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OK HOLD ON, I know this has been asked about WM 6.5 before (which I do not think would be nice to port to the N1...) so please do not get all angry as I have seen others get on those threads...
WP7 seems like it will have some nice games...which has initially brought this thought up... so I would like to know if there may be a possibility of having windows phone 7 on the N1 ?
Those of you who hate WM, ...I hate it too -BUT it does have some nice features, at least it is easily customizable? haha...IDK, I do like android more but just would like to be able to at least play around with windows phone 7 when it comes out without having to switch phones....
you have to admit -the game they show for the WP7 preview is pretty sick looking, and it is just a beginning so just imaging what may come out in the future ?
Now why would I bastardize my beloved N1 with Windows Phone7?....Just to see if it could be done! Hell Yeah I would do it But only if T-mobile doesn't offer a good WP7 device before a dev put WP7 on the N1.
Would be a neat thing for someone to try. But once again, someone would have to sit around and reverse engineer the OS.
That's not necessarily true. HTC will be creating dozens of win7 phones, at least one of them is going to be based on the current n1/desire/evo/incredible platform.
Just a mini review of my HD7 after 4 days use. Coming from an HD2 (with 6.5.5 & Android) and having had mobiles since the classic was the only phone on Cellnet you could get I've used most!
However the HD7 being a first version has it's issues. A couple I have noticed are just stupid - others annoying.
I won't go over how it looks or the tiles or anything like that; this is just my experience of the device as a "phone".
Call quality seems ok - but the moment you get a border line signal you're stuffed. Incoming call audio is fine they just cannot hear you at all. Nothing Nada! You need to get a bar on the signal meter or you've no hope of being heard. My 5800 & HD2 both hang on to a cell signal much longer than the HD7 does.
Phone book is nice however it has a trend to dial the last person called rather than the entry you want - especially if you've gone from call history to the phone book - I don't know how many times I phoned my mum recently (but I am sorry for being a phone pest!!). Again this seems to be a version 1 issues.
But my biggest two grips are that how do you save an email attachment? We've all got things on our phones we want to transfer - Nokia do a lovely app to BT all your old goodies to your new phone - please other phone people take note!
So emailed myself the file(s) I needed - they appear in the email - but no way to save them - I can open the media - just not save it! Great. No "right" finger or "hold" finger menu in email application.
OK then - lets BT the files over ... turn BT on - let's pair with the HD2 and get some files from it. Nope cannot pair with the HD2 in Android or WM6 - says "paired" but unable to connect. Fine. Let's try another way with BT push - nope - paired cannot connect... Bleeeeewwwhhh.
So there does not seem to be anyway to get something from someone on the move sent to your phone. Cannot save attachments and cannot pair with other phones to BT files. Maybe a v1 issue again?
Not too sure on the HD7 at the moment - the wow is nice and yes the interface seems to be working as expected. However loose a data connection and you cannot open the people hub until you restart the device for some odd reason after loading Facebook contacts, and worst still "Lists" no longer works and gives a message about a DLL missing. Great, cannot find a way to un-install it or re-install it. The only menu option is "share" which does not help much really.
I am going to see if there is anything on line about the issues it seems to have. But so far - yes good phone - but WP7 needs some work. Maybe a quick update is needed here Microsoft? HTC seem to have done well getting the units out - not sure if anyone else is seeing similar?
Oh and I would really like a some menus to give some more control over the phone! You criticise WM6.5 for not being very finger friendly - but at least you have some options to change! Where are they hidden in 7 LOL!
So far hardware 10/10 but OS? 2 maybe 3 /10.
Oh and HTC you're being bloody cheap not sending out your top of the range phone with out a sleeve to keep it in, the HD2 has a lovely sleeve and that has saved it many a time - the HD7 I had to spend another £15.00 ($20) on a bumper to keep it safe as no one has the sleeves yet!
So far my HD2 is with me the HD7 is at home - not sure yet if I can rely on it 24/7 as my primary phone.
I would not go as far as to say it is poor - WP7 that is - but I am for one not impressed considering that people must have tried at least once to BT each other something?
You are missing the point of this phone. While I agree on some of your good points (but few) this is supposed to be the Zune phone , the equivalent of the iPhone, basically an eye-candy multimedia-device which should also do basic comunication in a fast and easy way. I also came a long way over the years playing with Symbian & WM 5-6.5 and I loved all the tweeking and extra customization you had BUT to be honest I got bored with it.
As years passed I saw mobile phones becoming the substituent of the PC but also a substiuent of its problems.Just look at the past 2-3 years. Now we have discussions about freckin RAM and GHz when the whole point of the phone was JUST to run smooth and work fine ,not to mention the fact that battery development has been left with the same batteries from 2006 or so.
Basically it just got stucked.I was freckin tired of walking in a mobile shop and seing a bunch of touchscreen with a zillion icons as wallpaper.
Where was the excitement of actually buying a phone for having something new?
That was the main reason since I never bought a touchscreen phone and I have sticked with my (g)old E71 for the time being.
Android is IMO a laggy joke. Yes , it's still lagy and that is why I didn't buy a high-end smartphone untill now , the HD7.
I don't want to pay 400 euros for a laggy interface.
It's been 3 years already since the iPhone and it has still been the fastest OS with no lag until WP7.
Why my view may be a little off-topic I think this was the main idea of the WP7.Getting ridd of those "Really?!" moments.
