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I'm looking for a Tab, but Transformer seems to big for me. P1000 is the perfect size, but it is pretty old device. Is it still worth buying today?
Thanks.
If you think 7" tablet is a perfect size for you then why not, the Galaxy tab is only 1 year old and it still stands against any other alternatives out in the market today.
I would hardly say just because the tablet is "pretty old" that it isn't a good purchase. It's well supported by developers and the fact that people are still purchasing it... Its a solid working and built piece of kit.
You won't be disappointed.
I would say that they are definitely still worth it. The price point alone is a great reason. You can get a Galaxy tablet for less than half the price of many of the newest tabs.
It's already been shown that these models are capable of running the new firmwares. There are ports of Honeycomb out there already, and though there are still some issues to be ironed out, they work pretty well. Since installing a 2.3.4 rom on my vzw tab, I've been very impressed with how responsive and cleanly it runs.
Having handled some of the newer and larger tablets, I've found that the smaller size is really more ideal to me personally. I can fit my Galaxy tablet in my pocket. My folks for example both have iPads, and they are just much larger and bulkier devices. You can't drop one in your pocket real quick while you are out on the run.
Anyway, hope that helps!
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I would say that they are definitely still worth it. The price point alone is a great reason. You can get a Galaxy tablet for less than half the price of many of the newest tabs.
It's already been shown that these models are capable of running the new firmwares. There are ports of Honeycomb out there already, and though there are still some issues to be ironed out, they work pretty well. Since installing a 2.3.4 rom on my vzw tab, I've been very impressed with how responsive and cleanly it runs.
Having handled some of the newer and larger tablets, I've found that the smaller size is really more ideal to me personally. I can fit my Galaxy tablet in my pocket. My folks for example both have iPads, and they are just much larger and bulkier devices. You can't drop one in your pocket real quick while you are out on the run.
Anyway, hope that helps!
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I live in eastern europe and here the tab's price is almost the same as Transformer's. And that one has Tegra 2 and a nice 10.1' IPS display. They are both here 540 USD / 380 EUR. I tried Iconia A500 Tab, but I was quite disappointed - it was very heavy, typing text while trying to hold with one hand was challenging. The OS and that big display sure looks great, but for now I can't see my self taking this out in the street while walking, or chatting (IM) while sitting in the bus on my way college. How much is the P1000 in the US? Or UK?
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I live in eastern europe and here the tab's price is almost the same as Transformer's. And that one has Tegra 2 and a nice 10.1' IPS display. They are both here 540 USD / 380 EUR. I tried Iconia A500 Tab, but I was quite disappointed - it was very heavy, typing text while trying to hold with one hand was challenging. The OS and that big display sure looks great, but for now I can't see my self taking this out in the street while walking, or chatting (IM) while sitting in the bus on my way college. How much is the P1000 in the US? Or UK?
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In the UK, the P1000 (if you can find any in stock) still goes for around £399 and the P1010 is currently in bestbuy/currys for £299.
But search on ebay or other sites, you can find one for a lot cheaper. I got mine brand new from ebay for £250 (P1000).
Of course, these will probably fall in price when newer alternatives comes out but for now, they are holding its value as they are still popular and people are buying them.
I just bought one today. So far I am happy with it.
I have seen the US models selling new for between $150-200 when you buy from a mobile provider. For example, I know Verizon was selling them earlier this year for $200 when you agreed to a two year service agreement. I've also seen the WiFi only tablets for $350. Personally, I was willing to sign a contract, because having the 3g data access was something I desired.
But, I would do as one of the other posters suggested, and check ebay. As I understand it, you can buy a US model and put a European firmware on it. I would double check that though, as I don't want to tell you something I am not entirely sure of.
Got mine a month ago in aussie land, on a 12 month contract. 0 dollars for the tab and $39 a month for the plan with 8g of data and I get 3 months of the plan for free. Was really happy with that price.
Got mine in Italy for 300 Eur. Best purchase of the year: perfect balance between pocketability and readability, and with Gingerbread it is lag free and quick.
Rumours are that Samsung is going to present a revamped 7" tablet w/ upgraded cpu and amoled screen. I won't upgrade unless it has usb host or otg, which is the feature I miss much on my Tab.
Ernesto de Bernardis
N900 - Galaxy Tab 7"
Nothing wrong with the P1000. Good support is important. Even if it's a year old it still beats an ipad. Good resolution and speed, and very complete. Very sturdy, durable Gorilla glass.
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If 7" tablet is your preference, get a HTC Flyer or Huawei Ideos Slim?
Unless u want the voice call/sms capabilities
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Got mine in Italy for 300 Eur. Best purchase of the year: perfect balance between pocketability and readability, and with Gingerbread it is lag free and quick.
Rumours are that Samsung is going to present a revamped 7" tablet w/ upgraded cpu and amoled screen. I won't upgrade unless it has usb host or otg, which is the feature I miss much on my Tab.
