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I'm new to rooting. Just got my moto droid (1) rooted yesterday using superoneclick. Worked Flawlessly. I've installed barnacle wifi teather utilizing my newely establish root 'superuser'.
I've been reading up on custom roms, removing bloatware, ect and am anxious to give it all a go HOWEVER first things first, I need to make a copy/backup of my stock phone's rom right?
I need to be rooted to make a backup right?
Now I've heard about nandroid and titanium back. From what I've gathered titanium backs up all ur apps and there settings to reintall after flashing a new rom,...right? (Since flashin wipes internal memory)
I think, Nandroid is needed for installing new/custom roms and/or reverting back to my stock rom.....nandroid is a program correct?
Am I following this correctly?
Id really appreciate your time to answer my elemenatry questions.
Thanks!
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Basically, nandroid is a disc image.
You can restore your entire OS quite quickly.
Titanium is simply a very good program for backing up your apps along with data so all your settings are saved.
Restoring with titanium can take a long time though since each app gets installed one by one - and that's when it is working properly. For me, it just keeps closing itself after restoring a singe app.
I haven't seen it recommended but I HIGHLY recommend SuperManager for for backing up and restoring. It doesn't ask any questions. It just puts all your stuff back and it doesn't crash.
So I use SM for restoring the whole shot, and Titanium when I'm being more selective.
if you use nandroid to backup then after you have flashed your new ROM then you can put the nandroid files in the sd/openrecovery/nandroid/ folder, boot into open recovery and pick the nandroid files to install.
I got super manager and backed up my apps to sd card.
Next I got rom manager...now my problem is I cannot get rom manager to back up my stock rom. Flashed the clockworkmod via rom manager and tried booting into recovery,..I only get stock recovery.
Went back into rom manager and flashed the alternative recovery SPRecovery, still no luck booting into an aftermarket recovery.
What the heck am I doing wrong?
Thanks in advance.
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I haven't gotten ROM Manager to work consistently, but I find that after a few attempts at booting into Clockwork Recovery, it'll eventually go through. Maybe someone can point out a way to make the process take less time.
Got up this morning and thought id try again.
Flashed the clockwork recovery then instantly hit reboot in recovery and voila!! It worked! Weird tho. Made my first nandroid.
Does anyone have a suggestion on what rom to give a try for a motorola droid (1)?
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kmcgill88 said:
Got up this morning and thought id try again.
Flashed the clockwork recovery then instantly hit reboot in recovery and voila!! It worked! Weird tho. Made my first nandroid.
Does anyone have a suggestion on what rom to give a try for a motorola droid (1)?
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If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
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If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
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I've heard the CM name around a lot. When I go into rom manager I see the CM 6 but I'm still lil nervous to give it a shot. This is my only phone. Soo,....maybe a few more tutorials to review the process once more..just cuz
Now when I flash, say, CM6 I don't need to worry about root or superuser permission anymore do I?
Also what apps, if any, will be pre installed with CM6? (I have backed up my apps with super manager)
I really appreciate everyones help! THANK YOU!
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Since you did a nandroid, you have very little to worry about.
But, just to be super safe, you can copy the nandroid to your computer.
If anything goes wrong, you have an instant restore handy.
About Super Manager - I forgot to mention that to save all your user data along with your apps and to also have a quick restore process, back up using the smbk option.
When you flash CM6, you will stay rooted and be overclocked to 900 mhz.
There is no bloat installed with CM6 but all the essentials are there.
I don't know anything about ROM Manager stuff because I can't use it on my Milestone.
vladstercr said:
If you want 2.2 you should try CM6 or Froyomod 2.5.0
If you want 2.3 you should try Shadowmodbrv.2.3.2 build 3. It's the fastest rom i've tried so far....or CM7 which works quite good.
On all of these roms the battery life is really good...Many people say that their battery life sucks with custom roms but actually they havent had their battery status calibrated correctly. For example, the battery percentage shows 30%, when actually it has 60%.
Search on the forums about calibrating yours if you want...
Hope I've been helpful...
Cheers, vladstercr!
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is this the shadwmod you're referring to? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=939555
will this work for the droid 1 (as long as i flash the proper baseband)? i've tried a fair # of gb builds but not this one and wanna give it a shot. thanks
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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skribzy said:
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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nandroid is only useful for a FULL restore of your entire phone's state. it backs up everything in IMG format, and then re-flashes it *in whole* in the event of a restore. so, short answer, no... you can't restore bits and pieces from a nandroid backup.
HOWEVER, Titanium Backup is my app of choice for backing up applications and app data (because no one should have to start over at angry birds!). The donate/Pro app is TOTALLY worth the few bucks, and it's very easy to use.
To use Titanium Backup: download from market (i really suggest the Pro version), click "Batch" then "backup user apps". When you start fresh with a new ROM, cancel all your active downloads, re-download Titanium Backup from the market and select batch>restore missing apps + app data. This way you restore the data associated with your apps, but not a previous ROMs system data. If you are unable to cancel your downloads, there is also a batch method to uninstall all backed up apps, that way you can make sure that you install your backup and not a "fresh" copy from the market.