I want a phone in 2010 which runs fast,smoooth and adds the basic customization(it's where WP7 currently lacks but it's not terrible).
For I-can't-find-my-sfnag.dll-complaiment people should buy/use their laptops
I hope WP7 rises as remembers this "high-end competition" what the purpose of a (multimedia) phone really is
I think yly3 has a point - one of the main features of WM7 (for better or worse) was the increased reliance on cloud storage. Maybe this was why most of the phones we're seeing are only 8Gb.
I think anyone coming from WM6.5 expecting WP7 to be an incremental upgrade, including existing functionality is likely to be disappointed.
What I foresee is mainly 3rd party apps making use of an opened up Bluetooth stack to gain access to your skydrive as if it were local storage. Similarly, having the option to save email attachments to your skydrive would be neat (I believe .docs can be saved)
For me, this is either genius, or a disaster - if you're away from a signal, your files are inaccessible, which is frustrating. That said, I'm rarely away from a signal these days, so maybe it's a non-issue.
Time will tell.
I have been using my HD7 for 2 weeks now, I love it and hate it at the same time. I love it for its smooth, flawless and simple user interface, but hate cause its just too simple... I know and expected that this was a locked up phone before I bought it but.. even some basic functions that I was used to doing on my HD2 was missing. Functions like sending files thru BT from my phone to any BT device. Even some basic configuration like adjusting the volume of the ringer is not clear on configuration page. its just a toggle on/off and not to mention that i can't use custom ringtones? I loved using custom mp3 for ringtones.. cause in a crowded place.. I would now that my phone was the one ringing. And just like steve said...the phone didn't come with a nice leather pouch to keep it safe, for a pricy phone like this. I just wish they would improve wp7 much sooner so I could enjoy using this phone more and get my money's worth.
The first update is due early 2011, so don't get your hopes up for ANY updates untill then. Rumours are that Copy/paste, BT, & Camera are all big factors in the first update.
I can't really complain after a solid 3 weeks of owning the phone. Yes there are a few niggles, but it's MUCH better than Iphones OS v1 was. So looking good imo.
Also all the comments i've seen on this thread appear to be on WP7, not the HD7 itself. Slightly confusing by the Thread title.
well thats good news i don't mind the wait.. but i hope they do fix it with the update... but those are for WP7. the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...it will take time here before i could buy a protective sleeve or rubber whatever. i just hope i don't drop or scratch it with my coins and keys in my pocket. also the camera button is hard to press... wish there was configuration where i could use the touch sensitive keys to take a picture. and speaking of wich.. the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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the comment i have for the device itself (with HTC HD7) is that it didnt came with a pouch like my HD2, as all new phones ...
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I've always been of the opinion that if a phone needs a case, it's a badly designed phone.
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the search key (bing key) really bugs me. i kept miss touching it for no reason.. and bing keeps getting in my way even when i'm playing games
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My first purchase was Need for Speed, and the number of times I've been about to complete a circut, only to nudge the 'serach' button, which kicks me out of the race and I need to start again, is a real pain in the 'a**'.
It would be great if this button could be disabled while gaming, it's just too sensative and close to where you need to hold the phone....
Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
I see what you mean but again this was named Windows Phone 7 , not Windows Mobile 7 and Microsoft stated many times it's something new , build completely from zero.
The main problem of WP7 would be, as you pointed, the lack of choice. Honestly, I don't know how many really use copy-paste. I don't know if I barely used it 4-5 times the last couple of years but that's just me not the whole world. And I am very surprised people still use MMS.
This is also a strategy to have your product upgraded and keep interest in it just like Apple has done it in the last years.
Maybe I am over-excited for finally having something new and fresh offered and according to the constant praise and support of Steve Ballmer this platform will get more updates than we have seen on any other mobile OS so far (it is Microsoft after all) thus having the first update 2 months after the release date.
So, basically I won't go further and maybe I don't have a strong argument against what you said but what I tend to see in nowadays reviews is that most of the people don't seem to get the whole picture and analyze a new phone only by checking their personal list of must-have features (again , agreeing that most of them really are a must).
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Don't get me wrong @poopilot I do like the phone but the omission of a simple sleeve for the phone smacks of cheapness. And anything with a screen this large needs some protection in a pocket or on the desk, all to easy to scratch.
And yes the thread title @Audio could be more specific - but these are my view of WP7 on an HD7 - so it is pretty on topic for HD7 General. The comments would be the same for WP7 for all devices as they are all the same. I am just saying that it is a shame for something so late in the game that all the i & t's were not dotted and crossed before we got our hands on it.
And to @yly3 - your analagy is flawed. If Windows 7 is the succesor to Vista in the way WM7 is to 6.5 - how would you feel if Windows 7 had no control panel, you could not save locally and the only network you could use was Microsofts? I am pretty darn sure you'ld feel agrived. But say if I don't want to share pictures on skydrive - I want to BT or MMS or Twitter or Facebook I want to choose - I don't want to be limited to a single option.
If you play with a Desire you get loads of options for most things - hell I cannot even change the MMS picture size! LOL! Bring on regedit that's all I can say! I must be crazy but you cannot see MS's usability labs having an iphone 1 and thinking "this is all people need, they wont cut and paste or want to do anything other than gaze at the UI"! If you are going to call a phone a smartphone it does in fact need to be smart. Not average.
