In the latest Titanium Backup update (5/14/11) you now have the ability to convert system apps to user apps, and vice-versa.
I may be completely missing the obvious, but what would the significance of converting one of the apps be?
Thanks
xAndrew225x said:
In the latest Titanium Backup update (5/14/11) you now have the ability to convert system apps to user apps, and vice-versa.
I may be completely missing the obvious, but what would the significance of converting one of the apps be?
Thanks
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Converting from system to a user app frees up space in /system which is limited. TB lists the space left in a graph in the overview.
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Umm... user apps still use space in your system. Everytime you install something from the market it takes up system space. The only thing I can think of, is that usually you can't restore system apps from rom to rom where as user apps can move from different base to different base.
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Umm... user apps still use space in your system. Everytime you install something from the market it takes up system space. The only thing I can think of, is that usually you can't restore system apps from rom to rom where as user apps can move from different base to different base.
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Check your /system space, convert a system app to a user app and then check /system space again - it will be more - at least that is what happens on MY captivate...
Also, you can restore system apps to another ROM - you just can't restore system data if you don't want problems...
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User app still take up space in the system unless you move them to sd. I forgot once you convert them you can do that. Some system apps will not restore right correctly on another rom. I've had spareparts dropped in my system and not restore correctly on another rom. But whatever... doesn't really matter.
this feature should be really helpfull for stock based rom builds, but yeah mainly it'll let you remove them from the system and store them wherever.
a few times i tried restoring stock apps on new roms they wouldn't install, this may be a nice helping hand in that direction.
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Good day everyone, I have a small question which might sound odd to some of you, please note that I am aware of nandroid and titanium backup etc... as i have purchased titanium backup and find it extremely useful i know exactly what it does.
My question is pretty simple, is there an app that one can download and use, which makes a list of all apps installed and can backup that list either online or on the phone or in whatever way possible, and if one has to restore a phone or install a new rom etc.. can restore that list and the app would RE-DOWNLOAD all apps from market. I DON'T WANT TO RESTORE the apps from a backup, i just want an automated system to re-download and install the apps from the market directly. I know this might not make any sense to some/most of you, but the reason is quite simple, I've used titanium backup to make backups of my apps, but once restored some apps FC, and i can't be bothered to go through all apps one by one to check which are good and which need to be re-installed after every recovery I do. I know appbrain can show you what apps are installed, but i couldn't figure out a way to create a shopping list which i can use to re-install all the apps from the market after i do a rom isntall.
Thank you.
Rodi
erm..... as for apps i think there is only Titanium what can do batch restore.
re-downloading all your apps would really take a long time.
CM7 (ROM) does this, but do you really wanna swap ROMs for this reason, i doubt it.
can i just ask, when you use Titanium, are you restoring system data too ?? because this is the reason what causes FC's , i have suffered this before.
when using Titanium, its best to restore app + app data ONLY, system data is data kept from the previous ROM, therefor it causes issues (FC's) with the new ROM.
Yes, appbrain and the fast web installer does that.
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azzledazzle said:
can i just ask, when you use Titanium, are you restoring system data too ?? because this is the reason what causes FC's , i have suffered this before.
when using Titanium, its best to restore app + app data ONLY, system data is data kept from the previous ROM, therefor it causes issues (FC's) with the new ROM.
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For the time it takes, i don't mind, i'll set it on wifi and let it do it's thing, as for the question about app data and system data, well I don't backup system data, and when i restore i only restore apps only not even apps data, then on a 4-5 apps i restore app data.
markdj57: thx for the answer, can you give me a quick rundown on how to do it through appbrain? as i couldn't find a way to make it download the list of apps
Thank you fellas,
Rodi
AppBrain i download and frequently save the apps list .
Click on app and check install likewise on phone open AppBrain and install/Update .
Its not an automated process.
jje
Go to appbrain website and login using your google account.
Install appbrain and fast web installer from android market.
Sync with appbrain website using app.
On new firmware, do a sync. Appbrain detects new firmware so go to website and you will see 2 lists of apps. Copy all apps to new list and delete old list (optional) be careful you don't delete wrong list.
Enable fast web installer app.
Sync appbrain app. Hit the install button and all your apps will install. Sometimes takes a few times if all apps aren't available in market.
For a few days, some of my paid apps were not visible in the market but it sorted itself out eventually.
Hope this helps
Mark
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Thank you, it worked
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Dear community,
today as a first step I have successfully rooted my Phone (Froyo 2.2.1) with CF-Root Kernel and Odin, yay! Thanks to all the Developers, Guides and Refs on this page!!
