some opinions. Thanks!

It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully I didn't annoy others. Sorry folks.

If you are looking for stability instead of eye candy then go for the ROMs without HTC Sense. I know it looks good, makes you feel good when you swiipe left and right and up and down, but the fact is that as soon as it is disabled your battery life will improve, you will have more RAM to run different applicatons, and the device will not get bogged down. I bought the Touch Pro 2 because I like Windows Mobile. It works. The Touch Pro 2 is as powerful a device as I could ask for running WM or really anything else. HTC sense is just a VERY in depth overlay. In the end it is an application which takes up processing power, memory, and reliability. I am currently using the Cell Evo V6 with NonSense (I like that and the two Royal Physicians I've had agree...haha!! I named this drink!!) and the battery life has improved drastically, as has reliablility, and my ability to mutitask.

cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.

nokiadashi said:
cell pro lite v.9.5 by sergio,IMO,is the quality you want.
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totally agrees on cell pro series
do try others aswell,and see what suits ur taste

Hamsteriel said:
It's COMPLETELY OPINION!!! Only YOU can decide which ROM is best for you. Hint: Sort threads by view count. PLEASE do not create new threads for inane questions that have been asked at least 2.7 million times in the past. I'm not trying to scare you away from XDA-Devs, but once you have spent a little time here, you will be just as annoyed by these posts as the rest of us.
True stability in WinMo is a pipe dream, due to the fact that the OS is constantly being hacked to death by the tireless dedication of ROM Chefs, and other programmers. I mean that in a good way. Sorry your thread will be locked within a day or so..
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Hopefully the thread is not locked. It is a completely reasonable question to ask and it would be absolutely wonderful if members were a little nicer to people who are obviously new and requesting a little guidance. I don't cook ROMs. I don't often come up with great solutions to problems with a ROM and put those solutions into little .cab files for everyone. I don't write applications. I've only donated to a few ROM cooks (maybe three or four maximum) since I have been a member here. One thing I can do is offer a little advice and assistance to those who do not even have my limited experience...those to whom I have something to offer. Why not try this?
To get back on topic though, I might as well try to answer the question a little better than I did last night. I had an excuse then!
I have tried pretty much every ROM for the Rhodium and I found myself really enjoying the Energy ROMs but encountered a few bugs here and there which gave me reason to try something else. I really like those Energy ROMs but I always feel like I am waiting for the next one so I can get rid of a problem on the one I'm using. I tried the latest ROM from Ark666 and I really like that one. It appeared to be very stable and it just looks good. I'm not referring just to HTC Sense but everything really looks nice. However, when I disable the HTC messaging client there is no MMS option and I couldn't get it working so I gave the Cell Evo a try. Everything seems to work and it has been rock solid. No freezing or sluggishness.
I have gone back to the defaut Windows Mobile today screen instead of HTC Sense and right now I am using just the basic original one. After a restart I have about 110mb of free Program memory this way and getting to new messages, opening the calendar, and so on is so much simpler and quicker than with HTC Sense.
Windows Mobile is great...I really like it. Instead of covering it up with all that extra graphical distraction why not focus on tweaking what is already there and making dedicated applications that are of greater use?

I have to agree....Best ROM used so far is The cell pro series v11.

Cell pro series but the 21xxx series windows mobile build ones. Also the energyrom Sense 2.1 ROMs, also 21xxx build version. Both are really fast and stable, love them both equally, hard to decide between them for sure.

iris_aim said:
totally agrees on cell pro series
do try others aswell,and see what suits ur taste
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I'll have to try that one out. Seems like something I can really rely on.
BTW, thanks pinhead.

Android Devs: What are the biggest challenges in porting Android to Xperia X1?

