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So I am Unlimited AT&T legacy customer that just went out and baught the HTC Vivid. I baught the Vivid for a couple reasons.
-Upgrade was advailabl a couple months ago. I wanted to lock in my Unlimited Plan before they start deploying LTE in my area. I wanted one the Dual Core, 4.5" screen, LTE phones.
-The display look much sharper sitting next to Skyrocket in the store. Looking at the AT&T Widgets that were the same on both phones. You can really tell the sharpness of the Vivid's screen in comparisance.
-Build quality was more "Solid." Weight was not a defining issue for me.
-I baught a first generation Captivate. So I got burned by the GPS issue. So the Samsung Skyrocket was going to have to be perfect.
-The Nexus is not going to come out for AT&T anytime soon, I think.
-I did not relize that the LG Optimas existed and is coming to AT&T as the Nitro
I am looking for some feed back on why other folks baught the HTC Vivid? Is HTC a solid company when it comes to updating? Do folks have high hopes, looking forward to, Sense 4.0 and ICS? Do any folks have any experince with LG? Did I make the wrong choice now that the LG Optimas is coming to AT&T as the Nitro? The last, and most important, do folks see a solid group of XDA Developers doing their magic on the HTC Vivid?
Now when I got burned with the purchase of the early build Samsung Captivate, and it's horrible GPS. The only thing that made the purchase worth it was the XDA Developers Community and all the effort they put in to it. So in the end I am looking to see which of the LTE, 4.5", Dual Core phones is going to get the most XDA Development, and be a good phone.
Thanks for any responses/opinion
As far as dev support, the Skyrocket has real root, and can run TMo S II ROMs already.
LG has a worse record if possible than Samsung for Android updates. Plus, they don't have much of a following. The build quality is great, but check out the Ghost Town of the Thrill forum. That phone came out in September, its already been passed over by all the dev support.
If you want high end android phone with dev support and don't mind losing LTE the original Galaxy S II is the best phone on ATT. Its almost identicle to the international version. There were ROMs for this phone within 24 hours because all the work on the i9100 was not lost. The first phone on att with ICS will probably be that phone. I would not be surprised if we have ICS before (if at all) att has a subsidized Galaxy Nexus.
I too came from the captivate. I never had the GPS woes everyone else complained about. It was slow to get a lock, but worked solid for me from that point. The i777 original Galaxy S II is much faster to get a lock, but not as fast as my wife's iPhone. I am extrely pleased with my i777, but I don't gave LTE, and would be surprised if I have it next time I upgrade.
I bet the Vivid will pick up a lot of the Inspire crowd, but I don't think it will rival any of the Samsung phones of late.
If I had LTE coverage to play with I might have been tempted, but its still first Gen LTE phone for att, so that scares me from both the vivid and skyrocket.
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I actually wound up with one of my Lines being the LG Thrill and that phone is still stuck with Froyo so yea LG has a VERY Bad record of keeping up with updates considering the Thrill isn't even that old. As for the Skyrocket it seems to have a bit of a banding issue like white lines when you are watching movies or what not that is quite aggravating. Oh yea also forgot the Skyrocket Does not seem to have FM Radio built in. It does have an NFC chip though which is kind of a bonus but with the horrid screen it really depends on what your looking for in a device. If you want a fast phone out of the Box and something with NFC than the Skyrocket is what you will want. If you want a phone that has Wonderful resolution and will Be most likely Just as fast as the Skyrocket once it gets root than I would go with the Vivid.
After having owned both the Skyrocket and the Vivid for a few days, here are a couple of my thoughts. I hope this helps your decision process. This is all just my opinion.
I like the feel of the Skyrocket in my hand better.
The Skyrocket's web browser is not resizing websites when you pinch to expand. The Vivid does.
The Skyrocket's screen colors are brighter than the Vivid's, but light colored websites and text on a full white background is significantly dimmer.Reading ebooks is better on the Vivid, or--for that matter--my Inspire.
The Skyrocket has the charging/USB port where it belongs, on the bottom. The Vivid's is on the side. That's worse for charging cradles and using the phone while charging.
I like the screen resolution on the Skyrocket better. Fonts are easier to read for those with less than perfect vision. Some of the Vivid's Fonts are downright tiny.
The Vivid works flawlessly with my Motorola H17 headsets. Cyberon works great. The Skyrocket has been basically useless with the H17; how it works with voice command I don't know. This may be a compatibility issue, but still...
Synching to Outlook with the Vivid is painless and free with HTC Synch. Synching to Outlook with the Skyrocket is a PITA and costs $50. (For the third party PC program.) Perhaps there's a better way I haven't found.
Volume is FAR better on the Skyrocket.
Battery life is better on the Skyrocket.
The Vivid can turn Bluetooth volume down further. That's a big deal when on the phone with a loud talker.
Sense (Vivid) is better than Touchwiz (Skyrocket).
Both have data issues right now.
Both are plenty fast enough.
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After having owned both the Skyrocket and the Vivid for a few days, here are a couple of my thoughts. I hope this helps your decision process. This is all just my opinion.
I like the feel of the Skyrocket in my hand better.
The Skyrocket's web browser is not resizing websites when you pinch to expand. The Vivid does.
The Skyrocket's screen colors are brighter than the Vivid's, but light colored websites and text on a full white background is significantly dimmer.Reading ebooks is better on the Vivid, or--for that matter--my Inspire.
The Skyrocket has the charging/USB port where it belongs, on the bottom. The Vivid's is on the side. That's worse for charging cradles and using the phone while charging.
I like the screen resolution on the Skyrocket better. Fonts are easier to read for those with less than perfect vision. Some of the Vivid's Fonts are downright tiny.
The Vivid works flawlessly with my Motorola H17 headsets. Cyberon works great. The Skyrocket has been basically useless with the H17; how it works with voice command I don't know. This may be a compatibility issue, but still...
