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Ok I have the hero, but I'm thinking about returning it to get the moment. What do you all think? I know the specs on both phones already, the only reason I would want the moment is because,
1. Hardware keyboard, I've always had one and I like them
2. The screen
3. The actual phone part of the phone isn't laggy.
4. Something new, I've always had HTC's.
now why I don't want to get rid of my hero,
1. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
2. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
3. I love xda-developers... People here are so nice and knowledgeable.
So, What percent of you think that xda will give the moment a part of the forum? and do you think i should stick with the hero, or move to the moment?
Hero to Moment back to hero
I bought the Hero when it came out Oct 11, I traded it for the Samsung Moment on Nov 1 as I was excited about the keyboard, processor, ans the idea of vanilla android (which is easy to dress up if you want to with home replacements) instead of HTC's usual memory hogging overlays.
I returned the moment yesterday.... Didn't even make it a day.
In spite of the faster processor and Advanced Task Killer, it was sluggish compared to the Hero. The cell reception and Internet connection was terrible!!!!! While the Hero was a major improvement over the Touch Pro. Also the browser was slower, and when I previewed a PDF file from gmail the pdf viewer in gmail was unbearably slow. (I realize eventually it will be rooted and things will change, but the hardware is cheap, keyboard is poor.
I found this phone to be more of a disappointment than the Mogul... and that says alot...
Now we need to root the hero.... LOL
Stick with your hero...
I've heard the same complaints as frazmanw about the moment, which is why I'm keeping my Hero. I've had a phone with a keyboard all the way back to the Cingular HTC Wizard and Treo 600. In fact, I don't think I've EVER had a smartphone that didn't have a hardware keyboard. I must say though that I'm getting used to the OSK on the Hero. This I thought was a dealbraker too, but have since lightened up on that.
Not only do folks say the phone is sluggish in general, but that the screen isn't as responsive as you would expect for a capacitive screen either, taking harder screen presses to make it function properly. The reviewer also said that there wasn't a way to calibrate it either, leaving you "stuck" with its performance.
In my opinion, the reason that the Hero can feel sluggish at times is due to the amount of processes running from the Sense UI, with widgets, open applications, etc. Those four extra screens of widgets and apps can mean a lot more memory usage indeed. If you turned off Sense UI and ran vanilla android, I bet its performance would dwarf the moment. Not to mention the Moment has 256 MB of RAM to the Hero's 288MB.
The moment is supposed to have a dedicated graphics rendering chip inside of it, and this made me think that it might possibly run like a striped ape, but it seems it falls short.
The optical mouse also got some poor marks, not sure how frazmanw felt about his when he had it.
Finally, phone build. The Hero is an exceptionally built phone as far as the feel of it. It's solid. I've had the Samsung in my hand, and while it wasn't mine, it didn't feel like a well built phone, either. It didn't even feel as well built as the Mogul, and I despise that phone to my very core.
Finally #2 - The Hero has been announced to receive the Android 2.0 upgrade, at least relatively soon. To my knowledge, other than the Verizon Droid shipping with it, is the only phone that will have 2.0 soon. I think the hardware is solid enough on the Hero that some of the bugs will get worked out as the OS matures.
For those of you that had the Mogul or the Touch Pro, how much better did your phone get after it was unlocked with custom ROMs? For me, EXPONENTIALLY better. Made it feel like a completely different phone. I think we can expect similar with the Hero.
In short, keep your Hero!!!!!!
(At least until Sprint has a snapdragon phone next year)
EDIT: Here's a review from PCWorld that points out the items frazmanw and I spoke about:
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/product/324318/review/moment.html
Thanks
Well, I think you have me convinced then. I will stick with my hero... Thanks
my dad just bought a the moment nov 1, and although the screen is a lot more crisp. it stops there. htc has incorporated a lot of their own features into the hero, that the moment lacks. the contact card, widgets, and turning the phone over to silence a call( not a decision maker, but really nifty) the moment is a good phone, but its just too basic of an android phone for me.
Wow. I got the Moment on Nov 1 after trading in a really crappy HTC Touch Pro. It is undoubtedly the best phone I have ever had. All of the issues you three mentioned I have not experienced with this phone. Web browsing was much faster than what I got from the TP, no interface issues; all the screens moved fluidly, and even battery life was acceptable, especially for a phone with one of the fastest processors. Even more surprising is I read nothing but these same complaints about the Hero on other forums.
