I noticed something disturbing on the other threads

I noticed something disturbing on the other threads - LG Optimus 2x

O2X Folks,
I noticed something disturbing and more than a little annoying.
It seems that because of the timing of the release of these devices, quite a number of forum posters are comparing the O2X to the SE Arc. Yes, the same SE Arc that runs on a later generation single-core snapdragon and runs 2.3.
Other than the relative timing of their releases to market, is there even an comparison between the two? It's apples-and-oranges all over.
I have BOTH devices and I can tell you now that the Arc is inferior to the O2X in many respects:
1. Dual core really means more. Whereas the stock O2X handily gets about 2,450 on Quadrant, the stock Arc barely gets to 1,300 under the same benchmark. Once you've got Paul O'Brien's ROM on the O2X, you can clock 3,100 -- even the SGSII couldn't clock that score.
2. Reality Display??!The so-called Reality Display on the Arc produces washed-out colors in daily use -- and this is true not just for my unit but the others I've seen. I never realized that reality could look that washed-out
3. Disk Space This never gets enough press and I'm starting to think SE bribed the so-called "professional" reviewers to ignore this: 512MB of disk space is never going to cut it these days. Two years ago, that would have been a monster deal. Today, it's just **meh**. The fact is, market app files are getting bigger and bigger and even with Apps to SD, it's just too limiting when you're really just playing with the 270MB that the Arc has out of the box.
4. Design and Build Quality Sure, the Arc features an attractive and unique design but it's just too... SHINY. After a while, it starts to look tacky with the chrome bezel, whereas the O2X has a statelier, more refined and restrained design with its matte accents and Wenger-toned back. What's more, the materials used on the O2X are obviously of a higher quality -- the Arc's bezel is obviously some cheap plastic that will wear away after a while -- I've had SE Phones dating back to the P900 days and their bezels/sides wore out after a while. I am willing to bet the Arc will be no different. SE is just not very good when it comes to these things -- or it does this on purpose to get you to buy a new one form them. It's also occurred to me that the decision to implement the arc design probably contributed to the lack of storage; a "fatter" chassis would have allowed for more storage modules to be compressed into the body.
Now, the main complaints against the O2X are lags and the quality control that led to some units having bleeding back-lighting. Legitimate ones, to be sure but luckily, I didn't experience the latter and Paul's ROM fixed the former for the most part.
I bring up the custom ROMs because it's annoying that people are posting on XDA complaining about STOCK ROMs when everyone bloody well knows that XDA is the go-to place for custom ROMs. The level of inanity is just seriously grating. Why even bother to come here if you're just going to rant about Stock ROM issues? Do it on the Android forums!
If any Arc/SE Fanboys are reading this: please just stop comparing the two devices. It doesn't work. As a fellow Arc owner, I know you want to justify your purchase but just because it got released right around the same time as the O2X does not mean that they're meant to be compared. I use my Arc mainly as a spare.
If you want to rightly compare the O2X to some phones, this is a much better template: http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/15/htc-sensation-versus-the-rest-of-the-dual-core-world-smartphone/

Hey, I am not trying to start a flame war, especially since where I live the Arc isn't even an option. I am just curious as to the difference the dual core appears to make for daily use rather than quadrant scores. My next phone is going to be a dual core phone so I am not trying to start a bickering about single vs dual core. Thanks
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for now im still having se arc in my mind. the software is just so good, also love the skin of SE. a great camera too, its a fast and fluid phone. i like high scores in quadrant (btw 1,3- 1,5k is still a stock rom, so dont be comparing stock to non stock your self), but who gives a crap about them if you can run anything lag-free. of it just looks so plasticky, and too light for me too.
my only gripes on the O2x would be the battery screen bleed and shutdowns that every1 is crying about but probably still gonna try my luck and get it

jpbl1976 said:
If any Arc/SE Fanboys are reading this: please just stop comparing the two devices. It doesn't work. As a fellow Arc owner, I know you want to justify your purchase but just because it got released right around the same time as the O2X does not mean that they're meant to be compared. I use my Arc mainly as a spare.
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I don't own an arc or a 2x but looking into buying a new phone.
Why shouldn't they be compared?
They are both the latest android phones on the market and both are similarly priced with similar dimensions. People looking into buying a new android phone will be comparing these two and other phones to see what works best for them. I say keep the comparisons coming.

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I don't own an arc or a 2x but looking into buying a new phone.
Why shouldn't they be compared?
They are both the latest android phones on the market and both are similarly priced with similar dimensions. People looking into buying a new android phone will be comparing these two and other phones to see what works best for them. I say keep the comparisons coming.
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though they almost have the same pricing,
we can safely say that O2x is more future proof( having a dual core ).
I like SE arc's design but that's about it. overall the O2x is a lot better device. even the camera on the SE arc is not that impressive.

i never thought about LG or SE as one of my future phones but both companies are high on the list now since they offer phones with higher end specs and the liberty to flash new roms without much hassle.
I haven't touched an arc yet but the optimus 2x feels very nice and is a joy to play with, custom (read cm) software will only boost my enjoyment of this phone more and more.
Have been an HTC fan since the hero and i do like their buildquality but every time i try a different brand i'm smacked in the face with some of the details HTC always forgets (screen, speaker, batterylife).
Ofc (at least for now imo) LG has some major issues software wise but hopefully they will be fixed; I'd love to read this message back in a few months and just lauch at it while my LG is purring with CM goodness; this same CM goodness is brightly for SE, less for HTC and (unknown?) for Samsung. The lack of an easy way to root and flash custom roms is why I sweared never to buy a motorola phone ever again after the milestone.
Ofc this will be different for other people, but people are different

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[Q] From Milestone to a HD2, is it really a "worthy" upgrade?

