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This might be a silly question, but does anyone know if the G1 will be able to access the web if you live in an area where 3G is not available yet? I live north of Los Angeles (who has 3G) in Bakersfield and we don't have it yet. I am hoping that I was not an idiot to preorder the phone and then not be able to use all the cool web features.
Thanks in advance,
Jamie
it should still work on the EDGE network
From my understanding it will work with GPRS, Edge, and 3g so you shouldn't have any problems bro by the way I understand the concern.
With a 1150ma battery, GPS, "big" screen etc, 3G will just drain the battery even quicker.
I will not worry about 3G until an extended battery is released- and the fact that 3G will not be in my market for a year of so.
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Hey guys i have a htc wing now, and it does not have a gps. It looks like the gps for this phone is one of the main highlights, because it uses it for a lot of applications. Does anyone know what the gps strength will be like? Will it work will in a building, it do i have the be in direct light for like ten minuites to get a signal?
Anyone with a htc device with a gps already, does it work well?
I hear the android is a-gps, so mabye it will have the ability to somewhat work well when in a pocket, or building.....
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Time for a lesson on GPS... It uses satellites in the sky, and you need a view of a certain amount of satellites to find your location (4 will find you but not very accurately, the more the better). If you're in a building, and not right next to a window, no GPS will ever find your location, ever. That's like asking if your internet will work if the ethernet cable is unplugged from the back of your computer and you don't have wifi, it goes against the entire idea of how it functions.
Now, as for the quality of the HTC GPS receiver... People have complained about GPS lag, but I maintain my opinion that it's completely software related, my Fuze had none whatsoever. You don't need to be in sunlight, just have enough clear sky that it can get a reading from the satellites. I've taken trips with the Fuze even on very cloudy days and it took a little longer to get a lock (5-10 mins, it locks in like 30 seconds to a minute with clear skies) but once it had my position, it stayed true. All of the upcoming HTC devices use A-GPS, by the way. Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia, G1...
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WHAAAT? you dont want to use 3g? lol in my opinion thats 50 percent of the phones features.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
The big thing with A-GPS is that it's mainly used to increase the startup speed of your GPS. Instead of waiting 10 minutes to download the almanac of the satellites in the sky from the GPS sats, it downloads the data over your data connection, using the basis of which cell site you're connected to for determining your rough location. This way it only takes about 30 seconds to get a fix instead of much longer.
The sensitivity of the GPS on phones has been fairly good as far as i've seen on devices like the Tilt and such, so I don't see why a phone with such a heavy emphasis on location-based apps would have a sub-par GPS setup. Here's hoping things work well.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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Thanks to one and all!!! I am looking forward to my G1 and retiring my Wing.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
haitiankid4lyf said:
3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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Exactly... But when you're without 3G, I guess you try to justify why it's not as good, and that's what he came up with. It's like everything though, people on here try to justify why the iPhone isn't as good as the Diamond/Touch Pro, truth be told it's better in many aspects but comes short in many as well.
3g data transfer?
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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I choose D... all of the above
No... it will not work out of the box.
Yes/maybe... it should work someday soon unless HTC/T-Mobile have somehow disabled that ability in hardware.
As soon as I get the phone I will be working on it on the Linux side (not an actual internet sharing app... more of a route/iptables script) and I am sure someone will work on a java solution (although a kernel solution would be faster). There was an application for the iPhone that provided internet sharing but it was banned from apple store and Google has said they won't do that so I think it should be here soon.
problems with Wireless (3g and wifi)
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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I have an issue with my G1 WIFI connection. If i broadcast my SSID I connect with no problems. but if i disable the broadcast it will not connect, and this is with me manually putting in the connections into the phone.
I called TMobile but they said i needed to call HTC. they didn't have a solution.
BTW, I have no WEP enabled. I just disable the SSID broadcast.
I just connected to my Linksys router with WPA2 and had 3G running, connected no problem.