Needless to say I have no regrets about the Moment and hopefully will never have to hold another HTC product again - the TP was enough to convince me to stay away from anything HTC. Trading in a phone 3 times because of keyboard failures is enough to piss anyone off, and all that whiz bang interface overlaid onto MS Winblows just slowed down an already slow phone.
I thought I was going to get the Hero then trade for the Moment...But I am loving the Hero and just waiting patiently for people to mod the phone...Its only been out for about a month so lets just give it some time...
I bought the Moment November 1st and was amazed at how fast it was. The screens were fluid and it NEVER lagged except in my long contacts list and some web sites.
Battery life, microphone, gps, and signal problems made me return it for a replacement. They didn't have the Moment in stock so I decided to get a Hero temporarily.
As soon as I turned it on I noticed how laggy and slow the phone was. Camera quality is great, I love the Sense UI improvements, and it feels very polished but I just can't stand the sluggishness of EVERYTHING on the phone. Especially they keyboard. I text a lot and I can't stand pressing the OSK buttons 45 letters ahead of what shows up.
As soon as I get the time, I'll go back and get myself a Moment. It's too bad I might not get the 2.0 update, but what isn't in official updates will eventually come out from someone here hopefully.
arashed31 said:
I bought the Moment November 1st and was amazed at how fast it was. The screens were fluid and it NEVER lagged except in my long contacts list and some web sites.
Battery life, microphone, gps, and signal problems made me return it for a replacement. They didn't have the Moment in stock so I decided to get a Hero temporarily.
As soon as I turned it on I noticed how laggy and slow the phone was. Camera quality is great, I love the Sense UI improvements, and it feels very polished but I just can't stand the sluggishness of EVERYTHING on the phone. Especially they keyboard. I text a lot and I can't stand pressing the OSK buttons 45 letters ahead of what shows up.
As soon as I get the time, I'll go back and get myself a Moment. It's too bad I might not get the 2.0 update, but what isn't in official updates will eventually come out from someone here hopefully.
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Well, for one thing, the phone is laggy at startup because Sense UI has TONS of apps that are starting up. The longer you leave it be, the smoother it becomes. If you're patient, you'll be surprised at how lag-free it really is.
Also, HTC doesn't recommend that you use any type of task killer that automatically kills processes. What will happen is an endless loop of apps restarting, and it will feel like a laggy phone.
Android has good memory management, and apps will auto-close after inactivity or if memory requests it. Just want to make sure you're not seeing the phone as "laggy" because apps are starting up. Just sayin.
I for one am very excited about this phone
2.0 soon, updated sense (hopefully) and the source code just released
I cant wait to see this thing after a few modifications like Apps2sd and linux-swap
wasupwithuman brings up an interesting question. Will the Samsung Moment have a seperate forum? And if not, does anybody know of a good forum like xda-developers for all Android phones?
Ive used the HTC hero and Nexus one so feel free to compare it to those, how is it for those that have it as their main phone?
Thanks in advance.
PRO: look nice, multi-tasking, sensitive qwerty keyboard, great market, fast(than most phone, but in time as you install more apps, it'll begin to lag). Pre-install feature are nice such as facebook, youtube, etc., 2 active email acc., to make short, preinstall apps are great.
CON: VERY few word correction(1/100 I guess). feel like plastic. Speaker are loud but will hear buzz when turn near max. Video lag a little. Battery die fast(unless u use apps killer to kill all unuse apps otherwise a 100% charge will die when you wake up). The screen also feel like plastic but are capasitive.
Overall, this phone is probably the best smartphone that can do everything like most phone nowaday that are cheap, media are so-so. If you like loud superb music or great movie than ignore this phone. But otherwise for chat,call,text,web, wifi,game, and basic use or music and movie, this is a great phone. This is my first android running 1.6, but I must say, I'm impress with everything acer has to offer beside the fact that the phone feel cheap, it does everything I wanted
Acer Liquid is a great phone
I have had my Acer Liquid for about a month. at 768MHz it is one of the fastest Android phones on the market today. Android v1.6 runs very well. The leaked "LiquidE" Android v2.1 beta ROMs are maturing nicely......hindered only by the lack of any source code. But LCR v1.2.2 is ready for everyday use, IMHO.
The screen is great. The phone works well. Bluetooth is patchy for audio on Android v1.6, but better on Android v2.1 (beta). I compare it to my HTC Magic...and the phone in my front, right trouser pocket. On Android v1.6 I frequently get dropouts on Acer Liquid. But on Android v2.1 much less so and often not at all. But on my HTC Magic I never get any dropouts. Same headset (SONY).
