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Hi all,
Does anyone know if T-Mobile has debilitated their version of the HTC Touch Diamond, called the MDA Compact IV by removing Wi-Fi, similar to what they did with MDA Compact III and others before that?
Here’s a video of the T-Mobile variant of the HTC Touch Diamond I was talking about above along with the customised (branded) TouchFlo 3D interface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhrnATHTlkQ
It really worries me that they might have removed WiFi from their phone, with their unlimited Web & Walk tariffs now, what possible advantage would they have to do this?
If you look closely at the video above when the person goes into the settings menu, you are able to see under the condensed communications menu it does say WiFi.
But this is a pre-production model so it might not be accurate. Also, I noticed on the home screen there was no WiFi active icon on the title bar, but this might be because it wasn’t turned on.
Finally, if you look at the four buttons, they are reversed when compared with the HTC Diamond, the call and answer are at the top on the MDA Compact IV, whereas they are on the bottom on the HTC Touch Diamond.
Now if T-Mobile, have gone as far as switching the position of the buttons, then they might of also requested that WiFi is disabled. Then again, as it was a pre-production model, the buttons on the production version might be in the same place as the HTC version.
So many questions, and no answers!
Hey guys,
i was wondering off to the Tmobile website(dutch version) and the site says that the compact 4 is coming soon!!
gr. bram
link: Dutch T-mo Compact 4
Thanks bram_smulders,
I noticed that they don’t mention WiFi anywhere, just Web & Walk. Also notice how the buttons are still the other way round when compared to HTC’s OEM version. I hope someone can give me a definitive answer, but at the moment the signs don’t look good!
why no WIFI
imranbashir_uk said:
Thanks bram_smulders,
I noticed that they don’t mention WiFi anywhere, just Web & Walk. Also notice how the buttons are still the other way round when compared to HTC’s OEM version. I hope someone can give me a definitive answer, but at the moment the signs don’t look good!
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With the MDA compac III in NL there was GPS and WIFI on it, so why shouldn't it be on this one.
the uk and probably other places compact 3 has no wifi, wheras the exact same device on o2 in terms of the insides [the orbit 1] has wifi...
imranbashir_uk said:
It really worries me that they might have removed WiFi from their phone, with their unlimited Web & Walk tariffs now, what possible advantage would they have to do this?
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That looks like the whole point to me. If their Web & Walk tariffs are unlimited, and the Touch Diamond has HSDPA, who needs wifi?
Your comment is really quite ignorant.
Wi-Fi has many advantages over 3G and HSDPA in terms of speed, and reliability to name just a few.
Businesses that have WiFi LAN’s and WAN’s setup for sharing their intranet, storage servers, exchange servers, are behind a firewall and cannot be accessed over the internet even using VPN use it with their laptops and mobile devices.
If your device has WiFi and HSDPA then using appropriate software you would be able to make your phone into a mobile WiFi router, and connect a laptop to the internet in an emergency.
At home, WiFi can be used to stream video, audio, share NAS drives, and printers, the list goes on and on.
Additionally, you might live in an area that has no 3G coverage, then you’re stuck with GPRS or nothing, but if you had a wireless router at home, then that’s not a problem.
Finally, if you’re on a legacy tariff or cannot justify the additional £7 per month for Web & Walk as it’s only for occasional use, then WiFi is a free option, assuming you have access to a WiFi network.
Do you want more reasons?
The people at T-Tobile obviously are ignorant.
But your reasons assume and ignore a lot too:
1. Wifi itself may be fast, but broadband internet connections are not necesarily faster than 3G. Ireland is a good example. Where Rory (daredking) lives is also a good example (and that's in London!).
2. If you work for a business that has such high sceurity, that's your problem. Don't get a T-Mobile phone.
3. You can connect a laptop to the internet via your phone with bluetooth too. Personally, I've never seen it done with wifi - bluetooth and USB connections for that are much more common.
4. At home, again, bluetooth and USB can be used for at least most of those things. If your house is too big, why are you getting a T-Mobile phone?
5. If you live in the middle of nowhere, you're more likely to have a bad broadband connection than lack of 3G (at least in the British Isles).
6. Wifi may be free, but it has very limited coverage. Most people don't spend their lives within a few tens of metres of a wireless router.
