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Poll: Keeping or losing FroYo?

Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc

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If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.

dictionary said:
If you guys seriously consider that either trolling or flaming, then your standards for such really are lackluster.
For the sake of the thread though, I went back to MCR r15. Runs amazing, and have much faster up and dl speeds. Paul said he will be releasing a ROM based on this soon anyway, so I can wait. FroYo was amazing though. Only real reason I went back was because of a wifi issue, LOL. Turns out it was just an IP address conflict. I reset the IP of my laptop and solved it, but only AFTER I'd reverted. Too lazy to go back again.
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Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?

hah2110 said:
Just want to see what everyone's take is with the battery life issues, etc
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I have great battery life with FroYo, running stock FroYo kernel, and all... I do have a few small bugs that were clear signs to me it was unofficial to begin with, and am excited for the official release to see if it polishes out those few minor issues.
All in all, though, 99.9% of if works perfect. Super fast, great battery life, and so forth. Radio seems to be about the same as all the others, I get good 3G when I have it, good EDGE when I am on that. I still say I get better reception than my G1 did, but that is just me and my testing at my Dad's house (death hole for cell phone coverage) and my basement (it is where my "man dungeon" is located). Beyond that, I always get good coverage no matter the phone, so it has been a moot point to me... speed wise, I always edit my GPRS and HSDPA to 12 and 2.

hah2110 said:
Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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Why CM over MCR? Or Enom over CM? and so forth... personal preference is the likely answer. I like MCR since I have a pay account over there and can use his kitchens, thus making a ROM that is lighter. I like Enom because it is rock solid, fast, and great battery life (1.8.1 is best IMHO). I like CM because it is bleeding edge, fast, and while has its moments of instability, is still the gold standard for a full feature custom ROM, especially with all the extras pre-baked in. Desire has only 1 real option, Modaco.
And I like FroYo the most because it is new, super duper fast, good battery life, and I like frozen yogurt.

hah2110 said:
Why MCR R15 over CM 5.0.7.1?
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MCR r15 for me runs soooo much smoother. I love CyanogenMod, as my sign indicates. LOL. After trying out r15 though I was hooked.

The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.

hexix said:
The poll options seem to indicate a dislike of Froyo. Even the positive options imply that by using it you are putting up with tons of bugs or something. Are people really having trouble with Froyo?
It's been working well for me. My battery life has been worse but I thought it was just because I had turned Latitude back on about the same time I upgraded to Froyo.
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I LOVE FroYo but can't tolerate the battery consumption. Sorry if it came off bias

I love FroYo and I want to keep it but... I have some problems that I can't live with.
1. Reboot phone, resets widgets and some installed programs on SD
2. Double messaging notifications (stock messaging app conflict with other apps, even if I disable notifications)
3. Miss the tweaks and stuff from CM
Still using it but urging to switch back until custom roms are out.

Not only am I keeping Froyo, I'm being FORCED to use my TMobile Nexus(2.2) instead of my ATT Nexus(2.1) because Froyo makes 2.1 feel like a slow crappy beta.
I cannot even get voice plus data at the same time with my TMobile Nexus, yet I use it because, imo, Froyo is that much better.
Going back to my 2.1 Nexus feels like a pre launch beta device that I yell at because it's so damn laggy compared to Froyo, which is fast as a bullet.
Please Google give us 2.2 so I can go back to my freaking ATT Nexus!

wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
Overall I loved FroYo, and had I realized the IP conflict before switching back to MCR r15, I would still be on it.

Well, I just solved two of my problems, it's not so bad now. Going to stick with it

dictionary said:
wish I could have two nexus ones, LOL.
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if I'd known the ATT version was going to follow so closely behind the Tmobile version, I would only have one as well. I just couldn't wait. I keep the Tmobile Nexus rather than sell it because if anything were to ever happen to my ATT Nexus, my GF will NEVER let me buy a third one. I've used up my smartphone quota for quite awhile

People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.