Haitiankid: try entering the details of your network manually and seeing if it will connect then. Also, as for the 3G fading in and out, are you in a week signal area for 3G?
wifi working
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
for those of you with the 3g/edge switching problem...
Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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I don't think that's the case. I've had the same SIM card since 2000, no problems like this. If any SIM is too old to support 3G, I'd think one made 8 years ago would definitely be the case.
It sounds like he's in a bad coverage area, which could be lots of things. There is a coverage map on the T-Mo website, don't know if it shows 3G. Or it could be the building he's in. My phones have never worked at my grandmother's house. I get full bars on the front porch, and full bars the second I get out the back door, but no signal in the house itself. Even relatives on other networks get little to no coverage inside the house. Probably the really really old insulation and building materials are blocking the signal. At my last apartment I only had a good signal on the corner of my bed, and that disappeared when new neighbors moved in upstairs.
These are radio waves, which aren't foolproof or perfect, they encounter all kinds of interference. Nothings going to be as secure and consistant as a wired connection. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
haitiankid4lyf said:
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
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Careful dude, with the security set to open anyone within range (neighbors, wardrivers, etc.) can use your wifi to get on the internet. Try using WPA or WPA2 security, but leaving it all mixed and frequency at auto.
Hey guys.. I read a LOT on here and I can't find anything in particular about the problem i'm experiencing. This is sort of a 2 part question..
I'm new to 4G and how network packets are routed, but maybe this is just a flaw in the application. Plex is an application you can install on your IOS or Android device that lets you stream media from your home. When I have my Streak 7 connected to wifi it works GREAT. If I turn wifi off and have it on 4G it wont load.. it's as if Plex doesn't even have a connection (in the application.. the rest of the device works great). If I go out to a 3G area the application works great again.
What gives? Does the development of an application need to accept different speed networks, or once the device is connected to the net (like any typical PC) the connection performance only works as good as your speed?
This really bugs me.. I was planning on using this application to stream movies while I'm out of town on business.
Thanks in advance!
- Joe
The application doesn't support hspa+ if I had to make an educated guess. Similar things happen to my evo on wimax using other applications
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Just wondering if anyone knows how many devices can be connected to the Galaxy S via wireless Mobile AP.
My home 3g router blew up and the replacement pocket wifi is pretty crap.
Currently I can get no more than 2 connections but read somewhere that as many as 5 could be. Maybe different software versions had different settings.
Any help is appreciated.
EDIT: SORTED. Had an older version of Docs rom 2.2.1 JPY running. Installed a newer JVQ 2.3.4 and was able to connect 5 devices. More than enough
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I think I've gotten 3-4, but you need to realise the phone simply isn't designed to work as a dedicated router. The antenna is much smaller (so you'd need to be close by), and the ability to support multiple connections is very limited. Having more than a couple connections is going to cause all the connections to start lagging.
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I think I've gotten 3-4, but you need to realise the phone simply isn't designed to work as a dedicated router. The antenna is much smaller (so you'd need to be close by), and the ability to support multiple connections is very limited. Having more than a couple connections is going to cause all the connections to start lagging.
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I agree its not meant to be used as a dedicated router, but it actually has many advantages.
I actually have 2 and selling 1 isn't going to get me much $ so I want to keep both. I also have no problems getting wifi reception from it as its located centrally in the house, plus the house is not that large. Speed is also excellent.
With the Virgin broadband home router I had for years, it was good but speed was not great (max 3mbps), it wasn't portable and generally lost connection a couple of times a day.
The replacement Virgin pocket wifi, had better speed but lost connection sometimes in under a minute. I had to reconnect it 7 times while trying to pay a bill over the internet even though I've set it to never disconnect. Once it stayed on for over a week but went downhill from there. I received another for free from my provider and same ****.
With the spare galaxy s, its faster than both - it got up to 6mbps and reception is poor at my house. Not once has it dropped network reception as its a phone, its always on power, and I have 3 spare batteries so if I want to take it away with me I can get days of usage without charge.