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The people at T-Tobile obviously are ignorant.
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I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean. To answer the rest of your points:
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1. Wifi itself may be fast, but broadband internet connections are not necesarily faster than 3G. Ireland is a good example. Where Rory (daredking) lives is also a good example (and that's in London!).
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I never said broadband is always faster than 3G I said WiFi is faster that 3G and HSDPA. Never the less in most cases broadband is still faster than 3G, but possibly not HSDPA depending on who your ISP is and what your local exchange supports.
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2. If you work for a business that has such high sceurity, that's your problem. Don't get a T-Mobile phone.
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That’s my point exactly I shouldn’t have to be forced away from T-Mobile or forced to by an unsubsidised phone.
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3. You can connect a laptop to the internet via your phone with bluetooth too. Personally, I've never seen it done with wifi - bluetooth and USB connections for that are much more common.
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Why on earth would you want to connect your laptop over Bluetooth thereby limiting your connection speed to 2Mbps or 1Mbps with 1.0, and limit your range to a few meters. Even that assumes you have Bluetooth on your laptop which may not be the case. To use USB, you got to have your cable with you take out your phone, and have a desk handy to put everything. More info on WiFi to HSDPA router here, once you do it you will never look back at Bluetooth, give it a go! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=341398
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4. At home, again, bluetooth and USB can be used for at least most of those things. If your house is too big, why are you getting a T-Mobile phone?
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LOL I’m not even going to both responding to the comment that if my house is to big I shouldn’t be getting a T-mobile phone! I didn’t know T-mobile was only marketing their phones to people with small houses! All my equipment runs and streams over WiFi, this give me better range, and more bandwidth there is no point or advantage in doing it over Bluetooth.
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5. If you live in the middle of nowhere, you're more likely to have a bad broadband connection than lack of 3G (at least in the British Isles).
6. Wifi may be free, but it has very limited coverage. Most people don't spend their lives within a few tens of metres of a wireless router.
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What’s that got to do with anything? The point I was trying to make is that when available it’s better to use WiFi over 3G. i.e. at home and work I connect over WiFi, anywhere else I use GPRS or 3G.
At the end of the day, it comes down to choice, T-Mobile have chosen to disable WiFi. I and many others who do use WiFi are forced to choose between a subsidised handset from T-Mobile, or moving to a different service provider, or buying an unbranded phone. If T-Mobile didn’t disable the WiFi like O2 and Orange, well then this thread would not exist!
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I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean.
At the end of the day, it comes down to choice, T-Mobile have chosen to disable WiFi. I and many others who do use WiFi are forced to choose between a subsidised handset from T-Mobile, or moving to a different service provider, or buying an unbranded phone. If T-Mobile didn’t disable the WiFi like O2 and Orange, well then this thread would not exist!
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I actually agree with you totally. Having known Mark (Dark Fire) for 7 years, i argue with him every day, but youve got him beat in my view here. im sure hes going to stab me or something now, but anyways, i think youre right.
On a side note, I dont think they have actually disabled it. If anyone can point me somewhere it says they have done, then please do, but i thought this was a thread firstly asking if they would, then slowly moving on to why tmobile are stupid if they disable it, then onto why it doesnt matter if its disabled.
Anyway, like I said, if somebody can show me somewhere it says it is disabled on the diamond, please do
Rory
This could obviously go on for ages. I am not supporting T-Mobile at all - I just said that their flawed reasoning was obvious.
"I’m glad we agree that T-Mobile is wrong to disable WiFi, or at least I think that’s what you mean." - Clearly that's what I mean.
"I never said broadband is always faster than 3G I said WiFi is faster that 3G and HSDPA." - How else is a wireless router going to connect to the internet?
"That’s my point exactly I shouldn’t have to be forced away from T-Mobile or forced to by an unsubsidised phone." - O2 forced me away through their lack of mobile internet. These things happen all of the time. Get used to it.
"Why on earth would you want to connect your laptop over Bluetooth thereby limiting your connection speed to 2Mbps or 1Mbps with 1.0, and limit your range to a few meters." - If you're on your laptop, connecting to the internet via your phone, your phone is obviously going to be within that range. Most servers have such slow connections or are used by so many people that a connection faster than 2Mbps doesn't make a difference (my broadband connection is 13Mbps, and I really don't notice the difference over 2Mbps). BTW, I only have a Touch, so doing wifi stuff with it is a bit pointless.