Hi there, I've been a happy milestone user since February, but I recently started feeling that the low memory available (and locked bootloader) on it was kinda holding back the whole "android experience" (I know that thanks to the devs here the stone performs as good as the hardware can, a lot better than what a 256mb of ram would lead you to believe) so I went ahead and got an European hd2 (I don't live in the US, so I´ll get 3g on it just fine) the thing is that the HD2 hasn't yet arrive, and now I´m kinda having second thoughts, as what I first considered on the HD2 as an advantage (the whole, multi os thing) may in fact, be a weakness, because it may be faster than the milestone running android, but it probably won´t be as stable and that may again, hold me from getting the best from android, to be honest I've owned an htc tilt(which I loved to the point I'd flash it several times a day almost everyday and also put android on it), a touch pro 2 (Sprint version, flashed the bytes out of this one too, put android on it as well) both winmo phones had issues when running android (constant data corruption, battery life, etc) then I got the milestone and it's been performing rock solid to this day and I just want to know if you guys think I did the right thing from an "upgrading" point of view. thanks
ps: I sold the stone, I'll be delivering it to his new owner :-(

maybe
well..it all depends on what you want out of your phone. When I had my milestone I did consider the hd2.
If you want a multimedia phone the HD2 will destroy the milestone. More ram, bigger screen. It also runs miui better than the milestone so widgets dont die and your browsing experience will be better.
The touchscreen is the same with tru multitouch. not the like the nexus 1.
However if you want to use the phone for gaming quite frankly they both suck. The milestone I found when i had it had the gpu to play the latest games but not enough ram. However it has a qwerty keyboard so gba, snes emulators worked well. Also gamevill games like zennonia and destinia works great on the qwerty.
But then again the HD2 isnt much better. The bigger screen is nice and so is the 512mb of ram. However it is cursed with an adreno 200 gpu which is marginally slower the the sgx530 found in the milestone. The adreno 200 simply isnt going to cut it for any graphically demanding game. Even NOVA 1 lags slightly. You can forget about dungoen defenders on the HD2. though having said that chainfire does do HD2 drivers which seem to boost 3d performance a lot.
So basically yes from milestone to hd2 is an upgrade. sort of. HD2 has an unlocked bootloader so you can get custom kernels.
what i would recommned you to do if u get the hd2 is to install miui, install an undervolting kernel d then use a media player like rockplayer (software decoding) for video formats the the system player cannot play. Do that and you basically have an evo 4g which is one of the best phones of all time but sadly not available in the UK

Don't fret. I'm writting this from my touchpro 2 running xandroid (2.2 is what I'm using, 2.3 is out but buggy in beta). I haven't booted into winmo for actual use in months, and current uptime is almost a week. Android on winmo is much more stable than it used to be, batery performance is closer to what it should be. Bluetooth can still be a little funky (so I've heard, I don't use it), but hey, camera and and sound are rocking good now! Clocked at 600 MHz, performance in an active app is similar to what I see on my droid. Actually loading apps is much slower, I'm guessing because it is reading it from the sd rather than nand. But once loaded it is all good. I think you'll be happy with the HD2.
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Galaxy SII
Why dont you try the Samsung Galaxy SII.. that has shown to have improved performance over HD2 and many other multicore processor phones and even has a better GPU...
Also again if you really need a new phone, thats completely a personal choice..
Even thought the RAM on milestone is limited it is good enough for daily basic use for browsing light games and avi videos etc...
But if you wanna play high demanding 3d games you gotta move on..
Also Milestone does not play HD videos smoothly.. tried everything to make it do this...
Its totally upto you... you have the cash, you have the interest go for it,
Also try not to fall in te marketing trap of these mobile companies where every new phone is branded as a must have and a zillion times better than your old one..
The final question is do you really need it.

Thanks all for your comments.
@thre3aces: yes, I know about the poor performance the HD2 gpu has when compared to the milestone's gpu, but I figured that a bit more of ram and processor horsepower would help the adreno 200 gpu a bit, although I am not expecting anything spectacular from it, I'm planning to play a few games, but what I really want is a smoother experience from my phone and judging by the youtube videos I've seen, when it comes to the GUI, the HD2 perform almost as good as a Desire HD if you don't try to push it too far anyways, so overall I think that I can live with a worse gpu performance as long as the rest performs better.
@cbeck:
I'm glad the TP2 is still going on strong, I loved that phone, best full physical qwerty keyboard on a phone ever.
@lord_neo: I'm on a tight budget right now, I sold the Milestone for $147 and got the HD2 used for $200, for that's a fair price for a mildly used HD2. And even if I could afford the SG2 I wouldn't buy as I don't like the feel of the phone on my hands, it's too slim for my taste, I admit it is a beast of a phone, though and the screen is awesome.

elander said:
Thanks all for your comments.
@thre3aces: yes, I know about the poor performance the HD2 gpu has when compared to the milestone's gpu, but I figured that a bit more of ram and processor horsepower would help the adreno 200 gpu a bit, although I am not expecting anything spectacular from it, I'm planning to play a few games, but what I really want is a smoother experience from my phone and judging by the youtube videos I've seen, when it comes to the GUI, the HD2 perform almost as good as a Desire HD if you don't try to push it too far anyways, so overall I think that I can live with a worse gpu performance as long as the rest performs better.
@cbeck:
I'm glad the TP2 is still going on strong, I loved that phone, best full physical qwerty keyboard on a phone ever.
@lord_neo: I'm on a tight budget right now, I sold the Milestone for $147 and got the HD2 used for $200, for that's a fair price for a mildly used HD2. And even if I could afford the SG2 I wouldn't buy as I don't like the feel of the phone on my hands, it's too slim for my taste, I admit it is a beast of a phone, though and the screen is awesome.
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Yea so if ur gonna be trying to play dungeon defenders or nova 2 u will be fine with a hd2. Just a hint if u r gonna get it 2nd hand id recommend getting a new battery for it. Chances r since the hd2 is an old lone tags battery in it is probably very worn out
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[POLL] Your Opinion about The LG O2X so far