Synching to Outlook with the Vivid is painless and free with HTC Synch. Synching to Outlook with the Skyrocket is a PITA and costs $50. (For the third party PC program.) Perhaps there's a better way I haven't found.
Volume is FAR better on the Skyrocket.
Battery life is better on the Skyrocket.
The Vivid can turn Bluetooth volume down further. That's a big deal when on the phone with a loud talker.
Sense (Vivid) is better than Touchwiz (Skyrocket).
Both have data issues right now.
Both are plenty fast enough.
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I understand liking super amoled more but actually preferring lower resolution? You must be one of few. Just resize the fonts if they're too small.
Doors anyone know anything about the LG Nitro? It seems to be a solid device specifications wise. How much damage does LG do with their launcher/modifications.
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I understand liking super amoled more but actually preferring lower resolution? You must be one of few. Just resize the fonts if they're too small.
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Many system fonts are not resizeable. Go android. One of the few? Anyone who's vision is less than perfect and doesn't want to put on their reading glasses to use the phone. Now, I believe once the phone is rooted there are apps that can change pixel density? So there probably is a way down the road to fix this. But I'm just talking out of the box experience here. Anyone with the skill/desire to get into that will disregard what I'm saying anyway. I'm just trying to help the unskilled masses make their decision.
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-The Nexus is not going to come out for AT&T anytime soon, I think.
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So I start this off with a disclaimer that this is complete hearsay and in no way from an authoritative source. But! I was talking to a friend of mine who works for Samsung America in the PR department about phones, and I asked her about the Galaxy Nexus. While she wouldn't really say much, she did say that if I wanted it on AT&T, I'd have to wait till the end of the 1st quarter or beginning of the 2nd quarter in 2012. So, at some point in the future, the Galaxy Nexus will likely be available for AT&T, but it'll probably be a ways off.
I have heard both good AND bad about LG phones, but this thing looks too tempting to pass up. My week old SGS II will be heading back to AT&T as soon as the Nitro drops.
I was debating the nitro once i heard about it but after having the skyrocket and relazing the only benefit is the screen thats where it stopped. I feel that the dev community and just overall software upgrades (skyrocket is confirmed for sandwich 100%) and other lack of issues on the bulletproof skyrocket makes me believe that i made the right choice. Every time i play with the vivid and skyrocket, yes the crispy screen is nice but once you take them away from side to side the skyrocket isn't too bad.
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Doors anyone know anything about the LG Nitro? It seems to be a solid device specifications wise. How much damage does LG do with their launcher/modifications.
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Media guy here - i have a new in box Nitro HD, LTE, for AT&T, if anyone wants to buy it. PM me if interested. I got to play with it/review it extensively, and it's LG's best efforts to date. The G2x is crap against it, and LG has really stepped it up.
They gave us Nitro HD's to keep, but I'm on T-Mobile, and as much as I'd like to use the Nitro HD, I don't want to use it on Edge, T-Mobile connection, hence my reason for selling. If you want to buy it from me, let me know - thanks!
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I was debating the nitro once i heard about it but after having the skyrocket and relazing the only benefit is the screen thats where it stopped. I feel that the dev community and just overall software upgrades (skyrocket is confirmed for sandwich 100%) and other lack of issues on the bulletproof skyrocket makes me believe that i made the right choice. Every time i play with the vivid and skyrocket, yes the crispy screen is nice but once you take them away from side to side the skyrocket isn't too bad.
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If I'm not mistaken LG has said that the nitro along with the 3d optimus (the thrill here in the us) will.br getting ics upgrades. Im considering returning my vivid for the nitro cause of the screen n all I ever do is root to allow for tethering with out paying since I have unlimited data.
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If I'm not mistaken LG has said that the nitro along with the 3d optimus (the thrill here in the us) will.br getting ics upgrades. Im considering returning my vivid for the nitro cause of the screen n all I ever do is root to allow for tethering with out paying since I have unlimited data.
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I have the Nitro, new in box for sale. As I sad above, I am on T-MObile and can't use it. PM me if interested
I chose the Vivid over the Skyrocket because of the qHD screen and because it had an FM radio. I previously had a Captivate and loved the AMOLED screen, but after lengthy in-store comparison I felt the Vivid's was as good or better than the Skyrocket (at least at full brightness). Both seemed equally snappy. The Skyrocket was much lighter, but I decided I could live with the Vivid's weight.
Bought my Vivid the day it came out, and my only trepidation was, 'Please ATT, don't come out with any 720p phones in the next 30 days.' And sure enough, here comes the Nitro! But even if I could change, I don't think I would. Judging on the specs in Phonescoop (subject to change), the Nitro has the 720p screen, faster processor and lighter weight, but seems to be missing the following features:
- less RAM (720MB vs. 1GB for Vivid/Skyrocket) ** see Edit **
- less internal storage (4GB internal vs. 16GB)
- no FM radio
- no video out ** see Edit **
- possibly less battery life ** see Edit **
Will check out the phone on Monday. Like I said, I really wanted 720p, but I've seen the HTC Rezound in person, and while the text is sharper, it's really only noticeable at very close range - the icon sizes were the same despite having 78% more pixels. So for now, I'm still very happy with my Vivid.
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EDIT: The Nitro has DLNA, so outputting media on a TV is possible, just not with a cable. Also, Phonearena says the RAM is 1GB, so that 720MB might be the usable figure; comparable to ~800MB for Vivid. Confirmed the 4GB internal storage and no FM radio, which is a minor thing, but I wanted it after AT&T deleted it from the E71x.
The Nitro has an 1820 mAh battery, comparable to the 1850 mAh for the Skyrocket and better than the 1620 mAh for the Vivid, but worse claimed battery life, perhaps a function of the screen. 1800 mAh after-market batteries are available for the Vivid.
After review, the specs are much closer/favorable for Nitro, so it's more of a judgment call.