The intent of this thread was to provide a consolidated answer to all of those waiting patiently (some, not so patient) for a complete Android ROM for the SE Xperia X1.
Many perceive Android as "a hacker's OS" because it is both open source, and supported on so many other HTC devices. Because of this, I suspect many of the "spectators" here (like me) incorrectly assumed that Android on Kovsky (or, any HTC smartphone) would be a straight forward affair, considering some of the amazing work done here with the Windows Mobile ROMs.
It seems, however, that creating a usable Android ROM for Xperia is far more difficult than creating WM6 ROMs? Android has been out for quite some time and there's still no widely available Android ROM for Xperia X1. It is for this reason that I've started this thread.
I'd like to hear from those that have/are working on Android about the challenges in putting together an Android ROM for Xperia X1. What has contributed to this being a difficult OS to port to Kovsky?
Is it driver support? Perhaps Kovsky has a unique selection of hardware that complicates the process? Or, has much of the effort been directed towards Haret vs. a native ROM? If so, why? Can the Haret work be merged into an effort to create an Android ROM or are these different approaches completely exclusive to one another?
Perhaps there are IP/DRM/license issues that are complicating the effort? I'd very much like to hear from ROM chef and devs working on this port.
While it may seem like a idealist perspective, I wonder if some dialog on the issues surrounding an Android port/ROM might result in greater community involvement, and ultimately a stellar Android ROM for one of HTC's most beautiful smartphones. I'm certain that interest in Android on Kovsky is very high. Are there areas where the community might be able to assist with direct hardware, financial or other contributions?
So please, sound off. I'm very interested to hear about chefs/devs experiences with Android and I'm certain there are many here that would like to hear more about this port.

I just didnt know how to tell all you told here... I really want to know because I love my x1 and I love Android.. but i can"t help

i have just check out the Kovsky project from Gitorious, but still don't know how to work on it. 'cause i don't have much knowledge about develop kernel and open source, why don't we have a tutorial thread about this?

You people asking when a Android rom is coming just about every day are so funny. First of all their are still major issues that need to be worked out. Android running from haret is not even every day usable yet so what is the freakin point of expecting a rom now or asking about it? Do you guys want a rom where you phone won't even last 2-3 hours, GPS dosen't work along with the camera etc......? We need All the issues fixed before we can even be thinking about a rom. When Android from Haret is everyday usable then lets start talking about a rom. So can we please give the Devs a break about this rom nonsense and let them work in peace, when their ready to release a Android rom they will release a Android rom.

wphoenix said:
i have just check out the Kovsky project from Gitorious, but still don't know how to work on it. 'cause i don't have much knowledge about develop kernel and open source, why don't we have a tutorial thread about this?
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would like that too, i've only been reading for some good time about the advances, and would like very much to take part in the development of the kernel, but don't really know where to start from
Also, what Viper says its very true... the work is probably a long way from done, depending on how much help the dev's get, which is, from what i've seen, not much.
about Toe_Cutter's comment "I wonder if some dialog on the issues surrounding an Android port/ROM might result in greater community involvement, and ultimately a stellar Android ROM for one of HTC's most beautiful smartphones" ... well, yeah, i think it could... at least i hope so.
xD
cool down all your heads and lets just help in every way we can
...as (ilgreco112) does xD... cheering up isn always bad hahaha
ps: first post!! ... Hi!

Viper89 said:
You people asking when a Android rom is coming just about every day are so funny. First of all their are still major issues that need to be worked out. Android running from haret is not even every day usable yet so what is the freakin point of expecting a rom now or asking about it? Do you guys want a rom where you phone won't even last 2-3 hours, GPS dosen't work along with the camera etc......? We need All the issues fixed before we can even be thinking about a rom. When Android from Haret is everyday usable then lets start talking about a rom. So can we please give the Devs a break about this rom nonsense and let them work in peace, when their ready to release a Android rom they will release a Android rom.
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As a dev, I bet it IS tiring hearing all the spectators asking about an Android ROM.
But what do you expect when spectators ask about the issues, and receive nothing in response?
In my original post, I chose my words very, very carefully, because if you go back and read it again, I never asked when, I only asked the why and how.
Why is it that no one can provide a response to this question? I searched the forum, and read thru dozens of posts trying to understand what this port might require, and I got nada (except several polls asking about an Android ROM, and a few more posts telling the spectators to quit asking about an Android ROM).
Anyone care to break the cycle and help the community understand the issues?