A quick note about angry birds using Titanium Backup on GB -- with most GB ROMs, Angry Birds will install by default to the sdcard. They, however, will not run on the sdcard. As soon as you've done a restore using Titanium, just go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications, and click Angry Birds and select "Move to Phone". Then you should be good
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nandroid is only useful for a FULL restore of your entire phone's state. it backs up everything in IMG format, and then re-flashes it *in whole* in the event of a restore. so, short answer, no... you can't restore bits and pieces from a nandroid backup.
HOWEVER, Titanium Backup is my app of choice for backing up applications and app data (because no one should have to start over at angry birds!). The donate/Pro app is TOTALLY worth the few bucks, and it's very easy to use.
To use Titanium Backup: download from market (i really suggest the Pro version), click "Batch" then "backup user apps". When you start fresh with a new ROM, cancel all your active downloads, re-download Titanium Backup from the market and select batch>restore missing apps + app data. This way you restore the data associated with your apps, but not a previous ROMs system data. If you are unable to cancel your downloads, there is also a batch method to uninstall all backed up apps, that way you can make sure that you install your backup and not a "fresh" copy from the market.
A quick note about angry birds using Titanium Backup on GB -- with most GB ROMs, Angry Birds will install by default to the sdcard. They, however, will not run on the sdcard. As soon as you've done a restore using Titanium, just go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications, and click Angry Birds and select "Move to Phone". Then you should be good
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thanks very much for such useful advice!
skribzy said:
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
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I have found that TitaniumPro doesn't always restore setting properly. Sometimes you have to go into the individual app and do a manual restore. I am not sure why this is, but just FYI.
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I have found that TitaniumPro doesn't always restore setting properly. Sometimes you have to go into the individual app and do a manual restore. I am not sure why this is, but just FYI.
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titanium CAN restore system settings / apps, but it's a little bit of a different process to make sure that you don't restore a previous ROM's data, which can cause some pretty serious instabilities if done improperly.
here are some How-Tos for using Titanium Backup: http://www.moddedlogic.com/pe/howto.php
these methods are a little more advanced, and if done improperly can cause instability. these methods can be used in conjunction with restoring "missing apps + app data" like i mentioned above.
skribzy said:
I've had a few questions about nandroid. So far I do a full back up so I can revert if a new ROM is playing up. If I decide to stick with a new ROM, can I just restore elements of that full backup to get my data (I.e. texts, call logs and apps) back? Or is it all or nothing?
At the moment I just put up with starting fresh but it would be helpful to retain some of that data. (I'm getting bored starting angry birds over and over again!)
Cheers
S
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Its neither. Its both. You can't pluck ur call log txt ect data from a nandroid to my knowledge.
I'm new to this but I have the understanding a nandroid is a snapshot of EXACTLY everything you have on your phone, including txt, call log,ect. So as I'm sure you've read its always suggested to creat a nandroid of your original rom before installing a custom rom. Then u can go back in time if need be.
As for restoring your data after installing a new rom you need to backup your apps, I used super manager via smbk file, once you install the new rom go to market (or its pry saved in sd still) reinstall super manager and use the restore button to reinstall all your apps in one fell swoop.
Contacts, calendar, and email r on the google cloud so that will auto resync once u sign into your phone. I still lost my txt, call log, ect but I didn't care about that.
Now that u have your apps back and get a few settings confgured i decided to make a nandroid of my newly installed Rom just in case I F something up and can't figure out how to g back. With the new nandroid created I can revert back to my stock rom or modded rom annd all apps & data will be exactly how I left it.
Hope that helps.
Anyone plz feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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Its neither. Its both. You can't pluck ur call log txt ect data from a nandroid to my knowledge.
I'm new to this but I have the understanding a nandroid is a snapshot of EXACTLY everything you have on your phone, including txt, call log,ect. So as I'm sure you've read its always suggested to creat a nandroid of your original rom before installing a custom rom. Then u can go back in time if need be.
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It's *possible* but not easy. Nandroid is a **disk image** (.img file) backup, not a file-by-file backup/file dump. While it's *possible* to dissect it and flash bits and pieces, it would be quite advanced since it would have to be flashed using adb or a terminal emulator ...and even then i'm not sure it would actually work without running the full binary scripts from the recovery restore processes. And even if you did get the binaries to run and flash the .img files to the right places, you would run the possibility that the old data would be incompatible with your current ROM / system.
You can unpack the img file in linux if you know how and push pieces of it using adb shell, but that's still sort of going out of your way for something relatively simple. To unpack an .img file in linux:
# Make a directory where you want the file mounted:
sudo mkdir /image
# Then mount the image on the directory:
sudo mount -o loop /path/to/file.img /image
# Then you could open the directory with nautilus:
nautilus /image
# When you're done, unmount the img:
sudo unmount /image
Nandroid is a backup of a STATE of your phone, not pieces. To backup apps and data, just use a program, there are a bunch out there. You can also do as I do and pull /system and /data from your phone and backup to your computer. You will need the android sdk though. Just connect via USB and make sure USB Debugging is enabled (settings>applications>development) and run in terminal:
cd [android sdk directory/platform-tools/]
adb devices
(make sure your device shows up)
adb pull /system [local directory]
adb pull /data [local directory]
voila. you now have copies of your /data and /system folders on your computer. you can even do your whole internal storage if you want and can create the proper permissions. however, as a caveat, these will not restore a broken system to stable state like a nandroid will, it's pretty much just for restoring individual apps if you lose them or delete something.
bottom line: nandroid is great for what it's intended for. outside of that, there are reasons why there are backup tools / apps for backing up pieces of your ROM. use them each for what they're intended and you'll be good. nandroid backup/restore is like 3 clicks. same for app restore programs. use the appropriate tools for the appropriate jobs and you'll be juuuuust fine.