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Nokia 6200 -> Treo 650 -> HTC 8525 -> Nokia E71/71x -> Samsung Captivate -> HTC Vivid!
RAM
Does 768 to 1GB of ram make a difference? This is some what of a deal breaker for me.
Quick update - the specs are up on AT&T's website. I went to LG's website and downloaded the manual for the Nitro HD (LG P930), and it says that video out by HDMI cable is possible, and over WiFi/Bluetooth/USB in more limited ways. Perhaps these differences are due to differences between international and Americanized models. If correct, Nitro's specs seem even more favorable.
$150 in my area, may have to swap for vivid. ARG
I'm going fir the og gs2 right after church. Vivid is nice but no root, battery life, and some what leggy ui... I came from ios and so fat I am disappoint with android but I think its the phone. Ever since I first got this phone I kinda wish I hadn't.
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Just yesterday my phone didn't make it a whole day. I unplugged it at 7am and then watched some YouTube vids and by 7pm the battery was dead. Heck, at 6pm my battery said it had 40% battery and I used the navigation system for 5mins and it went down to 20%. Its kinda embarrassing when your friend ask for a flashlight so I had him my phone but the battery is to low for the flashlight to turn on. My other friend asked "I thought you had 45% battery an hour ago" and then hands his iPhone 4s to that guy. So no, this phone has been a disapointment. Sorry for the rant
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I'm going fir the og gs2 right after church. Vivid is nice but no root, battery life, and some what leggy ui... I came from ios and so fat I am disappoint with android but I think its the phone. [\b] Ever since I first got this phone I kinda wish I hadn't.
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If you think the UI is laggy then, trust me:
You have issues with Android. And may just want to go back to the iPhone.
Because as Android devices go, this phone is the smoothest I've ever seen.
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The topic says it all, with the current state of the tablet world, and understanding that when the Transformer Prime and its generation of tablets comes out the Gtab7 will be 2 generations behind, should i buy one ?
I can get one 2nd hand, for 150€ wifi+3g.
Is it worth it ?
if you can find one for a decent price, i'd say go for it... it might be worth checking the model of the one you want to buy to make sure developers support it if thats what you are after.
i just recently bought myself a galaxy tab 7 and im sure i'll get tons of use out of it. its such a nice size and portable, and the expericne is comparable to my phone, so nothing its too foreign like it is going from froyo to honeycomb or something.
i figure i'll keep this one until they come out with some decent 7 inch icecream sandwich tablets and i'll sell it and buy one of those. but i dont see one coming out that will thrill me much until at least mid next year.
i bought mine for about that same price (but in USD), honestly for me the instant i saw the deal it was far too good for me to resist.
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if you can find one for a decent price, i'd say go for it... it might be worth checking the model of the one you want to buy to make sure developers support it if thats what you are after.
i just recently bought myself a galaxy tab 7 and im sure i'll get tons of use out of it. its such a nice size and portable, and the expericne is comparable to my phone, so nothing its too foreign like it is going from froyo to honeycomb or something.
i figure i'll keep this one until they come out with some decent 7 inch icecream sandwich tablets and i'll sell it and buy one of those. but i dont see one coming out that will thrill me much until at least mid next year.
i bought mine for about that same price (but in USD), honestly for me the instant i saw the deal it was far too good for me to resist.
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I already own a HD2 (work phone) and a DHD (private phone), so the Tab will be a complement to this ecosystem. I like it not being too big, and yet not too small.
We can find tons of 7inch tablets, bat all of them have the same resolution has my phones, and i wish to AVOID pixels
Performance wise, is it still on par? Can i throw it the same things i can on my DHD ?
How do you expect the ICS support to be? We're talking about samsung turf, and they're currently the "good guys" on google eyes, so the systems will always be similar. Yet i remain renitent... I hope others will comment this thread
well if you are looking at the one of the first generations of galaxy tabs (the ones that come with android 2.2), then i think samsung will not officially be releasing ICS on it. however there are some people who are working on porting ICS to the tab. You can find more on that in the development section.
I have a samsung galaxy s, SCH-I500, same as the fascinate on verizons network i think...
the phone and the tab have nearly identical specs, but the tab does feel much smoother. probably due to the increased ram it has.
one thing you can always consider though. 200$ is a good deal, and for what you can buy it for, if it turns out you cant achieve the experience you want on it... how hard will it be to just turn over to someone for the cost you paid? or even a bit more?
i cant really speak for the hd2 or desire hd phones, as i've not played with either. but i suspect the fact that you'll be using the tablet for different purposes would still make it a good buy. so far i think all the apps i have on my phone have ported over to my tab with no issues, seeing as how its pretty much the same OS version.
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well if you are looking at the one of the first generations of galaxy tabs (the ones that come with android 2.2), then i think samsung will not officially be releasing ICS on it. however there are some people who are working on porting ICS to the tab. You can find more on that in the development section.
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Yes, i'm talking about the original Galaxy Tab. Not the new ones with Honeycomb
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I have a samsung galaxy s, SCH-I500, same as the fascinate on verizons network i think...
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I'm in Europe, so no name mumbo jumbo for me. We have the Galaxy S, and the Galaxy S2. No Fascinates or whatever Verizon/Sprint/ATT/Tmouse chooses
(Thank god for that...)
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the phone and the tab have nearly identical specs, but the tab does feel much smoother. probably due to the increased ram it has.
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I've come to accept that RAM is a major player on this OS. It's memory freak, but above a certain point, it's pointless of course (just like a PC).
As it stands, on 2.3.x, anything above 1gb is too much
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one thing you can always consider though. 200$ is a good deal, and for what you can buy it for, if it turns out you cant achieve the experience you want on it... how hard will it be to just turn over to someone for the cost you paid? or even a bit more?