Ernesto de Bernardis
N900 - Galaxy Tab 7"
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Any Samsung official reading this would love to put usb otg and make you upgrade
While for me, I ll try not to upgrade, but the amoled screen might tempt me.
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I'm looking for a Tab, but Transformer seems to big for me. P1000 is the perfect size, but it is pretty old device. Is it still worth buying today?
Thanks.
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I bought mine last month, and I love it. My pocket is not that big to fit in the tab, so I bought a small bag to bring around. I was confused whether buying Galaxy S (for super amoled and small factor) or Galaxy Tab (for bigger screen to read ebooks). Well, its worth buying
I bought one a couple of weeks ago, and am very happy so far. Yes, it's a year old - but the screen is very good (much better than alternative 7" tablets'), it's relatively cheap & there's lots of development going on with it.
The next 7" from Samsung is set to have an AMOLED screen & will probably be dual-core, which will be awesome, but I wanted something now & wasn't prepared to 1) wait & 2) pay much more than I did...
Make sure you root & stick Overcome ROM on it! It becomes a different animal once you do!
Got an Asus Transformer for the home/travel, but day to day chucking in pocket (albeit large pockets), still love the Tab. Got it for 200bucks so can't complain.
If I had to pay full price? I think I'd skip, for that price a newer 7" tablet would still be preferred.
Main thing it comes down to though is where are you, and do you need voice? if so, Tab might still be perfect for you.
It's a good question to ask here, as the answer isn't obvious. Without a tablet, I would, if I had the cash, get the Tab again. It's portability still makes it a winner for me.
Waiting for the next model is ok, but... these things always seem to take 6months longer than initially planned it appears.
Thee galaxy pad still a good tab/phone. its fast, not to big and have a lot of apps/games that works so...
Galaxy tab worth to buy.why?
The best tablet for 7 inch tablet.
Equiped with microsd,simcard for mms,sms,3g and telephone
the best size to carry around even easily beat ipad
Development of Custom rom and stock rom are always up to date
unless samsung release new 7 inch tablet with dual core processor and amoled sceen
then it is not worthy anymore to purchase
When I got the P1000, my standard in speed and responsiveness on android began to change. I began to compare the Qualcomm chipset based androids vs. the Hummingbird of Samsung. The P1000 (and the original Galaxy S Plus which runs the same thing) is really good and even better can match the next gen Qualcomm. See how the original Galaxy S graphics even beats the Galaxy S Plus (newer release), is because of the same speedy setup done before.
The P1000 is a very good device. Really crazy why Samsung shortchanged many unknowing people as they downgraded the P1010 with an inferior chipset and graphics.
Is there already a dual core 7" as good as the P1000? The Dell Streak 7 besides abit more massive has a problem with batt life. Archos I didn't bother to consider. Is there anymore? The Galaxy Tab 8.9 is coming out better (dunno when), but it is not 7". Nothing compares that I know... for now.
I've only had mine for about a week, I bought it second hand for a great price and I love it so far. I use it more than my laptop and my Asus Transformer. I LOVE the size. The 10" tabs you pretty much need to use both hand to hold it all the time, the G.Tab easily in 1. Plus being able to type with both thumbs instead of finger pecking is a HUGE plus.
Yeah, the Galaxy Seven will probably be out in a couple months but if you need one now then it's a great little tab.
I was at the shop today again, played with XOOM and again with Galaxy Tab. Damn its size is just perfect and the screen so detailed and feels high quality. But then I tried to do what I do on My N900 (Maemo 5 OS), and WOW :O IT CAN NOT MULTITASK. I never noticed that! You can not have skype online and browse the web while listening to music. I asked the guy at the shop. He confirmed, just some can "run in the background" but there is no task switcher... Maybe you can make it multitask? On iOS i have backgrounder and Kirikae and it works like a charm, can you do the same on android?
Skype online while browsing the web and listening to music? won't the sound conflict?
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I just saw that Bestbuy will be selling the Dell Streak 7" with Honeycomb installed for $160. I saw this right after I finally decided to go ahead and buy a Kindle Fire. Now it seems almost like a no brainer to get a near full featured tablet with the same size screen as a Kindle Fire but for $40 less, but it also seems too good to be true.
So I wanted to know, are you all happy with your Streak? Would you say that $160 is worth it.
I really appreciate any input.
Thanks.
I felt in love with Dell Streak 7 already, too bad that I bought this for my gf, and giving it to her tomorrow. Dell Streak 7 is a good tablet, of coz the resolution is not high so it doesn't let you play all the HD games and you don't have much RAM to play heavy games, but if you use it for entertainment, relax with no "tough" game then it is better Kindle Fire. And of coz this is just my opinion. To be frank, I don't play much with my Iconia A500 since I got this
Very much so! I love this little bad boy underdog.
I am happy with mine. I wish the screen had a little better resolution. Bluetooth tethering to my phone is a snap. I basically wanted something that was like my phone but larger and it works just perfect as that. Its much easier and faster to use than having to drag out my laptop.
