This might be a silly question, but does anyone know if the G1 will be able to access the web if you live in an area where 3G is not available yet? I live north of Los Angeles (who has 3G) in Bakersfield and we don't have it yet. I am hoping that I was not an idiot to preorder the phone and then not be able to use all the cool web features.
Thanks in advance,
Jamie
it should still work on the EDGE network
From my understanding it will work with GPRS, Edge, and 3g so you shouldn't have any problems bro by the way I understand the concern.
With a 1150ma battery, GPS, "big" screen etc, 3G will just drain the battery even quicker.
I will not worry about 3G until an extended battery is released- and the fact that 3G will not be in my market for a year of so.
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Hey guys i have a htc wing now, and it does not have a gps. It looks like the gps for this phone is one of the main highlights, because it uses it for a lot of applications. Does anyone know what the gps strength will be like? Will it work will in a building, it do i have the be in direct light for like ten minuites to get a signal?
Anyone with a htc device with a gps already, does it work well?
I hear the android is a-gps, so mabye it will have the ability to somewhat work well when in a pocket, or building.....
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Time for a lesson on GPS... It uses satellites in the sky, and you need a view of a certain amount of satellites to find your location (4 will find you but not very accurately, the more the better). If you're in a building, and not right next to a window, no GPS will ever find your location, ever. That's like asking if your internet will work if the ethernet cable is unplugged from the back of your computer and you don't have wifi, it goes against the entire idea of how it functions.
Now, as for the quality of the HTC GPS receiver... People have complained about GPS lag, but I maintain my opinion that it's completely software related, my Fuze had none whatsoever. You don't need to be in sunlight, just have enough clear sky that it can get a reading from the satellites. I've taken trips with the Fuze even on very cloudy days and it took a little longer to get a lock (5-10 mins, it locks in like 30 seconds to a minute with clear skies) but once it had my position, it stayed true. All of the upcoming HTC devices use A-GPS, by the way. Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia, G1...
aad4321 said:
WHAAAT? you dont want to use 3g? lol in my opinion thats 50 percent of the phones features.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
The big thing with A-GPS is that it's mainly used to increase the startup speed of your GPS. Instead of waiting 10 minutes to download the almanac of the satellites in the sky from the GPS sats, it downloads the data over your data connection, using the basis of which cell site you're connected to for determining your rough location. This way it only takes about 30 seconds to get a fix instead of much longer.
The sensitivity of the GPS on phones has been fairly good as far as i've seen on devices like the Tilt and such, so I don't see why a phone with such a heavy emphasis on location-based apps would have a sub-par GPS setup. Here's hoping things work well.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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Thanks to one and all!!! I am looking forward to my G1 and retiring my Wing.
Black93300ZX said:
He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
haitiankid4lyf said:
3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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Exactly... But when you're without 3G, I guess you try to justify why it's not as good, and that's what he came up with. It's like everything though, people on here try to justify why the iPhone isn't as good as the Diamond/Touch Pro, truth be told it's better in many aspects but comes short in many as well.
3g data transfer?
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
iife_aint_easy said:
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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I choose D... all of the above
No... it will not work out of the box.
Yes/maybe... it should work someday soon unless HTC/T-Mobile have somehow disabled that ability in hardware.
As soon as I get the phone I will be working on it on the Linux side (not an actual internet sharing app... more of a route/iptables script) and I am sure someone will work on a java solution (although a kernel solution would be faster). There was an application for the iPhone that provided internet sharing but it was banned from apple store and Google has said they won't do that so I think it should be here soon.
problems with Wireless (3g and wifi)
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
haitiankid4lyf said:
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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I have an issue with my G1 WIFI connection. If i broadcast my SSID I connect with no problems. but if i disable the broadcast it will not connect, and this is with me manually putting in the connections into the phone.
I called TMobile but they said i needed to call HTC. they didn't have a solution.
BTW, I have no WEP enabled. I just disable the SSID broadcast.
I just connected to my Linksys router with WPA2 and had 3G running, connected no problem.
Haitiankid: try entering the details of your network manually and seeing if it will connect then. Also, as for the 3G fading in and out, are you in a week signal area for 3G?
wifi working
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
for those of you with the 3g/edge switching problem...
Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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I don't think that's the case. I've had the same SIM card since 2000, no problems like this. If any SIM is too old to support 3G, I'd think one made 8 years ago would definitely be the case.
It sounds like he's in a bad coverage area, which could be lots of things. There is a coverage map on the T-Mo website, don't know if it shows 3G. Or it could be the building he's in. My phones have never worked at my grandmother's house. I get full bars on the front porch, and full bars the second I get out the back door, but no signal in the house itself. Even relatives on other networks get little to no coverage inside the house. Probably the really really old insulation and building materials are blocking the signal. At my last apartment I only had a good signal on the corner of my bed, and that disappeared when new neighbors moved in upstairs.
These are radio waves, which aren't foolproof or perfect, they encounter all kinds of interference. Nothings going to be as secure and consistant as a wired connection. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
haitiankid4lyf said:
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
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Careful dude, with the security set to open anyone within range (neighbors, wardrivers, etc.) can use your wifi to get on the internet. Try using WPA or WPA2 security, but leaving it all mixed and frequency at auto.
I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?
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I ran a speed test at mobilespeedtest.com and got this
I think its way too good to be true, is anyone else at this speed?
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If it goes through a proxy it will screw things up. I once did a GPRS test (on an SE W580i) and got 40kbps with the SE browser. On opera mini it would tell me I was on 56MB
I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.
kylez64 said:
I did the test off and on now with around the same results
it says compared to other isps its about 9 times faster, i thought for sure there was an error, or just extremely lucky.
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try some other speed test site
mobilespeedtest.com says my 3g speed is 11907 Kbps oO
lukluk says my max speed is 619 Kbps
Xtreme lab's speedtest app says my d/l speed is 447 Kbits/s
speed testing - the badass way
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.
d0ugie said:
Okay if you want to do this right, first turn off any compression you may have enabled in Connections. Tether up a laptop with wmwifirouter (grab a trial). Might as well turn up your wifi strength on the phone but that may not matter. On the computer make sure you've got no crap running in the background that uses bandwidth including IM and p2p obviously on either the phone or the computer. Fire up a browser and do multiple tests from multiple servers on http://speakeasy.net/speedtest.
When you're done, for good measure, repeat but tethering through usb not wifi. I believe wifi may be faster than wifi and it does matter when you're testing a connection with possible but very unlikely throughput in the neighborhood of six bonded T1 lines.
Doug
edit: Sometimes carriers and ISPs cheat on their customers' bandwidth testing by packet bursting, shaping, throttling and proxy tricks. Since you're seeing insane (and most likely erroneous) speed results and if you want to bother getting to the bottom of this, in addition or instead of doing what I said, tether up with your computer, install this little simple bandwidth meter (on the computer) which I attached and download this 256.5MB copy of OpenBSD from this mirror on your computer:
ftp://filedump.se.rit.edu/pub/OpenBSD/4.5/amd64/install45.iso
And watch your bandwidth meter. Also fire up your best stopwatch and clock the full download and do some math to get the speed.
While you're at it figure out a way to upload a >10MB file somewhere and clock that too. Be advised your throughput testing may be confounded by the time of day and your carrier's network saturation in addition to your signal strength which might vary if you've got your laptop screen in between your phone and the path to the nearest tower.
Wow I guess I turned this into a big project.
edit: if you don't have access to another machine or are too lazy to do the tethering thing at least use dslreports/mspeed to download a 1MB test as opposed to mobilespeedtest.com's 512KB.
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well I did this and got around 1-2 mbps witch is still very good for me
one can always dream though lol
Now, you may know me for having immense troubles with my network connection speed, reaching .06Mbps (60Kbps) down and rendering my phone's wireless internet unusable, regardless of ROM, modem, or any real variables.
After a new SIM card from ATT and a few lucky Master Clears (where it worked after each session for roughly one hour before locking up again), I think I may have found the cause...Or so I thought. IP addresses weren't the culprit.
What is awkward, however, is that my EDGE service now works, and it's faster than my 3G service. On EDGE, my internet is 3 times faster than that of 3G, again still poor, but an improvement nonetheless. Thus, I've concluded that it's an issue with 3G and either my cell network or my phone's 3G cell chip.