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200€ is a little too much above my budget. 150€ is the most i'll give, expecially for something that's probably 1 year old (i don't mean the release data, i mean the warranty)
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i cant really speak for the hd2 or desire hd phones, as i've not played with either. but i suspect the fact that you'll be using the tablet for different purposes would still make it a good buy. so far i think all the apps i have on my phone have ported over to my tab with no issues, seeing as how its pretty much the same OS version.
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I WOULD be using the tablet. It got sold (bummer) minutes after the OP.
Pitty.... but i'll keep looking...
ah... sorry about the dollar amount... i was doing a rough conversion. 150 euros is about 200 us dollars.
that's something that was kind of getting me discouraged about my search for a 7inch. the lowest price i found before the one i bought was i think 330 USD, which is about 100 more euros than your budget.
thats why the minute i saw the deal, i jumped on it right away.
one thing that seems to be unanimous though, is try and stay away from the wifi only versions of the tab, as they lack in updates (even from samsung), and have little to no 3rd party development.
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ah... sorry about the dollar amount... i was doing a rough conversion. 150 euros is about 200 us dollars.
that's something that was kind of getting me discouraged about my search for a 7inch. the lowest price i found before the one i bought was i think 330 USD, which is about 100 more euros than your budget.
thats why the minute i saw the deal, i jumped on it right away.
one thing that seems to be unanimous though, is try and stay away from the wifi only versions of the tab, as they lack in updates (even from samsung), and have little to no 3rd party development.
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Message received and understood! No wifi.
Don't apolagize, i'm the one that should be.
Still, 150€/$200 is a very nice deal, i hope i can find one again.
BTW, how hard is it to sim unlock this things ?
i couldnt tell you how easy it is to sim unlock the tab... mine is a verizon wireless version, and they dont take sim cards... and i think its locked into their network.
GSM tabs are easy to unlock. Search the forums.
I've actually. Bought 3 of the original 7" tabs recently, all at or below $200 CDN. All were mint condition.
Why 3? Well. Friends keep wanting in on the great deal
The Galaxy tab, while older is still very capable. Compare it to the kindle fire or nook color at around the same price point.
Slap CM 7.1 or CM 9 and you're in a good spot.
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I have been going around and around with these devices. I got the TAB 2 7 P3100 3G from the wife for Christmas after researching both. I could not make up my mind and Christmas was coming quickly so I asked her for the more expensive P3100 (LOL) and I already have a samsung device in the Note 2.
But was still very interested in the Nexus since I have been reading nothing but great things about it. Now this may not be a fair comparison because the TAB is a 3G device that is invisible to my carrier ATT. However I will put that aside and share my impressions after playing with the Nexus solely for the last day and a half.
When I initially put the TAB 2 next to my Note, my jaw dropped at the "washed out" colors on the TAB compared to the Note 2. This lit the Nexus fire and I had to get one now especially since I read and heard nothing but great things about the Nexus screen, When I saw a One day only sale at the Adorama Store on Ebay on New Years day for $229 shipped I jumped at it and ordered an accessories package on Ebay (which has yet to arrive). I immediately put the TAB on Ebay for a high "Buy It Now only price (in the "unlikely" event i would not like the Nexus 7) I am glad now no one bought it after playing with the Nexus over the past couple days.
Initially I loved the all black look of the Nexus with the screen off vs the framed TAB. (small meaningless detail) I also appreciated the slightly narrower form factor and feel of the back cover. The glass was perfect. No build issues here. Looked great although I am not the type who "wears" my phones and devices. I use them.
I immediately unlocked it, flashed a custom recovery and flashed ParanoidAndroid on it. Very nice. I played with it for a day or so. This afternoon I finally I put the TAB side by side with the Nexus and found the Nexus was faster but not all that much. Not enough to say "wow" Certainly not as much as I thought it would be.
What stopped me in my tracks and gave me major pause was when I put the same picture up on the Nexus I initially compared with my Note 2 and had all three side by side. The Note was still much better. No suprise there. But this time the TAB and Nexus were very much the same. The Nexus was not as I had expected. The colors were not nearly as saturated as the Note and in fact almost identical to the TAB on all screen brightness settings In fact I could not tell them apart from a color saturation standpoint. I could however appreciate the denser pixel count on the Nexus when zooming in especially. But Needless to say i expected a much much better screen color quality and much much closer to the Note 2 in color quality. The Note 2 screen is amazing I guess.
USB OTG worked great on both but I don't need it on the TAB with 70GB of usable storage. vs <30GB. I initially had issue with the 64GB card in the TAB which pushed me into the nexus as well early on. But that has been solved. That along with the 3G and phone abilities of the TAB leading me to decide the TAB was the better of the two to keep for my needs.
Initially I thought the choices of ROMs the Nexus development community offered would be a plus but I usually find one ROM and stick with it. I can always get the CM 10 and AKOP ROMS for the TAB along with the TW ROMs.
The front camera on the Nexus is not as good as the rear camera on the TAB although the difference was about as much as the front cameras between the TAB and Nexus. All of them are nothing special. (although I am old enough to remember when 3MB camera was a great addition to a phone!!)
The thing I did like about the Nexus is the USB port but I have loaded up with Samsung "proprietary" USB Cables
and OTG accessories.
All that said the TAN IS A 3g devices and a phone. IF The TAB were the US non 3G model the decision would be much harder. But I would likely lean in its direction because I am used to Samsungs recovery and download modes (although Fastboot took all of 30 seconds to figure out) I expected a whole lot more from the color density and the screen on the Nexus, At the end of the day the additional storage along with the camera possibilities won me over. I am not a gamer so the quad core would likely not be a factor although I did run Need for Speed on the TAb to test it initially and it ran fine.