I initially liked my DS7 but over time it began to annoy me. The screen began to make my eyes hurt when reading and the battery would run down quickly. I ended up getting several Nook Tablets for the family and for my purposes, I'm more satisfied. The NT screen is much sharper and the battery lasts hours longer than the DS. I only used the camera once and never used the GPS so the trade is worth it since I mainly use my tabs for reading, surfing and light game play. I did initially miss the variety of apps but someone came up witha workaround and now I can sideload with apps free sites and Amazon app store.
I like my Dell Streak 7, the 7 inch size and weight is much more handy then my 10.1 inch tablet in its portfolio case. Basicly the compact handling of a phone with a readable (as opposed to squintable) screen size. Screen resolution has not been a problem infact it is a nice match to Netflix.
The short 4-5 hour battery life is the only aspect I wish was better.
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The short 4-5 hour battery life is the only aspect I wish was better.
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Is that for a mix of usage or for straight video watching?
With my rooted DS7, using SetCPU and setting up custom profiles, I tend to see about 4-5 for watching vidoes, but get about 6-10 hours for playing games, and a 4 day standby time.
The battery isn't a major issue for me. Not a fan of the stock launcher though. Really want to use LauncherPro, but it keeps fc'ing. Anyone have any suggestions on other LauncherPro like launchers?
Also for some reason, I can't listen to voicemails with Google Voice. Still got to figure that one out.
Device does not support WiFi channels 12-14, makes a noise when speakers are enabled, batery life is not so good, WiFi signal is worse than other tabletst, display is very bad (angle/resolution), also the device is clumby (fat and heavy)
BUT
it is very cheap and very fast. im fine with it so far, but i might switch to another device.
got one form BEST BUY. still on the way.!!!! but I'm Sure the screen not the BEST!
so far so good only one problem it is not reading from SD Card.
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I just saw that Bestbuy will be selling the Dell Streak 7" with Honeycomb installed for $160. I saw this right after I finally decided to go ahead and buy a Kindle Fire. Now it seems almost like a no brainer to get a near full featured tablet with the same size screen as a Kindle Fire but for $40 less, but it also seems too good to be true.
So I wanted to know, are you all happy with your Streak? Would you say that $160 is worth it.
I really appreciate any input.
Thanks.
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No I am not. And Don't buy a streak 7 given so many much better choices out there in the market.
My DS7 was a total disaster now I see it. It was my first tablet and I was inexperience to make an informed buy. I bought from TMO store on the release date and then found that no Dev is supporting it.
Eventually I participated a donation led by someone else and we send a device to DJ Steve who became the one and only dedicated dev on DS7, who are also working on many other devices at the same time.
Screen horrible, battery horrible, TMobile 4 G signal always break down for no reason and requite a reboot to get it back. GPS NEVER works well for a trip without a hiccup. This is my third DS7 already because I exchanged the previous 2 with Dell because all sorts of reasons.
Since you are asking advise I assume you won't want to listen to holiday choirs and holy praises. I am the bad guy who is critical.
Bottom line, DONT BUY A DISCONTINUED PRODUCT WITHOUT DEV SUPPORT.
I'm thinking about what 7-inch tablet i'll going to buy: Dell Streak 7 or Lenovo A1.
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No I am not. And Don't buy a streak 7 given so many much better choices out there in the market.
My DS7 was a total disaster now I see it. It was my first tablet and I was inexperience to make an informed buy. I bought from TMO store on the release date and then found that no Dev is supporting it.
Eventually I participated a donation led by someone else and we send a device to DJ Steve who became the one and only dedicated dev on DS7, who are also working on many other devices at the same time.
Screen horrible, battery horrible, TMobile 4 G signal always break down for no reason and requite a reboot to get it back. GPS NEVER works well for a trip without a hiccup. This is my third DS7 already because I exchanged the previous 2 with Dell because all sorts of reasons.
Since you are asking advise I assume you won't want to listen to holiday choirs and holy praises. I am the bad guy who is critical.
Bottom line, DONT BUY A DISCONTINUED PRODUCT WITHOUT DEV SUPPORT.
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What other products are there? Currently it's the cheapest (mid/high end) 7" tablet available, it's main competetors are the gtab7/+ which is either lower specced or more expensive. It was just sold for $160 on black friday new and can be found pretty easily for
~$250 on ebay in good condition.
Sub $200 tabs cant compete with it as they have very low end internals.
The S7 with Froyo and the s7 with Honeycomb are completely different devices (not literally, but the way it works)
I didnt buy mine until black friday as I so no point with froyo on it, but it's pretty great with HC.
As for the 4g, I honestly dont see the point of a 4g tablet, I have the wifi one and simply tether to my S5 (and also avoid paying a 2nd line just for data)
The GPS is rather weak on it, but in my case the wifi one is likely worse at wifi then the 4g one. It works with some hiccups.