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There are definitely things that are missing, no question, but I think they've got it right for a first release. If they waited to get everything done then we'd never see the OS. It's completely different to Android, and indeed WM6.5 I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that WM6.5 will be continued alongside WP7. I like the fact that it's all simple to use (and I'm a tech head). Sure it can occasionally be irritating where I want to get into the bluetooth settings for example to configure it more closely, but ultimately I can completely understand why they've done it. All you have to do is go in and turn it on, then choose a device to pair with. It involves very few steps which was exactly the spec for this OS.
I'm sure that in time there will be options to configure things more closely, but they will be hidden away so that you have to consciously choose to go into the advanced settings. Android was real fun for a while, something different, but I actually think that it's far too techy. After a while I got bored of everything being a bit clunky and hidden behind too many menus etc... To use everyday, it's just not that usable, not when you compare it to something like WP7.
I'm really looking forward to writing some apps for WP7 as I think it provides a different challenge - to make your app consistent with the UI and make it as user-friendly as possible. I think the possibilities are massive with WP7, and as long as MS really commits to it, rolls out regular updates to keep on improving the UI - crucially without breaking what it already does - then it could be a huge hit.
Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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Steve_Walker totally agreed with you. WM6.5 has something different but with looking at WP7 ???
I am asking myself why should i get a wp7 phone instead of iphone? And the only reason i can find is 4.3" display .
Microsoft really needs to think clearly and understand they must make something different not a ios kind os.
MS will going to loose much
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) The media player is alot better.
2) Zune Pass.
3) WP7 is alot faster than any iPhone. My entire family has 3GSs and iPhone 4s and they will even admit my phone is alot faster to do anything. I havent even turned my lag fixed Vibrant on this I got this HD7 also.
4) App intergeneration. WP7 really does take this to a different level.
You'd be a fool to say WP7 doesnt have its flaws and bugs, but you'd also be a fool to ignore everything GREAT it does. Android does alot of things well but is anything great? iOS does some great things, but honestly I prefer WP7 over iOS.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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3) That is about hardware not wp7
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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iPhone 4 has better hardware! A4 is better than Snapdragon, and iPhone 4 has dedicated GPU - PowerVGR 535! which is faster than Adreno!
iPhone 3Gs also has dedicated PowerVGR GPU, but don't which model exactly!
So, it's not hadware! it's the OS
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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1) OK
2) I dont care about zune pass
3) That is about hardware not wp7
4) So what? How many wp7 apps out there?
Sorry but as we see you have strong feelings on wp7 and want to defend it too much but even you cant write more then 4 not meaning too much advantages. Because even MS designed it to be a is imitation.
I had hope on wp7 was thinking to sell my hd2 and buy a hd7 because ios and iphone is not a phone for me (dont like them), Android is just what you said does alot of thing but not anything great. But WP7 is worse then both at least for now. Because MS just looked ios and android and copy them with removing all the good features on wm6.5 all the good features i prefer a wm6.5 phone over iphone that is nonsense. most of the users may not care about this but i care.
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You might not care about Zune Pass but for anyone who wanted an mp3 player / phone this is the biggest selling factor. In fact I'd say zune integration is the best thing WP7 has going for it right now.
I am not really defending it that much also. Look my profile and see the last thread I made. I clearly pointed several huge glaring flaws in WP7. In that same thread I said more than 4 good things about it also. Before calling someone out, look at their previous posts; especially when trying to call out their position on things .
Here is a link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=835095
WP7 is missing features 6.5 had but that was a matured and dying (dead now) OS, this is a completely new start. I am not over critical of it becasue i knew going in it was a first iteration OS. And for a first iteration OS it is far better than what iOS and android were. It actually does some things far better than them right now too. It has flaws, but ignoring strength and focusing only on flaws is wrong in my opinion.
I am also confused about your position on the speed of WP7. First you say its the hardware, which android and the iphone 4 have better hardware, and then you say its the OS and that backs up the statement i originally made. The OS is optimized to be faster than both iOS and android. That is a HUGE plus for WP7. It's doing more with less, don't over look that.
Again let me repeat my statement, it does have limitations but everything it does, it does the best. More features will be added with updates.
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i am not comparing iphone vs hd7 hardware. i am saying that with suitable hardware every os can be fast.
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About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
kromosto said:
About speed i am saying that every os can be very fast with suitable hardware. Think like this a wp7 phone with nokia n61 hardware can it be fast ofcourse no. is this wp7s fault ofcourse not so as you cant blame an os for not suitable hardware also you cant say os is good because it runs good on suitable hardware.
also i agree with you about wp7 being a new os and 6.5 is dying but why not use 6.5s good features on a new starting os from the beginning. They are the things which you did better then ios and android so ms should glorify them with using them in the new os.
this is my idea ofcourse i dont except everyone or even anyone to agree with me. wm6.5 with htc sense and cht nearly got all i need. some more social network integration with a really working pptp vpn is all i need with my current setup.
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Because 6.5 and 7 are built on completely different platforms. You can not just pull features from 6.5 and put them in 7 because the programming language is different.
6.5 was good for its time, but do you know the main reason why I hear why people do not want to buy WP7 phones? All the headaches they got from 6.5 devices...
WM left a bad taste in ALOT of peoples mouths and that is still showing in WP7. Yes 6.5 might of been good for some but for most it was complete and utter crap.
Will alot of these features eventually be built into WP7 if enough people want them? I think so, but they will be built and coded to meet WP7's standards.
I sold my HD2 when i bought an HD7.
Last night I installed WP7 on my friend's HD2, and it was working just as smooth as the one on my HD7.