"I’m not even going to both responding to the comment that if my house is to big I shouldn’t be getting a T-mobile phone!" - You're completely misinterpreting that point, as I knew you would. My point is that most people don't have houses that are so large that the majority of the house is going to be outside bluetooth range - the distances over which I've achieved bluetooth connections have been surprising, and they can also undoubtedly be improved using several techniques.
"The point I was trying to make is that when available it’s better to use WiFi over 3G. i.e. at home and work I connect over WiFi, anywhere else I use GPRS or 3G." - No, you've missed my point again. My point is that, at least in the British Isles (I really don't know about other places), 3G is going to perform better due to lack of good broadband speeds at exchanges and distance from exchanges. As I said before, wifi may be fast, but it's the broadband speed that matters (unless you're accessing the local network, which you will not be most of the time).
Oh, and Rory, you always think I'm beaten, but you know that I kill people on details.
So on these phones that had wifi disabled, was it a hardware modification or just disabled in software?
I know the usual way to disable Wifi through software is to delete calibration and setup data in the WiFi chip. This can be reinstated if you have a path to direct connect to the wifi chip - either through OS or via baseband.
Was any effort made at all to try to enable wifi in those phones?
I don't really know, but from the way people have such strong feelings about it, I'd guess that it's a hardware modification. That does seem a bit extreme, but T-Mobile will have their reasons. Personally, I'd say that wifi disabled through software modification is a good feature - it would certainly provide many more hours of fun than having working wifi to begin with.
it was hardware, much like the disabled gps in the hermes.
disabled wifi by soft would be solved by a rom update
and yes, they tried to fix it [come on, its xda-developers, not xda-users lol]
Rory
Thats interesting, so they probably completly removed the WiFi chip itself.
I guess you could solder a new one in place, but thats alot of work
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35879&d=1174679272
that pic is of a mda compact III, and shows why theres no wifi, its because the antenna is missing...
Hmm, but you would still be able to enable it (after flashing the right rom/bootloader), but would probably get a really weak signal.
But i guess from that its not just the antenna, but the main chip too. It wouldnt be dificult (costly) in production to run a set of boards without that one chip.
exactly, but i think tmob prob lost a lot of custom to o2,seeing as msot palces have all the phone shops [at least here in the uk] so its easy enough to walk down the road to an o2 shop and get the exact same phone but with wifi...
so im saying its not gona have crippled wifi...
ill look around for proof
having looked for proof, i havet found any, but the tmobile netherlands site doesnt say wifi in specs, btu does say hsdpa, bluetooth 3mp cam and 4gb flash memory.
but....... when paul from modaco "stumbled upon the compact 4 specs at the mobile world congress" it had wifi in the specs
so still inconclusive
Rory
I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
Do any networks anywhere even have HSUPA? I'm fairly sure its coming this year on most UK networks, but doesn't the US not even have proper 3G?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311
No HSUPA
When I saw this question, I had a feeling that it was a rumoured spec, and then wasn't in the Diamond, but only in the Touch Pro.
Rory
In Germany we have some networks that offer HSUPA (e.g. T-Mobile, Vodafone).
What about the concurrent usage of HSUPA and HSDPA? I recently saw in the xperia x1 datasheet that concurrent usage of both techniques is possible at reduced speed of HSDPA (down to 3,6 MBit/s).
The question is, how does the diamond deal with this? I still wonder why the feature was disabled at all? I currently own a HTC TyTN and also had to enable HSDPA using some hacks. What I realized is a colossal battery consumption when using HSDPA.
So maybe HSUPA was disabled at the diamond for a good reason? Maybe the battery drain is too huge when HSUPA is turned on?
Unfortunately there is still not much reporting about this feature in the forums.
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
someone1234 said:
I'm really strugling to understand what you could possibly need HSUPA for on a mobile!
What data could you possibly need to upload at such speed? I imagine they disabled HSUPA to save on battery life. There's so very very few applications of it where you would see a difference.