EDIT: it's also possible to do an advanced nandroid restore of a certain partition, but it's *highly* advisable not to in almost all circumstances. it will most likely screw up more stuff than it fixes. it's really only helpful if the backup and your current ROM are the exact same.
for instance, if I have a nandroid backup of CM6, and i screw something up in my /data folder, and i'm still running the same version of CM6, then i could advanced nandroid my /data partition back in recovery. outside of that, it's pretty much useless and would do more harm than good.
Hi
I'm sorry to jump in in the discussion like this but reading this discussion confused me a little regarding a possible usage of a nandroid backup.
Given the fact that this type of backup is a full image of the system, can I transfer this backup on another motorola droid and restore it also on there? Or each nandroid is associated to a specific phone (even if the model is the same)?
Thank you so much!
No a nandroid wouldn't necessarily be phone specific.
But it would be OS specific.
There would likely be problems if you restored a CM6 rom (froyo) on a phone that still has eclair on it.
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No a nandroid wouldn't necessarily be phone specific.
But it would be OS specific.
There would likely be problems if you restored a CM6 rom (froyo) on a phone that still has eclair on it.
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it's not necessarily "phone" specific, but it is *device* specific. you wouldn't be able to use a Droid nandroid on a Droid X, for instance. The md5 sum check would fail.
so yes, you would be able to restore a nandroid restore on a backup that you manually moved onto another phone, as long as the device was the same (moto droid to moto droid).
Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!
derek4484 said:
Hello,
I've been running Perception 10.1 for quite a while now. There's really nothing wrong with it, I guess I'm just bored. I'm thinking about putting CM7 on my phone.
Everytime I've changed ROMs in the past I've tried to do a NAND backup with Rom Manager and everytime I install the new ROM on there and then I do a NAND restore, none of the apps come over with it and I usually have problems and crashes. So, to me, CWM is basically worthless. I have made tons of backups and not one single one of them restored without errors and crashes. Worst program ever.
So, now I have bought the Pro version of Titanium Backup. I'd like to do a full backup so that way when I finish the flashing process to get my new ROM on there, I can just use that to restore all my apps and settings. I'd hate to have to go and download all my apps all over again, I have over 100 on there now.
What type of backup should I do with Titanium Backup so that migrating to a new ROM and restoring is as seamless as possible?
Thanks!
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Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.
BWolf56 said:
Go on Backup & restore, open the menu and select batch.
Run: Backup all user apps + system data.
Once you restore although, don't restore system data as it will mess up with your new ROM.
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Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.
if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps. not all system data is compatible between different frameworks and options
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.
derek4484 said:
Ok, thanks. Let me ask you a question then... You say to run the batch backup all user apps + system data, but only run the restore user apps. Why? Is there a difference between doing it your way, and just running the batch backup user apps, then doing the batch restore user apps? What is the purpose of backing up system data, if its not going to be restored? Just curious why to backup the system data if not restoring it. I think I have read somewhere else to not restore the system data on the new ROM cause it'll cheese it up.
Titanium Backup seems like a powerful program, although I havent been able to find any user manual or really anywhere that details what all the options do.
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Simply cause you want a full backup if u ever wanna go back to a certain ROM. Also, doing a full backup is safer, the program won't miss anything and when you restore your apps, you can restore your apps's data (which I personnaly love).
You don't have to backup your system data, I simply suggest it as you never know if you'll change your mind
I think backing up system data is just a precaution in case something goes wrong.
Trusselo said:
if going between different roms dont do all system data only the green ones and user apps.
create a label for "my sys data" and assign the green ones to it.
make sure to have tibu backup its settings as well in the settings menu.
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Trusselo, you're being too helpful lol - everywhere I try to help some1, you're right there doing so too
Love to see ppl with experience still helping the newbie with patience
Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.
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Just back up user apps and data (also dialer storage for texts).
I never make full backups of my rom. Just Tibu backups for apps.
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@ OP - I believe it's up to you. Full backup is safer if something goes wrong but not necessary as mentionned by others. I do it cause I can
The only thing to remember, if that's what you decide to do, is to not restore system data if you flash a different ROM.
Ok, I got it. Thanks to you all.
For future reference, a NAND backup in CWM is not worthless, you are just using it wrong.
It is not meant to restore apps/data it is a complete image of your phone as it was when you took the backup. it is designed so that you can jump between roms easily by just restoring nandroids of your setups. it is not and dont think it was ever designed to 'restore apps' but restore the entire system. your problems before with it were likely because you were trying to go between 2.1 and 2.2 roms? a nandroid does not backup the kernel or modem so it makes it a little difficult to bounce between 2.1/2.2 etc there are ways, but its just easier to start fresh and restore a Titanium backup batch job
regarding Tibu and nandroid.