Hello,
This is al little poll
Many people are a little bit dissapointed of this phone.
The hardware is very good, but the service from Lg is the main factor why people are dissapointed.
I want to know what your opinion about this device is
What is your opinion about this phone so far?
(look above the post for the poll)

this isnt the best phone ive seen so far, it isnt even the best looking one so far, buuuuut... if we consider that at the date of creation of this phone it was the first dual core ever, with great graphics power and productivity to match, nowadays brands still make new phones that are very simmilar to the o2x if not equal, so id say time passes, things change, but at the time it was being sold, it was quite simply the best phone ever. oh, and at least lg doesnt make phones that look like cheap toys... *cough samsung *cough*
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ohhh i forgot, if you guys wanna blame any1, blame nvidia, coz none, i repeat NONE of the phones out there with the same tegra 2 series as our p990 have oficial ics yet, that would include samsung, motorola and maybe others

Poor battery
bad camera quality
Bad support for Android updates
Laggy and crappy software installed by LG (currently latest Miui very very smoothhhhh)
The rest it is a good peace of hardware.
Format ok
Touchscreen ok
Material used for outside ok
Image ok
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skylinegt77 said:
blame nvidia, coz none, i repeat NONE of the phones out there with the same tegra 2 series as our p990 have oficial ics yet, that would include samsung, motorola and maybe others
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Well said!
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ohhh i forgot, if you guys wanna blame any1, blame nvidia, coz none, i repeat NONE of the phones out there with the same tegra 2 series as our p990 have oficial ics yet, that would include samsung, motorola and maybe others
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You are right
The hardware is fantastic for a phone made about 2 years ago.
But nividia is the main problem.
If they aren't updating the drivers, a custom rom of cm10 will never work as it supposed to be
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rjjcvb said:
Poor battery
bad camera quality
Bad support for Android updates
Laggy and crappy software installed by LG (currently latest Miui very very smoothhhhh)
The rest it is a good peace of hardware.
Format ok
Touchscreen ok
Material used for outside ok
Image ok
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I add Low RAM, and, something that bothers me a lot, is that the screen is asymmetrical, the lower space (between the display and bezel) is huge while the top space is short. I also don't like the protuberant back (very low quality) camera.
On the other hand, the display density is very good, but the IPS does not seem to be very good quality, since viewing angles aren't that good.

dark_sat said:
I add Low RAM, and, something that bothers me a lot, is that the screen is asymmetrical, the lower space (between the display and bezel) is huge while the top space is short. I also don't like the protuberant back (very low quality) camera.
On the other hand, the display density is very good, but the IPS does not seem to be very good quality, since viewing angles aren't that good.
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I like the design of the phone in general.
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Okay so that is my opinion on the LG Optimus 2x or in Germany called "Speed".
I brought the device in the beginning of December 2011, I compared it to my exgirlfriends Samsung Galaxy S2 and similar devices hard and often.
I took it for alot of reasons:
First of all the LG Optimus 2x was way more handy/ergonomical compared to the SGS2, its not too thin, not too wide. It is a bit more like the iPhone. 4' inch is really the most ergonomical size in my opinion.
Second, the device hardware is still a very good competitor to the SGS2, the SGS2 does have HDSPA+ (which isn't even near to be an standard in german cities) and 1GiB of RAM, the Optimus does have "just" 512MiB and HDSPA but therefor the powerful Tegra 2. So paying +100€ more for the SGS2 was just a joke. Also the LG Optimus 2x feels simply better and looks better especially in white, like mine.
Third from the beginning, I didn't cared about the software, cuz its the same with a pre-installed Windows on a Netbook, there is just crap on the device and it's slow, so you are FORCED to clean up, root and install something like Modaco. Same goes for the SGS2.
ICS in general made some trouble on both SGS2 and 3 on the beginning, also that Gingerbread is a very stable software and is in general a very good piece brings me to the question why I should upgrade anyways? I know because it can give us better performance and it looks better, but the device just works, I can write SMS and make calls and battery life is also good. The battery always reaches 24hours easy. Even 48 hours are possible if you are busy with other things than playing around on the device but writing messages both WhatsApp with GPRS or SMS/Phone calls.
For me the LG Optmius 2x is handy, well priced and the software is doing what it should. I had the stock Froyo and Gingerbread each a month from December to February and I only upgraded to a customsoftware because I was bored. Games worked well and I never had problems with the device. I just cleaned up the stock software, thats it! The 512MiB RAM don't bottleneck the device IF you manage and close stuff on your own. YOU DON'T NEED 1GIB OF RAM. It just makes the user lazy to manage the software maybe spying him cuz he installed so many crap like facebook.
In the end I can say, its a good phone. For me it will be in service until 2014 or rather the end of 2014 with or without ICS. Nor the Optimus4x or the SGS3 or the HTC whatever they call it. Will give you more. You still just can write SMS, accept phone calls and use WhatsApp. Just faster? Or because you guys really need to show of you penis lenght? Be effecient and think about it. ^^
At least it rather depends on the user.

draugurio said:
I like the design of the phone in general.
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Same here!!
For me the battery had normal duration like other smartphone.
camera isn't too bad and we have an excellent community support :highfive:
I am very satisfied with my P990

Crap GB ROM!!!
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I agree with N3mesis. Actually GB STOCK and CM7 is quite stable on this phone and battery lasts around 20 hours with moderate usage. In fact presently none of the highend phones gives much over the O2X excepting quad cores and higher RAM. Infact 512 RAM has never posed any problem for me and i have always 50 to 100 mb RAM free depending on roms and softwares used. I dont think quad cores and huge RAMs are required for phones for daily use including a bit of gaming like temple run etc. And regarding ICS it is just my over expectation of getting it as promised by LG makes me feel bad when they are not delivering it.
Only thing is LG knows how to kill their FIRST IN THE WORLD FLAGSHIP phone and destroy fans and customer base.