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Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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HKLM\Software\HTC\AdvancedNetwork:
SupportHSUPA <--- set this value to "1", (default values is: "0")
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Cool, thanks for that.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS).
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Which is exactly why I need this device... finally I can get rid of my PCMCIA-Data-Card and even better - change from two contract to one+data option.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
@SecureGSM
Do I have to reboot the device after the registry change? (I currently do not own the device, therefore I have to ask).
If it's easy to switch it on and off just by registry without reboot, then I have no problem with this as the device is charged while connected via USB. But it would not be very nice if I had to reboot the device everytime I connect and disconnect it from my laptop in order to enable or disable HSUPA.
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You may need a soft reset... You will almost certainly need to switch the phone functionality off and on.
foo said:
Please keep in mind that some people (like me) use the device also in connection with a laptop (ICS). Sending a bunch of data from a laptop is not very unlikely.
Surely it might not be essential, but if the device basically supports this feature, I would like to take benefit of it.
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Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
I have designed and VO'd alot of IP, 2G, 2.5G and 3G equipment, so if you have any questions or queries about the technology i am happy to explain.
My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
someone1234 said:
Yes but sending large amounts of data, or 'serving' large amounts of data is only ever usefull when running services. Since networks use private addresses and you have no access obviously to redirect ports, its kind of useless. There are VERY VERY few reasons to use HSUPA, and i'm sure anyone would struggle to justify any of them to me.
Its a cool acronym, but useless in todays network topologies.
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I don't get the point. Just imagine you want to send your friends some nice photos of your last vacation or your new favorite MP3 Song(s). Such a song may have about 5-10 MBytes, which takes 3-4 minutes to be transfered using ordinary UMTS (assuming you get 384 kbit/s upload, which is also not always the case).
Sure, you (or your friend) can wait 3-4 Minutes, but HSUPA does the same in less then a minute. And if you want to send more then one song, then you will be really happy having HSUPA.
Next example: I upload all my photo stuff to flickr. I have some Gigabytes of images stored there already and it is a colossal pain in the ass to upload them. I would even consider using HSUPA for this as with 1,4 MBit/s it's faster then my stationary Internet connection. (1 MBit/s upload)
Next example: Uploading an almost 100 MByte Video to YouTube (I've also done this several times). With UMTS you don't want to do this, at least it will be very annoying to wait until it's done. With HSUPA it's not a big deal.
Next example: Online Photo development - no need to explain the advantage of HSUPA here...
So you see, it's not about running a server, it's just about actively sending data (FTP/SCP Client connections, email with attachments, webform uploads (webspace, flickr, youtube, ...), ...)
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Btw, ICS ontop of the exisiting NAT carried out by the GGSN will cause a myriad of problems with out going source initiated connections.
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Might be, but this is what I do now for almost 2 years with my TyTN already. It's okay for me, I can do VPN with the company I work for, access my home-PC using Remote Desktop Connection, surf the net, send emails, use messengers, receive live TV / music via streaming from my home-PC, use SSH Tunnels to get remote access to my home network, use FTP Client connections.
See, there are a lot of possibilities and that's all I want and that's sufficient for a lot of other people as well.
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My personal view is that enabling HSUPA without a specific need is to your detriment. The power consumption does not justify the minimal increase in upload for typical short packets, even after overhead.
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Well, I might have different requirements then you, but I gave you some examples where it absolutely makes sense to have HSUPA.
Yes you're absolutly right, its is usefull for faster uploads, thats basically what it does!
But like i said its only usefull in very specific scenarios, like you described. For normal usage, web, mail (unless you constantly forward large atachments), MMS its not worth it.
What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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What your describing would probably kill your battery in a few hours anyway.
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The nice thing is that my TyTN and hopefully the Diamond / Touch Pro as well, is charging while connected to the laptop using ICS. So while I'm connected to a laptop I do not care about battery life and when I use the phone in "standalone mode", I don't need HSUPA.
Therefore I would appreciate if it could be easily turned on and off.
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With regards to ICS, you're talking about use the phone as a 'modem', or sharing the phones internet connection with your PC's. This doesnt work the same way as ICS on a pc, its specifically a one to one connection from phone to your PC, so there's no double net. Sorry for the confusion.
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Yes, that's right, but "modem" and ICS is different also when using it on the mobile device:
In Windows Mobile 5 I used a modem application and got the private class A network address from my mobile provider also on the laptop.