I even hacked the windows live system, (using ceesheim's guide) and it was working fine, so technically, it was fully functional, just like the one on HD7. (Did i mention that even the cam-corder was recording 720p videos?)
I was feeling kinda sad about this thing. I could've just kept my HD2, but i didnt.
HD7 is better for me in some areas: Display is way better, softkeys wont get spoiled by heavy usage (while hard-keys on HD2 do), and the phone just looks more stylish than HD2.
But lets not forget that HD2 has its own advantages as well (being capable of running multiple OS, having removable SD-card, etc), and now with the WP7 released, I'd like to hear your opinions about all this.
Do you think the purchase of HD7 was worthy, or it would be better if we could just keep/buy a HD2 instead so we could use multiple platforms, including WP7?
Please share your opinion. Thanks
I still have both, but I see no reason to use WP7 on my HD2.
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I still have both, but I see no reason to use WP7 on my HD2. It's a featureless OS. You can't do so many things. Not only did MS launch a featureless OS, and then had the gall to shove any updates that would bring features to it till the end of the year, but they even removed features from it in the 2 months it has been out. I used the folder making function in the email apps....made 3 folders for various emails like eBay, Redbox receipts, banking institution correspondence and so forth rather than deleting them...which would delete them off the server...or keeping them on the main screen. Now MS even removes that useful function. What little features WP7 had, MS just removes them till the system is useless.
Not only will I not allow WP7 to stink up my HD2, but as soon as Android is developed for the HD7, WP7 is going to leave my HD7 so fast the water will splash out of the toilet.
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I do agree with you about WP7 lacking many key features; Its a known fact. But i don't want to touch the ever-ongoing war of "which os is better" in this thread.
What I'm trying to say is, WP7 was the reason behind the HD7's success; People wouldn't buy it otherwise, since its the same phone as the HD2. Now I'm asking, will people still buy this device when they can have WP7 on HD2?
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Still have a bad feeling about Microsoft banning Live accounts that use this on their HD2
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I do agree with you about WP7 lacking many key features; Its a known fact. But i don't want to touch the ever-ongoing war of "which os is better" in this thread.
What I'm trying to say is, WP7 was the reason behind the HD7's success; People wouldn't buy it otherwise, since its the same phone as the HD2. Now I'm asking, will people still buy this device when they can have WP7 on HD2?
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Yes, mainly becuase the majority of people who want the phone either a) can't be bothered with the hastle of potentially bricking their HD2 to put WP7 on it, and b) they won't even know it's possible (after all, not every phone owner visits these forums).
I think most people get these types of phones on Contract anyway, so more reason why people will still go for HD7 if they want WP7.
thanks for the answers.
Something interesting that i noticed is the amount of new threads created in the windows phone 7 forum, in the last 24-48 hours; which is after the launch of WP7 on HD2.
Did anyone else noticed this increase of wp7 users during the last two days?
Although many of them are just asking the same basic questions over and over again; but i think its a good sign to see more activities going on in the windows phone section.
I don't mind at all. I love my HD7 and my HD2. Since I picked up my HD7 I was able to pass my HD2 with NAND Android down to my wife. Now she loves her new phone, I have a great new toy (and I do enjoy WP7), and my HD2 is still close by in case I need to play with it.
New products will always be released and old products will always find upgrades through XDA. It how the world goes.
What I really looking forward to are the OTA updates that WP7 will be getting that I would otherwise have to wait for on my HD2 Superphone.
Mr bother has the HD7 and I have the HD2. Quite honestly I don't really like WP7 AT ALL and would never even think of installing it on my HD2. I'll just stick to Android.
I order the HD7 the day wm7 was released for the hd2 not knowing that it was going to be released that night, my hd7 will arrive tomorrow and I have had the weekend using wp7 on the hd2. I really like wp7, I like that it is like no other operating system, very plain but everything seems to be quickly available. The lack, lack, lack of apps is a massive issue as I have an iPhone which does anything and everything so wp7 looks very primitive but I prefer using wp7, there just something about the clean lines and ease of use. Who knows after a week I may just be over it. I will most likely return the hd7 for the fact that it has half the memory of the hd2 being that I will order a 32gb card for it. I know I can do the same for the hd7 but I wouldn't like to be voiding the warranty on such a new and expensive phone.
I will let you know how I feel once I have had a play with the hd7.
shayne the kid said:
Mr bother has the HD7 and I have the HD2. Quite honestly I don't really like WP7 AT ALL and would never even think of installing it on my HD2. I'll just stick to Android.
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Why are you posting here? Go away.
Calm down....Just him opinion, I was expecting to have WP7 on my HD2, but I could not wait....now I have new HD7 and shoot HD2 out my hand...so dont think about that !!!
ok the only bonus with the HD7 is the screen is better colour. The HD7 arrived today and I have already packed it back in the box to return, there is no way I can justify the HD7 being $600 better than the HD2 just because it looks alittle better and has a clearer screen.
Just my opinion.
Hold up, when you put the OS7 on HD2, is it IDENTICAL to the OS running on HD7? or do you still have all the great features of HD2 with a face lift?
For example, do you still have your favorite ppl access tab?
Select all in emails and Sms?
Ability to view multiple email address from one window?
Tithering?
u know important things that HD7 lacks?
or once u upgrade u have an HD7 stuck in a HD2 body?
