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[Q] difference between apps2sd and apps2ext

I am a noob and have recently discovered android and wanted to know that what is the difference between apps2sd and apps2ext????

mahroze said:
I am a noob and have recently discovered android and wanted to know that what is the difference between apps2sd and apps2ext????
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I think your talking about the difference between apps to ext or froyo's built in apps to fat?
if so:
apps to ext tricks the os into thinking that a special ext partition on your sd card is your data partition. this way all app data goes to the sd card and saves your data partition completely.
pros:
all apps are compatible
no data space used on the data partition
the phone thinks its saving apps internally
Apps are very accessible for backup
cons:
you have to format and partition your sd card (this really isent hard and can be done in recovery)
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
you have to specify an exact amount of space on the sd card dedicated to apps that can no longer be used as storage space(unless you use linux I suppose... but it would be pointless to save stuff there besides apps)
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
not all roms support it. (there are usually work arounds though)
Froyo apps to sd puts the bulk of the app onto the regular partition of your sd card (no special formatting required) but still saves data to the data partition.
pros:
saves space on the data partition
no special formatting is needed
is more secure for app developers
because you dont need the extra partition, you'll have more free sd card space.
cons:
still uses some space internally which isn't bad unless you have a crazy amount of apps or some very large data hogs.
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
only Froyo roms support it
the internal memory is the fastest best place for apps, but if you need more space then by all means try one of the above methods
they both get the job done in their own way.

firefly6240 said:
I think your talking about the difference between apps to ext or froyo's built in apps to fat?
if so:
apps to ext tricks the os into thinking that a special ext partition on your sd card is your data partition. this way all app data goes to the sd card and saves your data partition completely.
pros:
all apps are compatible
no data space used on the data partition
the phone thinks its saving apps internally
Apps are very accessible for backup
cons:
you have to format and partition your sd card (this really isent hard and can be done in recovery)
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
you have to specify an exact amount of space on the sd card dedicated to apps that can no longer be used as storage space(unless you use linux I suppose... but it would be pointless to save stuff there besides apps)
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
not all roms support it. (there are usually work arounds though)
Froyo apps to sd puts the bulk of the app onto the regular partition of your sd card (no special formatting required) but still saves data to the data partition.
pros:
saves space on the data partition
no special formatting is needed
is more secure for app developers
because you dont need the extra partition, you'll have more free sd card space.
cons:
still uses some space internally which isn't bad unless you have a crazy amount of apps or some very large data hogs.
if the sd card is pulled, mounted to the computer, or dies, you cannot access your apps.
apps rely on the speed of the sd (this usually isn't a problem though)
only Froyo roms support it
the internal memory is the fastest best place for apps, but if you need more space then by all means try one of the above methods
they both get the job done in their own way.
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thanx for the info but how do i partition my sd card so that apps can be transfered

There is an option in recovery to partition sdcard. U will lose everything on it though so save what u want to the computer. Backup your apps with titanium backup or equivalent. And as always do a nandroid backup in recovery and save to your computer as well with titanium backup u made before u repartition. If u need ext 3 or for there are options for that in recovery too.
Edit: put backups back on SD after partitioning so u have your nandroid just in case and can restore apps in titanium
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johnson8cyl said:
There is an option in recovery to partition sdcard. U will lose everything on it though so save what u want to the computer. Backup your apps with titanium backup or equivalent. And as always do a nandroid backup in recovery and save to your computer as well with titanium backup u made before u repartition. If u need ext 3 or for there are options for that in recovery too.
Edit: put backups back on SD after partitioning so u have your nandroid just in case and can restore apps in titanium
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could guide me through a step by step process on how to partition the sdcard through recovery and then to transfer apps to the sdcard....thanx in advance

mahroze said:
could guide me through a step by step process on how to partition the sdcard through recovery and then to transfer apps to the sdcard....thanx in advance
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What recovery do u have?
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johnson8cyl said:
What recovery do u have?
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Build : RA-dream-v.1.5.2