The phone lacks a trackball or D-pad....so soetimes it can be a little tricky placing the cursor on the screen in *exactly* the right placewhen editing text. Similarly, selecting text can be tricky, too. I use "clipbot" to get a copy of what I want in an app with some space around it....then edit there and THEN paste it where I need it to go.
The battery life is fine. Any smartphone really requires two batteries in any busy day, especially if using GPS and 3G data a lot and even more so in areas with poor cell coverage.
Probably the biggest drawback is the limited internal storage for installing apps. It's about 192MB - in theory......but in practice seems to be about 150MB. This space is also used by the browser for caching web pages and by Google Earth (on v2.1) for caching content - 22MB!. You quickly run out of app space compared to - say - an HTC Magic which has 288MB of internal app space.
But in the last few days, (eclair ROM) LCR v1.2.2 now has apps2sd working and you can now install a lot more apps on your liquid....provided you're running this beta Android v2.1 modded ROM.
I'd buy my Acer Liquid again. The speed is excellent. But get it SOON. It's awesome right NOW. In 3-4 months it will be an old phone compared to the ones about to hit the market in that time.
linuxluver said:
I have had my Acer Liquid for about a month. at 768MHz it is one of the fastest Android phones on the market today. Android v1.6 runs very well. The leaked "LiquidE" Android v2.1 beta ROMs are maturing nicely......hindered only by the lack of any source code. But LCR v1.2.2 is ready for everyday use, IMHO.
The screen is great. The phone works well. Bluetooth is patchy for audio on Android v1.6, but better on Android v2.1 (beta). I compare it to my HTC Magic...and the phone in my front, right trouser pocket. On Android v1.6 I frequently get dropouts on Acer Liquid. But on Android v2.1 much less so and often not at all. But on my HTC Magic I never get any dropouts. Same headset (SONY).
The phone lacks a trackball or D-pad....so soetimes it can be a little tricky placing the cursor on the screen in *exactly* the right placewhen editing text. Similarly, selecting text can be tricky, too. I use "clipbot" to get a copy of what I want in an app with some space around it....then edit there and THEN paste it where I need it to go.
The battery life is fine. Any smartphone really requires two batteries in any busy day, especially if using GPS and 3G data a lot and even more so in areas with poor cell coverage.
Probably the biggest drawback is the limited internal storage for installing apps. It's about 192MB - in theory......but in practice seems to be about 150MB. This space is also used by the browser for caching web pages and by Google Earth (on v2.1) for caching content - 22MB!. You quickly run out of app space compared to - say - an HTC Magic which has 288MB of internal app space.
But in the last few days, (eclair ROM) LCR v1.2.2 now has apps2sd working and you can now install a lot more apps on your liquid....provided you're running this beta Android v2.1 modded ROM.
I'd buy my Acer Liquid again. The speed is excellent. But get it SOON. It's awesome right NOW. In 3-4 months it will be an old phone compared to the ones about to hit the market in that time.
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It will be old in 3-4 months? Which phones will be better? Ive been looking at the HTC Legend as well.
solidkevin said:
Ive used the HTC hero and Nexus one so feel free to compare it to those, how is it for those that have it as their main phone?
Thanks in advance.
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The phones good but Acer support for Smartphones is rubbish
Stick to HTC
The phones that are about to be released are only slightly better, but probably costs a lot more. The only thing I'm excited about is getting Froyo with the JIT speedup. It'll likely come to Nexus One first. Acer has been ok with supporting this phone. They've released 1.6 ROM patches, and promised to release 2.1 ROM for A1 owners (can also just grab the leaked ROMs too). Hope 2.2 will also come out.
I've had the phone for over 24 hours now, well two devices as the first one was faulty, so trust me this isn't biased lol. But, I can tell you that Microsoft has definitely gone in the right direction with this OS. Even though I was a tremendous Windows Mobile fan boy, it just didn't feel efficient or enjoyable towards the end. We needed UI enhancements and the amazing work of some talented chefs in order to have the urge to use our phones daily. Applications ran slowly, phones were constantly freezing, and the general public just didn't want that occurring on a $500 device. And though this is one of my gripes about Windows Phone, the ability to access your storage through a file explorer was truly a headache when it came to a general user. Though, with that being said, I do hope they add some "documents" interface to Zune and allow us to place our files on an accessible location...