So what if it'd discontinued, even if dell did support it for another 6 more months, the most we'd get is like 3.2 -> 3.2.2/3.2.4, there's no chance it'd get updated to ICS.
You have your warrentee, they're not gonna magically/instantly null it, they're still gonna support active warrentee owners until they all expire. (it might become them only offering refurbs but this is still support)
Bottom line: for $190-240 there's really little competition, it's either the S7 or the gtabs.
The Gtab 7 is slower but about the same price
The Gtab 7+ is faster but more expensive
The Lenovo A1 is slower but about the same price
How about nook tablet or kindle fire? Since people here enjoy custom rom anyway, os on these two won't be a problem I guess
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Hmm that is a good point, I had forgotten about those.
Depending on how you look at it, they only run GB and not HC/ICS.
If you wanna use it as a normal android tablet, they're not currently ready for that purpose as they dont have any stable roms yet.
I do believe the kindle is slower, but it'd definitely got more devs, and when CM9 hits stable it might be a pretty good choice. It's tegra 2 vs CM9 for the same price point.
I cant say much about the nooks, the old nook is much slower but cheaper and will likely get CM9 (it already has CM7), I dont read much at all about the new nook except I expect it to also get CM9 eventually.
I assume the S7 will still be the fastest of all 7" tabs except vs the gtab7+.
The nooks and kindles are advertised as ereaders, with the kindle as kina ereader+multimedia. They're not advertised as full on tablets so they can be underpowered for their age.
jiwengang said:
No I am not. And Don't buy a streak 7 given so many much better choices out there in the market.
same here. i get more and more unhappy every day. multitouch works only to up to two fingers. you are right about gps, i tested it and got only 2 satelites in 2 minutes while standing in the garden.
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alex2308 said:
same here. i get more and more unhappy every day. multitouch works only to up to two fingers. you are right about gps, i tested it and got only 2 satelites in 2 minutes while standing in the garden.
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There is a fix for that
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1085354
I lock on in 30 seconds.
I guess I look at it as being the best $160 tablet I've ever owned. The only issue is the battery life, but I can charge it twice a day for the hundreds I'm saving over comparable devices.
The screen sure does take a lot of flack on the Streak 7, but if you look for the silver lining, just about every app works at that resolution. You don't have some of the scaling issues that higher resolution tabs have.
I also hear a lot of comparisons to the Fire and the Nook...and, if they get root and a good custom ROM, then they might be better for "basic" tablet functions, but if you want full tablet functions out of the box, with all the cameras, mics, GPS, etc...then the Streak is still a better option.
Ah well, this forum is pretty much dead, so I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears (or blind eyes?).
I'm happy though!
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I guess I look at it as being the best $160 tablet I've ever owned. The only issue is the battery life, but I can charge it twice a day for the hundreds I'm saving over comparable devices.
Ah well, this forum is pretty much dead, so I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears (or blind eyes?).
I'm happy though!
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I bought a Dell Streak 7" last week that was a couple of months old for $150. It came with Froyo but I upgraded to Honeycomb and it's like having a different tablet, really nice for what it is.
It's not an iPad2, Asus Transformer, Xoom, Acer etc. I looked at all of those tablets two days ago and the screens on them are very much nicer, but...they cost $300-$400-900+, not $150. The Streak is a real tablet not one of those $100 unknown brand Android tablet gadgets that last a week. The wifi and GPS work great along with having Honeycomb now I really like it.
I owned an iPad2 for 4 months and it is a fantastic device, it also cost me $1000 for wifi/3G and a Smart Cover. I've had the Evo4G since Aug. of '10 and love Android so in the future I'm thinking about the Asus Transformer that's coming out later this month. It will cost 2 to 3 times as much as the Streak, it will have a beautiful screen, and be worth the extra money no doubt.
I use the Streak for Flying and it is outstanding for various Aviation moving map programs. For $150 instead of $1400-2500 for a Garmin GPS aviation unit it is a bargain.
So you're not alone, the Dell Streak 7 does what it's supposed to for a reasonable price, and I like it too.
DC
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For $150 the S7 is still a good deal.
Looking at reviews for the Gtab2 7", it might be a good sucessor to the S7 now.
The Gtab1 7" didnt compete with the S7 as it was around $325(?), but the Gtab2 7" is only $250 new.
For anyone looking at a ~$200 sucessor/replacement for the S7, the Gtab2 7" might be a good deal?
The only other real competetors in the ~$200 were previously the kindle fire and the nook, and the S7's definitely more powerful then those.
There's also the "nexus tab" that's been informally announced, that's supposedly to compete in the 7" range,
but it is supposedly going to be $200. Either goog will sell it at a loss (which is possible) or it wont be much faster then the S7 still.
(Tegra2 isnt new anymore, but it's by no means old yet)
If and when ICS becomes more mature for the S7 you can list it as a product point now (as far as we're concerned),
but it's still got a ways to go (not surprising though, you cant expect a stable port like this in this short time from 1-2 people).