Full system / everything backup is good for backing up your system AS IS if you are going to mess around with what you have or try a rom for a few hours but want to go back to exactly how it was.
thats why the green ones are green in tibu its the bare minimum that will work across all roms.
@Bwolf56 - ya im on here alot. just finishing coming off comp for nearly taking my thumb right off.
i try to help. but get into crap often... still try to help regardless!
Something I've learned from flashing you can NEVER have too many backups.
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In the latest Titanium Backup update (5/14/11) you now have the ability to convert system apps to user apps, and vice-versa.
I may be completely missing the obvious, but what would the significance of converting one of the apps be?
Thanks
xAndrew225x said:
In the latest Titanium Backup update (5/14/11) you now have the ability to convert system apps to user apps, and vice-versa.
I may be completely missing the obvious, but what would the significance of converting one of the apps be?
Thanks
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Converting from system to a user app frees up space in /system which is limited. TB lists the space left in a graph in the overview.
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Umm... user apps still use space in your system. Everytime you install something from the market it takes up system space. The only thing I can think of, is that usually you can't restore system apps from rom to rom where as user apps can move from different base to different base.
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Umm... user apps still use space in your system. Everytime you install something from the market it takes up system space. The only thing I can think of, is that usually you can't restore system apps from rom to rom where as user apps can move from different base to different base.
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Check your /system space, convert a system app to a user app and then check /system space again - it will be more - at least that is what happens on MY captivate...
Also, you can restore system apps to another ROM - you just can't restore system data if you don't want problems...
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User app still take up space in the system unless you move them to sd. I forgot once you convert them you can do that. Some system apps will not restore right correctly on another rom. I've had spareparts dropped in my system and not restore correctly on another rom. But whatever... doesn't really matter.
this feature should be really helpfull for stock based rom builds, but yeah mainly it'll let you remove them from the system and store them wherever.
a few times i tried restoring stock apps on new roms they wouldn't install, this may be a nice helping hand in that direction.
As the tittle says. I would like some help on getting started with CM9. I haven't done anything all to my touchpad since I got it months ago.
What are some of the bugs CM9 brings along with it? My touchpad is mainly a fun device so I don't mind things not working 100%.
I would like some help on getting started with CM9.
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OK, what exactly do you need help with?
What are some of the bugs CM9 brings along with it?
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All the bugs are listed in the ROM thread. Hardware acceleration still isn't perfect yet. Audio from the speakers and headphones is still a mess. Camera doesn't work. Wifi is still buggy with some devices.
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OK, what exactly do you need help with?
All the bugs are listed in the ROM thread. Hardware acceleration still isn't perfect yet. Audio from the speakers and headphones is still a mess. Camera doesn't work. Wifi is still buggy with some devices.
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Well that makes it sound shoddy, CM9 is perfectly usable, in fact its great, gaming, music and playing HD videos all work great for me, also I've never had any wifi problems.
I would read the CM9 install guide on rootzwiki very carefully and go for it.
Well that makes it sound shoddy, CM9 is perfectly usable, in fact its great, gaming, music and playing HD videos all work great for me, also I've never had any wifi problems.
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Yea I did make it sound kinda bad. For me, cm9 is running perfectly on my TP, minus the audio and camera. The video acceleration has only locked up on me once in a month of use, and I haven't had the wifi problem that some people have. The biggest bug for me is the audio, I would love to be able to listen to music with the screen off to save battery.
So audio works for movies? Thinking of giving it a try later on today.
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jep audio in movies is working fine
and also for me this rom is perfectably useabel, never had wifi problems and mostly everything else also works like a charm, so give it a try i doubt you regred it^^
this sounds silly coming from someone who has CM7 3.5 installed already... but what is Titanium backup?? I don't understand if it's something I have to download, or if it's built in to something? I understand that in order to install CM9 over CM7, that I should have no problems... but that I should back up first. I can do a back up with Clockwork Mod first, then I'm supposed to do a back up of my app's with Titanium ( I read this somewhere). Is this true?
Also, If I have the CM9 zip on my Touchpad already, do I still have to install it by connecting it to my Mac or PC using ACMEINstaller2? If I can update it without having to do that, and it's a better way, then I'm all for it.
I'm also not sure about the gapps files. I gather I'm supposed to update those after I'm done installing CM9 right? I noticed that at one time, someone said to grab the 20120215 one, but now I see there is a 20120301 that is released. Are the most recent releases complete updates to the previous gapps, or do they only include certain apps? In other words, to stay current, do I need to always check for new gapps releases and install them as they come out?
Thanks!
J
but what is Titanium backup??
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It's an app for rooted devices that lets you backup and restore apps, most commonly used for when you switch roms. Yes, you have to download it.
I understand that in order to install CM9 over CM7, that I should have no problems... but that I should back up first. I can do a back up with Clockwork Mod first, then I'm supposed to do a back up of my app's with Titanium ( I read this somewhere). Is this true?