Well, the problem is that you can never guess what's required and how to achieve it. First of all, developers really know nothing about the hardware before they begin hacking it. Until you finish the job, you can't estimate the time it takes to complete. The major problem is that most of us devote just a tiny bit of our time to the porting, because there are lots of interesting things to learn and to do except it, but mostly because everyone's either studying or working (or even both).
But if you really want to know what's needed.. well
1. Fix the LCD panel (add the initialisation code)
2. Fix the power saving (that's the greatest PITA right now) and 3D (the latter should be easy and is not really critical)
3. Implement Bluetooth, FM Radio, Camera (Should not be really hard on the driver side, but rather on the RPC protocol side)
4. Fix USB (should be easy.. actually, everything's done on the device driver side, the problem seems to be with the msm usb driver itself.. just needs real debugging)
5.Make a version of rom that boots from NAND (well, once you get the LCD to work correctly it's not a problem. It actually boots very well off nand, but without LCD and USB working it's not much fun, to tell the truth)
6.Clean up the code, drop the ****ty-droid and head forwards to SHR/Maemo MER/Meego or some other real linux distro with X11 and other things
7.Write up misc stuff (like optical joystick, illumination, new keypad driver and others)
But really, it you want to help, just begin researching everything yourself and exploring wince drivers. You know, Theo de Raadt once said: "shut up and hack", and that's the only way to get things done.

full ack
@sp3dev
full ack your post. the main problems ar not at android 2.x this source we have. but the kernel an its's modules (for kovsky) are the problem.
regards

Toe_Cutter said:
As a dev, I bet it IS tiring hearing all the spectators asking about an Android ROM.
But what do you expect when spectators ask about the issues, and receive nothing in response?
In my original post, I chose my words very, very carefully, because if you go back and read it again, I never asked when, I only asked the why and how.
Why is it that no one can provide a response to this question? I searched the forum, and read thru dozens of posts trying to understand what this port might require, and I got nada (except several polls asking about an Android ROM, and a few more posts telling the spectators to quit asking about an Android ROM).
Anyone care to break the cycle and help the community understand the issues?
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The ROM question has been answered time and again throughout various threads on xda-dev.
There is no real issue "porting" Android to kovsky. Android is a virtualized environment running on a linux
kernel and it is that kernel that has to be ported. "Android" runs 100% on kovsky with minimal modification.
So. There is only one issue with the linux kernel - that issue is when the linux kernel for kovsky
is good enough for someone to make the effort to pack up a ROM with that kernel,
a bootloader and the android system.
Now, the consensus is the kernel isn't as yet good enough for daily use -
if someone with the skills decides it is and makes a ROM, then they will
obviously do so.
The list of kernel stuff to be fixed is broadcast all over this board and asking kernel devs
to repeat themselves ad nauseum won't get it done any faster

Give up on running android on x1 for everyday use?

I am getting tired of running android on the x1. Battery lasts only a few hours no matter how much u try and tweak it. Standby also consumes too much battery, performance on apps are too weak. Speaker also does not off and a ringing tone keeps repeating.
Well this is only my opinion, some may feel the same but most will not give up hope. Seeing android lasting for a whole day ( include standby ) on my friend's hd2 makes me feel that x1 wasn't meant to run android and only poorly on windows mobile.
I will still encourage the developers to continue their work, and many great thks for allowing me to have a feel of android.
Thus, I will either get an android phone or one that hopefully could last longer running android.
GD Luck to the devs!!!( using android to post for the last time)
Sent from my MSM using XDA App

Count the devs who are working on X1 android. Then count how many are working on HD2 android.
You cannot compare those two, since HD2 have a lot bigger community which means more devs that discover new things.

I also give up.
Im thankfull to all who are working on this. But is seems that battery issue will never be fixed.