To me, nothing can beat that. Plus it also doubles as everything else (camera, navigator, tv-out, phone!!!!,etc).
It's a mobile hotspot with tons of advantages. Just got to figure out how to get a couple more connections.
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Guys,
Don't know if I'm the only person with this problem but its irritating me more ever day and making me hate this marvellous device.
I have three wifi access points in my house connected to the same switch, long house with 3-4' thick granite walls so need this to get coverage.
Whenever I connect to wifi and move to a stronger wifi area on the same network the phone insists on staying connected to the weaker signal even if there are 'no bars' and hardly any signal strength.
I'm guessing this is making the radio work harder hence lowering battery life, plus reducing data speeds; why doesn't it automatically switch to the stronger signal like my blackberry does?
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Same thing happens to me. I always feel like throwing it against a wall when it does that because in have to go into the settings and manually change it. I haven't found a setting to connect automatically to a stronger signal yet though.
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kkg720 said:
Same thing happens to me. I always feel like throwing it against a wall when it does that because in have to go into the settings and manually change it. I haven't found a setting to connect automatically to a stronger signal yet though.
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Odd... there were answers to this question in this thread yesterday!?!
To recap, in case anyone else is looking for solutions, three apps were recommended: Best Wifi, Wifi Switcher, and Wifi Jumper... all available on Google Play. I chose and experimented with Best Wifi last night on both my Note and my Xoom. Worked great in limited testing. My setup is 3 Ubiquity routers, the two most distant cabled directly to the primary (which is cabled directly to the gateway). All 3 broadcast the same SSID and use the same security protocols, so moving around with mobile equipment is almost transparent and so setup of new, fixed devices is identical regardless of location. This setup has worked well for my application.
got the same problem with my repeaters :/
Hi Everyone.
Does anyone tried to use external bluetooth GPS reciever with Galxy Tab 2 7" (P3110) with Bluetooth GPS App from Android market?
Also, do I need root for this app to run?
Marek.
Why use an external GPS when it has GPS built in?
As far as I know it has A-GPS.
Or maybe I'm wrong...
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As far as I know it has A-GPS.
Or maybe I'm wrong...
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A-GPS is better than GPS. It means GPS plus the ability to lock on quicker using Wifi and cell tower positioning.
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"Reliability: Location determined via A-GPS are slightly less accurate than GPS GPS devices can determine location coordinates to within 1 meter accuracy
Cost: It costs money to use A-GPS devices on an ongoing basis because they use mobile network resources. GPS devices communicate directly with satellites for free. There is no cost of operation once the device is paid for."
Checkout last 2 points about Reliability and Costs. As a wifi-only p3113 user, having the ability to connect to GPS sat (even with no internet) would be a HUGE plus. So I would love to know how this bluetooth workaround works!
(sorry i can't link to anything because I'm a new user)
"Reliability:Location determined via A-GPS are slightly less accurate than GPSGPS devices can determine location coordinates to within 1 meter accuracy
Cost:It costs money to use A-GPS devices on an ongoing basis because they use mobile network resources.GPS devices communicate directly with satellites for free. There is no cost of operation once the device is paid for."
Checkout last 2 points about Reliability and Costs. As a wifi-only p3113 user, having the ability to connect to GPS sat (even with no internet) would be a HUGE plus. So I would love to know how this bluetooth workaround works!
(sorry i can't link to anything because I'm a new user)
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Have you tried? With wifi off I lock on to GPS in 2 seconds. Offline maps navigation works perfect... what more do you want?
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Oh and from Wikipedia...
Assisted GPS, generally abbreviated as A-GPS or aGPS, is a system which can, under certain conditions, improve the startup performance, or time-to-first-fix (TTFF) of a GPS satellite-based positioning system. It is used extensively with GPS-capable cellular phones as its development was accelerated by the U.S. FCC's 911 mandate making the location of a cell phone available to emergency call dispatchers.
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Metallice said:
Have you tried? With wifi off I lock on to GPS in 2 seconds. Offline maps navigation works perfect... what more do you want?