In Windows Mobile 6 I use the ICS application and have a new indirection. The laptop get's a private class C address and the mobile device also has the private class A address from the provider.
The provider itself does some additional NAT to translate my private class A address to something valid for the Internet.
e.g.
Provider / Public IP
92.116.25.X (Internet)
10.X.X.X (WAN)
____|______
Mobile Device
10.X.X.X (WAN)
192.168.0.1 ("LAN")
____|_____
Laptop
192.168.0.102 ("LAN")
Sorry for a little bit off topic here.
Saw in above post someone mentioned about Touch Pro & Xperia.
Are they actually same hardware with different clothing. And Xperia uses MicroSD and does not use M2.
Heard somewhere SE engaged some Taiwan company to make M$ Phone.
s1rl4ncel0t said:
Can anyone tell me the difference between the big bright "H" and the dimmed and smaller "H" that shows on the top menu bar?
I guess it has something to do with this matter discussed in this thread, but I'm not sure.
NOTE: I haven't made any tweak to the phone...yet
HastaSSSS
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G = gprs available in area (BTS supports gprs)
E = edge available in area (BTS supports edge)
H = HSDPA available in area (BTS supports HSDPA)
The same letter next to the signal means you're connected using that technology. Same letter with the signal bars changed to arrows means your transfering data using that technology.
Yeah, I know that...
The thing is that sometimes the big "H" becomes just a bit smaller and the white box becomes dimmed...
My first thought would be it shows up when the phone trying to find something...synchronizing, ....
I wish I've taken a screenshot...but it happens randomly...
And then I thought: could it be that the big sharp "H" is when the phone is under HSUPA, and when the "H" is a bit smaller and the box becomes dimmer, than it's under HSDPA?...
Bye
hmm the dimmed one is probabaly a handover.
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I saw on another thread that by default HSUPA is disabled. Does anyone know how to enable this?
Thanks in advance...
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I found it in the registy database, and was now given the option to enable it together with HSDPA.
Simply install a reg editor on your Diamond, search for HSUPA, change Value to 1, and you can now enable HSUPA on your Diamond.
I have not tested if it acually makes ha difference, I don't know how ;-)
Or better still flash your rom to the TLR one and its available in the options ie you can enable it or disable it. SAves having to go through the registry to change the setting.
This might be a silly question, but does anyone know if the G1 will be able to access the web if you live in an area where 3G is not available yet? I live north of Los Angeles (who has 3G) in Bakersfield and we don't have it yet. I am hoping that I was not an idiot to preorder the phone and then not be able to use all the cool web features.
Thanks in advance,
Jamie
it should still work on the EDGE network
From my understanding it will work with GPRS, Edge, and 3g so you shouldn't have any problems bro by the way I understand the concern.
With a 1150ma battery, GPS, "big" screen etc, 3G will just drain the battery even quicker.
I will not worry about 3G until an extended battery is released- and the fact that 3G will not be in my market for a year of so.
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Hey guys i have a htc wing now, and it does not have a gps. It looks like the gps for this phone is one of the main highlights, because it uses it for a lot of applications. Does anyone know what the gps strength will be like? Will it work will in a building, it do i have the be in direct light for like ten minuites to get a signal?
Anyone with a htc device with a gps already, does it work well?
I hear the android is a-gps, so mabye it will have the ability to somewhat work well when in a pocket, or building.....
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Time for a lesson on GPS... It uses satellites in the sky, and you need a view of a certain amount of satellites to find your location (4 will find you but not very accurately, the more the better). If you're in a building, and not right next to a window, no GPS will ever find your location, ever. That's like asking if your internet will work if the ethernet cable is unplugged from the back of your computer and you don't have wifi, it goes against the entire idea of how it functions.
Now, as for the quality of the HTC GPS receiver... People have complained about GPS lag, but I maintain my opinion that it's completely software related, my Fuze had none whatsoever. You don't need to be in sunlight, just have enough clear sky that it can get a reading from the satellites. I've taken trips with the Fuze even on very cloudy days and it took a little longer to get a lock (5-10 mins, it locks in like 30 seconds to a minute with clear skies) but once it had my position, it stayed true. All of the upcoming HTC devices use A-GPS, by the way. Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia, G1...