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Titanium backup and Nandroid backups (backups made in CWM) are completely different. Titanium will backup your apps and their settings/save data. For example, if you have Angry Birds, Titanium will also backup the app's data, so your game saves/progess will still be there when you restore it. A nandroid backup is a complete system backup, i.e. an exact copy of your entire system (rom, apps, etc). When switching roms, you should always do BOTH. Do a nandroid just in case the rom doesnt flash properly or something, and backup apps with titanium to save your app data and to make it easier to restore all your apps at once when you get the new rom running.
Also, If I have the CM9 zip on my Touchpad already, do I still have to install it by connecting it to my Mac or PC using ACMEINstaller2? If I can update it without having to do that, and it's a better way, then I'm all for it.
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You can, however I would recommend just flashing in clockworkmod. Backup your apps with Titanium, boot into recovery, make a Nandroid backup, wipe cache/dalvik/data, then flash the rom zip file.
I'm also not sure about the gapps files. I gather I'm supposed to update those after I'm done installing CM9 right?
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Before flashing, put the gapps zip (make sure its the one for cm9 and not for cm7) in the same folder as the rom zip. After following the above instructions and flashing the rom, then you flash the gapps zip, and then reboot, and the rom should load with all the gapps in there
Are the most recent releases complete updates to the previous gapps, or do they only include certain apps?
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I believe the gapps only gives you maps, gmail, and the market. Any other apps like google search, google books, etc, can be downloaded from the market after you get the rom running.
In other words, to stay current, do I need to always check for new gapps releases and install them as they come out?
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No, once you get everything running, the google apps like gmail and maps will be updated through the Market (I guess it's called the Play Store now) like normal. The reason you have to flash the gapps file after flashing the rom, is apps like the market have to be installed as a system app, and that can only be done through flashing with clockwork. After that, everything will update as normal through the Play Store.
Thanks for the info. In doing more research I figured out that I already have an application like Titanium called Astro File Manager. I did a back up with that. I'm sure it's the same thing.
I made a directory called cminstall at mnt/sdcard/ and put the CM9 and Gapps zips in that folder. Should I do that? Or should I leave them in the mnt/sdcard directory? there are some rogue files in that directory, but mostly it contains all of my folders for both WebOS and Andriod.
Sounds like I'm all set then. Just to be clear, I flash the new Rom by browsing to it from within Clockwork Mod?
Thanks!!
Jason
Whatever guide you're following, to me the 2 most important points are always:
1: make a nandroid backup of what you have right now so you can go back to it if you mess something up.
2: Wipe before flashing a new ROM
Both of which should be available from within your recovery..
Also.. while not being mandatory.. checking the checksum of the files you're about to flash can't hurt either..
TitBackup or other app backup tool is useful to restore your apps.. once you boot into your fresh new ROM, but it's *not* a substitute to a nandroid backup in case something goes wrong...
Enjoy
I just realized that I did a "nandriod" backup yesterday and didn't realize that it was a "nandriod" backup! So, now that i know what it is... well... I just know! LOL.
Although, it just errored out and told me to look at the log file. I could have ran out of room. I just tried to read the log file, and I'm not sure what program to open it with? CM Recovery?
And that "wiping" is running the "cache/dalvik/data" thing right? And when it says "wipe", does that mean literally "ERASES EVERYTHING" except of course my WebOS stuff.
Wiping sure sounds scary to me... that's like "losing everything", then messing with having to reinstall it all. All my ebooks that I've converted, etc. Or is that not correct? Essentially, if I do this and my tablet reboots with CM9 on it, will I be looking at what I had before but with CM9 running, or will I have a blank slate i.e. no files, no games/apps, etc. And from there, do I bring my app's back in through a recovery, or do I have to redownload them again?
I'm sorry, but I'm so new to this. Once I get it down, I won't be so nervous about it.
J
Question... Should CM7 or 9 be mixed in with my WebOS files? That always drove me nuts that they were all mixed together. It's hard to keep track of what's what. Those stray files in the root of my directory are all WebOS files. THings I've saved, etc.
Is there not a way to have a folder that contains ONLY the Android OS? Or does it all have to be in mnt/sdcard like it is now for me? Probl not. It all has to go on the root.
EDIT: However, I did notice that there is an "internal" storage of 1gig, and SD Card storage with about 11gigs total. So a 16gig unit in reality is about 12.5gigs. I only have 1.5gigs of space left on my "SD Card".
I wonder why some of my Android apps are in the "internal" storage section and the rest are on the SD card? Shouldn't JUST WebOS stuff be on the internal partition? I'm asking because if I'm going to install CM9, if there is a better way for me to do this, then now would be the time to know!
Thanks!
Jason
boy, I was literally minutes away from pulling the trigger on CM9 when I decided that I had better double check what version of gapps I had. I have "gapps-ICS-20120215". I think that's the right one?
Anyway, over in the CM forum, there are people posting up a storm that they are having rampant reboot issues and are totally stumped as to what is causing it. There could be tons more NOT having the issue too though, so it's hard to say.
Sitlet:
If installing gapps is a once and done process, why do they keep releasing newer gapps files? I was under the impression that it was because only certain apps could run on CM7, and the gapp files being updated were somehow linked to that?
