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Or rather lack of it.
I start of by saying, i am not a dev.
But i see that the way rom's is made for Galaxy lack's most of the things that makes custom rom's good, SGS's rom's seem more themes than proper custom rom's.
I have used Nexus and some of the great rom's to that device.
The SGS way to update FW seems to stop all real development?
What do you think?
samsung's drivers are encrypted and this makes developing roms pretty difficult. there can only be roms based on samsung releases. at least this is what i understood .
i am sure that the growing user base of this great phone will bring more attention from great developers ( hi paul ! , who will be able to overcome most of the problems and give us great roms.
The final non-beta firmware from Samsung hasn't even arrived yet! Give it some time!
Custom roms now would be obsolete within one week because of a newer official beta Firmware.
I was aware that a few days ago paul obrien was having a conversation to cyanogen about creating a vendor tree for the sgs which would enable us to use cyanogen mod. If someone can confirm this with paul this would be very good news for us sgs owners.
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Right now I'd settle for a vanilla Froyo (my last phone was the N1).
The SGS has potential, but the stock ROM is so infested with Samsung customisations (eg non- AOSP dialer, contacts, music, etc etc), why have they re-invented the wheel?? Before this phone I didn't think fragmentation existed, only "legacy". Now I know exactly what fragmentation is, and it's ugly, annoying.
The only reason I ditched the N1 is because Google have said there would be no N2 so I figured I find another phone.
Now I realise how bad fragmentation is, the iPhone really doesn't look so bad again ... (previous to the N1, I was on a iPhone 3G)
It's a pity vendors can't be mandated to supply optional vanilla ROMs - I know Samsung have released a bunch of source code, maybe that's a start.
I guess I'll give it six months. I'm an end-user who wants an easy life, but appreciates the potential and integration with google services that Android provides - moreso in its vanilla form.
Did anybody try compiling the sourcecode that was released by samsung to create a flashable working version of the manufacturer Android version that is currently running in our phones?
If that is possible, and we do have the source code from samsung, I don't see why it would be impossible to get at least a vanilla AOSP 2.1-update1 running on our galaxies.
The encrypted (or closed source drivers) can be linked as binaries to the new AOSP build running on top of Samsung's kernel (which we do have the source code to).
Side question, anybody knows how to flash the phone once you got all source code by samsung compiled ? I know we end up with a zImage, possibly a system.img.. can you create Odin files with these easily ? any thoughts?
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Right now I'd settle for a vanilla Froyo (my last phone was the N1).
The SGS has potential, but the stock ROM is so infested with Samsung customisations (eg non- AOSP dialer, contacts, music, etc etc), why have they re-invented the wheel?? Before this phone I didn't think fragmentation existed, only "legacy". Now I know exactly what fragmentation is, and it's ugly, annoying.
The only reason I ditched the N1 is because Google have said there would be no N2 so I figured I find another phone.
Now I realise how bad fragmentation is, the iPhone really doesn't look so bad again ... (previous to the N1, I was on a iPhone 3G)
It's a pity vendors can't be mandated to supply optional vanilla ROMs - I know Samsung have released a bunch of source code, maybe that's a start.
I guess I'll give it six months. I'm an end-user who wants an easy life, but appreciates the potential and integration with google services that Android provides - moreso in its vanilla form.
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same here. previous n1 user, got sgs just after google announced no n2 wil be available.
just took some actions to make things smoother for me :
1. launcher pro
2. dialer one
3. handcent sms
i used them all on n1 and now i do on sgs. its all good again . still, untill froyo hits us i think i will still miss n1's speed. also, i think after froyo hits us, we will get some more roms and goodies for our phones.
what exactly is a vendor tree? and how would it be able to get around the driver issue which is apparant to the SGS?
Some info on the .rfs files that samsung uses:
http://movitool.ntd.homelinux.org/trac/movitool/wiki/RFS
Merging into AOSP
It seems like good idea to have the scripts merged into AOSP tree that support building stock ROMS for samsung galaxy s, with binary-only files being downloaded directly from the device (if I'm not mistaken, this is how one can build froyo for N1 from source now).
From someone else experience: would the patches that add vendor-specific support for SGS be accepted into AOSP tree? Are there known blockers for this?
Hmm.. rom development is quite sluggish due to the firmwares that are being released!
But i really don't care! the original rom is fine with WJG5!
I just use Launcher Pro and widgets to make it better! Speed is ok!
bratfink said:
I was aware that a few days ago paul obrien was having a conversation to cyanogen about creating a vendor tree for the sgs which would enable us to use cyanogen mod. If someone can confirm this with paul this would be very good news for us sgs owners.