So, guys, what is the point of these posts? Do you really think, you are going to motivate developers with saying you will quit?

Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.

Lunie said:
Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.
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That's it!

Lunie said:
Idiots, think of it as testing, each new build brings us closer to a fully working one. As of now it's not meant to be used everyday.
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You learned that talk from your parents or what???
First of all im visiting this sub-forum 100 times per day for last few months. I was always first to test new ports and kernels and always give feedback to developers to which im very gratefull for their work.
I dont know why this topic was opened. But what i want to say is that im not going to be active on this like i was before. Developers have my support and i wont abandone this completly. I will be first to congratulate them when its done, but its simply too long for me. This is not critic to developers...not at all.
In my line of work its important to resolve main issues and not bother with lesser issues. When you solved main problems than you advance to lesser problems.
I wont call you idiot my friend. You mentioned testing. For me its not effective for developers to constanlty test if some application works, if wifi, 3d, gps works in some versions and other wont. For me its painfull to bother with theese problems when you cant use android at all becouse of battery.
Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first.
Sorry if i insulted anyone (i think i didnt) but in 10 years of my work i learned in my work that issues should be solved hierarchicly.
P.S. Sorry for my slavic english

denyboy said:
You learned that talk from your parents or what???
First of all im visiting this sub-forum 100 times per day for last few months. I was always first to test new ports and kernels and always give feedback to developers to which im very gratefull for their work.
I dont know why this topic was opened. But what i want to say is that im not going to be active on this like i was before. Developers have my support and i wont abandone this completly. I will be first to congratulate them when its done, but its simply too long for me. This is not critic to developers...not at all.
In my line of work its important to resolve main issues and not bother with lesser issues. When you solved main problems than you advance to lesser problems.
I wont call you idiot my friend. You mentioned testing. For me its not effective for developers to constanlty test if some application works, if wifi, 3d, gps works in some versions and other wont. For me its painfull to bother with theese problems when you cant use android at all becouse of battery.
Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first.
Sorry if i insulted anyone (i think i didnt) but in 10 years of my work i learned in my work that issues should be solved hierarchicly.
P.S. Sorry for my slavic english
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True, devs are more interested to fix stuff like wifi, bluetooth, gps etc rather than battery. I hope that they will turn their attention to battery first, like successfully make the phone completely sleep in standby. Currently phone consumes the same amount of energy during standby as having the screen on.
But i would not say that developers wasted time doing useless porting of the android system. For Example: Without them wifi would still be completely broken and we would not get to use the android market at all.
Still users have to plug in the wall charger to be able to play or use android. All i hope for is that battery life the main focus of all devs. thanks
(Meanwhile getting another phone to run android till xperiax1 battery is fixed )

Yeah you are right. There is not much improvement in battery life last time, but i think devs are trying to do their best. For example tremere is experimenting with new battery driver and tickless kernel and neopeek have included launcher that is supposed to suck less power.
These things need time. And I'm sure that we will get decent power usage some day.

I have an X1, and i remember the first ever build of android for it, (few months ago), they were terrible, upside-down screen, only a few clicks work, but over time they arrived where we are now, a nearly fully working android for x1, give the hackers/devs some time and they will make it work 99%
I tried neopeek android copy on my x1, and i liked android so much, that 2 days ago i got myself an HD2, which is working now on some HD2 android builds (you will ask why not go directly to some android device, well, i still need windows for some apps, and as an escape in case i don't like android, if i see that i use android 100% of the time, i'll get an android device).
and guess what: HD2 androids suffer from battery issues, they are not few hours like the X1, but still they consume the battery very quickly compared to androids or HD2 windows.