The Gtab2 7" launches with ICS, I would expect the "nexus tab" will launch with ICS, and the kindle/nook are "android-flavored" and dont techincally run android (anything that doesnt have gapps is techincally not android as the android branding is licensed).
Whichever one you pick, I gotta say I definitely use my S7 a whole lot more then my S10.
7" tabs are a good sweet spot since 10" tabs have too much overlap with laptops.
Besides ICS on the S7, there really isnt anything a 7" cant do that a 10" can.
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Like quoted, the Gtab1 7" at launch did compete directly with the S7, but the S7's multiple price drops pushed it into indirectly competing with the kindle fire and nook.
(Samsung subsequently aimed upwards with the Gtab+ while dell left the S7 moving downwards by selling it at lower prices)
The Gtab2 7" is more of a literal replacement then an actual replacement, as it's apparently it's not much faster then the original Gtab 7", which in turn isnt much faster then the S7.
Unlike the S5 -> GNote where the Gnote is a great deal more expensive (launch MSRP vs launch MSRP)
the S7 -> Gtab2 7" is pretty much the same price.
I'd imagine side by side the Gtab2 7" is pretty much identical in functionality.
It'd likely be a good replacement if you broke your S7 or something, but beyond ICS you wouldnt be missing much at all.
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Like quoted, the Gtab1 7" at launch did compete directly with the S7, but the S7's multiple price drops pushed it into indirectly competing with the kindle fire and nook.
(Samsung subsequently aimed upwards with the Gtab+ while dell left the S7 moving downwards by selling it at lower prices)
The Gtab2 7" is more of a literal replacement then an actual replacement, as it's apparently it's not much faster then the original Gtab 7", which in turn isnt much faster then the S7.
Unlike the S5 -> GNote where the Gnote is a great deal more expensive (launch MSRP vs launch MSRP)
the S7 -> Gtab2 7" is pretty much the same price.
I'd imagine side by side the Gtab2 7" is pretty much identical in functionality.
It'd likely be a good replacement if you broke your S7 or something, but beyond ICS you wouldnt be missing much at all.
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There's definitely less motion in the tab department than in phones. Although I note a slow-down in release of "super-phones" these days. How about a refurb or re-sale HTC Flyer? Anyone have any idea what the price point goes down to, now that it's been a few months since release?
Anyway, I hope the 7" tab doesn't disappear. I love my DS7, but it will eventually be nice to have a newer, faster tab.
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Rumor is the Google tablet (made by them) will be Tegra3 or Snapdragon and within the $150-200 range.
The 7" market wont dissappear, very least currently there's the fire and the nook.
Whatever goog puts into their 7" device, it's gonna be cheap, and likely still faster then the fire and nook.
A refurb flyer is very similar to a refurb S7, it all depends on if you want to save a little money or pay a lil more and get something new (instead of a refurb).
There's also the 7.7" tabs, that market is even smaller then the 7" ones as there's only like 2-3 currently out.
At least for flagship phones the HTC One X/L just got released, and the SGSIII is immenent, and those have a little overlap with 7" as they're 4.5"+ devices.
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of Samsung or their business philosophies. Have been a dyed-in-the-wool HTC boy for a while. And generally, Samsung devices have a cheap feel to me.
I agree that the 4.5" phones encroach on the tablet market. Just have to say that a 7" device hits a sweet spot for me.
Looking forward to what goog comes up with...
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I've attached a screenshot of a page from the nexus 7 guide stating that the nexus 7 is the Asus pad me370t. So, what do you guys make of this?
The Verge actually investigated this quite a bit:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/28/3124041/asus-me370t-nexus-7-transformation-google-nvidia
Wow, I am very very shocked and disappointed this. I've been looking forward to the actual MeMO 370T device since it was first seen back in January. For some reason I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
>I had really expected Asus to release its own 7 inch tablet.
Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
A great deal of fuss was made over Microsoft Surface "killing" Windows HW vendors, and curiously, almost nothing about the Nexus 7 doing the same. The irony is that Surface will have minimal impact, while N7 will almost certainly kill off any 7" Android tab this year.
Not only does N7 hit the magic $200 point, it has good hardware, official support, and 4.1. There is no way any 7" tab can match that. The only possible competitor would be if Apple does the rumored 7" mini iPad at $250-300.
I'm wondering what Amazon's move will be, as per the above I don't see how a 7" KF2 can compete. My projection is that it will cede the 7" space, and upping the KF2 to the 8" or 9" size, say, for $250. The orig KF stays on, but lowered to $150.
7" is good for reading, but poor for video playback. Since video consumption is vastly more popular than e-reading, an 8" or 9" would be a step forward. It would be better for video, and still be suitable for one-hand use.
Ditto for Nook, although if MS' investment in B&N is any indication, we'll probably see a Nook powered by WinRT this year.
I thought I had read reports of Asus releasing their own 7 inch tablet in August that undercut the 8GB N7 by about $20. Still, this isn't really what I was hoping for if it comes to be.