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WHAAAT? you dont want to use 3g? lol in my opinion thats 50 percent of the phones features.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
The big thing with A-GPS is that it's mainly used to increase the startup speed of your GPS. Instead of waiting 10 minutes to download the almanac of the satellites in the sky from the GPS sats, it downloads the data over your data connection, using the basis of which cell site you're connected to for determining your rough location. This way it only takes about 30 seconds to get a fix instead of much longer.
The sensitivity of the GPS on phones has been fairly good as far as i've seen on devices like the Tilt and such, so I don't see why a phone with such a heavy emphasis on location-based apps would have a sub-par GPS setup. Here's hoping things work well.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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Thanks to one and all!!! I am looking forward to my G1 and retiring my Wing.
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He's using the battery draining as an excuse, something to keep him from pulling his hair out because he won't have 3G for another year. Anyone who's used a phone for data features on both networks knows EDGE doesn't hold a candle to 3G.
As for the original post, yes, it will give you all of the same data features on EDGE as on 3G.
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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3g doesnt burn that much battery unless your using it constantly like as a primary internet for your computer. also when you put your phone in sleep mode it isnt runnig in the background
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Exactly... But when you're without 3G, I guess you try to justify why it's not as good, and that's what he came up with. It's like everything though, people on here try to justify why the iPhone isn't as good as the Diamond/Touch Pro, truth be told it's better in many aspects but comes short in many as well.
3g data transfer?
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
iife_aint_easy said:
ok i currently have the tmo wing.. and i can connect my lappy to the tmo data network via usb port.. will i be able to do this with the g1?yes/no maybe?
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I choose D... all of the above
No... it will not work out of the box.
Yes/maybe... it should work someday soon unless HTC/T-Mobile have somehow disabled that ability in hardware.
As soon as I get the phone I will be working on it on the Linux side (not an actual internet sharing app... more of a route/iptables script) and I am sure someone will work on a java solution (although a kernel solution would be faster). There was an application for the iPhone that provided internet sharing but it was banned from apple store and Google has said they won't do that so I think it should be here soon.
problems with Wireless (3g and wifi)
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
haitiankid4lyf said:
does anybody else have problems with the 3g?
i have tmobile and i didnt select the option for only 2g but my 3g keeps going in and out even when im in the same spot it'll go from 3g to Edge for no reason.
also does anybody have problem conecting to wifi?
i have a linksys wireless n (WRT300N) router, the ssid is visible and uts using wep security but when ever i try to connect to it it says out of range or it just stops trying to connect Please Help
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I have an issue with my G1 WIFI connection. If i broadcast my SSID I connect with no problems. but if i disable the broadcast it will not connect, and this is with me manually putting in the connections into the phone.
I called TMobile but they said i needed to call HTC. they didn't have a solution.
BTW, I have no WEP enabled. I just disable the SSID broadcast.
I just connected to my Linksys router with WPA2 and had 3G running, connected no problem.
Haitiankid: try entering the details of your network manually and seeing if it will connect then. Also, as for the 3G fading in and out, are you in a week signal area for 3G?
wifi working
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
for those of you with the 3g/edge switching problem...
Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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Hey, if uve got the 3g switching to edge back and forth continuously, its likely because you didnt get a new SIM card when u got the g1. It simply means you have an old SIM card that doesnt support 3g well, call tmobile up tell them your situation, theyve given most people a free new SIM card thats more compatible.
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I don't think that's the case. I've had the same SIM card since 2000, no problems like this. If any SIM is too old to support 3G, I'd think one made 8 years ago would definitely be the case.
It sounds like he's in a bad coverage area, which could be lots of things. There is a coverage map on the T-Mo website, don't know if it shows 3G. Or it could be the building he's in. My phones have never worked at my grandmother's house. I get full bars on the front porch, and full bars the second I get out the back door, but no signal in the house itself. Even relatives on other networks get little to no coverage inside the house. Probably the really really old insulation and building materials are blocking the signal. At my last apartment I only had a good signal on the corner of my bed, and that disappeared when new neighbors moved in upstairs.
