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[Q] Any idea when Nook Color II will appear?

I am really close to buying a Nook Color, but with my luck an updated model will be available shortly after. I would be willing to wait a couple of months if a new one was on the horizon.
Then again, I could get one now, then give it to my g/f when a new one comes out.

i doubt it, ive heard nothing about a new model, in fact why would they release a new one? this one does everything they would want the device to do. maybe they would do something about the handful of design flaws.. but it does not appear to have created enough buzz to warrant a redesign. Not to mention the fact that this one is rather new to the market.

I wouldn't expect a nook color 2 for some time, if at all. B&N is hurting pretty bad as a company (read: hemorrhaging money). I know they struck gold Jerry with the original nook (~30% market share for e-readers), but that still doesn't change the fact that B&N can't close stores fast enough.
B&N put out an ultra-fancy e-reader, one that is vastly over-qualified for what they wanted it to do, so there's lots of room for them to grow into as they release updates. As far as we know, the nook color (hardware wise) can handle both Froyo and Gingerbread with ease, and by the looks of it HoneyComb as well. Also, it was about a year inbetween the two nooks being released, so I would count on almost 1.5-2 years before we start hearing rummors.
I say, get one while you have the cash.

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I'm pretty sure that B&N is going to shift their goals to building out their Development platform before planning new hardware. Besides, they aren't making their margin on these Nooks, but rather setting up a somewhat razor/refill market that will (hopefully) get people into stores and more interested in their eBooks.
They might NOT be on top of the stack right now, but I'd go to B&N before setting foot in a Borders...

cameraz said:
I am really close to buying a Nook Color, but with my luck an updated model will be available shortly after. I would be willing to wait a couple of months if a new one was on the horizon.
Then again, I could get one now, then give it to my g/f when a new one comes out.
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I'm sorry but by this logic... why buy anything tech based? I don't need to think about buying the Iphone 4, I know that 5 will be out soon. Shortly after that 6, so on and so forth.
You need to read less what HACKERS are doing, and more what people SHOULD be doing with a Nookcolor. In the E-Reader market, the nookcolor is the top of the line model. When you look at other E-Readers many people rather have E-Ink (or its at least a common complaint), Currently a real "Nook Color" base doesn't exist. A lot of the features are not fully formed, and completely designed. Many Magazines, do not appear on the market. Even a lot of the actual "E-Reader" aspects are not all there, but lets move past this.
For there to be a "NookColor 2" there needs to be a reason to justify a better version. Unlike Apple B&N cant really afford to do an upgrade like the 3g to 3gs. The screen is very high grade, theres no real lag reading, the E-Reader programs are way better than the default one, backlit, color, etc. The most an upgrade would have would be more a redesign, theres nothing else it needs that it doesn't already have. Things like more memory would fall short, 5 gigs is more than enough for the core function, and buying a memory card is not that much of a hassle.

I agree, no upgrade coming this year. Feel free to buy!

woot1524 said:
I wouldn't expect a nook color 2 for some time, if at all. B&N is hurting pretty bad as a company (read: hemorrhaging money). I know they struck gold Jerry with the original nook (~30% market share for e-readers), but that still doesn't change the fact that B&N can't close stores fast enough.
B&N put out an ultra-fancy e-reader, one that is vastly over-qualified for what they wanted it to do, so there's lots of room for them to grow into as they release updates. As far as we know, the nook color (hardware wise) can handle both Froyo and Gingerbread with ease, and by the looks of it HoneyComb as well. Also, it was about a year inbetween the two nooks being released, so I would count on almost 1.5-2 years before we start hearing rummors.
I say, get one while you have the cash.
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Are you sure bn is not doing well and not mixing bn and borders up...i know borders is not doing well

franknferter said:
Are you sure bn is not doing well and not mixing bn and borders up...i know borders is not doing well
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Check out this link, it's a wiki for investers: http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Barnes_&_Noble_(BKS)
Now go down to "business growth."
B&N is, for a lack of a better term, bleeding money at an unsustainable rate.
Hell, they lost over $40 Million in just the last half of 2010. That's more than they made in the entire year of 2010. And on top of that, they earned HALF of what they made in 2009. Their operating margin(% of the difference between cost and retail of products sold that can go towards profit, or return on sales) fell from 2.8% to 1.3%(BTW that's god-awfull)
Even with their sales increasing nearly by double digits quarter after quarter. They make so little(% wise) that the increase of sales is overshadowed by the increase of costs assosiated with selling more of something.
So, pretty much half of the company just breaks even. The other half either losses money, or losses LOTS of money.
Don't be surprised if B&N doesn't survive long enough to honor our 1yr warrenties.
The real question is. Who's going to buy them? And, will the nook product line survive the transfer of ownership?
Edit: added comment about increasing sales.