This is not a knock on the Nexus. It is a great device and for the money the best on paper. but for me anyway the difference were not enough to give up the advantages of the extra storage and free phone and 3G capability, which I could have done anyway using the Note as a hot spot with the Nexus,
Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Of course the colors will be washed out in comparison... Nothing beats super amoled
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Yeah I really didn't pay much attention to the screen specs. I assumed the Nexus would be much better than the TAB likely because of the Pixel density if nothing else. I think if Google/Asus would have put ExtSD capability, headset microphone, and maybe even a better front camera, I would keep the Nexus for the form factor alone.
Once all the 360 case and the rest of the Nexus candy gets here I will throw it all up on Ebay. Thankfully there are AKOP ROMS available for the Samsung.
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Yeah I really didn't pay much attention to the screen specs. I assumed the Nexus would be much better than the TAB likely because of the Pixel density if nothing else. I think if Google/Asus would have put ExtSD capability, headset microphone, and maybe even a better front camera, I would keep the Nexus for the form factor alone.
Once all the 360 case and the rest of the Nexus candy gets here I will throw it all up on Ebay. Thankfully there are AKOP ROMS available for the Samsung.
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Just be lucky you weren't like me.
Bought the Acer iconia a110, was cheap and had similar specs to n7 with hdmi out and sdcard slot.
Played with it for a bit....turned out it wasn't for me. Screen looked terrible, it weighed quite abit more than my 7, brought it back (was an 8gb model) to find the nexus 7 calling my name. I bought the 32gb model with no regrets, great device for the price in my opinion.
Edit : I always see people are complaining about the n7 not having a back camera, seriously a tablet is no device meant for mad photography. Get a nikkon or some **** lol. Front camera is 'OK' Good enough for my Skype calls with my lady :thumbup:
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I wouldn't have minded a back camera on the N7 for Skype. My wife travels a lot and when we Skype I use my phone so I can flip back and forth on the cameras so she can see our baby playing and generally being cute. I could also imagine in the business world it would be useful to show clients whatever in a video conference call. Even if it was a cheap 2.0 megapixel camera, that would have been fine.
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I think the N7 is a great tablet, one of the best and considered the best by some users. You can run almost any app/game without any lag and if you overclock the cpu, it will be even more powerful. First, I wanted to buy a more expensive device, but I looked over N7's performance and price and this was my final choice. I don't regret it!
Lol I hope you are okay with waiting forever for a new update and having your device stop being updated after about a year. Sorry but its just the cold hard truth. We will keep getting updates as son as they are released for quite a while but Samsung has quite a reputation for slacking on updates and dropping devices soon after release.
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Nice review, but you left out one of the most important aspects of any comparison: price. You make it sound like the Tab and the N7 are on equal footing in almost all aspects, but when one costs almost twice what the other costs and you leave that fact out, you are doing a disservice to the readers. On that basis, this is not a fair comparison. I bought the N7 over the Tab 2 because I didn't want or need 3G and I didn't want or need to spend close to $500 for what I wanted a tablet for. When I compared all the specs and credible reviews, the N7 was perfect for my needs and budget. It has not disappointed.
The p3100 runs on your att, which is great. Swap Sims and you're good to go. Since this is the GSM you have a lot more Dev support than the CDMA variant. AOKP is there as well as CM. They have it oc to 1.4 as well. If this suits your needs then run with it, more power to you. I like to stay on the newest builds, that's why I chose what I did. After having many phones by HTC and Samsung and constantly having to choose what I can live without (newest build, working camera, reboots, etc.) I bought a galaxy nexus so I don't constantly wait on manufacturer and carrier hold ups (like my note skyrocket evo, evo 3D) and I am happy. Which is why I went with the nexus 7. When I first saw the HTC jetstream and Samsung note 10.1 I had the itch to buy them. Luckily I didn't, the jetstream is and will forever be on honeycomb and there hasn't been any major Dev work for a year. If you don't need to have the latest and greatest as soon as you can get your paws on it then go with the tab, I would have huge regrets if I chose the one that may not get the next release.
Anyways that's my 2¢ either way you can't go wrong if that is what suits your needs in a 7".
On a side note, you can always eBay your note and tab and get the 3g note 10.1 just food for thought
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You can't be serious. There are nightlies available for the Galaxy Tab as well from CyanogenMod and Milestone. I have never had a device where I'd depended on the manufacturer for updates. Always went with developers. And sometimes the updates are not all that good I would never downloaded the OTA 4.2 update on my Nexus 7 after running it on the tab in having all kinds of Bluetooth issues. The first thing it wanted to do when I fired it up was download that update. I did not selective it. I'll let the new user decide.
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Nice review, but you left out one of the most important aspects of any comparison: price. You make it sound like the Tab and the N7 are on equal footing in almost all aspects, but when one costs almost twice what the other costs and you leave that fact out, you are doing a disservice to the readers. On that basis, this is not a fair comparison. I bought the N7 over the Tab 2 because I didn't want or need 3G and I didn't want or need to spend close to $500 for what I wanted a tablet for. When I compared all the specs and credible reviews, the N7 was perfect for my needs and budget. It has not disappointed.
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I completely agree and I mentioned that but on the face of it the Galaxy Tab 7 without 3g would still be a better choice for me for the reasons I indicated. But I only spent $350 dollars for the Tab 3G. Nowhere near $500. I read a lot of reviews and read this area of X DA, for a long time and decided I needed to have them both in front of me to make a decision. Which took about 2 days.
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The p3100 runs on your att, which is great. Swap Sims and you're good to go. Since this is the GSM you have a lot more Dev support than the CDMA variant. AOKP is there as well as CM. They have it oc to 1.4 as well. If this suits your needs then run with it, more power to you. I like to stay on the newest builds, that's why I chose what I did. After having many phones by HTC and Samsung and constantly having to choose what I can live without (newest build, working camera, reboots, etc.) I bought a galaxy nexus so I don't constantly wait on manufacturer and carrier hold ups (like my note skyrocket evo, evo 3D) and I am happy. Which is why I went with the nexus 7. When I first saw the HTC jetstream and Samsung note 10.1 I had the itch to buy them. Luckily I didn't, the jetstream is and will forever be on honeycomb and there hasn't been any major Dev work for a year. If you don't need to have the latest and greatest as soon as you can get your paws on it then go with the tab, I would have huge regrets if I chose the one that may not get the next release.
