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Droid 4 in 2.5 weeks? Are you ******* kidding me?

http://www.zimbio.com/New+Mobile+Ph...Verizon+Leaks+Support+Motorola+Droid+4+Launch

No wonder Hashcode is like the ONLY Dev working on CM7 for this phone. I can't believe they'd release the D4 6 months after the D3. Such BS.

.... That is why a Verizon stuff sell me his droid 3 last week ......

I purchased the Droid3 on the day it was released in July and I'm furious. I'm sure people who purchased it a month ago are going ballistic now that they are out of the return window. Can't believe this is being released in two weeks. I'm about 90% ready to pay the ETF and switch to Straight Talk and get out of contracts for good. I can get practically any phone available US or imported and use it on ST.
I know the service probably pales in comparison to Verizons but at $80/month for 24 months, there should be more of a protection in future-proofing phones. Checked on Verizon for trade-in value, $80...

Looks like a razor with a keyboard, kinda ugly imho, i can't see this coming out too soon.
Anyways locked bootloader which will take even more months to be come usable, same specs as the droid 3 with maybe 1gb of ram and a 1.2 cpu, not worth an upgrade at all.
-smc

I find it amusing that people are surprised by this. As soon as the Droid 3 came out I knew it would be followed by a 4g version not long after. I also don't understand why people are upset about it. Your phone doesn't automatically become worse when this phone launches. And anyone who thought the Droid 3 was going to get good dev support was out of their minds. We're super lucky to even have hash. Either way I can't wait to get a Galaxy Nexus. Totally done with Motocrap. 32gb card still doesn't work for music.

People, it's Motorola. Like any other corporation, they want some way to get more money, and if they need to release the first 4G/LTE slider phone, then they want to do it as fast as they can..
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i4mt3hwin said:
I find it amusing that people are surprised by this. As soon as the Droid 3 came out I knew it would be followed by a 4g version not long after. I also don't understand why people are upset about it. Your phone doesn't automatically become worse when this phone launches. And anyone who thought the Droid 3 was going to get good dev support was out of their minds. We're super lucky to even have hash. Either way I can't wait to get a Galaxy Nexus. Totally done with Motocrap. 32gb card still doesn't work for music.
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I'm in the same boat. I've had a DX and now a D3. Screw Moto, I'm going to break the keyboard mapping file, take this piece back as my 2nd return, pull the same shenanigans for a 3rd return, and then flip $#!+ about this phone being a turd and get a GNex. I want pure Android from it's creator, not this MotoBull.

I knew this would happen.. I was pissed that much better phones were released within a week after this phone was released... Personal preference is now key to buying phones these days. Technology is only advancing FASTER meaning something twice as good will be released within weeks of what the best is now. 2 years ago we had a 550mhz D1, year later the speed and ram doubles with the D2, not quite a year passes and now dual core is standard. Less than 6 months and quadcore phones will make the D4 comparable to owning a D1. All I have to really say is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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and if they need to release the first 4G/LTE slider phone, then they want to do it as fast as they can..
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They already did, same release date as our XT862, its called the Motorola XT860 4G, AKA Canadian Bell Droid 3...
http://developer.motorola.com/products/xt860-4g/

So what it's ugly and battary not portable. They must keep supporting the droid 3 with updates though

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Wasnt this supposedly the leaked image of the razor, like 2 months ago????? lol

Luckily we still have Hash;who is btw doing an awesome job. Another thing we have in our favor is that the D3 & Bionic are so similar, so hopefully we can piggyback alot of ROM's, Mods, & Themes.

Oh men. I buy Droid 3, four days ago...

Of all the people with a D3 pissed that the D4 is being released....do you even have 4G service where you live? I don't so I could give a **** less.
*I love my Droid3..f'off Samsung Captivate*

Are you really care?
I bought D3 because it's a global phone. But the D4 is NOT.
It's CDMA and 4G only.

arthurcorell said:
Are you really care?
I bought D3 because it's a global phone. But the D4 is NOT.
It's CDMA and 4G only.
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Specs I saw is that the D4 is the first LTE Global Phone
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tila11 said:
Oh men. I buy Droid 3, four days ago...
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Assuming you bought from VZW, you have a 30 return period. You're in luck.