It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
Well I'm sure the HDMI out being removed had a lot more to do with the Q
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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I'm sorry but that's nonsense, no way it costs that much. For example the Raspberry Pi has a HDMI port and costs only $25.
I can't link to sites yet, but if you look up the HDMI licensing website and see under Fees and Royalties section the licensing cost ranges from $0.04 to $0.15 per end user, depending on quantity (obviously a mass produced device like this will be in the lower bands)
Maybe add another $0.05-$0.10 for the physical connector, if that. We're talking 20 cents max here.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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No need to argue, the device doesn't have it, get over it. I understand it would have been cheap to add this, but if you look at the other device Google released, the Q, you will see why they didn't.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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Google are not going to sell the Nexus Q here in the UK (and probably a lot more places), so it's not a solution.
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I'm not saying it's a solution, I'm explaining why they left out the mini HDMI port.
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It's almost like the Me370t, but with the mini HDMI port removed (the original had it)
Thanks Google for saving the $0.10 that component would cost
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Well not exactly almost like the MeMO. I believe it also had an 8MP rear facing camera. Probably had a MicroSD slot, too, but I'm not positive on that. At any rate, I'd gladly throw in an extra $50 or so for the original MeMO 370T. I probably won't be buying the N7.
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That would be more than $0.10. For every patented chip/port/protocol/software you are building into your device you have to pay licence costs per sold device.
I don't know how much exactly but I think the tablet would be cost 10-20$ more.
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You pay for a HDMI license which is $10k per annum, which it's fairly likely both Google (via Motorola) and ASUS already have anyway. Each HDMI port has a royalty as well, which is 4 cents. Plus the cost of the connector itself. The HDCP license is half a cent per device.
The rest of the existing components should be able to handle HDMI anyway, Tegra 3 has it as a standard.
Can't help but be negative about this. It's not just the $250 memo, but the $250 memo--.
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/27733-nexus-7-is-crippled-asus-370t-but-not-much-cheaper
The story, if I put 2+2 correctly, is that google really wanted that $199 pricetag, in effect forcing asus to redesign a bunch of stuff with lower-end components. In the end, they couldn't (or wouldn't) even get back to something as good as the original for $250.
Like what was stated in a comment on the site, just because they planned to release the memo with all those extras for $249 doesn't mean that would be the ultimate price. I paid 280 or whatever for the 16 gb model and I wish it had an sd, hdmi, and stereo but still an amazing deal for 250 (16gb). Plus would it be first with jb? Software more than anything makes these devices.
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Unlikely, since it would have to beat the Nexus 7 which is said as being sold at cost.
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Google are making no profit (on the 8GB model at US prices) but that doesn't mean it's being sold at cost.
ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179? If that's true, I wonder what hardware reductions are even possible to make?
Also, if a new Asus tablet was to be released in August, we'd probably be seeing an FCC submission sometime soon, right?
well that is disappointing..seems like google killed another decent asus product, since the original memo 370t was gonna have 8mega pixel cam, 16gb storage micro sd slot and everything nexus tab has for 250..
>ASUS aren't a charity, I can't see them doing the OEM work if they're not getting something out of it.
Monetary compensation is a subset. The human networking alone would be valuable, not to mention the experience gained from working hand-in-hand with Google engineers. One thing that's lacking for all HW vendors is development expertise, and I assume Asus is getting plenty of that. Then, there's the PR value of being a Google partner. So, many perks aside from money.
A large cost of a device is for marketing (distribution, promotion). Aside from a few small retailers, N7 distribution looks to be limited to the Play store for now, and there probably won't be much advertising until close to fall shopping. So, yes, I imagine the N7's $200 price can be pretty close to cost. We'll have a better idea once the iSuppli folks do a BOM analysis.
Compare against upcoming Acer A110: Same $200 (8GB) and Kai innards, but smaller battery (3420 vs 4325 mAh), lower res (1024x600) and lower quality (TN LCD) display. ICS rather than JB, and no Google updates. It's clearly an inferior device to the N7. I doubt Asus can sell a better tablet than Acer at the same cost w/o slicing its margin to the bone.
It's not just the low-end, N7 dominates the mid-range and high-end for 7" as well. There is no current or announced 7"-ish tablet that can compete with N7 on either features or bang/buck. It's the only tablet to have 4.1. The only place it doesn't go is the carrier market.
From the above, I don't see a 10" Nexus happening. That would kill off the rest of the Android vendors.
>So I suspect ASUS could've released the Nexus 7 under their own brand at the same price and still made something off it but when Google approached them and offered to handle all the software updates in return for a 0% slice of the pie, they said ok.
It doesn't matter who's selling the N7 or what its origins are. What matters is whether other vendors can compete against it. I don't think they can, including Amazon. As said, I think Amazon will go with an 8 or 9" for $250, and drop the KF to $150.