How could I go about diagnosing this issue? I want my 3G service back... I have changed modems several times, and switching ROMs doesn't do anything. Anything I can flash, use Service Mode, etc, I'm game for. I don't want to keep throwing money at ATT if I can't use the service.
EDIT: Signature is showing my current internet speeds over HSUPA. HELP!
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Now, you may know me for having immense troubles with my network connection speed, reaching .06Mbps (60Kbps) down and rendering my phone's wireless internet unusable, regardless of ROM, modem, or any real variables.
After a new SIM card from ATT and a few lucky Master Clears (where it worked after each session for roughly one hour before locking up again), I think I may have found the cause.
On ATT's network, one is authenticated with an IP address, as you may know. This is reflected in SpeedTest.net's plank for "External IP" in the results browser.
When I was getting real download speeds (my standard HSUPA rated 5.1Mbps down, 1.7Mbps up), my phone is connected to an IPv4 address beginning with "166.199.xxx.xxx". On UMTS (where I would get anywhere between 1.6-3.4Mbps down, 1.6Mbps up), the phone is also connected to "166.199.xxx.xxx". On 2G with decent speeds, I would get the same results yet again.
However, over the past week or so (since the 16th of January), I have gotten craptastic download speeds of .06Mbps and equally lousy upload speeds of .11Mbps. I just realised that in these cases (which happen after using the phone for roughly 45 minutes after a Master Clear and permanently stay that way), my phone is connected through a "32.16x.xxx.xxx" IP address.
What does this mean? How can I force it to stay on the "166" IP/network? ATT has been of no assistance, whatsoever, so I call for your help, XDA community!
EDIT: Sometimes, I think I'm being too technical in detail because nobody ever responds, but I just don't see this going in the Android Development board.
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You are assuming that all of those IP addresses are routable through whatever network you are connected to. Perhaps there are some "crappy" towers connected to a piece of the network that sucks and you happen to hop around onto them?
Either way, why not just set the adapter manually using ifconfig to test your theory?
http://www.manpagez.com/man/8/ifconfig/
( Yes, I am a crusty unix administrator that would prefer for you to RTFM )
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You are assuming that all of those IP addresses are routable through whatever network you are connected to. Perhaps there are some "crappy" towers connected to a piece of the network that sucks and you happen to hop around onto them?
Either way, why not just set the adapter manually using ifconfig to test your theory?
http://www.manpagez.com/man/8/ifconfig/
( Yes, I am a crusty unix administrator that would prefer for you to RTFM )
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Hm, this didn't work, speeds didn't change and I found that it's band-dependent; 32.xxx.xxx.xxx is just the 850 band for my area, while 166.xxx.xxx.xxx is the 1900 one. However, using EDGE now works since meddling with it, so I can at least reduce this to a 3G specific issue. Any pointers?
I say slow because they are much slower that a Galaxy S4 and Note 3. At work today we were testing out a Belkin AC router to a cable modem. Using the Speedtest.net app the galaxy's were reliably hitting 200-210 Mbs download speeds. My new One was only able to muster 95Mbs down. I come home and connect to my ASUS N66 router and I'm able to hit 104Mbs reliably. What gives? This makes no sense to me. I verified I had a 433 Mbs link when on the AC router at work, same as the Samsungs, we were all in the same location I even tried standing where they were and holding the phone differently in-case I was blocking the antenna. I never expected to be able to get 104 down at home standing one room and 30 feet for the router. Is there something weird going on with the app maybe?
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I say slow because they are much slower that a Galaxy S4 and Note 3. At work today we were testing out a Belkin AC router to a cable modem. Using the Speedtest.net app the galaxy's were reliably hitting 200-210 Mbs download speeds. My new One was only able to muster 95Mbs down. I come home and connect to my ASUS N66 router and I'm able to hit 104Mbs reliably. What gives? This makes no sense to me. I verified I had a 433 Mbs link when on the AC router at work, same as the Samsungs, we were all in the same location I even tried standing where they were and holding the phone differently in-case I was blocking the antenna. I never expected to be able to get 104 down at home standing one room and 30 feet for the router. Is there something weird going on with the app maybe?