You guys basically sum up my situation. When I was shopping for a smartphone (coming off a Huawei X3) I looked at the GS2 and the Motorola 4G but this was cheaper, had similar specifications, and felt better in my hand. I also liked the little HDMI port.
I updated to stock GB when I got it, rooted with NVFlash, and used Titanium Backup to remove some of the preinstalled software. Apart from an unfortunate fall which chipped up the plastic trim (didn't chip the glass though) it's been sweet.
Production battery life isn't great but I picked up a couple of 3500mAh batteries on eBay for $16. They'll last a day or more with moderate use and I charge every night anyway.
Of course the problem now is, thanks to the clever people on here, upgrading to another phone becomes increasingly pointless. I'm still on the stock ROM but have a modified kernel that is advertised as making it faster and smoother, and it certainly seems like it does. The battery does seem to drain faster when I'm reading on FBReader, but that could be my imagination. Otherwise it's very good.
Sure, the Galaxy S3 is a better phone, but is it $700 better? For what I use it for, this is more than adequate.
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The xda forums are what keep this phone alive to this day.
Its a good device but I've seen better ones, however not at this price.
The real problem with it, no matter how you see it is lg and their way of treating the device.
This one could profit a lot from a jelly bean update.
Until then however I will stay on WajkIUI ROM and be happy.
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It feels like we paid for HW not SW upgrade with LG
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N3mesis said:
Okay so that is my opinion on the LG Optimus 2x or in Germany called "Speed".
I brought the device in the beginning of December 2011, I compared it to my exgirlfriends Samsung Galaxy S2 and similar devices hard and often.
I took it for alot of reasons:
First of all the LG Optimus 2x was way more handy/ergonomical compared to the SGS2, its not too thin, not too wide. It is a bit more like the iPhone. 4' inch is really the most ergonomical size in my opinion.
Second, the device hardware is still a very good competitor to the SGS2, the SGS2 does have HDSPA+ (which isn't even near to be an standard in german cities) and 1GiB of RAM, the Optimus does have "just" 512MiB and HDSPA but therefor the powerful Tegra 2. So paying +100€ more for the SGS2 was just a joke. Also the LG Optimus 2x feels simply better and looks better especially in white, like mine.
Third from the beginning, I didn't cared about the software, cuz its the same with a pre-installed Windows on a Netbook, there is just crap on the device and it's slow, so you are FORCED to clean up, root and install something like Modaco. Same goes for the SGS2.
ICS in general made some trouble on both SGS2 and 3 on the beginning, also that Gingerbread is a very stable software and is in general a very good piece brings me to the question why I should upgrade anyways? I know because it can give us better performance and it looks better, but the device just works, I can write SMS and make calls and battery life is also good. The battery always reaches 24hours easy. Even 48 hours are possible if you are busy with other things than playing around on the device but writing messages both WhatsApp with GPRS or SMS/Phone calls.
For me the LG Optmius 2x is handy, well priced and the software is doing what it should. I had the stock Froyo and Gingerbread each a month from December to February and I only upgraded to a customsoftware because I was bored. Games worked well and I never had problems with the device. I just cleaned up the stock software, thats it! The 512MiB RAM don't bottleneck the device IF you manage and close stuff on your own. YOU DON'T NEED 1GIB OF RAM. It just makes the user lazy to manage the software maybe spying him cuz he installed so many crap like facebook.
In the end I can say, its a good phone. For me it will be in service until 2014 or rather the end of 2014 with or without ICS. Nor the Optimus4x or the SGS3 or the HTC whatever they call it. Will give you more. You still just can write SMS, accept phone calls and use WhatsApp. Just faster? Or because you guys really need to show of you penis lenght? Be effecient and think about it. ^^
At least it rather depends on the user.
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Im agree with all you said. The phone works like it should must to work. I know that the LG software sucks, but the phone was the cheapest( and the best) than i could get in that moment.
The moderator can already close this post , there are not more to say, N3mesis said all.
Srry 4 my bad english guys!!!
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I think this is a great device... Very capable camera, nice screen, good battery, and feels great in the hand. Only downside is the support we aren't receiving from nVidia. 512MB of RAM is more than enough.... and why do viewing angles... Do you expect yourself to be lying down on your bed and having your phone laying face up on your night stand watching a movie?
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+1

I got this phone second hand about 2 months ago as my first Android phone. I must say that the open source Android world is really vast and awesome. This phone is by far the best phone I've ever owned.
The stuff I like:
+ good screen
+ nice design & build quality (though the bottom part is a bit long imo)
+ fast processor
+ Android of course, and really good devs
+ being "unbrickable" (I've bricked my sis's Galaxy 5 before :/...)
+ value for money
Stuff I don't quite like:
- poor support from LG/nVidia
- battery life, especially on 3G data
- feels heavy compared to other phones
- seems to lack RAM at times (I have lots of stuff installed/running). 1GB would've been nice. - camera could've been slightly better
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This phone has the nest hardware best look and with cm7 it's almost best in software (waiting for cm10 after the official drivers we get)...fir me this is awesome phone in almost every sense...

To all the people that say that the camera is bad, i compared it to my sister's GS2 and it isn't that awfull as you say it is, it is a camera phone! Are you really expecting DSLR quality from a phone? (Just a little side note, some of the people that say that their phone camera sucks just doesn't know how to handle the camera, try to explore the camera settings for a bit to see if you can take better pics.)

The new Nexus4 is out

Original post here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/nexus-best-of-google-now-in-three-sizes.html
I love my Incredible S. But damn you Google, that offer is unbeatable.
@Mod: if it is not allow to post here, then I am sorry. Plz delete this thread. I don't mean to spam the forum.

thuanle said:
Original post here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/nexus-best-of-google-now-in-three-sizes.html
I love my Incredible S. But damn you Google, that offer is unbeatable.
@Mod: if it is not allow to post here, then I am sorry. Plz delete this thread. I don't mean to spam the forum.
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AWESOME! Gf is getting me the Nexus 10 for Xmas, and I'll buy myself a Nexus 4 around the same time! 2560x1600 10" display, here I come! :highfive:

Never thought that the price would be so unbeatable! Maaan, why did I buy a Galaxy Nexus?

Oh for the love of god! What is with the lack of expandable storage in Nexus devices? I mean, this looks like the perfect device for me, but that lack of an SD Card is a real killer. 16 gig maximum storage, and no option to upgrade? What is this, an iPhone?

CyanideJack said:
Oh for the love of god! What is with the lack of expandable storage in Nexus devices? I mean, this looks like the perfect device for me, but that lack of an SD Card is a real killer. 16 gig maximum storage, and no option to upgrade? What is this, an iPhone?
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Yeah, I know. My 32GB SD card has only 10GB free.