For everyday use I feel Froyo is definitely slower than CM5.0.7 with pershoot's latest kernel. I used CM's quick rooter with Froyo so I was also OC'd for a fair comparison. I'm still going to keep using Froyo because it's fun seeing optimizations and themes etc slowly tickle out for the new Android build.

bluehaze said:
People get too caught up in the other ROMS when in all reality Froyo briings everything they need via a stock ROM but some folks would rather run Cyano or Modaco just to say they have have a custom ROM. In all reality if you install Froyo after a clean wipe the only real bug you will encounter is with some marketplace apps not showing up. A small price to pay considering they will eventually show up and life will be back to normal. The majority of ppl complaining about other bugs are folks who flashed froyo over a cyano or modaco etc.. rom and of course they are going to have problems as this update was obviously not tested with cyano or modaco as a base rom for obvious reasons. I'd say a good 90% plus of the problems some are experiencing are due to this and the rest of us are loving Froyo to death. I'm happy with it and anxiously awaiting the official release so I can reinstall those market apps that are missing as that's the only real bug I am encountering after a clean install of Froyo.
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I agree, to a degree, but there is no way most people are just caught up in the hype of a ROM. The assumption and assertion that custom ROMs are pointless is unjustified, and bias to your needs. I find the the enhancements custom ROMs bring can drastically alter my user experience in many ways. For example, MCR r15 runs circles around my stock ROM, in terms of speed, performance with games, battery life, etc. Prior to FroYo, these ROMs added the wifi/wired tethering, lower capacitive button fix (thanks kmobs), better battery life, smaller file sizes for installed system, homescreen rotation (which FroYo still doesn't do), trackball colors, and various other small tidbits. Now that FroYo is out (I wonder how much of what's in FroYo only came about due to the Dev community putting it out there, and Google taking notice.. hmm), I can only imagine what the Devs will cook up to enhance it even further.

Looking forward to the future Cyano ROMS based on Froyo no doubt but at this point in time Froyo brings everything I ever rooted for and gives me better battery life to boot. The dev community certainly had some influence in the features we see today in Froyo and for that I am thankful, don't mean to sound like i'm coming down on the devs. I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.

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I just don't see much point in running anything other than Froyo right now but will consider it once I see what the devs can add to it.
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Well, if you want a good example - I want the option to have sd-ext partition (custom, pre-Froyo Apps2SD). Firstly because many apps I have currently don't support moving to SD - and I'm "overbooked" by at least 50MB that I have to offload to SD card to have some space left on the device, and also because I like the ability to mound SD card without loosing access to applications.
I also hate it that I don't have direct access to hidden system menus, and even for changing the browser user agent I need to write "about:debug".
Those things keep me with CM5.0.7.1 until better times.

Your experience with the new 2.2 update?

Hi guys, im coming from a Desire and thinking of switching to the SGS because of the better hardware. Can anyone share what it's like to use it everyday with the 2.2 update already? Is it still that buggy?
I've played around with the SGS 2.1 and it is indeed slow, laggy and somewhat frustrating. Should I expect otherwise?
What about removing touchwiz? Does that bring everything up to speed?
Thanks!

Personally I feel it is slower and even more bug ed than eclair.
Desire should be better in trends of user experience......
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Is it just as slow running bare bones android? I am expecting the Galaxy S to be the first to receive the nexus S port of gingerbread

i find 2.2 way better speed wise, than 2.1
no more lag on multi upgrade from market

I seriously don't know where this lag everyone is talking about coming from, I've had my Galaxy S for 2 months now and so far my phone has been very snappy, ever since the first day I bought it when it was still running 2.1 ... the Samsung Galaxy S is one snappy phone if you ask me! it certainly can stand on it's own against the iPhone 4, which is considered by many to be the smoothest phone out there... I certainly have NO regrets purchasing the Galaxy S

i switched from desire to SGS for the following reasons:
1) music player can play FLAC's
2) divx xvid support and support for many video codecs ( use to use rock player on desire but still it was unable to play some other h264 formats)
3) nice giant super amoled screen
4) light weight and looks are better than desire
The only reason that i miss my desire is :
it was fast ( yeah SGS is a bit laggy even with custom roms and kernels) and it had flash with its camera. ( but camera of SGS is better than desire)

shranav,
How about the capacitive touch buttons? Were they easy to use coming from the Desire? I've tried them with the 2.1 rom and they seemed way unresponsive with the vibrate only registering after 2 -3 secs.
So can I assume that the experience will never be as good as the one in my desire?