I've also read about this yesterday, it appears that the gsm and removable back had been removed as well. Guess tone to move to a bionic
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I wont have 4G service where I am for a while, so having a 4G radio is more of a hassle at the moment. I refuse to buy a phone with a non-removable battery, its one of the reasons I stay away from the iPhone. The Droid 4 looks like it still has Gingerbread on it. I'm not so sure what people are mad over.

i just GOT my Droid 3, WTF motorola

D3 End-Of-Life speculation, what's your take on this?

http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/02/droid...-to-be-discontinued-in-january-report-claims/
How is it going to affect our phone and service? I had a D1 before the upgrade (a short while ago). As far as I can remember, D1 didn't reach that mark somewhere 1 year or more after its inception. Anyway, how do you feel about this if it turns out to be true?
Thank you.

I like my phone and with Hash porting ICS, it is even sweeter. Who cares?
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My old phone was the Droid Eris, which received its 2.1 upgrade after it stopped selling and has received two security updates since, including one in March 2011, about one year after the Eris went EOL.
So far the rumors have said that the D4 would come December 8, then December 22, now February 2. I tend to trust rumors only after they come true. In any case, the Droid X got its GB update after EOL, as did the D2, so EOL doesn't mean much anyway, unless, of course, you want to buy another.

We knew the d4 was coming so this is old news.This doesn't mean its end of support.

What does "all of Verizon's 4G LTE Hotspots to be discontinued" mean? As in, your 4G device cannot act as a hot-spot any longer? At first glance, it sounded like they were shutting down all their 4G connections, haha.

So now that the D3 is "retired" does that mean if I get a replacement under warranty it'll be a Droid 4 or something else?

I swore off Samsung after the Fascinate. Their software was god awful and their support was terrible. But since then, they've taken so many steps in the right direction. TouchWiz4 is actually pretty fantastic, and they're the fastest with updates now. Not only that, but they've left their bootloaders unlocked and are very dev friendly.
Motorola, on the other hand, has been on a downward spiral since the Droid. When I first saw the Droid 3, I was expecting a slow, bulky phone with terrible software, an awful keyboard, and a fugly screen. But I was wrong. I thought they were turning things around, I fell in love with the phone, and I sprung for it. The phone was beautifully designed, with a great keyboard, thin profile, and it was paired with shockingly nice software. It was fast, and is still Verizon's best 3G phone. They were promising unlocked bootloaders and quick updates.
Yet here we are, less than 6 months later. It has only seen one update. And it's successor is already finalized and ready to be released. Motorola wasn't expecting the phone to be so wildly popular(it was the 2nd or 3rd top selling Android smartphone), and they were desperate to get a 4G version out. They've completely forgotten about the Droid 3 and are giving it's owners the middle finger. And they're doing the same to Bionic owners with the Razr and Razr owners with the Maxx(aka Droid X3.)
So, unless they turn things around like Samsung, this was my last Motorola phone. This is my 5th or 6th Droid 3 and, thankfully, Verizon gave me an early upgrade for my troubles, so I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus very soon. I'm done with Moto's BS.

This phone is only something to hold me over until T-Mobile goes away. Even then, I will use it on VZW until it either falls apart or becomes completely irrelevant. Somehow, I don't think either of those things will happen too soon, unless I drop it repeatedly on pavement lol. It's already been dropped, before I bought it from craigslist, and still looks fine
After we go back to VZW, I may contemplate getting the D4, but it doesn't look as good as the D3 IMO.