I only ever use around 6gb I clean up my stuff a lot.
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ZaySk said:
AWESOME! Gf is getting me the Nexus 10 for Xmas, and I'll buy myself a Nexus 4 around the same time! 2560x1600 10" display, here I come! :highfive:
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No offence but having a Nexus 7 now, I think it would be a bit boring to have two AOSP devices. Especially coming from sense I used to have AOSP before my N7, but now I only use sense on my IncS

vizzy said:
I only ever use around 6gb I clean up my stuff a lot.
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Same here, I used an 8GB for about half a year before upgrading to 16GB. Never had a problem with space, I just delete apps I don't use and clean out junk folders. I also backup important stuff on my SD card, and then format it every couple of months to keep it clean.
markj338 said:
No offence but having a Nexus 7 now, I think it would be a bit boring to have two AOSP devices. Especially coming from sense I used to have AOSP before my N7, but now I only use sense on my IncS
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While you do have a good point, I've never liked Sense or other skins anyways. Given the choice, I'd always choose an AOSP ROM over a Sense ROM. Pretty much the only reason I'm using a Sense ROM is because it's stable. Sense ROM's are fun to play around with for something new, but I quickly get bored of the limited options available in Rosie and uninstall it and replace it with Apex Launcher. Even tweaked Sense bores me, plus Sense is pretty heavy and I always feel like AOSP is noticeably smoother.
Plus, with a Nexus, I wouldn't have to put up with half-assed, hacked together AOSP ROM's. No offense to any devs! It's just stupid that some things related to a device (drivers, company proprietary libs etc) are never available and have to be hacked to work. I hate that, it's very annoying. With a Nexus, I don't have to worry about that. (I think?...)

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Same here, I used an 8GB for about half a year before upgrading to 16GB. Never had a problem with space, I just delete apps I don't use and clean out junk folders. I also backup important stuff on my SD card, and then format it every couple of months to keep it clean.
While you do have a good point, I've never liked Sense or other skins anyways. Given the choice, I'd always choose an AOSP ROM over a Sense ROM. Pretty much the only reason I'm using a Sense ROM is because it's stable. Sense ROM's are fun to play around with for something new, but I quickly get bored of the limited options available in Rosie and uninstall it and replace it with Apex Launcher. Even tweaked Sense bores me, plus Sense is pretty heavy and I always feel like AOSP is noticeably smoother.
Plus, with a Nexus, I wouldn't have to put up with half-assed, hacked together AOSP ROM's. No offense to any devs! It's just stupid that some things related to a device (drivers, company proprietary libs etc) are never available and have to be hacked to work. I hate that, it's very annoying. With a Nexus, I don't have to worry about that. (I think?...)
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I have a 16gb N7 and 16gb card in my phone, they get filled with backups of roms lol
I use dropbox and I have a USB OTG cable for all the haevy stuff like movies
I completely agree with your statement on AOSP roms and their stability. While some roms are quite good and fast, none can match a proper AOSP device, like a nexus. None. My N7 is super fast and I underclock it to 1.15GHz to save battery
This is the reason I might be going Sony next: their roms are quite AOSP-like and their source is similar to AOSP, no big changes like Samsung and HTC
Most AOSP and other JB roms for other devices (I mean custom roms) do not have proper project butter working, eg. CM10 on the exynos devices because there is no proper source for drivers and stuff. Although this might change with the Nexus 10

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I have a 16gb N7 and 16gb card in my phone, they get filled with backups of roms lol
I use dropbox and I have a USB OTG cable for all the haevy stuff like movies
I completely agree with your statement on AOSP roms and their stability. While some roms are quite good and fast, none can match a proper AOSP device, like a nexus. None. My N7 is super fast and I underclock it to 1.15GHz to save battery
This is the reason I might be going Sony next: their roms are quite AOSP-like and their source is similar to AOSP, no big changes like Samsung and HTC
Most AOSP and other JB roms for other devices (I mean custom roms) do not have proper project butter working, eg. CM10 on the exynos devices because there is no proper source for drivers and stuff. Although this might change with the Nexus 10
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I used to have a crapload of backups as well, but I realized it would be more efficient to simply keep one backup of my favorite ROM at the time. I try to keep that one backup as current as possible. I gotta get an external HDD to store my music and movies as well
Yes we did have some great devs working on AOSP for our device, and they did a damn great job IMO. It's just the company that limits how good AOSP ROM's are due to not releasing sources for certain components, forcing the community to resort to hacks and other trickery to get it working properly. Damn it must be nice to be able to actually underclock without creating a laggy device. I feel like it's absolutely necessary to OC the Inc S to 1.3 GHz on AOSP, and 1.4-5GHz on Sense, in order to get a decent experience. Not that big of a deal, seeing as there were quite a few phones released with the same SoC as ours, but ran at 1.4GHz stock so the SoC can obviously handle the OC, luckily.
I'm strongly considering Sony as well, if they release a device by Xmas that has at least an S4 Pro SoC, preferably a true Cortex A-15 based SoC. They seem to be one of few companies that really do open up their phones completely for the community, and that's pretty much the #1 most important decision that will decide what phone I get.

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I used to have a crapload of backups as well, but I realized it would be more efficient to simply keep one backup of my favorite ROM at the time. I try to keep that one backup as current as possible. I gotta get an external HDD to store my music and movies as well
Yes we did have some great devs working on AOSP for our device, and they did a damn great job IMO. It's just the company that limits how good AOSP ROM's are due to not releasing sources for certain components, forcing the community to resort to hacks and other trickery to get it working properly. Damn it must be nice to be able to actually underclock without creating a laggy device. I feel like it's absolutely necessary to OC the Inc S to 1.3 GHz on AOSP, and 1.4-5GHz on Sense, in order to get a decent experience. Not that big of a deal, seeing as there were quite a few phones released with the same SoC as ours, but ran at 1.4GHz stock so the SoC can obviously handle the OC, luckily.
I'm strongly considering Sony as well, if they release a device by Xmas that has at least an S4 Pro SoC, preferably a true Cortex A-15 based SoC. They seem to be one of few companies that really do open up their phones completely for the community, and that's pretty much the #1 most important decision that will decide what phone I get.
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Wow I keep mine at 1024MHz all the time. I overclock it to 1.4 sometimes when I play heavy games but that is it. I don't think my N7 has ever seen past 1.4GHz, when I was testing one of faux123's kernels
I think Sony might wait until MWC next year in Jan or whenever it is, because they just released new phones. But I don't need top performance on my phone anymore, I use it for calling, texting, xda-ing and a bit of internet. I play games and do more processor-intensive things on my Nexus 7
Did you guys see this video? It makes me want to buy one next
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
I like the look of it, and the hardware. And of course the charger *drools*