oh and does HTC IME work for the SGS?? This is the only keyboard I use because it's easy to add your own dictionary

krunalkamdar said:
Personally I feel it is slower and even more bug ed than eclair.
Desire should be better in trends of user experience......
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Should be? Is this from experience of you're just talking out of your ass? Probably the latter. I've been using Doc rom with ext4 lagfix for the last 10 days and I have nothing but positive things to say about my SGS now. The phone is hella good with 2.2.

mjay9090 said:
I seriously don't know where this lag everyone is talking about coming from, I've had my Galaxy S for 2 months now and so far my phone has been very snappy, ever since the first day I bought it when it was still running 2.1 ... the Samsung Galaxy S is one snappy phone if you ask me! it certainly can stand on it's own against the iPhone 4, which is considered by many to be the smoothest phone out there... I certainly have NO regrets purchasing the Galaxy S
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Same here, fantastic screen, light, good sound for phone...
Of course KIES stink, but there are plenty alternatives...
The only problem I had with 2.1 was that it forgot where the SD cards where too often, and I had to reboot to use access photos or music...
Upgraded to 2.2 and no more "memory" problems...

I bought this mobile a week back with 2.1... Two days back upgraded to froyo... Better than 2.1.. Lot of new options.. Google voice works well... Speed both versions almost same.... Kies sucks in 2.1...but improved with froyo..
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I really don't know what the problem is for some people.
I have 2.1 and upgraded via Keis to 2.2
I was always in the habit of resetting (off and on again) my phone at least once a day. This is something I have done with all phones.
Now with the new Active Applications program in 2.2 I don't do this as much. I just close any programs using this.
I have never suffered lag on the SGS. The only problem I had was the inbuilt email software is really slow. This is not a big problem as I use the gmail software for all my mobile mail.

mjay9090 said:
I seriously don't know where this lag everyone is talking about coming from, I've had my Galaxy S for 2 months now and so far my phone has been very snappy, ever since the first day I bought it when it was still running 2.1 ... the Samsung Galaxy S is one snappy phone if you ask me! it certainly can stand on it's own against the iPhone 4, which is considered by many to be the smoothest phone out there... I certainly have NO regrets purchasing the Galaxy S
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I feel the same. A couple weeks after getting my 9000M (with 2.1 JH2) I decided to try the OCLF (lag fix) and it made some things quicker or snappier, Android Market was noticeably faster. It made some things worse like menu transitions/animations were really choppy after the lag fix and I would get random short hangs every now and again. A couple weeks after applying the lag fix my phone would not boot (stuck on Galaxy S screen then black screen). Luckily the phone wasn't completely dead. I had to do a factory reset and have been running it stock since (probably 10 weeks now). I don't know that I am experience this lag that people talk about. It runs pretty smoothly.

2.2 and Voodoo and every is A-OK!

kingofthebraves said:
oh and does HTC IME work for the SGS?? This is the only keyboard I use because it's easy to add your own dictionary
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htc_ime works
if you go for it, i suggest a custom rom if you want a snappy phone
stock roms suffer from lag, especially when you install many apps
it is really easy to flash a custom rom (or even just a custom kernel)

sorry if its not right place to ask but
whats a diffrent between GT i9000 and Galaxy s i9000
mine says GT I9000

mjay9090 said:
I seriously don't know where this lag everyone is talking about coming from, I've had my Galaxy S for 2 months now and so far my phone has been very snappy, ever since the first day I bought it when it was still running 2.1 ... the Samsung Galaxy S is one snappy phone if you ask me! it certainly can stand on it's own against the iPhone 4, which is considered by many to be the smoothest phone out there... I certainly have NO regrets purchasing the Galaxy S
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I've had 2 SGS so far.
First, had no 3 button menus, but was very quick, no lag. Was able to root and lag fix to improve speed further no bother
Second, my current one. HAS 3bm, but massive lag. Unable to root by normal methods (also hard to verify if phone was rooted) also unable to lag fix
Seems to correlate with what people are saying. You saying there is no lag, and others having no end of problems.
Personally, on this phone I've missed calls with the screen taking too long to change.
I should note that my first phone was network unlocked but this one is tied to Three ireland with their modifications etc to it :-(