In order to fix my ongoing battery issues,next thing I want to try is to flash a new ROM; I think for stability and for practice the latest Froyo Build JS8! I have downloaded Titanium Backup and have successfully backed up all my system and user apps and settings.
Now when I flash the new ROM, the phone will be wiped, or at least the Wipe-method is recommended (hard-reset AFTER the flashing?).
Can I restore at least some settings and apps with my Titanium Backup Files (I read restoring system apps/settings is not recommended)?
How would I do that (where does Titanium save the backup files?)
How do you guys usually perform the steps to a new ROM without losing all system settings, apps, app-settings etc...?
Thanks for all recommendations!
I would recomend you, restore user apps only. It will restore your apps and their settings. You could do it in batch mode.
Also is recomended to copy your TitaniumBackup folder to PC
Last but not least, do not forget copy your EFS folder too.
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jellygoos said:
Can I restore at least some settings and apps with my Titanium Backup Files (I read restoring system apps/settings is not recommended)?
How would I do that (where does Titanium save the backup files?)
How do you guys usually perform the steps to a new ROM without losing all system settings, apps, app-settings etc...?
Thanks for all recommendations!
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1) Get titanium backup PRO.
2) Batch backup your whole system (while you're at it, create a schedule so your phone automatically gets backed up at least once/week). The files will go on your sd card in a TitaniumBackup folder (actually you can specify where they go).
3) Go and nuke your phone with whatever.
4) Re-install Titanium backup, then batch restore your USER apps & settings. Leave the system settings alone for now.
5) Okay for system settings, be a bit more selective:
6) Go to Backup/Restore tab, select menu, then filters, then apply a Filter by Type: System.
7) Anything in GREEN is system settings (red=system applications).
8) I typically restore the following: Contacts/Call-logs; SMS/MMS/APN; Bookmarks; SMS/MMS Preferences; Wifi Access Points; Calendar Storage (think that includes your alarm clock settings).
Note that you may need to reboot before you see the restore take effect - e.g. you can't see your restored sms till after reboot.
Also it's safest to grab a copy of your titanium backup folder and put it on your computer. Lookup how to get a copy of your /efs too.
Thanks for the swift answers and useful guides! Will buy the Titanium Pro for sure.
In the Pro Version it says it can convert System Apps into User Apps and vice versa. Couldn't I just convert all the System Apps into User Apps and then restore everything, once on new ROM?
About the freezing feature of the Pro Version: Does it freeze complete Apps, or can you tell them to freeze specific tasks? I noticed that for example some Google Maps or Latitude tasks run in the background (and start again by themselves if i close them manually) and I would like them to get out of the phone memory while I don't have the program running. Yet I want the apps to function properly once I need them.
P.S.: Before I proceed flashing a new ROM I will also look into backing up my /efs folder so thanks for pointing me at this!
Okay, I figured out how to backup the /efs folder via ADB shell.
Questions remain though concerning Titanium Backup Pro. Can someone that uss Titanium Pro help me with these questions?
In the Pro Version it says it can convert System Apps into User Apps and vice versa. Couldn't I just convert all the System Apps into User Apps and then restore everything, once on new ROM?
About the freezing feature of the Pro Version: Does it freeze complete Apps, or can you tell them to freeze specific tasks? I noticed that for example some Google Maps or Latitude tasks run in the background (and start again by themselves if i close them manually) and I would like them to get out of the phone memory while I don't have the program running. Yet I want the apps to function properly once I need them.
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jellygoos said:
In the Pro Version it says it can convert System Apps into User Apps and vice versa. Couldn't I just convert all the System Apps into User Apps and then restore everything, once on new ROM?
About the freezing feature of the Pro Version: Does it freeze complete Apps, or can you tell them to freeze specific tasks? I noticed that for example some Google Maps or Latitude tasks run in the background (and start again by themselves if i close them manually) and I would like them to get out of the phone memory while I don't have the program running. Yet I want the apps to function properly once I need them.
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You could convert it technically. But generally it's not advised as it may mess up settings or so on a different ROM. I backed up my system stuff but I doubt I'll restore it on any ROM, the hassle isn't worth it if any issue shows up and you have to check everything out to fix it. Maybe some individual system thingies can be restored safely but keep in mind lots of system stuff changes on each ROM and could be incompatible.
Just like others did here, I also recommend the PRO version as you have to click every single restoration on a batch restoration otherwise (and it's probably slower anyway).