Anyways that's my 2¢ either way you can't go wrong if that is what suits your needs in a 7".
On a side note, you can always eBay your note and tab and get the 3g note 10.1 just food for thought
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Oh I thought about that Note, 3G 10.1 but I don't want to carry around a tablet that big I bought one of those for my wife for Christmas as a musician she can use it for the playback tracks or sheet music and replace little Acer she's currently using or at least have a good Backup. I would love to see the Note come in a 6 inch phone version. I wouldn't need both the tablet and phone. In the meantime there's no way I would get rid of the Note 2.
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You can't be serious. There are nightlies available for the Galaxy Tab as well from CyanogenMod and Milestone. I have never had a device where I'd depended on the manufacturer for updates. Always went with developers. And sometimes the updates are not all that good I would never downloaded the OTA 4.2 update on my Nexus 7 after running it on the tab in having all kinds of Bluetooth issues. The first thing it wanted to do when I fired it up was download that update. I did not selective it. I'll let the new user decide.
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that's not what i'm saying. We own a flagship device. Not only do we get the updates instantly, google releases the updates on their website with source so developers can make roms with ease. Its a lot easier to make a ROM for the latest update when google has given you the newest update source code already optimized for your device on a silver platter.
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It sounds like you've already thought of all the different angles, and your mind's made up. Like I said fortunately it's not the CDMA version, my friend bought one and there really isn't any Dev love for that thing. Enjoy your tab 2!
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I used to have the galaxy tab 2 7.0. Had a kernel for it and everything. Unfortunately it was by far the slowest device i had ever used. Slower than my S2 single core HTC incredible and the graphics performance was pretty bad too. CM helped by fixing the graphics drivers and eliminating TW bloat, but it didnt help enough to make me happy with it.
But if you enjoy the Tab2 then go ahead and keep it and enjoy it. Don't let these N7 fanboys phase you
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I used to have the galaxy tab 2 7.0. Had a kernel for it and everything. Unfortunately it was by far the slowest device i had ever used. Slower than my S2 single core HTC incredible and the graphics performance was pretty bad too. CM helped by fixing the graphics drivers and eliminating TW bloat, but it didnt help enough to make me happy with it.
But if you enjoy the Tab2 then go ahead and keep it and enjoy it. Don't let these N7 fanboys phase you
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I'm a google fanboy, being a fanboy of the nexus is just a side effect. Get it right.
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I'm a google fanboy, being a fanboy of the nexus is just a side effect. Get it right.
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A true Google fanboy is a nexus fanboy.
And a true nexus fanboy is a nexus 7 fanboy
And vice-versa.
So one implies the other assuming "true" fanboyism.
Checkmate.
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A true Google fanboy is a nexus fanboy.
And a true nexus fanboy is a nexus 7 fanboy
And vice-versa.
So one implies the other assuming "true" fanboyism.
Checkmate.
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Just because your a nexus 7 fanboy doesn't mean you are a google fanboy. U can like the tablet and not google.
I win
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Just because your a nexus 7 fanboy doesn't mean you are a google fanboy. U can like the tablet and not google.
I win
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Wouldn't that make you an Asus fanboy
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I first want to say that over the years i've had the resource of XDA to let me get the most out of my phones and really appreciate everyone on the site. I'm a huge phone nerd and have owned the following to give some perspective.
HTC EVO 4g
HTC EVO 3D
Samsung Galaxy 2 (Epic 4g Touch)
Samsung Galaxy Nexus
HTC EVO 4g LTE
Samsung Galaxy S3
Apple Iphone 5
and so Ive been on both sides of the HTC v. Samsung war and even tried the iphone(2 weeks and couldnt stand it)each time I try a HTC I come rushing back to the galaxy series. Now that I have the S4 and decided not to even try the One. I decided to write a quick review after the inital 24 hour period.
Got the phone at BB simply due to the amount they were giving me for the S3($250), got the phone and right out of the gate did a factory reset, set the phone up and disabled/removed all the bloatware I could(granted not that much). The build quality is something that is not given its fair due because it still is plastic, but it is a solid high quality phone and rivals any phone ive held.
The screen is hands down the best ive seen including the LCD used in the HTC's and the Iphone. With all the new features and sensors the phone does almost anything you can think of like waking up when the sensors realize you are reaching for the phone! Also another cool thing is controlling my Direct TV or TV with my phone!
The sound quality is much improved over the S3 and I bring this up mainly in terms of bluetooth streaming, bringing back all the gestures the music player is VERY nice.
The 4.2.2 menus do take a little to get used to and this is coming from a touchwiz user for years, but make the experience much more streamlined once you get familiar.
Nothing I have thrown at the phone yet has even slowed it down, from syncing all of my accounts, playing music and browsing the phone all at the same time the phone just keeps chugging along. Which even makes the S3 look slow.
Now on to what has reall impressed me so far and thats the battery life, I charged the phone fully while powered off once i got the phone and trying to run the battery down to allow me to do another full charge has proved to be a chore. With HEAVY wifi, screen time and app use and standby overnight im still at 36% battery!!
All in all i know its only the first day of owning the phone, but i couldnt be any happier or impressed. The hard part is waiting for accesories to come out.
But for anyone on the fence or not sure I would say take the plunge you won't be disappointed, and you will have the best phone out!
Good stuff. Yes, I agree. Some of the gesture features are actually quite awesome....and I've never been a big fan of gestures. But the wake up by reaching towards the phone feature is awesome. I used it twice (unfortunately) last night when I woke up in the middle of the night and wanted to know what time it was.