Maybe as apps are updated, they release new gapps for people just now Rooting, so they can have the latest versions of the google apps when they are finished with the ROM update?
Either way, I'm now seriously reconsidering the idea of updating until I get a firm "go for it" from someone. The LAST thing I need is a constant reboot problem.
One more thing... regarding CM7 2.5... in the ADW Launcher section it indicates that I can maybe update themes to something else. is this true? If so, what type of theme/launcher does CM7 3.5 use? There are several different types. I tried this once before and really screwed my OS up. I was very lucky to recover from it.
The gapps file I use on ICS CM9:
http://goo-inside.me/gapps
Latest is 2012-03-04 but yours wouldn't be bad, assuming its just an older version of the ICS gapps and not for GB/CM7
Wiping then flashing a ROM will overwrite /system /data /cache
Thus not including Pictures, books, etc that are stored on the SDcard..
I also assumed you were already on CM7? And have working CWM recovery?
Nandroid backup/restore is from your recovery indeed.
A successful nandroid backup would allow you to restore your current Android ROM to the exact condition that it was when you backed it up.
So even if your new install ends up having reboot issues in say a week, restoring the nandroid backup made today will get you back to exactly what you had today.
(I have nandroid bckups of CM9 and the original stock on my phone and could switch between the two by restoring the appropriate one.)
I have done this process several times on diff. phones but don't have a TouchPad atm, so maybe someone who has can pitch in for the WebOS files part.
EDIT: sitlet's post from March 13th pretty much sums it all up already
yes, I'm running CM7 3.5, and I have done a complete backup both system and apps. I'm literally ready to install CM9 right now, but I need to maybe update my gapps to the one you have. That's all.
Ok... so you clarified the answer to my question. things are so routine w/ you experienced guys, that subtle details get left out when generalizing to the noobs. Which is to say that when you do a complete backup, it backs up the system to LITERALLY what it is at the time of backup. CM7 3.5 with all the apps I'm running, pictures, documents, etc.
So if I then install CM9 and tweak it how I want it, run into problems, do a complete backup, then RESTORE CM7 3.5 from the file, it will return to that state.
Are you saying that no matter what ROM you install, or what backup your restore, that all of your "user files" are always untouched? So, whatever pictures I have taken or whatever while using CM9, after I do a full back up and install say CM7 or something else, those things will remain? So I don't ever have to worry about losing a precious picture or file??
It's all starting to click believe it or not. I'm just trying to get it all sorted out in my mind! THank you so much!
j
For "user files" it depends where they are. Anything in /sdcard should be safe unless there's something else going on for WebOS devices.
Also.. any file picture or not .. saved in /system or /data wouldn't be safe after flashing.. but would also be in a nandroid backup..
And restoring a nandroid of your system won't restore pictures on sdcard if you happen to delete them yourself.
EDIT: Not sure if I'm making any sense..
restoring a nandroid, Wiping, Flashing ROMs, etc won't touch stuff on /sdcard
But these files won't be included in a nandroid backup either..
When you nandroid backup.. the backup file is actually usually saved TO the sdcard..
I figured out that I already have an application like Titanium called Astro File Manager. I did a back up with that. I'm sure it's the same thing.
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It's not. Astro will only backup the apk file for the app, and only if the app isn't protected. Titanium will backup the app, it's data, market link, etc., and will do it for any app, including system apps.
And that "wiping" is running the "cache/dalvik/data" thing right? And when it says "wipe", does that mean literally "ERASES EVERYTHING" except of course my WebOS stuff.
Wiping sure sounds scary to me... that's like "losing everything", then messing with having to reinstall it all. All my ebooks that I've converted, etc. Or is that not correct?
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Wiping cache/data/dalvik will not touch anything on the "sd card". And if you are worried about losing things, that's why you do a nandroid backup and backup apps with Titanium first.
Essentially, if I do this and my tablet reboots with CM9 on it, will I be looking at what I had before but with CM9 running, or will I have a blank slate i.e. no files, no games/apps, etc. And from there, do I bring my app's back in through a recovery, or do I have to redownload them again?
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You will have a fresh install, i.e. no extra apps on it. That's the whole point of wiping the "data" in clockwork. You CAN flash a rom without wiping the data, and all of your apps will still be there, but that is NOT recommended, especially when flashing a completely new rom like cm9. Just backup apps with Titanium, make a nandroid, then wipe everything.
Question... Should CM7 or 9 be mixed in with my WebOS files? That always drove me nuts that they were all mixed together. It's hard to keep track of what's what. Those stray files in the root of my directory are all WebOS files. THings I've saved, etc.
Is there not a way to have a folder that contains ONLY the Android OS?
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This is how it is with the TP. Most android phones/tablets will have an internal memory AND an external SD card, thus being able to separate OS from other data. Since the TP only has one memory, and you are trying to run two OS's, this is the only way to do it.
EDIT: However, I did notice that there is an "internal" storage of 1gig, and SD Card storage with about 11gigs total. So a 16gig unit in reality is about 12.5gigs. I only have 1.5gigs of space left on my "SD Card".
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It's all the same memory, just partitioned differently. And the 16gb of space is actually about 14gb due to blocking in the first place, and the WebOS takes about 2 gb to begin with.