They are one in the same.
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Hey all, I updated to 2.2 last night, and have been impressed since first reboot. I have applied oclf as well and the phone has not lagged once. I suggest you also look at the minfree settings in oclf, as the autokill defaults for the sgs are sub par. I found that minfree adjustment has also had a major impact on the performance of the phone. We need to remember that out of the factory (our fresh from factory firmware upgrade) these phone do not run at their best and they need to be tweaked to see full potential. Cheers. H
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I read somewhere (could of been in xda) that enabling usb debugging helps with the lag issues. Don't know how that works but just throwing out there.
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2.3 ROMs?

Hi guys sorry if this is a stupid question but I have looked on the forum and not really found what I wanted. I would like to know if there is any pretty stable 2.3 Roms for the Galaxy S out yet. Links to the threads would be appreciated!
Thanks,
Dali

there is no official version of 2.3 gingerbread.. only beta version XWJV1, you can find it here -> CLICK

CM7 is available (based on 2.3.3).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=940095

it's not final yet.. contain some bugs, and its not for daily use ..

Iv been using CM7 now for two weeks or so and its perfectly stable. There are a few things that don't work but most things for everyday use does. And its being updated every other day. Just make sure to read the instructions and understand the steps before you try it out.
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If by perfectly stable, you mean "no crashes", then yeah, I'd agree. It never crashed for me either. HOWEVER, if you actually USE your phone as more than a toy, good luck.. CM7 didn't even pick up the correct IMEI, camera/video recording is broken, etc. But GPS at least "works" (about as well as any normal SGS in my opinion, which isn't that great anyway). I also recall the phone signal fluctuating a lot more last I used it.
A simple question: If you relied on phone calls through your mobile to make your money for your job, would you trust CM7 beta yet? I wouldn't! In fact, in my opinion most the stuff that worked was either on par, or below par with the stock firmware. There was also a lot of stuff that didn't work.
I didn't see any real benefit to using the ROM yet. It's a fun toy, but my overall experience was worse with it. It will grow your e-penis, but considering only recently they fixed the touchscreen support on it, clearly, it still is early days. The main features which seem to have made the SGS a better phone at launch than competitors (with the exception of Multitouch), don't seem to be there yet

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If by perfectly stable, you mean "no crashes", then yeah, I'd agree. It never crashed for me either. HOWEVER, if you actually USE your phone as more than a toy, good luck.. CM7 didn't even pick up the correct IMEI, camera/video recording is broken, etc. But GPS at least "works" (about as well as any normal SGS in my opinion, which isn't that great anyway). I also recall the phone signal fluctuating a lot more last I used it.
A simple question: If you relied on phone calls through your mobile to make your money for your job, would you trust CM7 beta yet? I wouldn't! In fact, in my opinion most the stuff that worked was either on par, or below par with the stock firmware. There was also a lot of stuff that didn't work.
I didn't see any real benefit to using the ROM yet. It's a fun toy, but my overall experience was worse with it. It will grow your e-penis, but considering only recently they fixed the touchscreen support on it, clearly, it still is early days. The main features which seem to have made the SGS a better phone at launch than competitors (with the exception of Multitouch), don't seem to be there yet
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Agree on everything. CM7 looks sexy and is pretty fast(wouldnt say much faster than the latest lagfixed samsung stuff but fast ) That's why I still hope for some roms from samsung in the coming months(ofcourse GB) , and ofcourse source release cause I cant live withoout Voodoo Sound