I will be receiving my HTC HD& today or tomorrow and am very excited. A new mobile OS is just what we need, all the great things that have ben done with previous OS's can now be attempted with mobile win 7. We have so great mind minds out there and I believe in time HD7 will be just as great as the HD2. After being hacked, and modded
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Hold up, when you put the OS7 on HD2, is it IDENTICAL to the OS running on HD7? or do you still have all the great features of HD2 with a face lift?
For example, do you still have your favorite ppl access tab?
Select all in emails and Sms?
Ability to view multiple email address from one window?
Tithering?
u know important things that HD7 lacks?
or once u upgrade u have an HD7 stuck in a HD2 body?
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You are referring to the same operating system, so what you see on the HD7 is exactly what you will see on the HD2 with WP7.
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I've heard of
"Windows Mobile" (with version numbers of 6.5.x, 6.5, 6.1, and lower)
"Windows Phone 7"
"Windows 7"
So what is "mobile win 7" -- some new OS from Microsoft?
From a youtube video I saw, there are some quirks on HD2 with WP7.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZVtyetvVIQ
-Pinch to zoom doesn't work as well, like in the browser or in gallary app
-There are occasional instances where the phone stops responding for a few seconds
for full list of problems, go here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=914485
i doubt these problems will be permanent; once a development community forms, I am sure people will be cooking roms and issuing fixes. just a matter of time.
I've had none of those problems thus far. I also like being able to run Android from the sd card. That is why I bought the HD2 a few months back because I knew I would be able to have both wp7 and android on the same phone.
Right ok... so the "known" problems the Devs are aware of due to the port are not occuring for you.
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ok the only bonus with the HD7 is the screen is better colour. The HD7 arrived today and I have already packed it back in the box to return, there is no way I can justify the HD7 being $600 better than the HD2 just because it looks alittle better and has a clearer screen.
Just my opinion.
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I just don't get why people who frequent these forums with a HD2 are complaining about getting a HD7. What were you expecting? Of course it's not going to be worth buying a HD7. Why would you waste your money upgrading when you can (for now) run WP7 (almost) fine on the HD2? Come on i thought us XDA members were at least a little bit brighter the the Apple community....
So we allready been hearing MANGO 7.5 to be release to download real soon for all people who owns a WP7 phone.
That is great news,
However What does MANGO will have that android dont have ?
And also the big question is, When mango is available. The wp7 marketplace apps wont be much of a change, at this stage the marketplace apps for wp7 isnt that great. Its not as good as android or these apps that are needed the most.
I notice the apps in the marketplace are 80% useless because most of the apps there are either bad design or not worth it. Or social chat apps where you dont see no one using it in your local area.
So i think the big issue from wp7 is that they need to quickly build up more apps and more things in the apps in the marketplace. Because theres nothing that interest me there at all.
There is 1.6 million people around the world using wp7 allready and yet counting.
WP7 came out some what 7 months ago and counting.
I heard there is 15,000 APPS in the marketplace and counting, But from what i see in the marketplace doesnt really look like anything that you can imagine... really 15,000 apps? and yet seen 80% of everything in the marketplace been just useless apps to beging with?
Android apps store has the most succesfull apps there more ratings more downloads.. more interesting and a must to have that app.
While wp7 marketplace apps are just nothing that would interest me much at all.
What ive notice was that wp7 seems to be ONLY more popular on the GAMES hub marketplace... And notice that people are more downloading and raitng the GAMES apps.
But notice that anything other then games apps are just boring or useless or 80% doesnt really be useful in your local state and or country*
So This big MANGO update to be release soon i believe in September 2011.
I hear there is 500+ features that MANGO will have to offer.
I look at some preview demos around youtube today. Notice most things that MANGO will offer is more concentrated to the phone software itself. But doesnt concentrate anything big change at all in the apps marketplace for windows phone 7.
So that concerns me because i as a heavy user for a phone i use the apps more then just making calls.
So i use the apps more i use social chat rooms and apps that i can search for friends in my local area. But non of this is any useful at all in the WP7 apps store at this stage. Because i live in a big city and all i could find is just 2 or 3 users using that apps and that is upsolutely poor.
While ANDROID social chat room apps would have different chat apps where you can find lots more friends who are using that app in your local city or town.
We understand Windows phone 7 has recently just began. Sure i can understand that. And allready 15,000 apps but its hard to believe 15,000 apps allready because really in reality if you focus more into everything that wp7 marketplace has to offer most of the apps there are either (useless for you country) or crab or really dodgy bad design apps or no on in that chat room app to beging with. And yet considering there is like i said 1.6 million people using windows phone 7 phones and no one is in any of these chatroom apps to beging with.
Remember 15,000 apps and counting... there is far more people 1.6 million on wp7 and no one is in these location apps. And notice 80% or so the population 1.6 million users using wp7 are only using the phone to play app games....
But what about intertianment and social and productivity apps ? these things are quite useless there.
Big disapointed because really my idea was that wp7 marketplace would be pretty much as good as android.
I personaly see android apps more usefull in my opinion
but when i search things in the wp7 marketplace there is hardly anything useful in my opinion.
In fact i looked at 10 big things i use the most APPS from android and then i try to search these 10 different apps in the WP7 marketplace to see if wp7 marketplace apps would have these 10 different apps i enjoy and gues what? non of the apps i was searching from these 1 to 10 apps was not available at all in the wp7 marketplace.