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This still doesn't get around the fact that the drivers are locked down and are near impossible to implement into outside roms that aren't Samsung based. Talking isn't doing anything.
miker71 said:
Right now I'd settle for a vanilla Froyo (my last phone was the N1).
The SGS has potential, but the stock ROM is so infested with Samsung customisations (eg non- AOSP dialer, contacts, music, etc etc), why have they re-invented the wheel?? Before this phone I didn't think fragmentation existed, only "legacy". Now I know exactly what fragmentation is, and it's ugly, annoying.
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This isn't fragmentation though, this is exactly what Google wanted Android to be - a base for phone manufacturers to lay their own tweaks on top of. HTC, Motorola, Samsung etc don't just want to be differentiated by how their handset looks, they want to put their own stuff on there too. Previously each had their own OS (Symbian, UIQ etc.) that took years of development time and was very slow moving. Google provided Android as a quick route to market for a phone, the manufacturers didn't really have to worry too much about the OS and then get lots of apps for free.
The thing is, the vanilla apps are a bit.. basic. The standard music player is fine, it works and does what it says on the tin. The standard contacts is fine again etc. Makers can ship a ROM based on vanilla Android and it would be good to go, but if they can improve upon the apps and brand it slightly more then all well and good.
But it's not fragmentation. Android is a base. A starting point. It's not meant to look exactly the same on every device, but it's meant to work exactly the same as much as possible. These manufacturers get a stable, standard, capable phone OS for free, which to them is awesome. It saves them so much time and is ultimately why eventually there will be nothing but Android on devices. It's the Mac vs PC all over again - cool but closed and restricted vs ubiquitous free-for-all.
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This still doesn't get around the fact that the drivers are locked down and are near impossible to implement into outside roms that aren't Samsung based. Talking isn't doing anything.
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If the right people get onto it it's only a matter of time. The G1 camera drivers were reverse engineered for Eclair CM ROMs after HTC gave the community sod-all.
dirk1978 said:
If the right people get onto it it's only a matter of time. The G1 camera drivers were reverse engineered for Eclair CM ROMs after HTC gave the community sod-all.
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Didn't they have the source for 1.6's camera drivers? At least then they had a base to start from. That is not true with Samsungs drivers.
A little bit OT but due to the fact that in this thread are some EX-Nexus users: Would you recommend switching to the SGS ?
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it's meant to work exactly the same as much as possible.
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It's when it doesn't work, it's very very annoying. How long do we have to wait for the Samsung music player to enable scrobbling? Sure I can use a different app from the Market - meaning Samsung wasted effort on their own Music app, why didn't they build on the AOSP version which does support scrobbling and iSyncr, etc because they use standard API or whatever so these other programs can read the state or whatever they need to do.
Same with dialer and contacts - on Launcher Pro, pressing the default Contacts icon - won't get you anything except maybe a FC :-(
The AOSP Desk Clock - where is that? If I install a clock from Market then I have two different Alarm daemons which is a waste of everyone's time when the default Clock in AOSP Eclair is fine and - more importantly - compatible with stuff and API calls.
Then all the other stuff that may or may not be Samsung stuff - the DRM, the Device Management, the Samsung Account - given the option I just don't want that stuff.
I'm intending to flash JG5 (from factory shipped JF3) which may increase performance but presume won't make these other problems go away.
I'm really happy with the hardware - but currently I am dissatisfied with the software and "Samsung knows best". For me, personally, Google knows best (and I bet they have data on me to prove it!), so I really want to see Froyo AOSP version for the Galaxy. That day may come, or it may not ...
I know I know, "can't please all of the people all of the time"
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A little bit OT but due to the fact that in this thread are some EX-Nexus users: Would you recommend switching to the SGS ?
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Right now the question for me would be "do I recommend switching from Samsung OS from Froyo" - my answer would be no, unless:
1. better multitouch is important to you (better for gaming, no axis mess-up)
2. 4" screen is important (I do really like the Samsung screen)
3. Better built-in audio quality is important (the Galaxy is noticeably louder than the N1 and I think it may have a better A/D sampler too)
So fully recommend switching for hardware, UNLESS you can't live without Froyo.
I can live with the SGS shortcomings. Well, for a few months anyway ... and even if AOSP never comes there are alternatives in the Market but does mean you have to ignore the Samsung stock apps depending what you want to do (which means added complexity to your life, which I don't always have time to deal with!)
psychoace said:
This still doesn't get around the fact that the drivers are locked down and are near impossible to implement into outside roms that aren't Samsung based. Talking isn't doing anything.