But nowhere in his post did Dali mention anything about business. All he asks is if there are any 2.3 ROMs. IMHO there are very few problems with CM7 and as far as call signal goes using the JQ1 modem has improved my signal substantially.
I'd still recommended trying it out and if your not happy you can always revert to stock. Simples
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But nowhere in his post did Dali mention anything about business. All he asks is if there are any 2.3 ROMs. IMHO there are very few problems with CM7 and as far as call signal goes using the JQ1 modem has improved my signal substantially.
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It's true he never mentioned business. But he did mention STABLE roms.
My point was to provide an alternative perspective. There is a growing prevalence of users pushing software which they believe is "stable", however, put the biggest peddlers of such software in a situation where your time costs money, and a lot of the times, they will suddenly say it isn't stable enough (which seems to be a perspective a lot of vocal Linux users have never experienced).
And whilst there are "limited problems", there are certainly more serious issues than the standard stock ROM's.. Camera support, fm support (at least last build I tried) and the compass is definitely dodgy. HD quality movie playback for myself was also broken... As mentioned, the ROM also showed my IMEI as corrupt when I tried the ROM the second time..
The question is, do you want to inconvenience yourself simply to have a glorious 2.3 rom, or do you realistically want the most productive ROM?

[Q] Does your phone suffer from random reboots?

For a long while now an on many different roms I have noticed my phone rebooting at what appears to be random atleast twice a week.
It's never been when in a call and I often only notice it because I see the boot animation on my phone out of the corner of my eye while it was doing nothing but being sat on my desk! Also I know when it has done it because it has switched back to my default network which I am not normally on.
For me I have had it on everything from CM7 to Juwes to docs rom to stock. If this is not normal behaviour I fear that my phone may have a hardware fault
Post your random reboot experiences here!

My experience: rarely with Darky 10.1, I got one today with Juwe 5.1 but I installed this rom two days ago and still making some experiment.
Bye.

always close to stock cfroot only + own changes = never had issues ...

Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do

TBH I haven't actually been on a pure stock rom for quite some time. From what I remember I would get the occasional random reboot but probably not quite as often as I have done since turning to custom roms.
Could some fundamental change that many custom roms make cause this?
Or could perhaps a certain rogue app which I have had installed on many different roms be causing this?

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Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do
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Yes this is partly why I decided to create this thread and try to get to the bottom of it. My warranty runs out in 2/3 months and the paranoid side of me fears a hardware issue. I also started on 2.2 and don't think I got quite as many, if any, random reboots then which seems to coincide with your experiences.

Deck6rd said:
Yes this is partly why I decided to create this thread and try to get to the bottom of it. My warranty runs out in 2/3 months and the paranoid side of me fears a hardware issue. I also started on 2.2 and don't think I got quite as many, if any, random reboots then which seems to coincide with your experiences.
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Yeah our guarantee runs out in about 6 or 7 weeks which is why I thought of phoning them, my phone has been back once because the motherboard or whatever its called had to be replaced. do you think it could be hardware?

kezgez said:
Yeah our guarantee runs out in about 6 or 7 weeks which is why I thought of phoning them, my phone has been back once because the motherboard or whatever its called had to be replaced. do you think it could be hardware?
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I have no idea. I'm starting to think probably not. so far 75% of people to this poll have reboots either daily or weekly. I think it could be a software bug in all gingerbread based roms but i really don't no. Would be interesting to flash back to stock froyo and see if it persists then.
Keep an eye on this thread and hopefully we can get to the bottom of this

kezgez said:
Both my husband and I get them at least twice a week also, we are on stock JVH that we got from O2 through Kies, not rooted or anything. we are thinking of phoning samsung tomorrow, we never had any of these on 2.2, so I think it must be software with us both getting them since 2.3. both our phones are still in guarantee, although if it is software I dont know what they can do
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Ideal time to flash a custom rom with root. Follow the white rabbit.........
blockbuster 2.4

Are those who never get any random reboots mostly on stock roms? if so which roms?

mhm...............