U should get 1.7.0. Just my opinion. U should have an option to partition your SD. Once u start its self explanatory really. Just make sure u do everything I told u before about the backups and saving to your computer so u don't lose anything important as it will completely wipe your card clean. What Tom are u trying to flash afterwards?
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johnson8cyl said:
U should get 1.7.0. Just my opinion. U should have an option to partition your SD. Once u start its self explanatory really. Just make sure u do everything I told u before about the backups and saving to your computer so u don't lose anything important as it will completely wipe your card clean. What Tom are u trying to flash afterwards?
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maybe CM 6.1 or the Froyo for trout

U will have to check the first page of the rom and see if u need an ext 3 or 4 partition. Apps to SD should be automatic if u set it up the way they tell u as far as partitioning. Just do everything I told u and u should be good
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johnson8cyl said:
U will have to check the first page of the rom and see if u need an ext 3 or 4 partition. Apps to SD should be automatic if u set it up the way they tell u as far as partitioning. Just do everything I told u and u should be good
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hey man thanx for all the help but i have one problem though I have the firerats patch file but i cant seem to run it via adb but it says cannot open could you guide me through

What are u trying to do with the patch? U should have it on your sdcard and be running commands in the terminal not adb.
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johnson8cyl said:
What are u trying to do with the patch? U should have it on your sdcard and be running commands in the terminal not adb.
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thanx man i realized that i was entering the name of the patch file wrong

[Q] n00b question: internal SD card - what's safe to delete..??

So, I had my Raider for about a month before rooting and installing the rumraider beta BUT...my internal SD is showing very little free space, and all I can think of is that I used to have a few gb of vids & pics in one of the folder hide apps, and they were stored on the internal SD. All that ever showed in any explorer app was an empty folder, even though that's supposedly where the files were hidden. Anyway, I deleted the folder manually, just to see if 3gb or so would magically free up.. but that didn't happen. There are also a bunch of no longer installed apps' data folders kicking around I'm quite sure.. so the questions are:
(a) what does the format internal SD card option do in the raider's system menu..and will it wipe out anything important to the function of my phone?
(b) is it safe and/or advisable to manually browse & delete unnecessary folders?
(c) if I've already used SD Maid and see no real noticeable difference in free space, are there any other apps which might do a better job?
..I have only a few dozen apps installed since flashing the rumraider rom, but the phones internal storage was pretty full beforehand.. I just assumed that the whole wipe process prior to (and during, if I read the progress right) the flash would clear all that data out. Its got 16gb internal storage in total.. partitioned, true.. but still.. i have almost nothing free. I find that odd.
'lil help? LOL!

bproulx said:
So, I had my Raider for about a month before rooting and installing the rumraider beta BUT...my internal SD is showing very little free space, and all I can think of is that I used to have a few gb of vids & pics in one of the folder hide apps, and they were stored on the internal SD. All that ever showed in any explorer app was an empty folder, even though that's supposedly where the files were hidden. Anyway, I deleted the folder manually, just to see if 3gb or so would magically free up.. but that didn't happen. There are also a bunch of no longer installed apps' data folders kicking around I'm quite sure.. so the questions are:
(a) what does the format internal SD card option do in the raider's system menu..and will it wipe out anything important to the function of my phone?
(b) is it safe and/or advisable to manually browse & delete unnecessary folders?
(c) if I've already used SD Maid and see no real noticeable difference in free space, are there any other apps which might do a better job?
..I have only a few dozen apps installed since flashing the rumraider rom, but the phones internal storage was pretty full beforehand.. I just assumed that the whole wipe process prior to (and during, if I read the progress right) the flash would clear all that data out. Its got 16gb internal storage in total.. partitioned, true.. but still.. i have almost nothing free. I find that odd.
'lil help? LOL!
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+1 using holiraider

your internal sd is only 9.48gb(ish). on that, you can delete anything you want. whether any apps use any of the data in there is dependent on the apps you have installed. there is nothing there that is */required/* for your rom to function correctly
after backing up all your pictures/music/titanium backup files/clockworkmod backups/etc to your computer or all on an external card, you can safely format the internal sd. the system will recreate any files/folders it needs.
personally, i would just back EVERYTHING on the internal sd up to my computer, format the internal sd from the system menu, and if anything doesnt work properly after that, you always have the files handy.