I wonder why some of my Android apps are in the "internal" storage section and the rest are on the SD card? Shouldn't JUST WebOS stuff be on the internal partition?
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Again, your TP ONLY has one 16gb block of memory, where most devices have more than one. It is partitioned to let the android OS think there is a separate internal and external memory, which is how it has to be for android to run. You can move apps to the sd card by going to settings-applications, however, with the TP, again, its the same memory, so you really aren't moving it.
Sitlet:
If installing gapps is a once and done process, why do they keep releasing newer gapps files? I was under the impression that it was because only certain apps could run on CM7, and the gapp files being updated were somehow linked to that?
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The apps like gmail, maps, etc, all get updated regularly though the Market. Thus, once one gets updated, someone will update the gapps zip with the newer version. The reason you HAVE to flash it the first time, is because some of the apps are system apps, and flashing is the ONLY way to get them to work properly. Once they are on your system and installed, you can update regularly through the market. It doesn't matter if you flash an outdated gapps zip, as long as it is one for ICS cm9, and not GB cm7. If the apps are outdated when you flash them, the market should let you update them after your tablet runs for a few minutes and realizes the apps are outdated.
The LAST thing I need is a constant reboot problem.
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As long as you stick with Alpha 2, and NOT the nightlies, you should be fine. I haven't had one reboot in over a month.
Which is to say that when you do a complete backup, it backs up the system to LITERALLY what it is at the time of backup. CM7 3.5 with all the apps I'm running, pictures, documents, etc.
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Again, as I explained earlier, there are two backups you should make. First, use Titanium to backup any apps you want to keep, and their app data. Obviously you can just re-download any app from the market after you flash cm9, but Titanium gives you a one-click way of doing it, thus saving you time. AND Titanium will backup app's data, so if you have a game that you want to save your progress, backing up with Titanium will save that progress.
User files (i.e. anything in the mnt/sdcard folder) will NOT be touched when wiping cache/data/dalvik in clockwork. They will ONLY be lost if you select the option to wipe sd card in clockwork. Again, if you are worried about anything, backup your files to a computer first, which obviously if anything is important to you, you should already have a backup of that data somewhere.
Are you saying that no matter what ROM you install, or what backup your restore, that all of your "user files" are always untouched?
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Yes, unless you specifically tell clockwork to wipe sd card. Any pictures, music, documents that you loaded onto the device via usb automatically go to the sd card partition, and will not be touched when flashing a rom. But again, ALWAYS have a backup of your data just in case something goes wrong.
So I don't ever have to worry about losing a precious picture or file??
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Again, I can't stress this enough: if you have data (pictures or whatever) that are important to you, make a backup somewhere off the device, just in case.
Man, thanks for your patience and sorry about the redundancy.
Everyone seems to talk about Titanium, but I'm hesitant to buy it because I'm getting ready to buy an iPad 3. I tried to use Astro File Manager, but could not figure out how to get it to work properly. I can use it on my phone in my sleep. So, right now I only have a program called literally File Manager v1.1.4 for moving and locating files, or I use Clockwork Recovery for nandroid backups, and Rom Manager app backups (I think.. unless it's backwards). I believe people choose Titanium over Rom Manager correct? or run both? But aren't they both essentially the same?
Anyway... I could literally drag and drop stuff off my tablet to my computer no problem. That's about as fool proof as it gets really. There isn't much on my tablet that I wouldn't care to lose. Maybe some journal notes or unfinished Blog drafts.
I need to ask those people in the CM forum who are having problems if they are updating the nightlies or not. this CM9 reboot problem seems VERY odd and very random... AND a total nightmare. Because once you start having the problems, even going back to CM7 3.5 won't fix it. You're stuck with a rebooting machine until someone figures it out. Have a look:
http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/42519-cm9-alpha-2-on-touchpad-device-freeze-and-reboots-randomly/
Man, thanks for your patience and sorry about the redundancy.
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No problem, we were all clueless when we started off with stuff like this.
Everyone seems to talk about Titanium, but I'm hesitant to buy it because I'm getting ready to buy an iPad 3.
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You don't have to buy it, the free version does everything except one-click backup/restores. You can still do backups and restores, but you have to do it app by app. The full app is only a few bucks, but I can understand if you are only going to use it once or twice on this tablet, just go with the free one.
I tried to use Astro File Manager, but could not figure out how to get it to work properly.
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Astro really wasn't made for making backups, and it rarely works. Titanium is an app that everyone uses, and it's really the ONLY app that works every time with every app.
and Rom Manager app backups (I think.. unless it's backwards). I believe people choose Titanium over Rom Manager correct? or run both? But aren't they both essentially the same?
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No, they are not the same. Titanium is just used to backup apps. ROM Manager is used to make nandroid backups, and flash roms without having to use recovery. However, it rarely works correctly, and will likely brick your device. Just stay away from that app. Flash roms and do nandroid backups directly through recovery, that way you wont run into any problems. ROM Manager has been known to brick many devices and cause many problems.
this CM9 reboot problem seems VERY odd and very random... AND a total nightmare.