Deck6rd said:
so far 75% of people to this poll have reboots either daily or weekly. I think it could be a software bug in all gingerbread based roms but i really don't no
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question/thread title is "Does your phone suffer from random reboots?" so majorityof people that does not have any reboots/problems will not join to read so they will not vote
also by the thread title in some way youre determining the anserw yet still youve got 15 people voted (thats not authoritative + 350 thread openings...) & 33% of them said NEVER

I used to get random reboots on stock firmware, because samsung can't write software! Since running cm7 based software (insanity cm) I haven't had one single reboot, the stability is mindblowing and it is super stable, however it is not really for flashing novices, just my humble opinion
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I'm with 2.3.4 JVP, and usually after an uptime of around 333 hours the phone reboots itself, happened twice...

$omator said:
question/thread title is "Does your phone suffer from random reboots?" so majorityof people that does not have any reboots/problems will not join to read so they will not vote
also by the thread title in some way youre determining the anserw yet still youve got 15 people voted (thats not authoritative + 350 thread openings...) & 33% of them said NEVER
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Yes I do admit I haven't received the amount of feedback I was hoping for in this thread. And yes I am fully aware that polling on here is far from an accurate way of gathering data exactly for the reason you suggested but still I hoped to learn something about the extent of this phenomenon.
Also when I wrote that quote that you critisied for being inaccurate it was correct at the time. If not a little premature
However please feel free to share your experiences (or lack of) the topic in question.

I voted 'very rarely' - usually when running a buggy app that uses all RAM and CPU.
No reboots by itself so far.

to much, using dark core 2.6 , pilotx rom

Wow I thought I am the only who suffer with this..LOL...My phone is running JVO 2.3.3 and I updated it via Kies...no root no lagfix, quite a virgin Galaxy S..hahaah...

Very rarely, and it was only after this one time I had to swap batteries and didn't allow the phone to fully shutdown which must've caused some corruption. Even though I restored a backup certain things just seemed off and turned out I did had problems with reboots and so after that, most likely being the cause.
Besides that, after putting in a fresh ROM and whatnot, never had issues, not before the incident save once maybe.

I have changed to juwe 5.1 today from his 5.0. Was playing angry birds and left phone down for minute, then soon as screen locked it rebooted itself. Have not tried with other apps yet. Will post back when tried them out

[Q] Can the Captivate be functional for non-hobbyists?

I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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......so get an iPhone then........
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I bought my wife a 4gs on launch day, and its smooth but not without a few faults. The amount of repeat info here can turn into a maze of discouragement, but I think just a little more effort might yield the results you want. I'm currently running mosaic 8 with the latest semiphore kernel and its very stable to say the least.
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KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good. There are 5-6 real nice stable roms out right now. Take the time to find one you like and stick with it.
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Wdustin1 said:
......so get an iPhone then........
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So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?

teknowledgist said:
I don't want to make trouble, but I'm hoping there can be a dialog as to the viability of the Captivate as a long-term, stable cell phone.
Like probably everyone here, I found the ROM AT&T supplied for the Captivate to be practically (if not criminally) unusable even if I didn't care about my rights to do what I want with it (but I do). Thus I decided that I needed to flash it with something better.
Obviously, there are a lot of Captivate owners who work very hard (and presumably, enjoy) modifying and tweaking the Android system for their phone - and that's great - but I'm not one of them. I appreciate that people like to change the look of their <object> and that the latest-and-greatest functionality is an ever-moving target, but paramount to me for everything in my life is minimal maintenance.
I don't really care about flashy eye-candy and holiday color schemes if it is moderately consistent. I am not looking to squeeze the last 2% (or even 10%) of possible speed out of my phone, but I do want it to respond to my input within a few tenths of a second (faster w/ typing) unlike the stock ROM. I have to use a lock-code, so I don't give a fig about the number of lock screens. If I could flash my phone and never have a need (note: not desire) to do it again, that would be fantastic. If I have to re-flash it once every 6 months and don't need to (re)read long (long!) meandering threads with cryptic and often conflicting and (possibly - how to tell?) outdated information, I could live with that.
Basically, it seems like I have to choose between a fixed, official ROM that sucks, or a sea of ever-changing ROMs with stability problems and a lot of focus on look-and-feel.
I'm not here crying about not having the perfect phone experience, rather I'm interested in the opinion of you here, "in the know", as to whether there exists a Captivate ROM that is stable in both the short-term (little to no crashes or unplanned reboots) and in the long term (will function similarly for months when not tweaked beyond what say, TiBu or AdAway would do).
This is something I've been wondering for months now (as my Serendipidy ROM grew ever-more unstable), but it has come to a head now because my wife is insisting that I encounter so many problems with my Cappy (currently experiencing various problems with Serenity) that I need to get a new phone (and it should be an iPhone like hers). I am as jealous at her stability, battery life and lack of problems as I am loathe to sell my soul to live in the walled garden with the iDevil.
If the world of smart phones is really a choice among the walled garden, the astro-turfed basement and the slopes of a volcano in the jungle, then I will have to accept that and choose my fate. If the problem is Samsung/AT&T and Android is simply ambrosia on some other device/carrier (as my colleague claims), then I would love to know that too.
Sorry for the dissertation and thanks for the thoughts.
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Cm7. Wipe data factory reset again after flashing, let it sit for 10 mins after first boot but before you sign in.
My vibrant was perfectly stable that way.
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MIUI, great fast ROM. All you have to do is flash the small update every week and everything stays the same. You don't loose data!
If you don't feel like doing the update every single week just skip a few here and there. Or got the latest Gingerbread leak(KK4) and use it. It is stable, has great battery life, and pretty fast, but still can't compare to MIUI/CM7 speeds!