Lyxdeslic said:
What does "all of Verizon's 4G LTE Hotspots to be discontinued" mean? As in, your 4G device cannot act as a hot-spot any longer? At first glance, it sounded like they were shutting down all their 4G connections, haha.
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More likely they are coming out with a complete new line of MiFi and USB devices.
fairplay89 said:
So now that the D3 is "retired" does that mean if I get a replacement under warranty it'll be a Droid 4 or something else?
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Since VZW is still selling reconditioned Droid R2D2 units right now, and have put in place a trade-in program when you buy a new phone, I have a strange feeling that they will have quite an inventory of reconditioned D3s to send out in these cases. Also, Moto can still manufacture a few - VZW just won't be selling them new.
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Yet here we are, less than 6 months later. It has only seen one update.
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That's one more update that the Fascinate saw in six months, IIRC. And just about the same as the Thunderbolt, or the Inc 2, for that matter. As far as what the phone is designed to do with GB, is there something in software that needs to be updated on the D3 right now? (Well, actually, I'd love some of the Tasker-like battery saving stuff in the Razr...)
And it's successor is already finalized and ready to be released. Motorola wasn't expecting the phone to be so wildly popular(it was the 2nd or 3rd top selling Android smartphone), and they were desperate to get a 4G version out.
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Remember that Motorola does not decide which phone Verizon sells - Verizon decides that. Thinking back on the history of the keyboard Droid line, the D2 came out about 10 months after the D1. I am sure that Verizon was eager to get a D3 in house in about the same amount of time; I am also sure that they would have loved having it with LTE, but the reality is that Motorola was struggling with LTE (witness the Bionic's long delay and complete redesign). So, Verizon ordered the D3 for July - 10 months after the D2 launch, with a reliable 3G radio and pretty darned good hardware for the time (I think I would have preferred 1 GB of RAM, gut 512 MB isn't terrible.)
Now that LTE is more widespread, Verizon obviously thinks of it as a competitive advantage over other carriers, it sort of makes sense that they want an LTE Droid keyboard phone to carry on. I think that this six/seven month difference (we are still waiting for the D4) is just a one-time thing because of the launch of LTE - I think that a presumed D5 will come out closer to the end of 2012 than toward the middle.
Well, maybe until they come out with 5G networking in about ten years or so...
They've completely forgotten about the Droid 3 and are giving it's owners the middle finger. And they're doing the same to Bionic owners with the Razr and Razr owners with the Maxx(aka Droid X3.)
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I still don't see how coming out with new lines is giving existing owners a middle finger, but whatever...I'd say that if the D3 never gets another software update, and doesn't get ICS, I'll agree with you, but we are, I think, months away from that being a decision that can be made. (And I think that D3 runs just fine on GB. There are some cool features in ICS, but they are not exactly killer cool features compared with GB in my opinion.)
So, unless they turn things around like Samsung, this was my last Motorola phone. This is my 5th or 6th Droid 3 and, thankfully, Verizon gave me an early upgrade for my troubles, so I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus very soon. I'm done with Moto's BS.
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Good luck with the Nexus - it sounds like a great phone.

The D3 is definitely my last Moto phone for a while, unless they drastically change the way they do things. This device on it's current version of GB is still loaded with tons of known bugs and issues, and Motorola isn't doing a damn thing about it. When the D4 comes out, then it is even more unlikely to get updated. Add in the unwillingness to unlock bootloaders and you have your answer.
The people making the decisions at Motorola are a bunch of pretentious a-holes who think their large market share will last forever, but it won't.

This phone is frickin' sweet with ICS. I think it'll keep me happy for quite some time...unless it breaks that is. EOL? Meh.

After reading all these replies, my concern comes down to this: what is the likelihood verizon and motto stop supporting this phone after it reaches to mark? Supporting means OTA first, ICS next.
As far as the phone is concerned, I LOVE it. I think it offers better value than D4 in terms of cost ($40 at costco), scalability (removable battery), and option to use XT883 radio.
I think verizon and motto probably realize there are some un-intended values bundled in D3, that's why they are anxious to put the label on it just 6 months after its inception.

newshook said:
After reading all these replies, my concern comes down to this: what is the likelihood verizon and motto stop supporting this phone after it reaches to mark? Supporting means OTA first, ICS next.
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Considering that they just released a security update for the D1, and that the DX received a GB update, as did the D2, both over a year after they were released - I think it's pretty likely that there will be at least security updates going forward, perhaps GB updates to 2.3.7 if they decide not to do ICS. But, we'll see...