I have a 32gb sd card so i backup the internal to sdcard2 into a ".No Media" folder. I hate duplicating images.. But this way i always have a back up with me since i like to flash roms while im at work (to impatient to wait till im home).

[Q] how to back up all data to computer

My phone is now unrooted so I can't use Titanium Backup
I want to ask first is the internal USB storage will be deleted if I downloaded new firmware ??
if yes , how to back up my data to the computer ??
I finished a lot of stages in many games and I want to back their data (only stages data , I can download the game again no problem) to the computer or to the USB Storage if it won't be deleted if I downloaded new firmware

No New firmware won't delete Internal storage, even you flash Wipe ROM

dr.ketan said:
No New firmware won't delete Internal storage, even you flash Wipe ROM
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so the levels i finished in games like asphalt 6 & Samurai II won't be deleted ??

that will delete, internal memory means internal sd card. Data on internal sd won't delete. Settings save in system rom, that will delete if u flash wipe rom, but nothing will delete if u flash nonwipe rom
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omaar97 said:
so the levels i finished in games like asphalt 6 & Samurai II won't be deleted ??
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Games Data will be stored in SD card so after flashing new ROM (if it is Wipe ROM) you have to install the game from Market.

@Ranjan
He is asking about level of games, which remains in ROM, that will be deleted(in case of ROM is wipe), Reinstalling won't restore level.

Can titanium back that up?
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Zamboney said:
Can titanium back that up?
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Yes, TB can take backup of that too, when restore, select restore App + Data.

[Q] move file to the REAL EXTERNAL SD

peple, i can't believe is so hard to find information about this big problem.
HOW CAN I MOVE INSTALLED APPS TO MY EXTERNAL SD??
I tried all "App2SD" in google play, but looks like Optimus 2x mount its SD in a different way, so what these apps does is move apps to/from internal memory (it is not the same as internal sd??? why 2?) and internal sd.
So i boght a 32GB sd for just videos and mp3???
I googled and found a link talking about "Mod Install Location".
Well, this "Mod Install" doesn't work too. I can't install news apps in external sd nor can i move installed apps.
No one bottered with this situation too???? Is impossible to move installed files in Optimus 2x do the external SD?

install CM7 Custom ROM

siibel said:
install CM7 Custom ROM
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What exactly that does?
But i want to try another ROMs. There is not another way?
Another question about this SD problem: looks like that after flash roms and firwares the internal sd will be totally wiped. Well, so Titanium Backup is useless for Optimus 2x, as it doens't let choose directory for backups. Solution?

presuntinho said:
What exactly that does?
But i want to try another ROMs. There is not another way?
Another question about this SD problem: looks like that after flash roms and firwares the internal sd will be totally wiped. Well, so Titanium Backup is useless for Optimus 2x, as it doens't let choose directory for backups. Solution?
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+1 on CM7. That ROM will render your internal SD useless as EVERYTHING can be thrown to the external SD.
I have Titanium Backup Pro and there's an option to choose the backup location in preferences. I'm pretty sure it's also present in the free version.
(TB is very useful for me. Enough for me to purchase it.)