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Well, instead of buying a GPS, I added some money and got a 7inch tablet P3113 also.
I have no tried offline GPS yet, how accurate is it? does re-direction work? which app would you recommend?
thank you
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Well, instead of buying a GPS, I added some money and got a 7inch tablet P3113 also.
I have no tried offline GPS yet, how accurate is it? does re-direction work? which app would you recommend?
thank you
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Accurate enough? Yes redirection works. Google maps has an offline feature. Or you could try navfree.
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I love it when people are always confused about A-GPS.
A-GPS is BETTER than just GPS.
Assisted GPS means, that instead of just relying on the GPS satllites, it helps setting the position from WIFI and cell network.
It does NOT cost any money.
It is also handy, when you are indoors, so your device does not get a position fix from GPS satellites.
Besides, this samsung receives the Russian GLONASS satellites in addition to the American GPS, so its very precise.
My 10.1 tab2 (has the same receiver) sees 15+ satellites indoors!
GPS test shows precision down to 1m.
Bela
A-GPS need data connection
Hi, these posts are great to explain the difference between the A-GPS and regular GPS, but what happens if you do not have a data plan on your tablet and you are not in a wireless range. There is no way to activate the GPS.
The only way I have been able to use my no data Samsung 10.1 is to activate the GPS while in a wireless area then I can go for a drive (will always stay connected). If I would try to activiate the GPS on the road, I am out of luck.
Any work arounds?
Tether your phone to it....or. ... dont use a tablet for directions use your smart phone....and if you tell, e you dont have one then go return your tablet and get a real phone...
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jstompanato said:
Hi, these posts are great to explain the difference between the A-GPS and regular GPS, but what happens if you do not have a data plan on your tablet and you are not in a wireless range. There is no way to activate the GPS.
The only way I have been able to use my no data Samsung 10.1 is to activate the GPS while in a wireless area then I can go for a drive (will always stay connected). If I would try to activiate the GPS on the road, I am out of luck.
Any work arounds?
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GPS works fine away from wifi on my tab-2 7 inch. It has real gps and doesn't need a wifi connection. You do have to turn it on in system seyyings though,
Allen Edwards said:
GPS works fine away from wifi on my tab-2 7 inch. It has real gps and doesn't need a wifi connection. You do have to turn it on in system seyyings though,
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what did you do to get it to work without wifi? I have all three boxes checked in settings under location.
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what did you do to get it to work without wifi? I have all three boxes checked in settings under location.
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I have a Tab-2 7 inch with no G-whatever. The GPS is real and doesn't need anything other than to turn it on. It works fine. Try "GPS Test" it will tell you what is going on.
Just a point, an external GPS module will have about 1/2 the positional error of the built in GPS if you have WAAS or equivalent DGPS coverage. I get about 30 feet peak to peak error with the built in GPS and about 15 feet with my external Qstarz unit.
Tethering
Tethering your phone for GPS use will eat up your data plan. T-Mobile for example will limit your roaming data bucket if your phone is not within their network. The GPS feature of tablets is nice and the maps are large but I use a separate GPS unit for long distance driving and there's no extra charges. I bought a unit from Costco with free map updates for life! I would rather tether my tablet for internet use while on the road, it breaks the boredom with your passengers and they can watch Netflix too, depending on the signal. I do find that there is a lag connecting to the internet because the signal has to refresh with new tower signals.
Do you have to have a WiFi signal to use the Gaps? I lobe using my tablet in my truck but don't always want to connect my tablet to my phone
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Do you have to have a WiFi signal to use the Gaps? I lobe using my tablet in my truck but don't always want to connect my tablet to my phone
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Assuming you mean A-GPS, no, the A- bit (assisted) needs data but that's just to speed up the initial fix time.
However, if you want to do something useful with the information about where you are, you may need a data connection; Google maps for example needs a data connection to get the maps, unless you have pre-cached them for the area you are in.
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