These are radio waves, which aren't foolproof or perfect, they encounter all kinds of interference. Nothings going to be as secure and consistant as a wired connection. Nature of the beast, unfortunately.
haitiankid4lyf said:
I got my wifi to work. It was my routers fault. What I did was in went into my routers settings by typing 192.168.1.1 and entered 'admin' (no quotes) and no password. Once in my settings I changed my brocasting type from b&g mixed to all mixed changed frequency to auto, changed network key from shared to open and wifi started working. I don't know if all those steps were neccesary but it worked for me. Hope it works for some else.
As for the 3g it seems to be getting better
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Careful dude, with the security set to open anyone within range (neighbors, wardrivers, etc.) can use your wifi to get on the internet. Try using WPA or WPA2 security, but leaving it all mixed and frequency at auto.
I'm not sure if this should be in the general section or in the software section because I'm not really sure what it is.
Anyway, my tethering speed has drastically slowed over the past few days.
I was getting about 28-30 kbs per second during downloads, and now, I'm at a forever slow 2-5 kbs per second.
I've tried resetting my phone and my computer hoping that would do something, but it's still just slowly chugging along.
I even installed a new radio hoping it would do something, but nothing happened.
Any ideas what could be causing this?
Some info would help.......
Who is your provider?
What general area are you in?
Have you checked to see if they are having tower issues ( Other users in your general area having issues too) ?
What kind of signal strength do you have?
What rom/radio are you using?
What spl are you using?
Are you connected via Edge, GRPS, 3G , or HSDPA?
Have you installed any software at all before this all started happening?
pyraxiate said:
Some info would help.......
Who is your provider?
What general area are you in?
Have you checked to see if they are having tower issues ( Other users in your general area having issues too) ?
What kind of signal strength do you have?
What rom/radio are you using?
What spl are you using?
Are you connected via Edge, GRPS, 3G , or HSDPA?
Have you installed any software at all before this all started happening?
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My provider is at&t.
I'm in the Metro-St. Louis area.
I haven't checked if they're having tower issues. I guess I should have done that...
I've got all of my bars, like usual.
My rom is one of the NATF final roms with the hermes 6.1 radio, and before that, I had a niki radio. I updated to the hermes to see if it helped anything.
and in my area, I usually have edge connection.
and no, I havent installed any software.
do u have tethering plan?
if so callup att and tell them. i know they are messing around w/broadband speeds and this might have spilled over to wireless as well.
Do you know how your connected? G,E,3G,H?
In my area, I'm usually connected to edge.
I called at&t and there isn't anything wrong with the towers around me or anything.
Now I'm really confused.
I put on a new rom yesterday, and it's still going super super slow.
gregxdoom said:
I called at&t and there isn't anything wrong with the towers around me or anything.
Now I'm really confused.
I put on a new rom yesterday, and it's still going super super slow.
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Have you tested for the problem in another location? I had a similar problem in the area where I worked on a project recently (about 15 miles from home). At first, everything was fine there. Then for about a week, the data service got so bad I could hardly connect at times. Called AT&T to complain, gave them the location and they told me they had no reports of anything wrong with the towers there, even though everything worked fine for me elsewhere.
Did a hard-reset, cleaned off the phone and didn't re-install anything, and tested it again. Same problem.
After about two weeks, the problem suddenly disappeared. Apparently I wasn't the only one calling in to complain every day.
It's still going mad slow.
I think I just might have to bite the bullet and get a new phone if noone else has any other suggestions.
gregxdoom said:
It's still going mad slow.
I think I just might have to bite the bullet and get a new phone if noone else has any other suggestions.
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What are your connection settings ?
Are you connecting to isp.cingular or wap.cingular ?
Do you have a Pda Plan?
Try deleting all of your settings and putting in this configuration
For both of these make sure the modem is " Cellular Line ( GPRS, 3G ) "
Call this config My ISP
Apn= isp.cingular
User Name = [email protected]
Password = CINGULAR1
Disable the proxy
If that still wont connect
Apn = wap.cingular
User Name = [email protected]
Password = CINGULAR1
Again, make sure the proxy is disabled
Dont select any of the compression settings / ect. Let it stay as default.
Test again and give us your results.
P.S.
The name/password is CASE SENSITIVE so make sure you are using caps exactly as I have for both. ONLY the APN is lower case!