Freezing means just that, it freezes the app. It "deactivates it", so it's not there/usable but it's not uninstalled. Can't think of a scenario right now where this would be useful except for testing purposes, maybe if an app causes an issue and you want it to be gone temporarily or so.
If you don't want an app to continue running simply use the task manager to kill it which comes along with the SGS (Samsung app afaik, usually pre installed).
Btw Titanium has a nice wiki website which is really helpful but can't link it as a new user here. Google Titanium Backup wiki and the first link should be the correct one.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you do a app+data restore the app doesnt show up in the market under installed which means that any updates to the app wont get rolled out.
What I did was install each of my apps from the market then did only a data restore. This worked for most of my apps BUT last night I noticed a few of my apps missing, in fact launching my angry birds from simi folder caused a FC. BUT I know that angry birds was working earlier in the day.
So I simply went back to the market and reinstalled and all seems well again.
So now I'm wondering what is the best method to restore, my method or maybe do a app+data restore then go to the market and install the app again.
Afaik, normally Titanium also backs up the links for the markets so the entries won't get lost and should be restored as well. There was an issue mentioned which can happen if that data gets corrupted. The Titanium wiki lists it.
Generally, installing the app from the market and then restoring it should work just fine.
Since I read in some threads, that Titanum has a high bricking-risk after upgrading form GB to ICS (resp. CM9) I am curious about more details. For system-apps I understand it to some extend that an GB-version might get in conflict with the ICS-version and then stops. Resp. Titanum overwrites the ICS-system app and therefore ... With regular apps I do not really understand, cause for e.g. games they shouldn't influence the system. And last but not least, Samsung provides as well a migration path, from which I guess that the apps are kept.
But with all of this, I still do not understand, why a reboot into CWM is impossible resp. a restore not. How could Titanum influence that part of the system? Or are there some specific apps which shouldn't be restored? (My restore of Swype in CM9-nightly went well and was reusable - resp. didn't see much effects.) Are there more details about the risks? I curios, cause the generic attention-warnings are little bit toooo generic....
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Since I read in some threads, that Titanum has a high bricking-risk after upgrading form GB to ICS (resp. CM9) I am curious about more details. For system-apps I understand it to some extend that an GB-version might get in conflict with the ICS-version and then stops. Resp. Titanum overwrites the ICS-system app and therefore ... With regular apps I do not really understand, cause for e.g. games they shouldn't influence the system. And last but not least, Samsung provides as well a migration path, from which I guess that the apps are kept.
But with all of this, I still do not understand, why a reboot into CWM is impossible resp. a restore not. How could Titanum influence that part of the system? Or are there some specific apps which shouldn't be restored? (My restore of Swype in CM9-nightly went well and was reusable - resp. didn't see much effects.) Are there more details about the risks? I curios, cause the generic attention-warnings are little bit toooo generic....
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I've been wondering the same thing.. What I did was deleting all backups after flashin cm9(paranoidandroid) then I backed up again only the apps that I manually installed on my new rom so that stock apps for example wouldn't be restored. Now I've restored these apps two times without any problems.
Might be lucky but please if someone here knows if my method is safe please reply!
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I restored my apps with data using titanium, no problems. Just do not restore system apps.
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Semi Newb here, bear with me (came from IOS). Im having trouble with the restore process after I flashed a Rom for the first time (Pure Shamu). Prior to flashing the ROM is was on stock 5.0, unlocked, rooted. The process I went through to flash Pure Shamu.....1. Full Wipe 2. Wipe Cache 3. Flash Pure Shamu 4. Flash GAPPS 5. Flash SuperSU 6. Reboot. After I rebooted, I was asked to enter a password for Android. Upon searching, I found out this was do to the fact I was still encrypted. Wasn't positive how to get unencrypted without flashing a new kernel so I went ahead and flashed Franco Kernel. Everything then booted normally.
This is where I ran into problems with Titanium. I went to the Play Store and downloaded Titanium and proceeded to restore from the backup I created when I was stock. I made a back up of "all user apps + system data" The restore process seemed to go smoothly but once it was complete, hardly any of my apps actually restored. There is a huge list of apps in Titanium that are greyed out and and have a line strike though them. Im really not sure why this is happening. From what I have searched, I guess I can just redownload all of these apps from the PlayStore, but that seems like it defeats the purpose of backing stuff up. There are also items that are listed that aren't apps, ex: "Android System WebView, Android Work Assistant" among many others. I don't know what these do but they must do something since they were backed up.