Admiralvic said:
I'm sorry but by this logic... why buy anything tech based? I don't need to think about buying the Iphone 4, I know that 5 will be out soon. Shortly after that 6, so on and so forth.
... For there to be a "NookColor 2" there needs to be a reason to justify a better version. Unlike Apple B&N cant really afford to do an upgrade like the 3g to 3gs.
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Actually, I am not the type of person to sit back and wait for the latest version to come out, unless it has been some time since the original came out. Also, even if a new version comes out it has to be a big enough change for me to buy it. For instance, I bought the first generation iPod Touch, but didn't spring for the subsequent Gen. 2 or 3 because they were only minor upgrades, in my opinion. But when Gen. 4 came out, I upgraded.
The Nook has been out since last fall, I believe, and I remember reading on some tech site (CNET, maybe?) that this spring a new Nook Color would appear with 3g. I would only get this, however, if the 3g was free like on the Kindle.
In any event, where would you guys be more likely to purchase a Nook Color -- at an online retailer, or go directly to your local B&N store?

Aww that is news is bad for BN...my three stores always have people in them and two of them I always have to wait in line...unless I am there at odd hours
If I can buy locally for almost the same price...I will always buy locally. Now if I could have obtained the nook for $200 online...you bet I would have gone online! I think most "e-reader" people would prefer to go to a physical store than buy online...but look at the success of the Kindle...
Another aspect my stores are pushing are the Nook Color classes or meeting to share tips and tricks and how toos on the NC. While these dont apply to me...I would imagine they would appeal to the mass users of the NC.

An open note to Barnes and Noble

To Whom It May Concern,
As an Android enthusiast and owner of a Nook Color, I'd like to let you know that your entirely open and permissive attitude towards the modding community has made me VERY inclined to purchase content from you whenever possible. I've already bought three e-books from you and plan to buy more from you and ONLY you whenever I feel like purchasing content. This approach IS making you money. I promise.
Sincerely,
a now-devoted B&N customer

Somehow I do not think they intended the Nook to be as open as it is.

painter_ said:
Somehow I do not think they intended the Nook to be as open as it is.
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Maybe, but they haven't done anything to change it in any of their updates, either.

Let's hope that attitude remains the same when the official 2.2 update comes out. I'm with you though, I love this thing! Outside of Netflix, there's nothing the iPad has that I want and I cannot wait for Google to release their 3+ AOSP so we can make these Nooks even better!

You'd be surprised at what B&N suspected. I mean why else pack this much punch into an ereader with the Android OS backing it? They knew what they were doing. If they didn't, then I feel sorry for them...Im happy it got past them, but c'mon, the Android community has blown up since late 2009, Rooting became 100% legal (even if it voids the warrenty) and they even made it easy by allowing the SD card to boot first! They either planned it or it was horribly designed.

It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...

rogerdugans said:
It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...
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There's no such thing as bad press.
The flip side to having little to no device security is easy maintenance. I'd be surprised if BN stores didn't have a full reinstall/recover microsd image. It would be so easy to do.

rogerdugans said:
It's just guesswork, but I think B&N made it just difficult enough that casual users wouldn't be likely to screw up their NC but easy enough that the android community would be able to- and generate a huge amount of buzz about the Nook Color.
If it was JUST an e-reader as intended, half the articles you see online would not exist; maybe even fewer.
Pretty good advertising if you ask me...
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I also think that at LEAST 1/3rd (if not way, way more than that) of the people who bought it did so to make it into a tablet (or the very least to root it)

I am buying books on it. I am recommending friends buy it, and let them know they only get help if they bought it from Barnes and Noble.
I want B&N to get all the revenue from this device, and won't touch a Best Buy unit.
And yes, I bought it once I knew it was rootable and a great platform to learn Android hardware with.

Even as an Amazon Prime member/Kindle owner, I have been purchasing ebooks from B &N to show support for this device. I had planned on buying a Xoom this summer, but this device has exceeded my expectations.
They really need to up their advertising on this device.

roustabout said:
I am buying books on it. I am recommending friends buy it, and let them know they only get help if they bought it from Barnes and Noble.
I want B&N to get all the revenue from this device, and won't touch a Best Buy unit.
And yes, I bought it once I knew it was rootable and a great platform to learn Android hardware with.
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"Ditto" .... +1

JLCollier2005 said:
You'd be surprised at what B&N suspected. I mean why else pack this much punch into an ereader with the Android OS backing it?
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This is one of my biggest questions about the NC. I strongly suspect that development of the device pre-dates Barnes and Noble's interest in it, though I have no way of knowing that for sure.