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Do you have any proof that the drivers are actually locked down in any way?
I can see the source of all the modules provided by samsung, just 3 of them (pvrsrvkm, s3cbc and s3clcd) are just precompiled, and if you check the info they are GPL.
Am I missing something?
@miker71
Thanks a lot !
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
This is the development forum. You want the q n a forum.
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mnv710 said:
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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*sigh*
There is a general section, you know...
mnv710 said:
Gingerbread will most likely be brought to the nexus one but what about 3.0 and beyond? Do you think they will make a new device? Possibly the n2? What about tablets? Will they start a new android line just for tablets. The android phpne market is very spread out right now, phones like the Motorola charm will probobly never see froyo but phones like the Droid x and vibrant have processors that will not become outdated for several years to come. Are company's updating hardware too quickly?
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The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).
B3astofthe3ast said:
The HTC magic, the 2nd ever android phone, got official Froyo. If a phone isn't getting it, its not because it's underpowered (with the exception of the G1).
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Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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HTCinToronto said:
Huh? The magic is a G1 less the keyboard. Processor is the same. And I think a rooted G1 can have 2.2.
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The G1 is memory starved. A rooted G1 can have froyo with the proper SPL.
We will get every future Android update.
Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream, Jellybean, K..., L..., Mousse, Pie, Q..., ...
I don't think there needs to be a tablet developer platform designated. Screen resolution differences are something that should be simple enough d'or developers to figure out.
The entire point of a developer platform device is to develop the core OS updates on it, so I fully expect at least another year of official updates for the N1. Especially because we haven't actually seen any faster processor released into the market yet.
The secondary point of a designated developer platform would be to support a core of standard hardware under Android. Smarter OEMs should understand that if they want to have less work to port android to their devices, and to get updates on their devices more quickly, they should try to use hardware components either common to ADP or that have Linux support.
Sure, OEMs can deviate, but anything they include that isn't either compatible with ADP hardware, or already supported in Linux will have to be supported by the company making that handset. So it is up to the consumers to say if they want devices more like the Desire, or more like the X10. Laf!
The Nexus One is the official Google Development phone. Until that changes, we shouldn't have to worry about getting the latest versions first
It is one of the advantages to being a N1 owner.
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We will get every future Android update.
Gingerbread, Honeycomb, IceCream, Jellybean, K..., L..., Mousse, Pie, Q..., ...
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Deserts are my N1's favorite meal!
Android mean Google, then there is no point to buy any phone even if it's amazing, i am with Google devices till they close the company N1 TO N100 i am with Google i just want they put some color in this coming build i feel the stock ROM is black and white
Hello,
I joined the xda community about a year ago, first with my Htc Magic, then with my HD2. I have the opportunity to get a Samsung Galaxy Tab from some carrier for little extra money of my current Internet plan. And for 10 €/month more, I could get the new 10.1 version...
Although I do know that logically I should choose the 10.1, I still consider the 7'. Why ? Well, it would be cheaper at first. Then, I like the 7' size more and I'm not sure I would need Dual-Core processor for Internet surfing ! Also, the 10' model's phone app is blocked by the carrier, while it's not for the 7'...
But I digress !
Before to sign up to the plan, I'd like to take the pulse of the community. It's something I always do prior to purchasing a new device. I'm use to the HD2 orgy of Roms and OS and I must say that the less-furnished Development section for the Tab leaves me thinking. I don't doubt of the quaility of the ROMS but I wonder if devs are not already leaving the Tab's development for more recent Tablets and devices.
So...If you are a serial flasher like me, is the Tab a good invesmet ? I'd love to flash later CyanogenMod releases when there will be actual Tablet versions of it (for the moment, CM7 on a tablet is still in its early months) and of course Honeycomb or even better, Ice Cream Sandwhich. Will there be dev's at that moment ? Of course, I know it's not an easy question to answer but it's more about the community strengh until today actually...
Thanks and see you soon hopefully !
cm7 + tablet tweaks = win.
with roms, ill take quality over quantity, even tho there are only 3 2.3 roms, they are all badass.
the tab7 has been the best tech device ive ever owned, i have an ipad but it lives in the draw, its just way to big todo anything with other than using it in bed or on the toilet.
I suggest get the 7inch or wait for the new 7inch (who knows when that will come)
the only negative i have is that theres so many new devices out with dual core ect... but so far it hasnt stopped me from doing anything that these newer devices can do (you can play tegra games via chainfire) but eventually it will become an issue i guess.
The carrier matters.