Spoke with VZW Today about ICS and Bionic

Called VZW today to replace my Bionic due to a Charging issue with the device. After informing (Tech Support Rep) aka the department that issues out replacement phones that my Bionic once plugged onto the charger it discharges. in order to get the battery to charge i have to do a "battery pull" at least twice. Last week I went into a VZW store thinking it was my extended battery had it replaced for a new one and still the same issue persist. After explaining this the Rep shipped out a replacement. He seemed pretty cool through out the conversation so I went ahead and asked about the Bionic and Android 4.0 and how upset I was that last week I read a post online that the list of Verizon phones to get ICS and the Bionic wasn't on that list mind you I also have a Xoom LTE so I threw that out there too!! so then he said hold on let me look, he didn't place me on hold i could hear him typing away i guess looking for the info on his end and he confirmed that the Bionic will be getting ICS indeed and so will the Xoom LTE be he didn't say when. let's see how much of this is true.......I wish i had something more solid to give you guys I tried!!!!!!

Well there is a soak test going on
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/04/3...ers/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
Anyone in on this? We can dream can't we? Lol
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Thanks for the link I wasn't lucky enough to get the E mail invite
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No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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lordandroid said:
I think the Motorola Cliq forum has more activity then ours lol.
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that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
CR

Ehh your right out forums are dead ill try to hop on more. Maybe one day I will make a full post about it, but man, waiting for the Bionic since it was announced in january, then just to have the RAZR released right after it? A kick in the ass indeed.....
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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lhkjohn said:
No worries. I didn't want to start a new thread, since yours kinda is along the same lines.
Are there any BIONIC users left? This forum is kinda slow. The droid x2 forum has more chatter going on than we do lol
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Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
Whoops -- more whining!

cordripper said:
that's embarrassing but unfortunately not surprising. so many developers have jumped ship because the Bionic was such a disappointment. Then a month later, the Razr was released. I've said it before and I'll say it again. VZW and MOTO screwed all of us who waited for the delayed release of the Bionic. Now they are screwing us over again. The next update will probably be .904 (not ICS). the current status for ICS is still in "Evaluation and Planning".
The sad part is that MOTO still makes the best phones. HTC never did it for me and I never liked Samsung. At the moment, the RAZR MAXX is the way to go. But even they aren't sure when to expect ICS. So for now, we wait for ICS and hope that some developers come back.
CR
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Lol well I bought the DROID X2 shortly after it came out, only to have the Bionic drop a few months later. After going through 5 replacements I bought the Bionic on CL since VZW wouldn't give me an early upgrade, only offered me a Dinc2 which I declined.
I probably won't buy another Moto product on VZW again unless they get their stuff straight.
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Underwater Mike said:
Not really much left to say unless you want to complain [again] about the locked bootloader, lack of stable ICS and disappearance of devs. I've done all the groaning I can on this phone. After buying two, I'll get anything but Moto when it's time for an upgrade. They just don't appreciate customers.
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As a follow up to how much I love to hate on MOTO and VZW for a lot of what they have done, I still would not switch from either company. Before the Bionic, I had a Droid X for a year and loved every minute of it. I never had any issues (I wasn't rooting and messing around at that point). The reason I got into the rooting/ROM side of things was because the Bionic had so much bloatware and such terrible battery life that I hoped most could be fixed with a new ROM. On both fronts, yes, Liberty did miracles. But even with the extended battery, my expectations of the phone's performance have not been entirely met. In some light messing around with a friend's RAZR MAXX during the last couple of months, I have found that it is more similar to the X than the Bionic; lighter on the bloatware and heavier on the performance. MOTO also has all the accessories that HTC and Samsung don't. With both the X and the Bionic, the navigation is stellar. I use the windshield mount almost everyday which correct me if I'm wrong, is not offered by the other companies. I have also heard that Samsung's, and seen that HTC's phones do not have a reliable GPS. Finally, with Google's acquisition of MOTO Mobility nearing completion, I would hope that the developers at Google will work to streamline BLUR in the near future.

I totally agree with you CR
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I received the update to participate in the soak test yesterday. They have not pushed the test out yet as of 11:30 am CST..

This is all fine and dandy to wish for but realize this Droid Bionic, Love It! is soon to leave Verizon phone lineup due to its shortness of inventory and all the wonderful fascinating new devices that are out or coming...Do you really think the Evil Empire will actually give a new O/S to what they call an outdated device! Its just not good financial business to them! And how many times before have they "changed their minds" due to their financial gains, oh, but only to better our customer experience!