If you are using app2sd from market to move your application to sdcard, meaning you can do it manually from your application manager, each and every app you click will have a button to move to sd. App2sd market app just simplifies this process. Please note that this method only moves some app files to the sdcard not all of it, it will still leave app dalvik and app user data on the internal memory.
The real app2sd/app2sd+/data2sd that creates a link from your internal phone data partition and relocate your data folder to external sd are script based, and you have to make a ext3/4 partition on your external sdcard in addition to your fat32 partition. This is what you need If you want to totally move all data to external sdcard.
I have not seen ppl making tutorials using this script in o2x forum, because the 1.5gb app space is good for most people, unless if you have alot of games in your phone. For what I know the app2sd+ script is universal for all phones, you may just need to make some modifications to the script to make it work on every specific phone type/model.
About the flashing firmware wiping internal sd, I have not encountered such issue. For what reason do you flash a firmware? I havent tried flashing rom the official way since you can just use cwm to flash rom, but I flash baseband alot of times, no internal sd wipes, but it does wipe data partition.

TB doesn't let you change the backup folder like that. You have to copy the "TitaniumBackup" folder with a few backup files to where ever you want and then the app scans for folders with backups.

salisbury_steak said:
+1 on CM7. That ROM will render your internal SD useless as EVERYTHING can be thrown to the external SD.
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But i will lost the 8 GB of this "internal SD" or i can still use it?
You have games installed in the external SD? They run as faster as in the internal?
Thanks

Chris4evernoob said:
TB doesn't let you change the backup folder like that. You have to copy the "TitaniumBackup" folder with a few backup files to where ever you want and then the app scans for folders with backups.
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After flashing a ROM or firware i just open TB and it will recognize the old backups? I just install TB and then overwrite with the old folder?
Thanks

tablighs said:
If you are using app2sd from market to move your application to sdcard, meaning you can do it manually from your application manager, each and every app you click will have a button to move to sd. App2sd market app just simplifies this process. Please note that this method only moves some app files to the sdcard not all of it, it will still leave app dalvik and app user data on the internal memory.
The real app2sd/app2sd+/data2sd that creates a link from your internal phone data partition and relocate your data folder to external sd are script based, and you have to make a ext3/4 partition on your external sdcard in addition to your fat32 partition. This is what you need If you want to totally move all data to external sdcard.
I have not seen ppl making tutorials using this script in o2x forum, because the 1.5gb app space is good for most people, unless if you have alot of games in your phone. For what I know the app2sd+ script is universal for all phones, you may just need to make some modifications to the script to make it work on every specific phone type/model.
About the flashing firmware wiping internal sd, I have not encountered such issue. For what reason do you flash a firmware? I havent tried flashing rom the official way since you can just use cwm to flash rom, but I flash baseband alot of times, no internal sd wipes, but it does wipe data partition.
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If i use the external sd with ext3/4 using the entire space, i will able to send file using usb, bluetooth, etc? I mean, there is any colateral?
Moving all data to MicroSD make the apps run slowly?
2 big games are enough to almost fill the entire internal memory.

tablighs said:
About the flashing firmware wiping internal sd, I have not encountered such issue. For what reason do you flash a firmware? I havent tried flashing rom the official way since you can just use cwm to flash rom, but I flash baseband alot of times, no internal sd wipes, but it does wipe data partition.
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Well, maybe is my enlglish that is horrible, but that is what i understand reading this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26191714&postcount=3
"Installing this file WILL fully wipe your device, including the Internal SD. Back up!"
So:
1 Changing the ROm will wipe the internal sd?
2 Changing the firware (firmware and baseband are the same thing, correct) will?

presuntinho said:
If i use the external sd with ext3/4 using the entire space, i will able to send file using usb, bluetooth, etc? I mean, there is any colateral?
Moving all data to MicroSD make the apps run slowly?
2 big games are enough to almost fill the entire internal memory.
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If you use app2sd+ script method, everything will function normally. A class 6 or 10 sdcard can perform as fast as your internal phone storage. You may wear your sdcard faster though since it is being regularly used and accessed.
The only problem is to fine the script itself that is specifically customised for o2x, I myself do not know how to do it, although I used it before for my HTC Desire phone, but that was long time ago and the script was integrated in custom roms since htc desire only has 150mb app space.