I bought my Nook and one for my nephew as soon as they rooted it with no intention of using it as an e-reader. I had never been to a B&N and bought all of my books from Amazon or Borders. Since I bought the Nook I ordered all of my school books from B&N and have also bought a few e-books and audio books from them. The Nook provided exposure to B&N that they would not of had in my case.

Just my 2 cents on how open b&n is about rooting the nc. I went into a bn store to get a cover and was presented a book by an employee on how to root and make it a full fledged tablet.
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ruiza997 said:
Just my 2 cents on how open b&n is about rooting the nc. I went into a bn store to get a cover and was presented a book by an employee on how to root and make it a full fledged tablet.
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The reps are real cool about rooting it and know what they're talking about. Then you get the guy I got the other day who knew nothing about the nook period. They either know all or are dumb as hell.

As an employee of BN, specifically a digital lead, with a rooted nook color running CM7, I do my best to let management know how important it is for me to be able to support the modding community. I root devices in-store, fix rooted devices, and make sure returns and warranty problems go off without a hitch even for modded machines. I never feel as though I am going against the grain and I think we're being very smart about all of this so far.

I guess I'm in the minority here. I bought the Nook because I'm too cheap for the iPad. I'm also too cheap to pay B&N's prices for their books and I am always on the lookout for free ebooks. Paying $7.00 and more on a regular basis for books seems like waste.

starkruzr said:
To Whom It May Concern,
As an Android enthusiast and owner of a Nook Color, I'd like to let you know that your entirely open and permissive attitude towards the modding community has made me VERY inclined to purchase content from you whenever possible. I've already bought three e-books from you and plan to buy more from you and ONLY you whenever I feel like purchasing content. This approach IS making you money. I promise.
Sincerely,
a now-devoted B&N customer
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Dear Barnes & Noble;
I bought the Nook Color in mid-December simply because it could be rooted. Since that time, I have purchased a cover, screen protectors, and extra charger and 58 e-books. The NC is a great product, and your employees that I've dealt with support it enthusiastically, even though it's rooted. This results in a happy, loyal customer base and helps ensure repeat business. Kudos to you.

I will sign the letter too!
I had no great love for Barnes & Noble before this (their pricing took a steep upward spiral many years ago; long ago they were the only good discounter, but that's long gone and I have little use for lattes and biscotti in a bookstore). But now I have a very soft spot for them and we visit the store more frequently to buy things as inexpensive as paper magazines and toys and as expensive as, well, the Nook.
Let's hope they continue with the openness and don't make fools of us by root-blocking attempts with the 2.2 release.
For what it's worth every B&N clerk I've asked about the Nook has "just happened to mention" that it's rootable -- I almost think it's part of their official sales pitch.

Given that B&N set up store displays for the Nook Color that included a book that told you how to root the Nook ... I'd guess they were pretty open to the idea that it would be ... open. Heck, I've had 2 long conversations with employees in B&N stores telling them about how to get more up to date info here on XDA. I can't read the minds of the execs at the top that product managed Nook Color, but everything from the lower levels says they're perfectly happy with it.
Consider me /signed as well

NY Times article on the popularity of the Nook Color

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.

jsmith8858 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Good article. I think we (rooters) are a big part of the success, not just because we buy them but we make the sales numbers look good enough to continue the push. It is also such an elegant looking device that the more people see them, the more they sell. I see a lot of them on the commuter train I take to work every morning. I would say I see more of them than iPad (I still see more original nooks, kindles, and Sony ereaders than anything). iPad sales are boosted by people that buy them because they are cool and want to use them at home. They are really too big and heavy to use comfortably on the train in my opinion and I am a 250 lb guy.
I wasn't aware of the problems Apple is having with magazine publishers. I am not a big magazine reader but I get Men's Health and it looks great on the Nook (both in the app on CM7 and the stock - I dual boot). There is no way that I would buy each edition at $4-$5. $2 a month for a subscription is a much more attractive price for me.

jsmith8858 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Very ineteresting. I never realized magazines on the Nook Color were basically just PDF files.
Hopefully, publishers will eventually tweak their magazines so they fit the Nook Color's screen dimensions better "out of the box." I don't mind pinching and Zooming, and it's nice that the magazine is identical to the newstand copy, but it would be cool if the articles fit the screen better from the get-go without the need to pinch and zoom.

jsmith8858 said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/business/media/23nook.html
I bought the Nook Color for my wife, she likes to read on it, and I get to tweak it and play with it as a tablet. Lately I used it more than her of course. And she doesn't mind what i do to it as long as she can still read her books.
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Ewwww I'm playing with a "girls toy" *chucks nook out the window*
JK I just have to put some stickers of hot naked chicks on the back and it will be ok.