And yes, the battery life is fantastic. On the first couple of charges, I averaged about 4 hours of screen on time and that's also accounting for me being in a weak 3g area and leaving my mobile data on (for testing purposes).
I also want to add(it won't let me edit my original post) is that i usually always HAVE TERRIBLE service at work and since ive had this phone can actually make and receive calls and texts. And while around town data has been MUCH improved, streaming pandora is no longer something I could only dream of but a reality(with the high quality audio enabled). Browsing the web has been much quicker.
If anyone has questions feel free to ask.
i dont have the phone yet...im still debating if its much of an upgrade frkm the s3....but i do wanna know if it has the feature where u can be on the phone and can browse the net at the same time (s3 has this feature)...tia...
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Thanks for the review. I have the note 2 so I'm debating to get the s4 or wait for note 3. Any dislikes on the s4?
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Thanks for the review. I have the note 2 so I'm debating to get the s4 or wait for note 3. Any dislikes on the s4?
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Nothing yet, though I'm coming from the E4GT so of course it seems a lot better.
It does not have this for 3g, but i have been able to do so while on wifi and have read it is capable while on LTE.
The s3 did do this while on 3g, this might be the only thing ive noticed that the s3 has the ability to do but not the s4.
No i have no dislikes so far for the s4, i think the 5in screen on the s4 is perfect. Ive messed around with the note2 and just not my cup of tea...but in regards to the s4 it has better specs than the note2 while still having a big screen.
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Thanks for the review. I have the note 2 so I'm debating to get the s4 or wait for note 3. Any dislikes on the s4?
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Ok.....I'll bite.
#1 --> Price is too high. Note 2 premiered at this price but is larger and has a digitizer (Phablet). Way overpriced in my opinion compared to other new devices (at least on Sprint).
Coming from the S3, I find the build for the S4 very cheap feeling. It has a bit of a "hollow" sound to it. Also do not like the body style compared to the S3. It is boxier, more like the iphone5 with the chrome ring around it, and doesn't feel as good in my hand. When putting it to my ear it digs in a bit and not comfortable. I would rather see the power button back on top and not stick out so much. Last thing for now is how the camera sticks out (unlike the S3) and the phone sits right down on it.
Once I get a good case for it a lot of these gripes will disappear for me. However, for the cost of the device I was hoping for more.
There are far more positives than negatives but you didn't ask for those.
Do I think it is a worthwhile upgrade from the S3? Only if you have an upgrade to burn or upgrade every time a new phone comes out. Otherwise, an S3 with the right custom rom and tweaks gives a pretty good experience.
My $0.02.
Op.. you said that BB gave you $250 for the S3? How does that work if you don't mind me asking. Do they offer some type of trade in deal or was your contact up? I still have a year to go but the HTC one and the S4 seem very interesting
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My only dislike is how slippery the battery cover is. Coming from the E4GT I got used to the textured battery cover. Its nothing a good case wouldn't fix
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http://www.bestbuytradein.com/bb/QuoteCalculator.cfm?category=mobile-phones
Find your phone on there and print the value off(just in case they try to hassel you) but take the phone in with the charger and anything you have like box or anything(just to ensure you get the highest value)
if you are not out of contract you might want to swap an old phone on your line so the One is not tied to the account. but my S3 was on my line and I didnt have an issue, but they put the value of the phone on a giftcard and then use that gift card towards the s4.
They buy back alot of stuff, i had a couple ps3 games and what not, but just find the value and go to a store.
Was just wondering if anyone had tried the S4 for awhile only to now reconsider going to the HTC One...
What's an HTC One? Never heard of such a device that has the expanding configurable capabilities that the S4 possesses.
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What's an HTC One? Never heard of such a device that has the expanding configurable capabilities that the S4 possesses.
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Lol. I havent played with it - so I have no idea what the features are on that phone.... I'll have a look this weekend.
Before buying the S4, I gave heavy consideration to the HTC One. I watched videos and reviews from multiple sources.
Overall, these are the reasons why I chose and will continue to stick with the S4:
- Battery Life - Our battery is much better than the HTC One. I compared it to a friend who has the HTC One and he was averaging about 2hr 45 min on screen time on a typical day where I've been getting close to 5hrs screen on time.
- Latest Android Software - I know it probably doesn't make a huge difference, but I really like 4.2. The lock screen widgets come in handy. Being able to check my Falcon Twitter and Gmail without even unlocking the phone is a huge plus.
- It's Samsung - What this means is that our phone will still be receiving firmware upgrades all the way into mid 2015. Not saying that the HTC One won't, but HTC is in real trouble, and if they go out of business, that my make things very complicated for current HTC users. Plus, even afloat, I've heard awful things about timeliness of firmware updates from HTC.
So yeah, I bought the S4 and I'm not looking back.
Came from the HTC One. I liked it a lot but the S4 works a lot better for me.
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Nope! I will gladly take a 5" 1080p screen over a 4.7" 1080p screen anyday.
Worrying about pixel density in screens this small is silly, I rather have more useable screen real estate.
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Before buying the S4, I gave heavy consideration to the HTC One. I watched videos and reviews from multiple sources.
Overall, these are the reasons why I chose and will continue to stick with the S4:
- Battery Life - Our battery is much better than the HTC One. I compared it to a friend who has the HTC One and he was averaging about 2hr 45 min on screen time on a typical day where I've been getting close to 5hrs screen on time.
- Latest Android Software - I know it probably doesn't make a huge difference, but I really like 4.2. The lock screen widgets come in handy. Being able to check my Falcon Twitter and Gmail without even unlocking the phone is a huge plus.
- It's Samsung - What this means is that our phone will still be receiving firmware upgrades all the way into mid 2015. Not saying that the HTC One won't, but HTC is in real trouble, and if they go out of business, that my make things very complicated for current HTC users. Plus, even afloat, I've heard awful things about timeliness of firmware updates from HTC.