But this operating system has the ability to be flawless. Microsoft's iron fist allows for the experience to be enjoyable. I don't need to worry about the newest version of Sense not running on my device and I definitely don't need to worry about a 1ghz processor struggling due to horrible code. I do miss my ability to access EVERYTHING, and I mean everything...I've been on this forum since my Dash, so I consider myself an addict at this point. But, this is by far the fastest Windows device I have ever come across, hands down, and it's a breath of fresh air.
My biggest problem with our community, myself included, is that we often forget that this is version 1.0 of the OS...think about that people, 1.0...and yet we have a decent app store, with an amazing OS, feature incomplete though. The features will come, but I rather have the OS now, missing features, than have to wait for it...I can tell you that this will definitely be a game changer. I have little doubt that microsoft will listen to our requests and implement the majority of what we're asking...with the exception of the obvious, such as root access and the ability to completely screw up your phone, like some of you are so hell bent on doing while accessing everything.
The random hiccups of black screens while switching back from programs, and other minor problems I've encountered I'm sure will be ironed out, but we need to make sure these don't cloud our judgment. Whether you become a fan or not, I wish most of you would just realize that Windows Phone on the HD7 is probably the best thing we could have hoped for, and I'm looking forward to the future of this phone and operating system. This device also feels amazing...not sure where the build quality questions came from, I don't even have the pink camera issue...it's a much better feel in my hand than my HD2. I thought of putting this in the WP7 general, but since my thoughts are based on my device, thought I'd keep it here...
I agree 100%. The phone is not all-the-way complete yet, but I can honestly say I am very impressed. If the few tweaks are made here and there (e.g. visual voicemail, extended settings, file system, sideload apps, etc.) we could have the best OS of them all.
I cannot understate the elegance and beauty of this device and OS. It is sooo smooth - this is what the mobile experience should be. Some complain about no Multitasking, but I am not one of them. In fact I think it kills battery and can cause major problems. Plus it's mobile phone! How many tasks do I need to do at once? One!
Anyway, I'm loving it so far - even though I'd like to make some simple changes like searching the marketplace for apps only and leaving music out of the results.
BTW- the Market is coming along nicely. Pretty good selection to far.
It's simple and beautiful. Or simply-beautiful
I agree. I love my EVO, not a fan of my DROID X and can't stand the lag of the Samsung Fascinate.
I picked up the HD7 recently while waiting for the Dell Venue Pro to release. I cannot stress how smooth the OS really is. I have tweaked and tuned and spent countless hours on ROM loads with my EVO all the find out they are very good but are always in need of tuning. Perhaps some of that is due to my constant reading of these forums and seeing updates
I know some have said no Unified Messaging. I rarely use it just like cut and paste.
I wish they would have persistent notication icons on the top bar. That would be nice. I received an update on the Marketplace and didn't realize it was there until I scrolled down. The updates are nice though.
I can say that I am very happy with some of the well known APPS. They seem to be better looking than IPHONES or ANDROIDS. Shazam is nice with the Zune button/integration feature. Huffington Post needs to fix the text but it is very nice. AP News etc. The APPS seems to be more robust when they follow the Metro UI theme.
Need a bigger battery for the HD7. It is not bad but could be much better with a 1500mAH or 1700mAH. I am checking my sources for them now.
It is worth the look people who are on the fence.
I agree I have used every OS out there and this one has the most potential I think. I also picked up the Hd7 Waiting on the Venue Pro but will keep both cause the HD7 Is a fantastic device.
I am 100% with the op, this is version 1.0 and it is a very good start, the os is buttery smooth and intuitive to use, MS have got this one right!
Everyone keeps saying there returning there Thrill, its not worth it, blah blah blah. What's so wrong with this phone besides Froyo? Just curious causevim Thrilled about my purchase
I'm seeing alot of people are pissed about the thrill because its running froyo. An outdated system on a new device is what they say. People are holding out for the galaxy s 2. What they don't seem to get is all over the net there are videos and comparisons to the galaxy s 2 and the thrill. The results are pretty much dead even. Some parts the thrill destroys the s2 in tests, NEVER DOES THE S2 DO THE SAME. and guess what the s2 is running the latest version of android. So with that said, once we get gingerbread people will be eating there words. Plus people don't understand all dual core phones are the same except for the thrill/optimus 3D, this phones internals are so unique that we have dual channel support. Watch this video, it just makes sense >>>
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnHykOcWKAg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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Personally I love this phone and to be honest I get better battery life outta this phone than my atrix. Y I'm not sure. I don't have any lag issues so my real life experience is great.