I hope they'll release a 32gb model :/
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Ihad considered this but in England LG does not have the best reputation so I tend to stay away. Also, the HOX+ is meant to have one of the better cameras around and I don't know how is feel if the N4 cam isn't as good. I've also became a fan of sense .....
However, I am deffo getting the N10 device. I'll probs get it after Xmas when the initial rush has gone. Then I can read my magazines, books and general browsing easyier than on a phone.
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I worry that these Nexus devices may start a president with regards to lack of removable storage. I understand Google's thinking behind using the Cloud as a portable storage medium, but my 500mb a month contract means downloading/streaming anything over data is pretty much out of the question. And living in the sticks means my data connection is flaky most of the time anyway. Until the price of truly 'unlimited' data plans drops considerably, and until coverage becomes better for non-built up areas, cloud storage is pointless for me.
I also notice there's no support for LTE on this device, but given the price that's hardly an issue.
Think I'll be waiting for the 32gb model to.

For me 16GB is totally enough. I had 8GB for a year and it was a bit too less but now I have 16GB on my GNex and I never get it even close to full So no Cloud stuff for me

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For me 16GB is totally enough. I had 8GB for a year and it was a bit too less but now I have 16GB on my GNex and I never get it even close to full So no Cloud stuff for me
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Well for me, I like to download videos like anime and comedy sketches, I guess that's why I need lots of space. And maybe because I have The Dark Knight Rises, Order & Chaos Online in my phone :/
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Wow I keep mine at 1024MHz all the time. I overclock it to 1.4 sometimes when I play heavy games but that is it. I don't think my N7 has ever seen past 1.4GHz, when I was testing one of faux123's kernels
I think Sony might wait until MWC next year in Jan or whenever it is, because they just released new phones. But I don't need top performance on my phone anymore, I use it for calling, texting, xda-ing and a bit of internet. I play games and do more processor-intensive things on my Nexus 7
Did you guys see this video? It makes me want to buy one next
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/29/google-nexus-4-hands-on/
I like the look of it, and the hardware. And of course the charger *drools*
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I hate it when there's noticeable lag, and I've always been picky about the performance of all my technological devices lol. I'm actually running my CPU at 1.5GHz right now on smartassv2. I still get good battery life despite the big OC, and I haven't noticed any instability at all. Also helps that I UV'ed 50mv I've always preferred performance over battery life. I'd rather have a snappy device that dies an hour quicker, than a slightly laggy device that lasts longer.
Yea, that's what I was thinking. Unfortunate. But I really want that Nexus 4, especially at that price! I'll be honest, I love google right now. They're pushing the boundaries(in a good way) on pricing for top end devices, and I f**king love it!
Dat S4 Pro Quad....WANT

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I hate it when there's noticeable lag, and I've always been picky about the performance of all my technological devices lol. I'm actually running my CPU at 1.5GHz right now on smartassv2. I still get good battery life despite the big OC, and I haven't noticed any instability at all. Also helps that I UV'ed 50mv I've always preferred performance over battery life. I'd rather have a snappy device that dies an hour quicker, than a slightly laggy device that lasts longer.
Yea, that's what I was thinking. Unfortunate. But I really want that Nexus 4, especially at that price! I'll be honest, I love google right now. They're pushing the boundaries(in a good way) on pricing for top end devices, and I f**king love it!
Dat S4 Pro Quad....WANT
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I hardly have any lag with my settings now
Mine can't handle any UV at 1.4GHz I noticed that while playing shadowgun, it kept freezing and not responding to anything but a battery pull
The only other thing that might keep me away is no 4G Hopefully the camera is a beast
Yeah the S4 quad looks really good. I can get the same performance with my N7 running at those speeds, but no way near the efficiency. I am also interested in the audio chip, because the S4 one is supposed to be really good, compared to the Tegra 3 one.
l0st.prophet has been very active in the N4 forums, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us end up there. There is already an ex-desire S user off topic thread lol

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I hardly have any lag with my settings now
Mine can't handle any UV at 1.4GHz I noticed that while playing shadowgun, it kept freezing and not responding to anything but a battery pull
The only other thing that might keep me away is no 4G Hopefully the camera is a beast
Yeah the S4 quad looks really good. I can get the same performance with my N7 running at those speeds, but no way near the efficiency. I am also interested in the audio chip, because the S4 one is supposed to be really good, compared to the Tegra 3 one.
l0st.prophet has been very active in the N4 forums, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of us end up there. There is already an ex-desire S user off topic thread lol
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I still notice lag even at 1.5GHz sometimes. Annoying. Hmm that's strange, even at 1.5GHz I don't have any instabilities with UV. I really want to upgrade, to me the Inc S is showing its age internally. Especially in RAM, 2GB of RAM will be heaven. Still in love with the gorgeous color saturation in the screen though!
Meh, 4G isn't to big a deal for me. I have it available in Whitehorse, but HSPA+ is good enough for when I don't have wifi. I just can't resist the price, and I'm thinking about going on pay-as-you-go instead of the ass-rapingly expensive contracts. I practically never call anyone (who does these days?) so I only need data.
The S4 Pro's GPU especially looks very promising. Much better than the Mali 400 in the Exynos 4 series, according to early reports. Plus it's as close as I'll get to a Cortex A15 cpu That's great news, I was hoping the N4 would have a decent audio chip.
Hehe, let's all conspire to take over the N4 forums. All Inc S user's at once abandon this device, and move full force into the N4 forums! :silly::victory: Seriously though, the more people that come from this great community to the N4 forums, the better. :good:

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I still notice lag even at 1.5GHz sometimes. Annoying. Hmm that's strange, even at 1.5GHz I don't have any instabilities with UV. I really want to upgrade, to me the Inc S is showing its age internally. Especially in RAM, 2GB of RAM will be heaven. Still in love with the gorgeous color saturation in the screen though!
Meh, 4G isn't to big a deal for me. I have it available in Whitehorse, but HSPA+ is good enough for when I don't have wifi. I just can't resist the price, and I'm thinking about going on pay-as-you-go instead of the ass-rapingly expensive contracts. I practically never call anyone (who does these days?) so I only need data.
The S4 Pro's GPU especially looks very promising. Much better than the Mali 400 in the Exynos 4 series, according to early reports. Plus it's as close as I'll get to a Cortex A15 cpu That's great news, I was hoping the N4 would have a decent audio chip.
Hehe, let's all conspire to take over the N4 forums. All Inc S user's at once abandon this device, and move full force into the N4 forums! :silly::victory: Seriously though, the more people that come from this great community to the N4 forums, the better. :good:
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That's not fair Oh well, you use 1.5 more than I do I think its processor is showing its age. Some things I am used to using my N7 for, and the IncS is THAT much slower at doing things. But on Venom, everything is super smooth Same with your rom actually, although I used the ultra smooth rosie (I am too on Venom)
I am thinking about getting off a contract too, and buying the phone outright. But, when you add both up it would probably be cheaper still to go on a plan here, for maybe $50 a month or whatever they will give the N4 away free on
Yes, the GPU is a monster, apparently it smashes the Tegra 3 which has a massive GPU, super powered. The Tegra 3 is soo powerful, even at the underclocked speeds I have it at now, I can't actually imagine what you could do with more power at this time.
Don't abandon this device because I am staying here until May next year!

Worthy Successor for sgs+?

Hey all
I'm looking for a replacement for my phone as I'm frustrated by it. I have done some research and the phones which I'm leaning towards are the Nexus 4, Optimus G & Droid DNA. (I don't live in the States but I'm going there on holiday now, so I think the DNA is out unless an international variant is coming out soon) I have a maximum budget of $500.
Thanks I really appreciate your advice.
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Those are great devices.
I would add SGS3 also to the list.
Galaxy Nexus is good too.
SGS2,for example, is still good choice if you want cheaper.

You need to ask yourself some questions like : What will the new phone allow me to do that I can't do now? Will I play graphic intense games that require quad core?
I asked myself these questions and more after every new phone that was released after the origonal SGSI. I didn't upgrade until the Note 2 came out. There was no need as far as I was concerned. My passion is photo and photo retouching!
What do you do most with your phone? It may be worth saving up for something you won't be disappointed with after two months.

Thanks for the replies
Well I manly use my phone for socializing, media and my main means of using the Internet. I occasionally play games and I'm very much a power user.
^^ I thought about the sgs3 and while it's not as powerful as the Optimus G it is significantly cheaper, but then it starts to fall in the Nexus' price range which gives more bang for the buck imho. As for the others I think the Nexus 4 also out performs them.
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Why are u frustated, I love my SGS+, with SmoothieICS or SmoothieJB ROM it is fastest ever !!!

It just is so unreliable. It freezes everyday at least twice if not more and it so so laggy all the time Our phone also has extremely little dev support. I have run quite a few roms (Cranium back in the day, Moonrom, Ivendors and Acro's CM9.) and kernels (Cranium 2ghz, Vitality, Skyhigh and CastangaIT) on my phone heck I have even tried numerous scripts (Thunderbolt, Adrenaline, V6 and geeky engine (lol)) but still it always suffers from the above.
tl;dr I just want a working Android phone
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Would you still recommend Motorola Razr i?

Hi guys, sorry for opening a new topic.
The question is this: A year ago I had a Xperia Ray, wich was a good phone. I did the stupid move of trading it for a LG optimus black, and this ****ty phone didn't last for more than 4 months... Then, according to my posibilities, I got an ipod touch 4G and a small normal phone to stay in touch. Long history.
Now I have the chance of getting a new smartphone. First, I wanted the Motorola Razr D3 and I liked it but I see no development for it here in XDA, probably because this phone is mainly focused to the latin market. That phone has a very cheap price, and I see that it has a guaranteed Android upgrade, this makes me wonder if the phone is gonna be upgradable to 4.4 Kitkat or just to Android 4.2 or 4.3... Nobody seems to know it at the moment.
Then, I started to check the Motorola Razr i closely, and I saw a video of it when technically crushes the samsung galaxy s3 in performance and multi-tasking, then I saw there's development for it and that's a good thing. Now one important question: You guys honestly think Razr i will be upgraded to Android 4.4 KitKat?
There would be a big chance considering that Motorola is now part of Google.
In conclusion, I have only $385 US dollars available for getting my next phone. I don't have any phone service plan, I hate them, I always get my phones to work in prepaid mode. And I consider that spending more than $500 US dollars for a phone is not very intelligent (sorry about this if I offend somebody), plus, I'm not precisely rich to get the latest flagships.
This are my options at the moment:
-Motorola Razr i: intel inside, good performance, but I don't know if will be updated to Android 4.4. It's one year old. They also say camera has bad quality.
-Motorola Razr D3: dual core, but kinda old chipset and GPU, it comes with the promise of an Android update guaranteed (they don't specify wich version tough)
-Xperia L: I like Sony, and this one comes with dual core and Adreno GPU 305, but Sony fails hard when it's about upgrading their phones.
-Xperia M: Same case as L, plus the fact that it isn't available in my country yet.
-Any other option you would want to recommend me?
Now, why I'm opening this topic here? Because I like Motorola and I consider that this brand is synonymous of quality. I got Motorola phones years ago and they were very good. I really like Razr i and D3, they're small, compact, beautiful and give stock Android experience. Please guys, give your opinion and recommendations and anwer the main question.
Thanks in advance.