So yeah, I bought the S4 and I'm not looking back.
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^^ This
Plus, after having previous HTC devices that lost all official support after 6 months or less I will never buy HTC again.
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^^ This
Plus, after having previous HTC devices that lost all official support after 6 months or less I will never buy HTC again.
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Yep. One of my buddies asked me to root his Evo about 6 months ago and I was shocked to have to settle for a Gingerbread ROM. I had thought for sure there would be some stable ICS roms available but every ICS or JB rom had at least one major flaw that my friend wouldn't have been able to live with.
Hell, even my my old LG Optimus V has a stable JB rom.
No removable battery + no expandable memory = no thanks
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No removable battery + no expandable memory = no thanks
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Absolutely
I love the 90s. Good times.
I had a One for about a week. It's a great phone and a really good attempt by HTC. I still miss a couple things from it but everything already described here outweighs everything it has to offer. I always end up back with Samsung.
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Also had the One for a week. It was a seriously great phone. The design of the phone is just gorgeous. Also the weight of it was really nice.
Sense looked and worked great but is not nearly as customizable as tw. And as good as the design and materials seemed, it was not durable or built well in the least. A 2" drop caused some severe corner rash and even a dent. Battery life was excellent but during my first full day with this device, im on track to destroying the htc as far as battery life.
Was def a great attempt and design, but the overall quality of construction and materials is severely lacking. Ill take my new slippery plastic cheap looking s4 over the one all day every day.
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Also the screen wasnt totally flush with the body of the phone. And the top and bottom trim was perfect on the right side, and both hella gapped on the left side. Like I said, great design, poor build quality.
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No removable battery + no expandable memory = no thanks
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^^^ This. Until such time that every manufacturer switches to this unreasonable design thereby forcing me to accept it, I will never purchase a phone (especially at full contract price as I buy most of my devices) that doesn't offer removable battery and expandable memory. I very much dislike having to rely on cloud storage to house the things I want access to at all times.
Having said that, I admit I considered it, because I loved my OG EVO so much (which of course offered both removable batter and expandable storage), until I read a multitude of reviews (mostly positive) but there are some build defects that would absolutely drive my OCD tendencies through the roof, so I opted to stay with the brand I know. Now if they'd just move the power button to the top of the phone I'd be thrilled. lol
I gave this a lot of thought and spent quite a bit of hands on time with both devices before settling with the S4. Every time I think of the HTC One I quickly remind myself of the poor software, camera, ergonomics, and lack of support that HTC provides for their phones. I simply don't trust HTC as a company and the Google S4 helped keep me with Samsung that much more. The minor issues with the S4 will be fixed soon enough and then it won't really be a competition as far as I'm concerned. I'm really curious to how many Ones have been sold compared to the almost 10 million S4s, which came out what, a month after the One. And I actually use the "gimmicky" features of the S4. The other day I was working on my car, hands filthy black, covered in grease and dirt. My dad called instead of missing the call waved my hand over my phone and spoke to him. I don't use these features always but if I'm at work or doing something were I will get dirty I turn them on. I couldn't do that type of stuff on the One. There is also things like the One not supporting quick charge even though it has the same Qualcomm chip? Maybe the metal was getting to hot on charge so they disabled it? Anyway I'm totally content with my S4 and I feel time will just keep reassuring my decision to stick with Samsung. :thumbup:
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Nice big screen, lightweight and slim, plus what Shady said, not a chance!
I, like many above, looked very hard at both before pulling the trigger on the S4. I'm coming off a long line of HTC phones, but my wife has had the S3 for about 6 months. I do all the tweaking of the S3, so I use it a fair amount, and had grown to like TW more than Sense. Plus, the S3 always stomped my HTC Evo 4G LTE whenever we'd be looking something up on the internet, downloading something, etc. We'd be doing it side-by-side, and the S3 was better EVERY time, and usually by a large margain. That really planted the bug to move to Samsung for me.
I've never looked back One-wise. I might have a few minutes of doubt early on while learning the phone, but I'd have just returned it and gone back to my Evo, or bought an S3. But I'm just thrilled with the phone at this point. It really works well. I'm out on the lake fishing and pull up a radar map, boom, it's there, every time. On my HTC, very hit or miss on the same lakes. And the daylight pictures are stunning, something I could never say for my HTC's.
Bottom line, the S4 works like I've always wanted a smartphone to work.
Never. Not even a little bit.
Sent from the rabbit hole.
After the review on the HTC One spoke about how awful repairing it would be and how opening the device pretty much destroys the phone I decided to pass. The S4s "lack of build quality" makes me laugh as the the HTC One's guts are awful whereas the S4 is well put together and its plastic outer materials are more reliable than the aluminum of the HTC One (denting and scratching). Also, as the others before me the unibody design of the One against the removable storage and battery of the S4...NO BRAINER! The Sprint variant also shipped with SIM card so that was a huge bonus for me (in the military so being out of country won't force me to buy a new cheapo phone). Samsung is also more likely to get updates and those updates last longer than HTCs. With a Google version on the way I am stoked as it could very well mean we will get some devs to port some of that amazingness over to the branded variants. Also, I did come from HTC Evo 3D in case you think I'm just another Samsung fan-boy.
GS4 to HTC 1
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Was just wondering if anyone had tried the S4 for awhile only to now reconsider going to the HTC One...
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Yes.
I rooted my EVO 3 years ago in 2-3 carefully researched hours.
I'm into 2 days across macs Linux and windows exploits. Samsung: I'm not very good but if I can't get root this weekend, back it goes!
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Yes.
I rooted my EVO 3 years ago in 2-3 carefully researched hours.
I'm into 2 days across macs Linux and windows exploits. Samsung: I'm not very good but if I can't get root this weekend, back it goes!
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You do realize basically all of us have it rooted right?