I'm probably going to buy a NC soon (first tablet) but reading the NY Times article they say that B&N is expected to debut a new e-reader this week.
Does anyone have any detail about this? maybe they'll drop the price of the current NC ($250), does someone know of a better deal? TIA
LU.

limaunion said:
I'm probably going to buy a NC soon (first tablet) but reading the NY Times article they say that B&N is expected to debut a new e-reader this week.
Does anyone have any detail about this? maybe they'll drop the price of the current NC ($250), does someone know of a better deal? TIA
LU.
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No one knows for sure but speculation is it will be an update or an additional option the the original eInk Nook, not the Color. The Nook Color (NC) was only introduced last November as the NYT article states. With the latest upgrade and addition of apps, many think it is too soon to replace it.
The original Nook is about 1 year old which, in technology these days, means it's old.
Beyond that I haven't paid too much attention to what the actual details of the announcement might be. I'm not interested in another Nook. I'm happy with my NC.

(Outdated) If a New Nook Color comes out May 24 will you trade up?

Just curious to see how many people would "trade-up" to the newer model *if* (very small chance I know) B&N announces tomorrow that they're releasing a faster and more full featured tablet/reader.
I'm of two minds about it, if it ends up being a new NC (which I doubt myself) that is better than the current NC, it'll probably cost $50-100 more, in which case why not just get one of the dedicated tablets out on the market? (Or wait for Amazon's quad core Hollywood tablet..)
What do you think?

I would wait for Hollywood, hell even Coyote. I don't really have money to just throw around myself, so even if they did release a newer Nook Color, I doubt it would be a big enough difference in performance or features to make me go buy it tomorrow.
In fact, with the possibility of Hollywood being only $450 at launch and from amazon (who you know is going to go out of their way to make sure they have plenty in stock) I may not even trade up to the Iconia or Transformer this fall like I had wanted to.
Which kind of sucks since the wife wants a Nook color now. (Was going to give her mine...)

Supposedly (PCMag article) Amazon "might" be pricing the 7-inch Coyote tablet a $349 and the 9.7-inch Hollywood tablet at $449 (assuming lowest storage price). If Amazon throws in free 3G for apps downloads I'm sold (doubt it though since their cloud computing mp3/streaming video would end up costing them a pretty penny with free 3G).

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Supposedly (PCMag article) Amazon "might" be pricing the 7-inch Coyote tablet a $349 and the 9.7-inch Hollywood tablet at $449 (assuming lowest storage price). If Amazon throws in free 3G for apps downloads I'm sold (doubt it though since their cloud computing mp3/streaming video would end up costing them a pretty penny with free 3G).
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You wouldn't jump on a tegra 4 tablet for $449 unless it has free 3g?

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You wouldn't jump on a tegra 4 tablet for $449 unless it has free 3g?
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I'm trying not to spend *too* much money this year but....
The niece and nephew have been clamoring to inherit the Nook anyway, this year's a good time as any.

The new Nook!
Not a tablet - but a touch based e-reader:
http://news.cnet.com/tipster-new-nook-is-the-simple-touch-reader/8301-17938_105-20065525-1.html

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Not a tablet - but a touch based e-reader:
http://news.cnet.com/tipster-new-nook-is-the-simple-touch-reader/8301-17938_105-20065525-1.html
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its a cheap tablet, only cost 169$, so cheap that it must have cut down many hardware inside it.

Very nice, I'm very pro supporting BN so if their new reader has decent battery life, I'll probably buy it over the kindle in the near future.

Engadget just posted that B&N are now selling the old Nooks for $99 on eBay.

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Engadget just posted that B&N are now selling the old Nooks for $99 on eBay.
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Just saw this as well.
Still rocking the Incredible with the XDA Premium App.

And the new Nook is a $139 touch enabled eReader - so...no Color as many of us predicted.