Here comes THAT thread: Jelly Bean?

Alright, everyone.
My Atrix 2 just died on me. Well, didn't die, the screen cracked open, long story.
Basically, I need a new phone.
However, because the Atrix 2 STILL hasn't gotten ICS, I swore to never return to Motorola. Yeah, it's not 100% their fault that it's taking them so long, but seriously? It's become really annoying.
So I promised to ONLY buy Android products that have the word "Nexus" in their title, phones that get DIRECT updates from Google without wait and without alterations.
Problem is, I was gonna hold out on the Galaxy Nexus since I feel like a new one must be on the horizon.
Then I heard of the Atrix HD, which, like the other Atrixes (Atrice? Atrici?) has a very amazing starting price of $100.
And now Motorola mobile is owned by Google, right?
So, the TL;DR version of it is this:
Is this phone likely to see timely and consistent updates from Google? I know it just came out, but you guys are really great at what you do, so I'm wondering what your predictions are. Is this phone likely to see Jelly Bean at all in the near future?
I'd like to buy a phone that is future proof to AT LEAST Jelly Bean.
Thanks

The updates still come from Motorola. The acquisition doesn't mean anything to the updates. But this is probably one of Motorola's flagship phones now, so it'll have to get at least Jelly bean.
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mugabuga said:
The updates still come from Motorola. The acquisition doesn't mean anything to the updates. But this is probably one of Motorola's flagship phones now, so it'll have to get at least Jelly bean.
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according to what i've read, MB models are midrange, XT models are flagship. Regardless of this being the most powerful at the moment, it's mid range. There will be a Droid RAZR HD that will surpass this quickly with an XT model number.

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according to what i've read, MB models are midrange, XT models are flagship. Regardless of this being the most powerful at the moment, it's mid range. There will be a Droid RAZR HD that will surpass this quickly with an XT model number.
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That can't be right. When the Atrix 4G launched it was the top of the line Motorola phone, the first dual core phone and won best of CES 2011. Anyway I'd have to agree with the previous poster it will eventually receive JB.

From my understanding, any device that runs ICS will be able to run JB

Well the only company that has conformed jellybean on there top of the line smartphones is htc!! And they did that yesterday only!! So i will give motorola few more days before hearing about jelly bean upgrade!! And we should understand only phone that has jelly bean is galaxy nexus!! But since motorola mobile is part of google now so we can expect faster upgrade cycle!! And mostly vanilla experience to!!
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hotrod010 said:
Well the only company that has conformed jellybean on there top of the line smartphones is htc!! And they did that yesterday only!! So i will give motorola few more days before hearing about jelly bean upgrade!! And we should understand only phone that has jelly bean is galaxy nexus!! But since motorola mobile is part of google now so we can expect faster upgrade cycle!! And mostly vanilla experience to!!
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Agreed, coming from a RAZR (yesterday) I'm well aware of Moto's lag time in Android updates. I have to say, though, they did an awesome job with ICS... Took forever, but it's awesome!
I took the red pill... It's the mAtrix for me...
http://android-gz.com

Well hope its gonna be soon this time!!!cant wait for buttery smooth experience!!!
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I'm pretty happy with ICS, so I'm OK waiting a little while for JB. Motorola will probably release it in 6 months, then AT&T will delay it for 6-9 more...not that it's really OK, I wish updates were faster. They need to cut out the carrier-specific modifications!

My wife just today got the new Motorola Atrix HD. So far I think it is a very nice phone and hope she gets great service from it. I to hope that the Jelly Bean update is pushed out for this phone. Only time will tell.

According to this, the Motorola Defy will get JB and it's reasonable that the newest devices will too...
Jelly Bean for the MyTouch 4G Slide, Desire HD, and Motorola Defy
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Just noticed it's a ROM so I'm assuming this is specially made b/c of it unlocked? But here is another quote...
"These devices are all a little older than some would expect to be receiving ports. But if the HTC HD2 can get it, newer devices should be able to as well."