So.. that is strange.. considering there is 15,000 apps allready and yet non of it contains the need i like from my top 10 apps that i use the most on android? which is odd... thats why i realise the wp7 marketplace are mainly 80% useless and non interest apps at all.
So about the MANGO is there going to be a big change for the marketplace apps or no change there ?
I would love to hear from you. It is good to hear from people with interest and what they believe about MANGO on wp7 vs wp7 marketplace apps.
Please let us know and tell us things as it is nice to know
best regards
sandra
In all honesty, I like Windows Phone 7 a lot more than Android, and I do plan to switch once Mango is released. I was waiting for multi-tasking and its going to deliver. WebOS style nonetheless.
On the subject of apps, I actually think most of Android's apps are pretty useless myself. Aside from a lot of the great root apps, like SetCPU and BatteryMod, even voltage control, the apps are very... meh... at best. We have the basics, like facebook, and twitter, a bunch of IM clients, and obviously shazam and pandora, you get where I'm going.
But other than the top 25 or 50 apps on android, the rest are HORRID. I'm sure part of the reason is people barely buy paid apps, and another part is lack of app review (which is fine by me) but android apps aren't that great.
Also, Windows Phone 7 is still really young, and its off to a way better start than Android was... Both in terms of apps and OS. The UI is great, and the integration with Zune is solid. I actually still carry around a ZuneHD cause no music player on android comes close.
And yeah, obviously like 450 of those 500 features are something completely stupid. Like a afterglow, or something like that. But I really like where this OS is going and the way its competing with Android and Apple after only 7 or 8 months.
Its almost a love child of iOS and Android. A bunch of form factors, but one unified OS for easy and fast updates.
Sorry for the length.. and don't get the wrong idea, I don't hate android. I just think its really overrated for what it actually is. That, and if it wasn't for xda and its developers, this phone would be long gone.
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Your debate is out of place here, as i already said you in the other thread, HD7 WP7 development is meant only for that purpose.Help, Questions and whatever must goes to General forum.
I don't really think you have got the point of what WP7 is aiming to achieve.
What Microsoft are saying is that you shouldn't need an App to do stuff. It should be built right into the OS, and that is certainly what Mango is all about. Obviously, there is a lot of stuff that they can't and won't put into the OS, which is where the Apps come in, but they want an intuitive and seamless experience for the user so they don't have to launch 3 or 4 different apps just to tag a photo or find the price of a book.
You keep blasting off this "80% of apps in marketplace are useless". Really? Have you been through all 20,000 apps yourself? Don't get me wrong, a LOT of the apps are repetitive, duplicates, or just a general wast of time, but just because most of the apps don't suit you, doesn't mean nobody else wants them either.
And regarding the Marketplace growth post-Mango, i think this is where the really interesting stuff is going to kick in. If the Apps can interact with the OS as fantastically as MS displayed with their IMDB apps and Kindle Apps, then that puts something else truly unique into WP7's bucket of skills.
This isn't really a debate, it's more of a vent by someone who seems misguided (no offence).
I know what you mean market place is rubbish I have read that mango is going to change the market place alot, more people will be making Apps but I believe they are limited at the moment due to limitations on wp7
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I don't really think you have got the point of what WP7 is aiming to achieve.
What Microsoft are saying is that you shouldn't need an App to do stuff. It should be built right into the OS, and that is certainly what Mango is all about. Obviously, there is a lot of stuff that they can't and won't put into the OS, which is where the Apps come in, but they want an intuitive and seamless experience for the user so they don't have to launch 3 or 4 different apps just to tag a photo or find the price of a book.
You keep blasting off this "80% of apps in marketplace are useless". Really? Have you been through all 20,000 apps yourself? Don't get me wrong, a LOT of the apps are repetitive, duplicates, or just a general wast of time, but just because most of the apps don't suit you, doesn't mean nobody else wants them either.
And regarding the Marketplace growth post-Mango, i think this is where the really interesting stuff is going to kick in. If the Apps can interact with the OS as fantastically as MS displayed with their IMDB apps and Kindle Apps, then that puts something else truly unique into WP7's bucket of skills.
This isn't really a debate, it's more of a vent by someone who seems misguided (no offence).
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I agree completely...also, sorry but the only "App" i am waiting for is the Splinter Cell Conviction game i think I might just buy it...
It sounds like to me you should use an android device if you like it so much and as it has so many more apps.
With Mango it will open up loads more APIs for devs to create much much better apps.
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I know what you mean market place is rubbish I have read that mango is going to change the market place alot, more people will be making Apps but I believe they are limited at the moment due to limitations on wp7
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Hi thank you 100% for understanding me. I'm not english background.
But you really sure and knowing for a fact that mango will make the marketplace better with more apps ? I wish i new where you got that information.
Infact mango could easily be just new features for the all WP7 and has nothing to do about everything apps has to offer.
Infact it is upto the maker(s) students and profetionals who creates apps. Not wp7. WP7 dont just make apps themself. And if they do they will only make specified APPS in relation to anything to do with WP7 as productivity. Not just all only females chat room apps. Also WP7 CEO just doesnt go around telling all students and makers who creates apps to come forward to Windows phone 7 marketplace to add apps in it. That is upto who ever uses wp7 obviously. We allready have some of them thats why you see some apps with wp7 but it just needs better and decent apps. There is far too many duplicates and too many rubuish apps that are very useless for me in my country.. Such as apps like tram timetable for britan you think that is going to be useful when im not living in the UK ? nope
or all males only chat app. WP7 doesnt make these things
Aniways all good.