Goodluck and we hope to hear from you soon!
PPS.
Proxy settings are under the tab that says "Proxy Settings"
Make sure you have "This network connectes to the internet" checked and "this network uses a proxy server to connect to the internet" UNCHECKED.
I had problems similar to to this. I would connect and everything seem fine until I tried to download a large file or large amount of data (like a heavy, app-filled website) then my connection speed would drop to near nothing or even completely stall, forcing me to disconnect/reconnect to fix the problem.
In my case it turned out to have something to do with my TCP window size.
I got a copy of TCPoptimizer and started playing with the settings of my laptop, the default setting was about 126000, but I found that I would get the slowdown or stalling with any setting above 40000!
I now have it set to about 26000 and it works great! 1.8 mbs!
I'm not a network guy, but i think that the long latency, fading, shadowing, etc. of the 3G connection was causing the large packet size not to download completely, necessitating duplicate attempts to get the packet.
It would make sense to me that a larger TCP window would mean a faster connection, but in my case this turned out not to be true.
Maybe one of the NT Gurus on here could explain it
So, I would suggest you get TCPoptimizer, or DRTCP and try changing the network settings of your laptop, and then use a registry editor for your Tilt to change the settings there too.
Hope this helps,
SF
I guess it was just the network, because a few days ago, it just started working normally. Thanks to everyone that helped though.
gregxdoom said:
I guess it was just the network, because a few days ago, it just started working normally. Thanks to everyone that helped though.
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Fortunately the issue has been resolved but you never did report back regarding WAP vs ISP. Earlier this month I had a long layover at O'Hare and ran into the same issue - slow, slow, and slow (26 down, up was norm), but that was on 3G, switched to EDGE and it was good to go. Not only was this on my Tilt, but aircard as well. Network issue, not Tilt. Hence why a quick speed test between 3G/EDGE helps answer the question...
At work, we have 2 WIFI networks. ????-WIFI and ????-Guest
I have NEVER connected to -Guest, and nobody here even knows what the password is. It's never used.
Randomly, my phone will disconnect from -WIFI and attempt to connect to -Guest, and it fails authentication every time.
I need to go into network settings and forget the network.
Nobody else has this issue.
This has happened on multiple roms, radios, etc.
Majority of the office runs Android. I'm the only one with a Nexus 6.
It's especially aggravating since I use Tasker to control my phones volume when connected to -WIFI
It's an IT company so we're not unfamiliar with technology. We're all out of ideas!
Anyone able to shed some light on this?
How many access points do you have in the office? Unplug each one, one by one, and see if one of them is broadcasting that signal. How close are you to other buildings or offices similar to yours? Could be receiving signal from near by.
There might be some apps in the play store that will give you signal strength readings so you can try and narrow it down to see the general directions of where it's coming from.
I've ran into that same issue at the company I work with and it does get annoying when you have multiple WiFi networks on your WAPs. This issue occurred more frequently when we had sonicpoints managing our WiFi. But when we switched to Ubiquiti WAPs, I still had the issue, but it was less frequent than a everyday thing. I've been looking online to see what can cause this problem because a lot of the people who work for the company I work with have iPhones and they never have this problem. Unfortunately I'm not entirely sure what could be causing this problem and I'm not sure if it's a issue specific to Lollipop, but hopefully this issue does get solved because it's frustrating and I definitely feel your pain on this...
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How many access points do you have in the office? Unplug each one, one by one, and see if one of them is broadcasting that signal. How close are you to other buildings or offices similar to yours? Could be receiving signal from near by.
There might be some apps in the play store that will give you signal strength readings so you can try and narrow it down to see the general directions of where it's coming from.
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Only one access point, broadcasting 2 SSIDs. It's an Aruba. We are near other offices, but rarely see other networks. Signal is too weak to see them consistently with my phone.
Quick note, both of the SSID's are WPA2, with different keys.
It's our network that this is happening on, just can't figure out WHY it's happening. Doesn't make any sense. I've never even attempted to connect to it.
May be irrelevant but turn off always scan for networks.
I did a full wipe on my phone today, go into WIFI settings, and -Guest had "Saved" under it.
Fresh wipe! Maybe 2 hours on the install. Google Connectivity Services is not installed.