Motorola Defy is still running on an old modified Froyo kernel, seeing as how they never even got gingerbread.
Quarx ported Jellybean over, however.Motorola has long stopped during about the defy
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Your best bet is a to go for a Nexus device it you want something that is close to being future proof. I kind of know what you are going through with waiting for a new nexus phone part of the reason I didn't drop $350 GNex. The best advice I can say is go with the AHD for now, you can even get one for $50 on contract from best buy or amazon as long are you don't mind going with the new tiered plans.
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The good news is that AT&T isn't forcing you onto the new shared data plans...yet. I figure they'll eventually decide to do that to keep up with Verizon, but for now they look a little better because of it.

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Your best bet is a to go for a Nexus device it you want something that is close to being future proof. I kind of know what you are going through with waiting for a new nexus phone part of the reason I didn't drop $350 GNex. The best advice I can say is go with the AHD for now, you can even get one for $50 on contract from best buy or amazon as long are you don't mind going with the new tiered plans.
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Why do people still think best buy can't keep unlimited plans? Hasn't this dumb rumor been squashed months ago? Sure there may have been some dumb bbym guy that sucked at his job and lost someone unlimited but don't bunch us all in with his uneducated ass. Come see me, I got you on unlimited.
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Why do people still think best buy can't keep unlimited plans? Hasn't this dumb rumor been squashed months ago? Sure there may have been some dumb bbym guy that sucked at his job and lost someone unlimited but don't bunch us all in with his uneducated ass. Come see me, I got you on unlimited.
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Doesn't BestBuy charge you a Restocking Fee if you decide to return anything, especially a phone? Plus certain electronics only have 15 days instead of 30 days to return an item. If this is still true...save yourself the headache and get it from Costco (at their store or online with free shipping) and they give you free accessories (see my post about Costco just a few days ago).
If BestBuy has changed their policy, good but I can't tell you how long it's been since I've stepped foot in their store because of this. It's maybe part of the reason why they're struggling with their stores and trying to hang on to their mobile wireless departments.

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Doesn't BestBuy charge you a Restocking Fee if you decide to return anything, especially a phone? Plus certain electronics only have 15 days instead of 30 days to return an item. If this is still true...save yourself the headache and get it from Costco (at their store or online with free shipping) and they give you free accessories (see my post about Costco just a few days ago).
If BestBuy has changed their policy, good but I can't tell you how long it's been since I've stepped foot in their store because of this. It's maybe part of the reason why they're struggling with their stores and trying to hang on to their mobile wireless departments.
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Totally agree with you!!! i dont buy any thing form bestbuy anymore!!!

OK.. so this thread turned from a JB discussion to Best Buy? LOL. I'm about to pull the trigger on either the AHD or GS3 and am having a tough time deciding due to the JB issue and a few others. From the sounds of most of the comments here, it doesn't appear likely that Moto will offer the JB update, or am I missing something? The GS3 is a nice phone, but the screen on the AHD is far superior and the build quality of the Moto phone seems solid. What do you guys in this forum think? AT&T will sell me either phone for 50% off, no activation fee and a credit back to my account for the CA sales tax too

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OK.. so this thread turned from a JB discussion to Best Buy? LOL. I'm about to pull the trigger on either the AHD or GS3 and am having a tough time deciding due to the JB issue and a few others. From the sounds of most of the comments here, it doesn't appear likely that Moto will offer the JB update, or am I missing something? The GS3 is a nice phone, but the screen on the AHD is far superior and the build quality of the Moto phone seems solid. What do you guys in this forum think? AT&T will sell me either phone for 50% off, no activation fee and a credit back to my account for the CA sales tax too
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You strike me as someone who intends on modding ur phone, running roms and other mods or apps that require root so that makes the decision very easy, the GS3. It comes with an unlocked bootloader, root was gained before the phone was even released, the dev support is massive, aftermarket support is amazing, and JB is coming soon! Dont like the battery life? You can use a higher capacity battery if you choose. The camera is lovely! Especially since you're gonna be getting it for half off, that makes it a no brainer!
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Gadgetz.... thanks.. Actually your assumption is a little off base and that's due to me having been an iOS person for the past 4 years. And it's also the reason I'm drawn to Android, and even moreso after having watched the various vids about JB and Google Now.. simply amazing new version of Android.
So if I understand what you're saying, you're recommending I go with the GS3 for various reasons, regardless of me not liking the blue tint on AMOLED screens. And I can understand this to some degree. Also, when you install Nova I thought it only changed the look of the home pages and icons. Are you saying that it completely changes the UI including the notification bar where you can toggle on/off for Bluetooth, GPS, Wifi, etc? Sorry, but I'm a noob. I do like the new garnet red color on the GS3 but all of them are fingerprint magnets as you know. What case and screen protector do you recommend? Already found a high end, class 10 32mb microSD for $35 on eBay.