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I agree completely...also, sorry but the only "App" i am waiting for is the Splinter Cell Conviction game i think I might just buy it...
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The only apps im waiting for are a few many from 1 to 10 priorities such as QANTAS. lots of decent popular chatrooms. wp7 is new. But nowdays they could at least speed up or els they will never reach to the point in been number1 leaders.. Because right know at this stage ANDROID are the very very top leaders compare to what WP7 marketplace is.
Will see about that
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It sounds like to me you should use an android device if you like it so much and as it has so many more apps.
With Mango it will open up loads more APIs for devs to create much much better apps.
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Well yes you are correct in one of them. I should of gone with an android phone. But nevermind.
I do hope will see something much much beter and even decent and better apps. Because almsot everything they offer is just rubish and sorry for my rudeness about that word but i look forward to MANGO otherwise and see what is really new.
They say there is 500 new features.. yet i wondering exactly what all these 500 new things are.. Sounds almost like a complete brand new phone in my oponion and i wonder how much left or memory ram will my phone have if install MANGO.
I only have 11GB left on my phone not alot. I bet mango will eat almost half more. ending up with just 8 or less GB.
Remember 500 new features is alot and each thing eats away something MB to even a 1GB to beging with depends what it is.
To get to the point of it all.... It sounds like anyone whos on WP7 are not as crazzy as they are with these on Android devices.. Perhaps who knows... perhaps you choose a wp7 phone because you rather enjoy only games or just browse the internet with it. But if you came from android and enjoyed android so much you will know exactly where i am comming from.
However all this new MANGO is something brand new.. big change. But like i said im very worried how much of ram and space will eat away from your HTC HD7 phone. Since it never came with much GB to beging with.
PS. sorry for my type in english as it is not the best. Im sure the moderators are kind enough to understand me. And would be good to hear from people. After all it keeps the forum active with all respect.
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Well yes you are correct in one of them. I should of gone with an android phone. But nevermind.
I do hope will see something much much beter and even decent and better apps. Because almsot everything they offer is just rubish and sorry for my rudeness about that word but i look forward to MANGO otherwise and see what is really new.
They say there is 500 new features.. yet i wondering exactly what all these 500 new things are.. Sounds almost like a complete brand new phone in my oponion and i wonder how much left or memory ram will my phone have if install MANGO.
I only have 11GB left on my phone not alot. I bet mango will eat almost half more. ending up with just 8 or less GB.
Remember 500 new features is alot and each thing eats away something MB to even a 1GB to beging with depends what it is.
To get to the point of it all.... It sounds like anyone whos on WP7 are not as crazzy as they are with these on Android devices.. Perhaps who knows... perhaps you choose a wp7 phone because you rather enjoy only games or just browse the internet with it. But if you came from android and enjoyed android so much you will know exactly where i am comming from.
However all this new MANGO is something brand new.. big change. But like i said im very worried how much of ram and space will eat away from your HTC HD7 phone. Since it never came with much GB to beging with.
PS. sorry for my type in english as it is not the best. Im sure the moderators are kind enough to understand me. And would be good to hear from people. After all it keeps the forum active with all respect.
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Sandra,
You keep on going on about 500 new featuers. You will not see over half of these new features on the phones it self, these are APIs so that Devs can take avantage of building more and new exciting apps. You are confusing your self up about the MANGO keynote are for developers and not really for the general public.
You really don't understand on how developing works and MANGO will not take up loads of space on any of the phones that use WP7.
You need to research more about APIs and you should understand a little......
Hey guys,
Bought an Evo 3D and am still within my month to return it. I am a heavy M$ Office User and the new Mango features seem to have better overall integration between People and Email/IM's, etc than Android.
Question, should I dump the EVO 3D and get an HD7 and run the Mango beta?
if i was you i wouldn't, i think evo 3d is awesome and it's the best phone's out there.
The problem with the Mango beta and current WP7 releases (NODO and 7004) are that they are still either unfinished (Mango) or lacking in features. However, you can be sure that the software will utilize the hardware to its full potential as WP7 is just as smooth as iOS and just as snappy as the new dual core devices. The EVO 3D, while a monster on paper, cannot take advantage of its hardware as Android is yet to be optimized for multi-core devices (why the Nexus S is single core). There is still no guarantee than Ice Cream Sandwhich (if the EVO 3D receives it) will fully take advantage of the hardware. All Windows Phone 7 devices are basically guaranteed updates and the Mango update will bring the software up to date with its competitors.
In the end, its your choice. I personally find no use for dual cores apart from heavy multitasking and a great way to boast about your smartphone. WP7 is just as snappy, if not faster than the EVO 3D since the Sense overlay on the EVO heavily drains system resources. If you want 3D however, then you know what to choose.
All the speed etc is kind of a given at this point. I am most interested in the Contacts / Calendar / Phone / Messaging integration.
For instance, i want to be able to pull up a contact and instantly access all of the emails, calls and messages I have to them. Android doesn't do this well. Does Mango?
Mango is able to pull a list of all the calls, texts, messenger, FB chat, wall posts, and emails from a particular contact or a specific group of contacts. Twitter presumably will also have this functionality in a later build of Mango.
Just stick with the evo3d the hd7 mango is only a beta don't take the risk. The evo3d is already completed.