Yeh i recommend it, it's a nice phone and can get some updates, and it's a pretty smart, and have "low cost", if u can pay a bit more of course u can have some better phone with quad-core.

I find it a likeable phone, good for everything but it does not excel. Above all, reliable (after 9 months).
But it's currently updated to JB 4.1.1, and that's I think where it'll stay. (I kept it on the original 4.0.4 so I kept FM functionality and haven't noticed I've missed anything important). Moto are developing the Moto X (I think). The Razr is history, a bit of an in-betweener. So if a phone which gets the latest updates is important to you I wouldn't sadly touch the Razr i.
My other phone is an Xperia Z, bigger and better. But day to day I prefer the Razr i, and don't feel I'm missing out. But neither am I obsessed with the latest tweaks and mods. And because its processor is Intel, I think a bit of patience, intelligence, a willingness to learn and not to expect everything to be handed to you on a plate is in order; and it isn't a piece of electronic jewellery to impress your friends. But that's just like many good things in life.

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I find it a likeable phone, good for everything but it does not excel. Above all, reliable (after 9 months).
But it's currently updated to JB 4.1.1, and that's I think where it'll stay. (I kept it on the original 4.0.4 so I kept FM functionality and haven't noticed I've missed anything important). Moto are developing the Moto X (I think). The Razr is history, a bit of an in-betweener. So if a phone which gets the latest updates is important to you I wouldn't sadly touch the Razr i.
My other phone is an Xperia Z, bigger and better. But day to day I prefer the Razr i, and don't feel I'm missing out. But neither am I obsessed with the latest tweaks and mods. And because its processor is Intel, I think a bit of patience, intelligence, a willingness to learn and not to expect everything to be handed to you on a plate is in order; and it isn't a piece of electronic jewellery to impress your friends. But that's just like many good things in life.
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I will give you some ideas regarding the razr i
Keep in mind that the z2480 processor from the Razr i is single core WITH hyperthreading.
Gaming is going to be limited mostly by the GPU on these "cheap" phones.
If the game is written with native ARM code there will be binary translation occurring on the fly on the Razr i / and some games are not compatible.
The phone lasts 2 days of typical use, or 1 day of really heavy use (For example 1 day with 7-8 hour screen time while indoors).
The camera benefits with software tweaks, and with decent/good lightning it can take very good photos. Take a look at these photos which were taken and lightly post-processed -- they are outdoor photos as you can see.
https://plus.google.com/photos/111844992738896496541/albums/5580215365238675713/5911088854762682674?pid=5911088854762682674&oid=111844992738896496541
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Thank you so much guys, you're helping me to take a decision.
Just for the facts: I'm a gamer but not a phone gamer, I don't use my phones to play very much, just games like Tetris, Angry Birds and maybe Asphalt, I rather to play in my console or PC.
Also, photography is not a big deal for me, but yeah, I want good quality in the pictures and videos I take.
If somebody else wants to contribute with more opinions and information please go ahead.

El Brillantinas said:
Thank you so much guys, you're helping me to take a decision.
Just for the facts: I'm a gamer but not a phone gamer, I don't use my phones to play very much, just games like Tetris, Angry Birds and maybe Asphalt, I rather to play in my console or PC.
Also, photography is not a big deal for me, but yeah, I want good quality in the pictures and videos I take.
If somebody else wants to contribute with more opinions and information please go ahead.
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Certainly not.
I used to have a Moto Defy, with a huge developer/modding community around the globe.
I Miss it badly now, as moto does give a f* for us. The intel thing make the modding very hard, and and I don't think the benefit is worth it.
Seriously thinking in make the switch to the Moto X, which probably will have a bigger base for modding.

I would not recommend the RAZR i anymore .. I won't judge too hard on it, because it's still not rooted yet (since one year exactly) and i was and still am used to rooted android devices. With the RAZR i after a year, battery life decreased, i am in constant RAM problems as the 1gb are full with not that much apps, so for example, if i switch from whatsapp to the browser and back, it most likely killed whatsapp by then. That's annoying as hell, especially because my old Desire HD did a better job with AOSP/4.04. The worst part is that the RAZR i isn't updated and there's no development such as cyanogenmod for it. For me, this means a lot. My RAZR i is in repair right now because i got it with a broken audio jack and i'm using the much older galaxy S2 by a friend, broken display, sensors sometimes fail, but it runs so much better. Why? Because of the rom, HellyBean/4.2.2, it runs so much better despite it has less ram and should have the slower processor.
Ah, almost forgot, the VERY handy camera button (which i absolutely love and miss on the S2 i use right now) somehow seems broken too, maybe software, most of the time i have to press it twice before it launches the camera. It triggers well though, so i guess that's software too. It just doesn't run that fine as i wished it would.

I would still recommend it, but ONLY if you're fine with the possibility that this probably won't be getting Kitkat. It's a very capable phone, I use it mostly for news email and browsing and like Omar said it usually lasts two days (something not a lot of phones can brag about, sadly.) the battery life I'd say is one of this phone's best features. If you root it and run a custom rom the phone preforms beautifully too. Just be prepared to live with *some* compatibility issues with certain apps.
In my opinion, buy it. For the price I'm seeing it at these days which is about ~150 dollars, it's a crazy good deal. Just don't expect it to see any updates from Motorola any time soon.
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I think it's still a great phone, i dont want a bigger phone and if you too don't want anything bigger than this then i think that still there is no better phone as all the other are bigger with the same screen size or bigger screen size.
There might be one that i would trade it for but it's still a rumor just, huawei d2 mini, 4.3 screen, quadcore, 2gb of ram...
As far as defects in this phone i would say:
- Low earpiece volume( i will try viper4android app for this )
-It´s heavier on the top so it would be more confortable to use if that was reversed
-If you updating any app the phone will lag a bit
-Original camera is not great, the pics are a bit without color
I dont play on the phone i say nothing about that
If you buy this phone try the infinirom v6, its great, it leaves a lot of free ram and the rom it's basically the original one so everything works great but with a lot more ram free

I still think razr I is a great phone (not the best) even with 1 year past
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