I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.

derek4484 said:
I'm not sure what you mean by stock AT&T ROM being no good. I've used a Captivate that had the official AT&T stock 2.2 on it, and it was pretty darn good. I then loaded the "stock" AT&T gingerbread leak on it, and it was even better. Almost no lag at all, GPS worked great, and battery life was excellent. I think you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
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I tried to use the stock 2.2. I really did. I was getting random shutdowns and reboots all the time and the lag, oh the lag! I can't tell you how many times I would hit an on-screen button and nothing would happen. I would hit it again a second or three later or try a different on screen-button, and still nothing. Thinking the app had crashed, I would hit home or back. Another second or two after that, everything I had done would process in a millisecond and I would be back at the home screen with no idea what I had done as the "extra" touches would register as some other command on the screens that followed and I didn't see.
Once I reflashed the first time, the lag went away and the shutdowns greatly diminished, but since then I have had various other problems. Things like:
- the phone telling me I had a cell signal when I didn't and because I don't make many outgoing calls or texts I just thought nobody wanted to talk to me. Meanwhile people were getting mad that I wasn't getting back to them.
- Apps "uninstalling" by themselves sometimes with a generic icon to replace them. Re-installing them sometimes worked and sometimes didn't (with the same app).
- Texts that come in 5 hours after they were sent and 2 hours after I emerged into a strong cell signal (I work in a sub-basement).
When I tried the KK4 stock, everything did seem to work well until I actually tried to use it as a phone. It said I had signal and I had data connection, but most calls would simply never dial, and while it would ring and I could see who was calling, I couldn't answer. This seems particularly bizarre to me as you would think the ROM/modem pair should work with all Captivates.

If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
i897 running Mosaic 8.5

teknowledgist said:
So, your view is that the Captivate and/or Android phones are best used by people who have both the skills and time to regularly - if not constantly - rebuild and tweak hidden and background settings always at some risk of bricking their several-hundred dollar device, and you see the iPhone as the proper choice for people who simply want something that works for their day-to-day use?
That's worse than what everyday users had to manage with DOS or in the early days of Linux or Windows 95. At least with those, your hardware wasn't (usually) at risk.
Is there no solution for those in the middle who want something that works day-to-day and allows them some freedom to make minor changes like block ads and install "unapproved" apps? Are they simply out of luck?
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Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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Madtowndave said:
If you want stability, I'd recommend Firefly or Andromeda. They are both older and are Froyo builds, but ultra stable.
And I concur the out of the box Cappy 2.1 build was unusable...it's how I ended up here at xda! Unlike you however, I found that I do like tweaking my phone, and I've done some amount of that...not without peaks and valleys, but I currently really enjoy the Mosaic ROM with Semaphore JVZ kernel.
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Thanks for the suggestions.
Actually, I think tweaking can be fun sometimes, but between work, family, house, etc. I'm usually stumbling through on 5 hours of sleep a night as it is (good thing I don't drive to work!). I simply don't have time to tweak, and I definitely can't be without a phone for a day or two.