My Interrogation with Motorola

So I work at Sprint and we finally had a Motorola Representative come down and speak to use (we sell the Photon Q which is like the droid 4 with a bigger screen). I told him about my experiences with the Droid 3 and what we were doing here. I told him about XDA's shared hatred towards Sanjay and he said he understood. He basically admitted that the Droid 3 should have never happened and that the Droid 4 was already practically made when the Droid 3 was being sold, basically because they already dumped money in to the droid 3 so they had to unload it on the consumer (Sanjay's fault). Some of the positive things he mentioned was that with the new leadership, updates are going to happen much more often and that flagship phones won't have 59 variations. Motorola will also start keeping it's promise to keep phone's up to date for 18 months as well.
I asked him about the bootloader blog debacle and he basically said that Verizon came in and put their foot down, which made them not follow through on what they said was going to happen. Actually in the end he said 90% of things are Verizon's fault (I wouldn't doubt it). They do have a huge advertising campaign that is practically paid for by Verizon, Verizon uses that to their advantage and blackmails them to do their bidding. He also mentioned that alot of his fellow employees are hoping that Google can strong arm Verizon into sitting the %#@& down and getting over themselves, allowing them to do a signed bootloader unlocking. He says that it should allow you to register your phone's ESN to MotoDev and it would then send a message back to the Verizon that the warranty is void but it would allow people to unlock the bootloader. Hardware warranty will still be covered by Moto, just not through Verizon and Asurion (unless you pay a deposit) There are a lot of angry sales people who do not like to sell Motorola phones due to their bloatware and locked boot-loader practices and Motorola knows that it isn't good for sales. He says the most common notes he sends back to HQ usually contain something about the bootloader, less motoblur, and death to Sanjay.
If you have any questions I can try to get in contact with him and see what else he has to say or if I asked him a question I forgot to put it in this post I can answer it. I grilled him for an hour.

Holy crap thanks. I hope they update us.
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Wow. So does this mean there is still hope yet?

Nope. It means that this phone is forgotten but future devices starting next quarter will be supported much better. Sorry.

This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.

Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.

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This seems to confirm what we've believed all along - that the D3 was awkwardly released, from a point of view of timing; that Verizon had the contractual ability to prevent Moto from unlocking bootloaders on these phones.
"Death to Sanjay" seems silly at this point - the guy's been gone for more than 6 months.
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Well Death to Sanjay was the most common note this year, and I still hold him accountable for our droid 3's.
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Well, poo. Guess I better be saving money for an S3. Or maybe the S4.
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Wait for the S4. The S4 will be out sometime in April and will have a 1080p screen, rumored to have no bezel (edge to edge display), quadcore and the unbreakable flex display, and a 13mp camera. Samsung is seriously going after the iphone with this one. This is the one I am saving for but I will end up going to Sprint due to Verizon's data plans.

Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.

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Yeah, I was thinking that as well. But I'd be buying full retail.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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Ugh I know how that is. It's why I got a job with Sprint. Likely you can get the S3 for 200 somewhere after Christmas.
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That would be awesome.

It sounds like the future at Motorola will be a lot better. We've already seen the fast updates for the Razr HD and M, hopefully Motorola gets the update out to their late 2011 phones as well.
I'm looking at getting the Razr M as my phone when I can upgrade in early 2013 unless something better comes out, since its one of the few phones without a huge screen. Its already got JB and Hash has safestrap working on it, so there will be some dev support. I'll keep my Droid 3 as a spare VZW phone and to mess around with ROMs on.