Please do not compare porting android to the X1 with real work for money. It is something completely different, it is a hobby/learning/fun-project. From economical point of view it is complete nonsense because for 100 Euro you can buy a android 2.2 phone to play with. But this is not about money, so there is no pressure behind the development, so it takes time. MUCH TIME!
I agree that battery life is the last big stone in the way to every-day-use. And i am quite sure it is the last, because it is the most difficult to remove. Some time ago i tried myself on getting knowledge about linux/android powermanagement - it is a quite complex animal If you follow the kernel-thread, then it seems that there finally is some progress with power management. Some devs report "2% battery drop per hour on standby", so full day of normal use is getting closer.
Oh, and please dont suggest things like "Developers should unite in order to fix battery life first." Developers do not unite, they develop. Someone else has to spend some time and unite them. Everyone is welcome to do that
"I wont call you idiot my friend." - Well done!!!

Having owned Android phones for about a year and a half now, I'd say battery life on Android devices is pretty mediocre. Period.
I have to charge my HTC Desire at least once a day. Sure, it's likely a kernel issue with Android's lack of stamina on the X1, but please remember that Android isn't exactly known for great battery life. Here are some things you can do to enhance it, though:
How to Improve Battery Life on Android Phones

I guess it came my time to give up android on XPERIA completely. I sold my Xperia X1 to my friend. And im feeling somehow sad.
I have bougth myself HTC Leo HD2. Android works great. But somehow it was more special running semi-functional android on X1.
It felt like modifing WV Golf 2 for Formula 1 racing
XPERIA X1 is phone which you love and hate totally the same.
Even if i dont have any more X1 i will celebrate the day when Android will be fully funcional on X1 and i will still visit this forum.
Bye my friends.

Now battery is way more improved, but buttons bug appeared . It's actually funny. Before, when i showed android to my friend, i said: "i will quickly show you this because battery will expire in 3 minutes." Now i say "damn, buttons are not working again. Wait, i will reboot it"

ok it seems like that

development getting dull

is it me or is it the rom developments for incs has slowed down significantly?
i dont see any new roms popping up.. most of the recently active roms have slowed down too.. are we getting left behind?

think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.

I think the main cause is 'android fragmentation'. You may have heard of this term before. There's too many android devices, each further HTC device release caused all of us to separate into different development sections.
Back in the G1, Nexus one days it was much easier since there were relatively few devices..
Now all the new stuff's out, lots of people want to jump to Galaxy Nexus, so on.
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think (hope) it will pickup after first official ICS Sense roms starts to leak. on the other hand, incredible S is starting to be a bit outdated (although it has some decent hardware), more focus seems to be on the dual core, more popular devices. we gotta admit, incredible s isn't that popular - we don't even officially have it on any carriers in my country.
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The funny thing is dual core doesn't offer much improvement over the single, it seems like a lot of hype going on over nothing. probably over 3/4th or I dare say 90+% of the market is still written for single core applications.
I have the asus transformer 1 and most times I feel like performance is on par if not the same with the IncS, but when compared to my HTC Flyer (View) it feels much speedier since it's got a 1.5Ghz clock speed, the extra 500mhz shows sometimes. It takes heavy games like Shadowgun to see the difference between all devices, which can't be seen much in general surfing and regular phone related app use.
This is one thing that Apple has the advantage to in their gameplay strategy for devs, since they keep the releases specific, once a year. Development of their devices can be pooled and properly 'coordinated' without them moving onto different branches due to hardware, SoC, camera issues and so on.

Agree, if the first ICS HTC ROMs are leaked, development will gain momentum.
Right now, lots of work is spent on getting the camera working in ICS AOSP.

also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.

Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.

Somehow, I missed that thread. I tend to not really read the index in general section often but I read the index of the dev section frequently.
I'm trying to jumpstart some action into the IncS, may not be much, but I have been building CM7.2 kangs and in the middle of testing building a CM9 kang, see how it goes.