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I've played around with the EVO 3D a bit and it's a pretty nice phone. The 3D effect is hit or miss, I have a hard time getting it just right, but aside from that it's a good phone. Wait til Mango is officially out and then decide, if you're still feeling like it you could pick up a super cheap HD7 by that point, or you could sell the Evo 3D and jump ship to a newer Mango phone.
I'm running Mango beta on my HD7 I can guarantee you that you will not want to go back to Android this **** is amazing the people hub the info for each of your contacts has everything number,email,Facebook pics,text call and chat history. The live tiles in mango are nice they show more info.
A little of topic but were do I get mango beta for my HTC hd7?
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A little of topic but were do I get mango beta for my HTC hd7?
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This is how I got it.
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11
Nexus vs HD7
I have the Nexus S ... when i saw the beta (mango 7.5) i ran and got me a HD7 last week... Now i love the flow of the interface!! Mango makes the phone a lot better from what I played with a few months ago (beside HTC makes ****ty Phones **** signal all around town)... only problem i have is the Contacts!!!! when importing contacts from google.. No custom labels, not able to have more then one Mobile number, but you can have 2 home number WTF!!!! not able to assign custom ringtone to individual contacts . if they **** all that with some good hardware i will trade on android in a heartbeat
One more thing to consider is whether the boffins out there will come up with a Mango port for the Evo 3D?
This never happened on the EVO 4G with W7 because, well, W7 sucked and no one really wanted to bother. But if Mango is all that, we may get a better effort.
My evil plan
Ok, here's what I have decided to do:
For today only, if you sign up for new service on T-mobile, the HD7 is FREE. I also have 20 days to try it out and see if i like it.
So, basically I ordered the phone (which I will get tomorrow) and will try out Mango on it. If I like it I will keep it and cancel Sprint. If not, it goes back and I only lose the pro-rated portion of my $79.95 monthly unlimited plan (MUCH cheaper than Sprint's plan BTW).
Results
Well I got my HD7 and have had some time to play with it.
My overall reaction is as follows:
1) It is sloooooow. Surfing the web even on wifi was torturous.
2) The screen sucks. Web pages looked flat and pixelated.
3) I had forgotten how "limiting" W7 feels after the full blown freedom of Android. I sensed I was working in a box with few options. This is twice now I have looked at W7 and both times the main thought that occurred to is wondering why the hell it took MS to put this out - there is really so little to it.
4) I am not even going to bother trying to install mango on this because there is no way I will keep this hardware - did I mention it is slooow?
I think my main problem is that I have been using an EVO 3D prior to this and I am just completely spoiled by the amazing speed and beauty of the screen.
I will be sending it back tomorrow. Will look at W7 again in 6 months when Mango is official and they have some quality hardware to go with it. I am glad did this because I basically scratched an itch and I also now appreciate my EVO 3D about 100 times as much.
I have an HD7, and mango beta preinstalled, and although I like the feel and things you can do with WP7 its still not a complete package.
SO yeah you made the right choice, as for Me I will wait untill NOKIA releases their WP7 phones, as I still believe they have the best hardware then any mobile maker and hopefully wp7 might work wonders for them
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Well I got my HD7 and have had some time to play with it.
My overall reaction is as follows:
1) It is sloooooow. Surfing the web even on wifi was torturous.
2) The screen sucks. Web pages looked flat and pixelated.
3) I had forgotten how "limiting" W7 feels after the full blown freedom of Android. I sensed I was working in a box with few options. This is twice now I have looked at W7 and both times the main thought that occurred to is wondering why the hell it took MS to put this out - there is really so little to it.
4) I am not even going to bother trying to install mango on this because there is no way I will keep this hardware - did I mention it is slooow?
I think my main problem is that I have been using an EVO 3D prior to this and I am just completely spoiled by the amazing speed and beauty of the screen.
I will be sending it back tomorrow. Will look at W7 again in 6 months when Mango is official and they have some quality hardware to go with it. I am glad did this because I basically scratched an itch and I also now appreciate my EVO 3D about 100 times as much.
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Slow? As in laggy? The Mango browser is much faster than the one that comes with Nodo if you are wondering. And Mango hardware basically means a Qualcomm MSM8255, another single core chip.
WP7 is not made for full blown customization that you get on Android. It is directed towards those who don't prefer to sit all day moving around widgets and icons, but would like a phone that they can glance at and go. Part of the beauty of the OS is the simplicity itself. I have seen enough Android homescreens ruined by heaps of icons and mismatched widgets.
You are one of the few people who have complained about WP7 being slow. Perhaps your device is faulty, but my HD7 is perfectly fast and fluid.
What are you people all about, if you like the hippy os ea Android, buy one. WP 7 is the best so far, for so many reasons.
He most likey purchased the phone which, out of the box, doesn't have NoDo installed. I had to update my girl's when she got hers. The browser and loading of apps is slow compared to NoDo phones. Update to NoDo the phone gets faster. Update to Mango, it gets super fast. There are no android phones that I've seen, thus far, including the Evo 3D, that is as fast as the Mango build. And, that's a beta.
I have a DVP and am gonna jump at the first Nokia device that hits Tmobile. Samsung device looks nice but Sammy scares me with their screwy firmware and slow updates (they do this on android too). We may also see some other interesting HW for WP7. The rumored Eternity from HTC looks nice. But, 4.7" screen is kinda on the large side. Don 't wanna feel like I'm talking into a laptop.
You know what I think....
The hardware like EVo 3D running WP7 Mango
I ditched the whole Wp7 thing and went back to the best . Android FTW!