presuntinho said:
Well, maybe is my enlglish that is horrible, but that is what i understand reading this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26191714&postcount=3
"Installing this file WILL fully wipe your device, including the Internal SD. Back up!"
So:
1 Changing the ROm will wipe the internal sd?
2 Changing the firware (firmware and baseband are the same thing, correct) will?
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Yes, all threads will say that, its just cautionary purposes. I just recently reflashed my baseband to v20c a a month ago using smartflash, it did wipe my rom data, but not my internal sd. But just incase, make a backup of everything, it doesn't hurt to do that.

tablighs said:
If you use app2sd+ script method, everything will function normally..
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but to use apps2sd +script i need to have a partition ext3 or ext4, right? This partition in ext3 will work with usb, bluetooth, etc?
It is a good option to have the enitre microsd in ext3 instead 1 partition in ext3 and 1 in fat32?
Thanks

presuntinho said:
but to use apps2sd +script i need to have a partition ext3 or ext4, right? This partition in ext3 will work with usb, bluetooth, etc?
It is a good option to have the enitre microsd in ext3 instead 1 partition in ext3 and 1 in fat32?
Thanks
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The ext partition will always be mounted for android system, so you cannot access via pc. You need a fat32+ext3/4 partitions combo.
First you need to know how much storage do you need for apps, please note that I think the internal 1.5gb app storage will be left unused if you decide to link your data (which will fool android system thinking it is phone memory) folder to your external sd.
We have talk too much on this topic but I myself is unsure whether you can find the script to run on o2x. Maybe its time for you to take some time on how to actually find and modify one so it works for o2x. I cannot help you on that at all. Keep us posted if you have any progress.

tablighs said:
The ext partition will always be mounted for android system, so you cannot access via pc. You need a fat32+ext3/4 partitions combo.
First you need to know how much storage do you need for apps, please note that I think the internal 1.5gb app storage will be left unused if you decide to link your data (which will fool android system thinking it is phone memory) folder to your external sd.
We have talk too much on this topic but I myself is unsure whether you can find the script to run on o2x. Maybe its time for you to take some time on how to actually find and modify one so it works for o2x. I cannot help you on that at all. Keep us posted if you have any progress.
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But can i alternatively make a backup of big games in the sd so i don't need to download 700 MB every time i want to install it again? As already said Titanium Backup will not do that. I could cut and paste only the backup of the game i want to sd, but Titanium show the name of backups in a way wich is dificult to read among many files. Plus i am not sure TB will backup all data of the game.

[Q] Cannot Delete Apps or Google User Account even after flashing ROM

Hey everyone,
My friend gave me his tab p1000... but I cannot seem to remove apps or even google user account even after i have:
- Reset the phone
- Flashed stock rom v5 ROM with ODIN (with repartition and also flashed dbdata).
- I also tried NAND Erase All, which soft bricked the tab but i was able to get it back.
Even with all this, all the apps are still there.. when the tab loads up.
The Apps keep crashing every minute though.. so they are not stable.
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1.
After flashing stock rom, when it enters recovery i get the following errors:
part(1): Checksum error
MMC verification failed
and
cannot find: /preload/app folder
2.
There are some weird files under the internal memory root folder that cannot be deleted.
Well you can delete them but they come right back up when you remount the internal drive(16gb).
Also the application folders cannot be deleted.. they reappear once you remount the internal drive.
the files are:
- Copy of Shortcut to (1/2/3/4).lnk
- glweax.exe
- glweax.scr
- x.exe
- xxx.dll
- zjroic.exe
- zjroic.scr
-xjdqob.exe
3.
There is an app called - Perfect Applock - that might have something to do with this.. Not sure.
I have read in forums, to put the phone in flight mode and restart it, then try to go to app manager within 30sec to uninstall the app.
i tried that but it still doesnt work. the App still exists..
btw, i have also tried removing the apps via app manager, that doesnt work. although it says sucessfully uninstalled.
when you reboot the tab, all the apps are present.
4.
I installed root app using superoneclick so that i can install a root explorer app - but it kept crashing.
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My guess, is that there is a virus, or something that is recreating the apps. or not granting access to where the apps are stored (guessing in /preload/app).
i have read forums and some people said it might be a faulty internal storage.. i did the checks(some commands using adb) to verify but it was negative.
so i dont think the internal storage is bad.
Right now i am stuck... the tab has stock rom v5 installed right now.. not rooted and with 3e recovery.
any help will be greatly appreciated.. thank you in advance.