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In WiFi advanced settings, disable WiFi optimization - other uses stated it helped them to increase the speeds.
Settings>WiFi>Advanced
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In WiFi advanced settings, disable WiFi optimization - other uses stated it helped them to increase the speeds.
Settings>WiFi>Advanced
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Thanks I read that and tried it to no avail. Speeds were better yesterday at 150Mbs and inline with a coworkers brand new ONE running 4.3. I believe it is just a matter of how HTC deals with packet size (windowing) and not truly indicative of throughput capability. The test runs for a limited time and the throughput increased throughout the entire test. If it ran longer it would climb higher but just how high is the question.
It's a matter of curiosity more than anything as I never need those speeds nor are the repeatable anywhere but in that test"lab" In reality I only have a 100M connection at home and with power boost see speeds of 150 max. I get 100+ reliably (5Ghz N network) to the phone from my main living space and that's nothing to complain about.
I will have to say the range on the ONE is outstanding. My desk is 100 feet from the AP and I was able to obtain 125Mbs reliably from my desk. I didn't have the chance to compare it to the S4 at that distance but I can't complain about that speed.
Here is how I have my home network setup:
Uverse Gateway (Wifi 2.4GHz SSID=2wireXXX, currently off) (NAT/router 192.168.1.X)(6Mbps data plan)(other Uverse TV boxes are connected via coax)
---Netgear R6250 AC (Gigabit) (as Wifi Access Point 2.4GHz SSID=tesla, 5GHz SSID=tesla5g)
------Gigabit Switch (to TV/BluRay/laptop/etc)
~~~~Wifi Devices (lots of android phones/tablets/roku/etc)
---Netgear Arlo Hub (dedicated wifi to 4 cameras)(seems these like to force themselves to same channel as router, makes no sense?)
---SmartThings Hub (Zwave 900MHz)
---AT&T MicroCell (currently off)
I am getting some dropouts in Wifi lately and looking for some help to see if I have everything configured/connected in most efficient way. 2 kids are usually on tablets playing Minecraft/NBAlive/watching Youtube cooking videos Son has been complaining about wifi a lot lately. I don't think it has been too bad, but I also notice spinning icon on ipad title bar near Wifi occasionally. I've been doing speed tests via google, when everything is quiet I get 6-8Mbps. One kid on youtube drops it ~2Gbps. Occasionally when I get that spinning icon, speed test only gets 0.5Mbps for unknown reason. Recently when this happened I jumped on cat5 connected computer and immediately got 7Mbps.... uverse seems okay.
Home is 2 story, wood, with full basement. All of this (except the switch and wifi devices) is in one cabinet at North end of my house, near main living area. Kitchen, Bedroom are on south end of house (which is about 55feet) so get poor coverage there (phone charging area and bedroom Roku have por signal). Obviously moving it all to the middle of house would cover everything better, but don't have a good spot to place everything at middle of main floor. I have a basement with drop ceiling that I could relocate some stuff too but need to pull cat5 and power there, just under first floor decking.
I had the kids tablets and older devices on 2.4GHz and only a few newer/faster/work devices on 5GHz. Moved my son to 5GHz recently, too soon to tell if it helps his issues.
-Do I have too many devices in one cabinet (as far as number of radio transceivers)? Heat doesn't seem to be problem, not sealed and doesn't feel too hot.
-Would it help to move R2650 to middle of house and turn back on the Uverse wifi? Put kids on 2.4GHz. To minimize re-wiring, I'd probably change the devices to this order: Uverse---GigabitSwitch---NetgearR6250; I think this maintains Gigabit speed inside house.
-I also have another even older Netgear 2.4GHz B(or G?) router, should I put this at other end of house all on same SSID? So I could have three 2.4GHz access points which all appear to be same network (?????). Then just have 5GHz for the important devices (my wife and I).
-What are some ways to monitor/debug this??? I'd like an app to see which devices are using most data throughput at any given moment and total per day. Tried Netgear Genie App but it is pretty limited. Is the only way to use router with custom firmware?
Thanks in advance for any advice or pointers to help!!!