More dev work is being done for the GSM variants at the moment. But spacemoose1 does have an alpha hc rom and dev continues in that.
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
DannyBiker said:
Thank you for your anwser and I do agree about quality over quantity...
I'm aware of tablet tweaks from CM7, I already used them on my 4'3 HD2 screen but that not much in comparison of the many tweaks TouchWiz seems to bring to the Android 2.2 UI. Of course, overlay means slower device but oh well...
Is it possible to easily save/back up the stock Android Rom it will be shipped with in order to restore if I need to return it under warranty ?
Thanks !
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Yeh, you can do a nandroid backup, or just find your stock firmware, from the website sam-firmware (i think thats it) or just brick it
I'm very proud that I tote around CM7 (latest nightly) on my G2, which is a very polished rom. I have tried other roms, which they had their perks and trade offs, but I always came back to Cyanogenmod. I guess it is so good, it caught the eyes of a handset manufacture Samsung. See link below.
Cyanogenmod head joins Samsung to work on Android.
I hope since the head of CM7 joins Samsung, the CM7 team keeps up with the development of other handsets.
dont worry this is a very big win for the android world
hes still the owner of cyanogenmod and hes still gonna work in cm8 when ice scream sandwich comes out! plus hes got an amazing team of developers to back him up that your really not gonna feel any diference
also with steve in samsung i guess that crappy touchwiz UI will no longer be crappy
I highky doubt Steve is gonna mess with the TouchWiz UI as his focus with cyanogenmod has always been complete user control, stability and performance. I hope that he's the peptobismol to Samsungs bloated stuff...
Wow this means we're gonna have big improvements to our custom ROMs thanks to the knowledge he gets there...
I'd rather have him work with Google on Android, and not Samsung.
so this means only samsungs will get CM?
husam666 said:
so this means only samsungs will get CM?
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No it means official Samsung roms will eccrntialy be cyanogeon
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MacaronyMax said:
No it means official Samsung roms will eccrntialy be cyanogeon
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which means, samsung has monopoly on CM roms
nope. samsungs work is samsungs work and CM will be his own project, focusing on android. For some strange feeling that I got, I take it that CM won't be releasing any projects for the future Galaxy S line or any Samsung products
Have to wait and see what he does with Samsung. It's not like they are going to turn him loose in their software and allow him to make a completely different ROM for Samsung to run.
More than likely he will have some creative input - but will be a fellow coder (a.k.a. monkey) that will only be allowed to work on a specific parts of it.
Which is too bad actually - Sammy user's might get a slightly better running ROM - but it still won't be Cyanogen
I have been wondering for quite a while....maybe it is a little stupid so maybe you guys might not want to reply...
We have been receiving custom ROMs like Nova, Pay's ROM and CM7. It was good all along whether it is 2.2 or 2.3, still waiting for CM9... and i was actually wondering after looking at the news that LG is going to release their next WP7 device, why isn't there a WP7 port.....What i meant wasn't the launcher like Launcher 7 and other MODS to make the phone into WP7-look(fonts and framework etc etc). Is it possible to make a direct ROM port into a Android device or was I just thinking a little to much? Maybe the specs couldn't fit in? I hope you guys can like think about it? I mean wouldn't it be cool if we can have WP7 ROM on Android? That would be like breaking the barrier in between them!
WP7 - as any MS sh*t - is not open source. It's proprietary software. So you don't have the source, neither the right to port or modify. I'm amazed you did not realize...
CalamitySir said:
I mean wouldn't it be cool if we can have WP7 ROM on Android? That would be like breaking the barrier in between them!
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You can't have "WP7 ROM on Android". WP7 and Android both are Operating System. Perhaps the right question is "can WP7 installed on P970 devices?". But, using WP7 means I can't accessed the source code, and I don't want it...
-CMIIW-
redy2006 said:
You can't have "WP7 ROM on Android". WP7 and Android both are Operating System. Perhaps the right question is "can WP7 installed on P970 devices?". But, using WP7 means I can't accessed the source code, and I don't want it...
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Exactly.
My roommate had Samsung Wave mobile (Bada OS) and he was tired of it, so i went to some tutorials and installed him Android on it.
The point is, if you install WP7 (or even Symbain belle for the matter), your device won't be android anymore, and of course as far as i know there doesn't exist any port of other OS for our p970... ( most android phones don't have the port; it's usually the other WP, Bada, Symbian devices that get android port )
So, if you want to have metro UI, the best option is to use Launcher 7 at the moment. But trust me, it's all just a one week fun, because in the end the customizations you can get with ADW and Go launcher are of no match.