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Just last week there was a developer inviting testers for his vivo port http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1475459 and yet strangely, I don't see you contributing anything to the thread... in fact the response from the whole incredible s community was actually pretty unwelcoming. If I was a developer I would bypass this phone also, which seems to be pretty much what happened 6+ months ago.
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i seemed to have missed his thread. will go over and take a look now
andrei.je said:
also, we gotta look at this ROM development as a hobby of the devs, one that usually starts with enthusiasm but over time proves to be very time consuming and falls last on their list of priorities. and unfortunately not a lot of people are willing or have the knowledge to fill in for the devs that get out of the game. i'm still reading up on android basics and kernel development, trying to make my first mix. Custom ROM development won't pay the bills, its mostly charity work.
You got to be grateful and appreciate their work.
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i understand that, but the point that i want to point out here is that is our device getting left behind? im already thinking whether to sell my incs off and get a sensation instead but thinking back how hard nik and the guys worked so hard, it held me back for a moment

So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .

hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881

bigeyes0x0 said:
So you need to flash your phone 5 times or more per day to be satisfied? Why not use it instead? Heavy case of ORD .
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lol ORD. not that man.. it's just that i see new roms popping out in the dhd section and the people there are always active and they never sleep. just wondering how can the dhd (old phone) be more popular than incs (newer) lol
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hey bro,see this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1490881
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i saw it bro. im pretty much worked up right now haha~ cant wait to try it!

There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .

bigeyes0x0 said:
There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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Amen bro!
I'm with you in every word you said!
+1 for your post.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S

bigeyes0x0 said:
There's a lot of things ppl can "masturbate" to with their phones. Like popularity with more ROMs like Desire HD, Sensation, Galaxy S2. I do it to longer battery life, better camera, radio reception, and it also fit better in my hands and palms ( at least compared to the DHD). More ROMs do not mean better quality ROMs, I'm fully satisfied right now with ARHD, and with the state of Quattro, I haven't even tried it. We're getting ICS officially that's good enough, I can wait for another stable custom ROM based on that. Be happy with what you know and have, ignorant is bliss. And I'm kinda gettings tired of ORD myself, maybe a case of cured one, until something remarkable new popped up .
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It's like you said =)
Sometimes you don't need a lot of things to have a great experience.
I remember back in the LG P500 days, there was only one rom and one kernel and the thing was fantastic.Even later new tweaks came,new roms,new kernels but the simpler ones were the best.
I like very much nikhil007mmus's work and Virtuous Team work, both very stable and fast.
I even suggested nikhil007mmus to talk with Francisco Franco to share some ideas to make even greater kernels for our device (kernel devs, don't get me wrong, I am not saying your work is bad, I don't even test it, but what I do know is that this man makes GREAT kernels, with great performance,great battery life and it keeps them simple.I tested his kernels in the P500 (Wich made the thing fast as hell (For a 600MHz device of course) and in the Nexus S (I got 2 full days of battery life with wifi,3g,lots of calls,etc etc and fast as hell).
Hope it get's even better here =)

Problem is the Incredible S was not a popular phone to begin among devs. Not like the Nexus One, Desire HD, Sensation and Galaxy S II.
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The bad and nice thing of HTC phones is, they have a bunch of devices with practically nearly identical internal HW. Thus you don't actually really need that many devs on one device in particular. The way I see it, quality is way more important, we already have Android fragmentation like some say, now we also have custom ROM fragmentation . All Sense 3.5 roms failed for me when toggling data. It would not be that much of a problem on Samsung as they don't disable data during call, but HTC do, and sometimes after call data doesn't come up which is a major problem for me as I need auto-sync for a bunch of services and it is the most annoying bug of all. I wish devs collaborated more for less ROMs but better quality. It also means less duplicated effort.
For now I'm using a ROM Cleaned ARHD 2.1.3 with Ultra Smooth Rosie, batt mod, odexed, and some tweaks in init.d. It's smooth like butter and I think that I can be happy until whenever ICS comes out, unless some Sense 3.5 custom ROM devs fixed the bug above. Just use your phone, the best is yet to come. And if you're too trigger happy buy Samsung GSII to flash around and chaotic development. My brother has one and I am actually the one modding it for him. It's insanely fast yet I do not want it (because of aesthetic, functional reasons and knowing what is enough) even though I can afford it.