Gin1212 said:
Very nice, I'm very pro supporting BN so if their new reader has decent battery life, I'll probably buy it over the kindle in the near future.
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The engadget article states 2 months on a charge.

here is the article about the new nook:
***.engadget.com/2011/05/24/barnes-and-noble-announces-new-nook/

Doesn't sound like it has a lot to recommend it compared to nc, but we can still spend a few days speculating if it will boot from SD card... perhaps there are some applications where a "paperback" android device would be useful, especially if the disaffected sell them lightly used in the $100 range.

Press release says nook color now $169 list. Time for a second one to play with!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20065678-264.html
EDIT: Went to the blog of the news conference and the reporter was wrong. NC is not lowered in list price! It is the 3g version of the old original nook that is $169. Bummer.
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leapinlar said:
Press release says nook color now $169 list. Time for a second one to play with!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20065678-264.html
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Correction, the original nook 3g is now 169. nook color is unchanged.

Touch screen e-ink? 80% less flashing (supposedly)? sd card? I'm sold. I wonder how long it takes to get it hacked and someone throw as a browser on there. e-ink touchscreen browser, even if just black and white, aounds very intriguing to me. Especially if it's better than the kindle's experimental browser.

this also assumes bn didn't take the hint from the first nc and locks the thing down like a bunker. Not to say there are some great devs out there but it would severley limit progress. This comming from a droid 2. Locked bootloaders =

I'd stay where i'm at right now. Working on saving money for a true tablet, but i like my NC as it is with HC now.

Why trade up? The Nook Color does everything I need it to do... IN COLOR. Running CM7 or phiremod is the icing on the cake...

nook color for $179 at Overstock

Overstock has the refurb nook color with 1 year man. warranty for $179 today.
http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Nook-Color-by-Barnes-Noble-Certified-Pre-Owned/5924200/product.html

Great deal! See this post for an extra $10 off via Buy.com: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220388

all these deals make me feel like something new is coming
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all these deals make me feel like something new is coming
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I think this is a run to get as many out as possible before Amazon releases a tablet.

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I think this is a run to get as many out as possible before Amazon releases a tablet.
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thats my vote.

Are you guys wrongly comparing Brand-new NC vs. Refurbished NC?
Amazon tablet has nothing to do with those price-dropping NOOKC.
If the brand-new NC is dropping price then it's legitimate to say because of the impact of the Amazon tablet, this is not, this is refurbished, people.

votinh said:
Are you guys wrongly comparing Brand-new NC vs. Refurbished NC?
Amazon tablet has nothing to do with those price-dropping NOOKC.
If the brand-new NC is dropping price then it's legitimate to say because of the impact of the Amazon tablet, this is not, this is refurbished, people.
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I have 2 that do not look at all to be anything but new. I suspect that B&N is flooding the market and you may get new or refurb. Have you ever seen any tech gizmo that was this popular and had this many refurbs floating around? Unless you have some solid inside info from either Amazon or B&N I take your advice as simply an opinion.

votinh said:
Are you guys wrongly comparing Brand-new NC vs. Refurbished NC?
Amazon tablet has nothing to do with those price-dropping NOOKC.
If the brand-new NC is dropping price then it's legitimate to say because of the impact of the Amazon tablet, this is not, this is refurbished, people.
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the nook color price hasnt dropped, its been $249 for a while now
the nook color refurbished price has dropped, from $225 to $169.
the reason for the glut of refurbs? no idea/opinion.
is B&N reselling refurbished NC's for cheaper and cheaper, an attempt at saturating the channel before amazon releases their tablet(s)? perhaps.
i got mine about a month or two ago for $189 from b&n through ebay; so could read books, comics, study, and do light surfing (reading the tech news). i only got it b/c i could root it, which i did via microSD card and run android/CM7. my wife has been "borrowing" it during the day to read books while at work (she is a nanny). she also will be "borrowing" it to read books when she stays home with our first child, in the fall. she finds being able to read a book with one hand and turn the page with a finger MUCH easier, especially when holding a baby. she loves the quality of the screen and is getting used to the touch screen interface.
will any other tablet de-throne the NC for the sub $200-250 tablet market segment - only time will tell. competition is a good thing for all consumers. i look forward to new tablets, but i will probably stick with my $250 investment (NC, 16gb microSD card, silicon cover, screen protector, neoprene bag) for at least 1-2 years unless anyone comes out with a tablet that is as fast as my workstation/desktop for surfing for approx. $250, which will probably happen in 1-2 years at the rate we are currently moving. that, or the battery fails to maintain a charge after doing 50% drain every day. The question is, will tablets hit the metaphorical wall, as we did with computers and the current 3-4ghz processor "cap"? only time will tell.