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In my experience, people don't even know what the differences are between Froyo and Gingerbread; they just want the latest so they can tell their nerd friends that they have the latest.
I know the differences, which is why I'm not so gung ho - yes, it's later and it improves on some things, but the differences are mainly beneath the surface so I don't get the fascination with the latest.
When Ice Cream Sandwich is released, will people be returning their GS2s for something newer?
I agree with everyone above, I love this phone and have not had any problems with speed or lag. Gingerbread will come but to be honest I would rather LG just give us Ice Cream Sandwich as soon as it comes out at this point in the Gingerbread game. And after using the 3D for games and I even rented Sanctum and it looked fantastic, I don't think I could not have 3D now.
There's nothing wrong with the Thrill. Very beautiful device and works extremely well.
I guess this quote explains the reason people keep returning it very well, "The grass is always greener on the other side."
I have the rogers optimus 3d (which i beleive is the same as the thrill). I love the device so far. The only issues i have with it as of now are the tinny speaker and the lack of a bluetooth hid profile (I want to use a bt keyboard!!) I hope development picks up soon.
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I just cant get over how HORRIBLE this battery is. I have owned several android devices this year and by far this one takes the cake for crappy battery. Hopefully Gingerbread improves it like it helped the Inspire (which was way better even with froyo) but I wont be sticking around to see it.
That and the delay with opening certain apps like the camera (which takes about 5 seconds to load) and the delay when waking the phone up im just amazed at how low quality this device is. The 3D is cool, but I need a device that can atleast meet the standards of a low-end smartphone when it comes to anything else.
I'm glad to see some optimism here. Who the heck cares what ROM comes on the phone? Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, but this is my fourth Android phone (G1, MT3G, G2X, now Thrill) and I've never run a stock ROM for more than a month or so (or however long it takes for custom ROMs to be released). The phone has already been rooted, Clockwork is out (albeit still in beta), and it's only 10 days old. We'll have custom GB 2.3.5 on this beast in no time, and we won't care that it's still running Froyo on stock.
My old SGS is being given to my dad and I was wondering which rom and kernel would be best. 2.3 and 4.0 make no difference. He isn't that much of a tech-geek so any fancy features or outfits are not important. What is important however is battery life, that it's easy to use, and that it has a smooth user interface. I was thinking of cyanogen mod 7 or maybe aokp if it works well enough with only a 512 MB ram. MIUI and some others are also up for consideration. It would be great if it had Finnish language capabilities also but this is not a strict requirement.
Check out TeamHacksung's ICS build. Its incredibly stable, full featured but also very clean and crisp. Nothing overwhelming, worth a look !
Seriously if it is for your dad I'd look for a stock rom... maybe one of the most recent ones then just add the lag fix, semaphore or other faster kernel. Or leave as is with stock.
Cyanogenmod 7.1 stable has the potential "hello hello" bug which I can't see my Dad enjoying & for me CM9 was fairly unstable & laggy. Also got "hello hello" issue which I have not had on any other Roms although some have had it on other Roms.
Most ICS builds are great and very stable but they do have bugs at this point and are mostly Alpha builds.
Darky's rom would be nice and Ficeto's base roms are stable, pre-rooted and so on. Try them
Stock roms probably have the longest battery life. But really if he's not going to use the features of a smart phone (internet, mail, etc etc), maybe you would want to look into selling it and buying a phone designed for older people? (Not too sure how old he is)
There are phones designed with large keypads etc, specifically for the elderly. But that's for people who are 70-80+
just gave an htc incredible 1 to my father inlaw
has basic cyanogenmod 7.. he figured it out pretty quick concidering he went from a flip phone
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HAHA, my dad is not that old. He will learn it quite quickly, I’m sure. I tried few roms yesterday and Cyanogenmod 7 was pretty good. But then I flashed AOKP M4 and I don’t think going back to 2.3 even on this low hardware is an option anymore. ICS runs smoothly, is fast and works very well. Also flashed Devil’s kernel and battery life seems to be better than with stock, at least in idle and many people seem to recommend it. I won’t use stock rom because I don’t wish touchwiz to my worst enemy let alone to my dad. Custom launcher don’t work that well as they won’t stay in memory.