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It is very random, and I can pretty much guarantee you it's happening because people aren't flashing and wiping correctly. If you look at the people it's happening to, it's people who are new to rooting and flashing. And if you read the main thread for Alpha 2, you rarely see someone with that problem. Again, just stick with the Aplha 2 stable release. The nightlies really are full of bugs, the cm9 team basically will make changes to a rom, and let people who flash the nightlies find the bugs. So unless you really want to be wiping and flashing every night to avoid problems, just stick with Alpha 2, it's VERY stable at the moment.
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Astro really wasn't made for making backups, and it rarely works. Titanium is an app that everyone uses, and it's really the ONLY app that works every time with every app.
Well, I suppose yer right. I mean, I will surely use it for my Thunderbolt phone. But Astro does a pretty good job I think. I'll buy it, what the heck.
No, they are not the same. Titanium is just used to backup apps. ROM Manager is used to make nandroid backups, and flash roms without having to use recovery. However, it rarely works correctly, and will likely brick your device. Just stay away from that app. Flash roms and do nandroid backups directly through recovery, that way you wont run into any problems. ROM Manager has been known to brick many devices and cause many problems.
I'm glad you told me that!! Jeesh!! Does this Rom Manager issue apply to phones too, or just tablets?
It is very random, and I can pretty much guarantee you it's happening because people aren't flashing and wiping correctly. If you look at the people it's happening to, it's people who are new to rooting and flashing. And if you read the main thread for Alpha 2, you rarely see someone with that problem. Again, just stick with the Aplha 2 stable release. The nightlies really are full of bugs, the cm9 team basically will make changes to a rom, and let people who flash the nightlies find the bugs. So unless you really want to be wiping and flashing every night to avoid problems, just stick with Alpha 2, it's VERY stable at the moment.
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Hmmm.... Ok. So you're saying to just go with CM9 Alpha 2 and not worry about it? One thing I haven't nailed down is whether these people with problems are flashing from the nightlies. Have you determined this? My point to them was sorta "there are lots of people who say CM9 is a vast improvement over CM7, yet you guys are having nothing but trouble?" That is curious to me.
I read the thread for the stable release, and it said that I don't need to connect to my PC to do it. I put the ROM and the GAPPS on my card and planned on flashing it through recovery, doing a data wipe, etc. I'm totally backed up and ready to go. I was just hesitant about the reboot issue.
But if all goes well, I'll have an iPad 3 64gig tomorrow morning. So, that will allow me plenty of time to sort out the TP if it goes into reboot hell!
Btw... sorry if I've offended the Android fanboys by buying an iPad... but I'm a fan of BOTH, and the iPad fills a need that Android just can't. I'm a musician. Which is why I'm a Mac user too. However, I do love Android no question.
Semi Newb here, bear with me (came from IOS). Im having trouble with the restore process after I flashed a Rom for the first time (Pure Shamu). Prior to flashing the ROM is was on stock 5.0, unlocked, rooted. The process I went through to flash Pure Shamu.....1. Full Wipe 2. Wipe Cache 3. Flash Pure Shamu 4. Flash GAPPS 5. Flash SuperSU 6. Reboot. After I rebooted, I was asked to enter a password for Android. Upon searching, I found out this was do to the fact I was still encrypted. Wasn't positive how to get unencrypted without flashing a new kernel so I went ahead and flashed Franco Kernel. Everything then booted normally.
This is where I ran into problems with Titanium. I went to the Play Store and downloaded Titanium and proceeded to restore from the backup I created when I was stock. I made a back up of "all user apps + system data" The restore process seemed to go smoothly but once it was complete, hardly any of my apps actually restored. There is a huge list of apps in Titanium that are greyed out and and have a line strike though them. Im really not sure why this is happening. From what I have searched, I guess I can just redownload all of these apps from the PlayStore, but that seems like it defeats the purpose of backing stuff up. There are also items that are listed that aren't apps, ex: "Android System WebView, Android Work Assistant" among many others. I don't know what these do but they must do something since they were backed up.
I feel like Im banging my head against the wall with this whole process of flashing ROMS and restoring everything on the phone. The whole process seems very convoluted and not streamlined at all. I hear about people flashing different ROMS almost daily and it makes me wonder how they have the time. The actual flashing process is quick but this restore process has taken me forever. Maybe Im just doing it all wrong. If anyone could offer some advice, I'd be greatly appreciative. Thanks
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Atomregen said:
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Can you elaborate on that please? Why should I never restore system apps from TB? How would I prevent them from restoring?
Also what are all these other things that are greyed out that are not apps.
When you restore system apps, it usually comes to problems because the version of this can be different.
To restore user applications only, go to batch and restore all applications and data and uncheck all system apps.
For me there are no other gray things.
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Atomregen said:
1. Never restore system apps with TB!
2. Grayed apps with strike are not installed but you can restore them,
white apps are already installed/restored,
red and yellow aps are system apps.
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Sorry to drag this topic up again but I had one more question regarding backups. Is titanium also supposed to backup media (music, photos, videos, etc). From what I can see it is only for backing up apps and texts/call logs etc. It also doesn't appear to backup any settings within apps (maybe it should and isn't?).
What is the best way to backup media besides just keeping a copy on my comp and dragging it to device storage?
If anyone can assist me, that would be great. Thanks