A 9" KF2 at $250, or an iPad mini at $300, would be serious competition for N7.
>Did anyone else read the article from Digitimes that claimed Asus would release its own 7 inch tablet in August for $159 to $179?
DigiTimes says a lot of things, a few of which become true, and the rest goes into the circular file. For a workable rule of which DigiTimes rumor becomes fact, try this: Assign a 3% cumulative probability for each successive rumor. So, if DigiTimes has 20 different rumors over time about an particular event, you get a 60% probability of the event becoming true.
The "cheaper Asus 7-inch tablet" rumor is the first one out of the pipe.
Yesterday I went to staples and played around with some 10" tablets, and also with one 7" tablet. I noticed when browsing the web it was clearer in the 10"...
My question is, many of you probably had either one of'em.
What is the pros and cons when it comes to screen size?
Ps: this is the first tablet I bought.
I have 7" kindle fire and the 10" xoom
xoom is clearly easier, because of the size.
it's like comparing samsung note net browsing vs nexus 7 net browsing.
bigger screen for browsing always wins.
the key is to find the median between portability and pleasurable viewing experience.
I've messed around with 10 inch tablets (ipad, xoom, etc) and found them to be too big for me. If I were to carry around something of that size, it would be a laptop.
I've been using my Nook Color with GB/ICS for over a year now. Found that the 7 inch size is perfect for me. Large enough screen where I don't have to hold it 6 inches from my face, but small enough that I don't feel it needs to dominate my attention.
I had an eee pad 10 inch and found it too heavy. i think 7 inch will provide a much better balance between weight, convenience and features.
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I have had both (Playbook, Iconia A100, Ipad 1 and 2). Each have their purposes. For web surfing, I do like the 10" better, the 7" is just a tad too small for my liking (and my wife).
For video, they all work for me. I prefer the 7" as it is less obvious when i'm playing a video while in the office working. Also easier for my 3yr old son to hold in the car on longer trips. On trips, the 7" pretty much becomes my son's and the iPad are for the wife and myself.
I had a 10" xoom. For browsing it was fine, but portability sucked. I barely ever wanted to lug that cow around.
Sold it for 220 (minus fees), so only had to pay about $86 for new N7
I vastly prefer 7" tablet, as it's more portable.
I sold my sony tablet S for 400+
Now waiting for NEXUS7
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I have an ipad and a a100 ( acer 7 inch) i love the a100 browsing is pretty good ( i like android better tan ipad for browsing) and its way better asn a ereader and gamer. the only place I see the 10 as better is for movies. my kids can share on the ipad doesn't work well with 7 incher.
I have a transformer prime and a galaxy tab 2 7" and for browsing the transformer prime defenetly looks much better and it's easier to browse, but now that the nexus 7 packs the same screen resolution as the tfp, I would say that I prefer 7 inches for web browsing because of portability.
For gaming its defenetly much better yo use a 7 inches.
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Thanks, hopefully we get it soon to play with it...
Regarding comparing those 7 and 10 inch tablets at Staples and clarity of web browsing. Keep in mind, all those 7 inch tablets were probably 1024x600 or less resolution. The Nexus 7 is 1280x800, same resolution is most 10 inch tablets. So I believe this 7 inch should be much better text clarity than those other 7 inch tablets.
I have an iPad 3 and for most uses, I much prefer the bigger screen. The only reason I got the nexus is because it's easier to throw in my pocket and use when I'm sitting at a restaurant waiting for a table, movie or whatever, and don't have to worry about storing my tablet after im done waiting. When I'm at a hotel, on a plane or sitting on my couch watching tv, I'm absolutely still going to be using my iPad, because the iPad is easy to throw in my backpack that I carryon.
I have the new iPad and will get a nexus 7 so I don't know which form factors works best for me.
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Yesterday I went to staples and played around with some 10" tablets, and also with one 7" tablet. I noticed when browsing the web it was clearer in the 10"...
My question is, many of you probably had either one of'em.
What is the pros and cons when it comes to screen size?
Ps: this is the first tablet I bought.
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Hello. So if you ask my wife I have purchased well to many tablets and tech products in general over the past year and a half. I didn't feel I needed a tablet (still probably dont) until the Motorola Xoom came out. A new Android on a tablet with Nexus like qualities and open to the wonderful Android dev community, I had to have it.
I owned that for almost a year and ended up purchasing the Transformer Prime in December. I kept both for awhile, but the Xoom had a horrible screen and it is the only tech product I have ever owned that actually gave me migraines so I sold it. Next, the new iPad was announced and by this time I really was not enjoying an Android tablet and it was really missing some great apps. Still, what brought me to dumping Android tablets fot the new iPad was the excellent high res retina display. Since launch I have really enjoyed the tablet. It is excellent and after owning the iPad I have to say I do see the need for a tablet now. What I am getting is not that I am here supporting the iPad as I prefer Android over iOS, but to tell you for the price and all if your going to get a 10" (actually it is just shy of 10") then the only tablet worth getting in my humble opinion is the new iPad or iPad 2. I dumped my Prime and Xoom and never looked back....Until, the announcement of the Nexus 7 (Ill be honest, the 7 was Google's worst kept secret and I knew I would get it no matter what especially if the price is right). I ordered mine and I am anxiosly awaiting it at my doorstep.