I feel like Im banging my head against the wall with this whole process of flashing ROMS and restoring everything on the phone. The whole process seems very convoluted and not streamlined at all. I hear about people flashing different ROMS almost daily and it makes me wonder how they have the time. The actual flashing process is quick but this restore process has taken me forever. Maybe Im just doing it all wrong. If anyone could offer some advice, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Atomregen said:
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Can you elaborate on that please? Why should I never restore system apps from TB? How would I prevent them from restoring?
Also what are all these other things that are greyed out that are not apps.
When you restore system apps, it usually comes to problems because the version of this can be different.
To restore user applications only, go to batch and restore all applications and data and uncheck all system apps.
For me there are no other gray things.
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Atomregen said:
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Sorry to drag this topic up again but I had one more question regarding backups. Is titanium also supposed to backup media (music, photos, videos, etc). From what I can see it is only for backing up apps and texts/call logs etc. It also doesn't appear to backup any settings within apps (maybe it should and isn't?).
What is the best way to backup media besides just keeping a copy on my comp and dragging it to device storage?
If anyone can assist me, that would be great. Thanks
(I posted a similar topic here: forum.cyanogenmod.org/topic/116749-launchers-crash-no-matter-what/)
I use various CM versions on my Nook HD+, including the stable 10.2.1, the Unofficial 12.0 and 12.1 versions, and several nightlies. I was just getting more stuff from Google Play when things started crashing. So I rebooted my tablet, hoping to clear up some problems. I choose a launcher, and it says "Unfortunately, Trebuchet has stopped."
I have more than one launcher, so I tried them all. Same type of error. I've flashed different versions of CM in an attempt to clear up the problem, but to no avail. My tablet is pretty much unusable now. I need help! Any suggestions are welcome.
Did you do "wipe /data & factory reset" when going between CM10 and CM12.x?
No, because I haven't made a backup, yet. I have personal data I want to save.
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No, because I haven't made a backup, yet. I have personal data I want to save.
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You need to wipe /data when upgrading or downgrading between major releases of CM.
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I don't mean to question your response, but I am curious - How will wiping my Nook fix the launcher problem? I was hoping for a simpler solution.
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How will wiping my Nook fix the launcher problem?
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The HD+'s /data partition holds the apps -- including launcher apps -- and their data/settings (to see all the apps in the partition, just browse the /data/app folder using a file-manager app that has "root explorer" permission enabled).
Wiping /data forces a clean re-install of the apps and re-initialization of their data/settings which otherwise might be incompatible with the newly flashed ROM version.
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... Wiping /data forces a clean re-install of the apps and re-initialization of their data/settings which otherwise might be incompatible with the newly flashed ROM version.
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I think I know what you're saying, but please clarify: Does wiping /data delete the installed apps, or merely the data they store? If the latter is true, what should I avoid doing if I want to keep my apps? I'm trying to be careful not to get rid of the apps themselves, as I have so many (some are paid apps, and I really don't want to have to pay for them again).
A "wipe" re-formats the partition so the partition's content -- the apps as well as their data/settings -- will effectively disappear.
For all apps (whether free or paid) acquired from Google Play store (and Amazon App store) you should be able to re-download them at no-charge. If you have enabled the "Backup and Restore" option for Google Play store on your current ROM, typically your apps will be automatically re-downloaded to your device after you sign in (to Google Play store) on the new (or newly re-flashed) ROM. However, the apps' personalized settings will not be restored and you will have to re-enter them.
A "wipe" re-formats the partition so the partition's content -- the apps as well as their data/settings -- will effectively disappear. ...The apps' personalized settings will not be restored and you will have to re-enter them.
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Where should I look for personalized settings? I can access CM's file manager via a startup manager, if that helps.
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Where should I look for personalized settings? I can access CM's file manager via a startup manager, if that helps.
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The apps and their data are in their respective individual folders in /data/app folders, but are unlikely stored in user-readable format.
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The apps and their data are in their respective individual folders in /data/app folders, but are unlikely stored in user-readable format.
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I don't care if they're in a format that I can open; I merely want to copy this info elsewhere, so I can restore it when the data is wiped. In fact, I might be able to figure out which app is causing the problem (if it is an app).
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I don't care if they're in a format that I can open; I merely want to copy this info elsewhere, so I can restore it when the data is wiped.
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The simplest way to backup and restore an app and its data/settings is to use a Backup/Restore app such as Titatium Backup.
Ahhh, my first query... I'm getting misty-eyed.