MikeyMike01 said:
Unfortunately, it's shaping out that way. And it's only getting worse as time goes on and the fragments march in their separate directions. When there's 20 different fundamental ROMS (Sense, TouvhWiz, all the variations and so on), and 4000 different phones it becomes increasingly difficult to provide a consistent quality experience.
The worst part being I don't see a way out for Google or a light at the end of the tunnel for consumers short of starting over, which presents more problems than it solves.
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That's the sense I was getting, but when I would express it to anyone I know in meat-space, they just rolled their eyes and called me crazy. I started this thread with the optimistic hope that I was simply missing something.
It's good to know at least that I'm not alone in my thinking.

Stevenrogers_420 said:
KK4 seems to be the final update and source code is out so things are about to get real good.
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This is my hope.

I have had Cognition 5 on my phone since it was released. It has been the ultimate experience for me. Stable, GREAT battery life, awesome response, etc. It is the Plain Jane of ROMs and I won't use anything else.
at least not until a stable, working version of ICS is out. I've recently got my hands on a free captivate and have been using it as a testbed for ICS. Once I am satisfied, I will flash my everyday use Cappy to ICS and be done with flashing on this phone until I can upgrade this summer.

Im in your boat somewhat. I want all features of the device to work and I dont want reboots etc. Stability is critical.
For Froyo, Firefy 3.0 ROM gave up uptimes of 7-8 days without issue. I only rebooted once battery ran out.
GB ROMs Ive tried are all more unstable, but I have been on Illuminance 3.01 for over a week now and its running quite good. I reboot often though as I swap batteries, so I cant speak to up time but it goes over a day easily. Im using the ICS theme with it so it feels like I have a new device also.
Now that we have KK4 source I think we will see stability improve even more.
I see too many problems with the ICS builds so far but they are alpha afterall. Impressive progress from the devs working on it however!

Eventually my idea is to take the best of all the leaks and make a rock solid stable hybrid rom. Though most devs, including myself, try to cater to the masses. It seems what you are looking for isn't very popular. Most want more and better in their roms, i've tried both and still not overly successful at either. But it doesn't stop me from trying to create the best of both worlds. A solid stable rom with nice features, that doesn't deteriorate in performance over time. Hopefully a hybrid rom will solve a lot of issues we all face with the cappy.
The thing the iphone has going for it is the fact it is one manufacturer, apple. All the iphones are the same, same processor, same hardware, same specs, same, same, same. It makes it easy to have a tight knit development for the phone, so it is less prone to issues. But because of this tight, closed architecture, you don't have allot of choices as far as styles and hardware. Android and Windows, on the other hand, have multiple manufacturers and many choices of processors, hardware and styles to choose from. So it is much more difficult for Google and phone manufacturing developers to cater to all of the different phones and have each one run flawlessly. The same holds true for Linux and Windows with PC's. But I think the cappy has some of the best developers on XDA making great ROMs for it and these ROMs don't necessarily cater to hobbyists, they cater to captivate users in general.
Sometimes good things come to those who wait...
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In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day

kangi26 said:
In my own opinion, I think one of the best ROM's out there, and quite frankly possibly the most stable I've run to date is Phoenix Unleashed. It's Froyo JS8, and was the last of the 2.2 ROM's Adam put out. It was a ROM I would absolutely go to IF I ever got tired of flashing ROM's(don't really see that happening) and wanted to just have a phone that worked and worked well.
I'm too busy now playing with ICS.......but that is a story for another day
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I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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MikeyMike01 said:
I think there's something to that. Serendipity 6 was JS8 if I remember correctly.
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By the way, no offence Mikey, I'm not in any way trying to imply that your ROM's are inferior, I just spent a TON of time with the Phoenix ROM's so my opinion comes from that alone