I ended up getting only the 8GB Nexus which I know I will struggle with, but for what I want in it I don't think that I will be upset and if I am I can always sell it and get the 16GB option. I bought my wife the Kindle Fire last christmas and she barely uses it so I use it for reading. The reason I bring this up is that this is the main reason (besides the dev community and amazing things we all know the devs will do with the 7) I ordered the 7" Nexus. It is the perfect form factor for reading and for what you get it is the best value on the market. I stayed with the 8GB because I know that I will be using main apps and browsing on my iPad and reading/hacking/tinkering on my Nexus 7. I also own a Galaxy Nexus and iPhone 4s which I use for almost the same purposes as the 4s has the better camera and is a better all around phone for calls and text. Plus, Siri is a great featue. Since JB I have found that I am using my Nexus more so than the iPhone as of late and I am thinking of selling the 4S in anticipation of the new iPhone.
So I hope this helps and like I said if you want a great tablet for things other than reading and the advantages of Android then there is no other tablet that is worth the money (again, this is only my opinion and is subjective) and that is the iPad. The Nexus 7 though will accomplish all those things plus runs JB (Project Butter is the single best improvement I feel that the Android team has done with Android since its inception) and is perfect for reading (the iPad is heavy and too big in my opinion). So as you can see in my opionion and with all that I have used the only two tablets (well, actually three as I would also suggest the iPad 2 if cost is a concern) to anyone asking for an opinion. Android just doesn't have the tablet applications and it doesn't have the great killer eco system that the iPad has. There is a huge reason that Google decided to sell a low cost 7" inbstead of going toe to toe with the iPad.
I hope this helps and please remember I speak as opinion not that my word is end all be all. Technology is subjective and there are other products out there and these are the only two I would suggest after a year and a half with OEMs version of an Android tablet.
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I had a 10" xoom. For browsing it was fine, but portability sucked. I barely ever wanted to lug that cow around.
Sold it for 220 (minus fees), so only had to pay about $86 for new N7
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same here man... sold mine for 250 and im not looking back
I had the OG iPad (a gift) for almost two years. I sold it a month or two after Asus announced the 370 7" tablet back in January.
The iPad was ok, but somewhat over rated imo. I did not like the weight. You can't hold it for very long without resting it on something. Also, it's not as portable as I wanted. Even now, three years later, I never see people walking around with their iPads.
I would have preferred an 8" tablet. 7" is just a bit too small for web browsing. I think 8" would work better, and still weigh a lot less than a 10". But there aren't really any 8" options out there. Not any I find acceptable anyway.
So I'm using the $ I got from selling my iPad to buy the Nexus 7. I've been without a tablet for over four months now, so I'm getting kind of anxious.
have an iPad 2 and up until I bricked my Transformer Prime last night =( those were my 2 tablets...now I gotta replace the Prime, so I'm ordering the Nexus 7 since I just found out it has OTG Mass Storage support via Stickmount (YAY for Chainfire) I was leaning towards the Nx 7 anyway since it is a nexus device OTG just clinched it.
I have had several tablets; right now in my backpack I have an iPad 2 that I got for $200 used. It's in almost perfect condition aside from a weird scratch on a corner of the screen that you can't see really anyway.
90% of the time I use my tablet it's for ereading and trust me, 7" is way better for that. I really liked my Nook Tablet but it was too limited in function at the time so I swapped it out for a Galaxy Tab 7+. That tablet was a perfect size and functionality, but unfortunately was laggy and the battery left a lot to be desired. So I have my iPad for now, but I am really looking forward to getting my N7 here because that 7" combined with light weight (which is a huge plus in and of itself) and solid, "buttery" performance is what I'm after. I'm going to give it some break-in time then sell my iPad to start saving for the new Nexus phone.
I've used both sizes. I had an Archos 70 Internet Tablet and a XOOM. 7" form factor is really awesome for a tablet which is used for reading/gaming/browsing. The thing that killed it for me completely was the 800x400 resolution, this is why i upgraded to the Xoom.
The resolution is really the only thing i didn't like - i love how much li htghter 7" tablets are than 10.1" tablets, it's a night and day comparison when you are casually lounging or reading in bed in terms of weight. My xoom has smacked me in the face over 100 times over the past year because i try to balance it on my chest in bed while reading and start falling asleep - not the best way to awake
I love that 10.1" offers a lot of screen space, i hate how heavy these things are. I could argue that the N7 needed to be 7.7" but with the high-res IPS screen, i don't think i'll have the same problem that i had with the Archos 7".
All the above being said, i'm excited for the N7 and really hope that the N10 will feature a high res display with high PPI.