Wipe the rom...
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G0G0L said:
Wipe the rom...
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correct me if i am wrong.. but isnt wiping a rom the same as flashing a rom??
i have flashed the stock rom.. and the apps werent deleted.
if its not the same, then how do i wipe a rom??
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Just to add, i have noticed that i cannot format the internal storage.
- tried formating by phone (settings > sd card and device storage > format usb storage). it completes but nothing gets deleted.
- tried formating from computer, - it doesnt complete.
- tried formating with partition wizard.. it completes succesfully but nothing gets deleted.
Hence i think the issue is - something is preventing access to internal storage..
is there any app/adb command that i can force format the phones internal storage??

Stubborn data/apps is a sign of internal storage going bad.
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Formatting from computer formats your sd card..and no, flashing a rom via recovery does not necessarily mean a data wipe...try following ChrisCTX's guide...search for it
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thaaaanks
G0G0L said:
Formatting from computer formats your sd card..and no, flashing a rom via recovery does not necessarily mean a data wipe...try following ChrisCTX's guide...search for it
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Hey Gogol,
thaaanks a lot. The guide worked after several tries.
Main problem was flashing cm9 pics rom. It wouldn't complete. But I kept trying and it worked.
I now hv cyanogen mod 9 with ics. Using the tab to reply right now.
One issue tho is that the camera cannot store in internal storage. It needs an sdcard.
Is there a work around on this.
I looked under settings-storage and the internal storage is recognized.
And also under camera settings internal storage is chosen as storage location but it cannot save there.
Any Ideas? Guess I Have to find a way to make internal storage and sdcard storage the same.
Thanks

ianmatari said:
Hey Gogol,
thaaanks a lot. The guide worked after several tries.
Main problem was flashing cm9 pics rom. It wouldn't complete. But I kept trying and it worked.
I now hv cyanogen mod 9 with ics. Using the tab to reply right now.
One issue tho is that the camera cannot store in internal storage. It needs an sdcard.
Is there a work around on this.
I looked under settings-storage and the internal storage is recognized.
And also under camera settings internal storage is chosen as storage location but it cannot save there.
Any Ideas? Guess I Have to find a way to make internal storage and sdcard storage the same.
Thanks
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i hv same prob too .. any idea ?

Love-Rat® said:
i hv same prob too .. any idea ?
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i forgot but it looked for a guide to switch or exchange internal and sd-card.
so the tablet will think its using the internal storage but its actually using the sd-card.
its somthing like this:
If you take a root file browser and edit /system/etc/volb.fstab, there are two sections you need to edit. "dev_mount emmc /mnt/emmc" changes to "dev_mount emmc /mnt/Edvard" and "dev_mount sdcard /mnt/sdcard" changes to "dev_mount SD card /mnt/emmc".
i cant confirm this is what i did.. but i am sure i edited the volb.fstab... i had to google around for a while till i found one that works for me.
make sure you backup your volb.fstab before you make changes.
Note: i found cyanogen mode to be slow running from sd-card.. so i changed to a regular gingerbread rom. and i was able to edit the volb.fstab with sucess.. and the camera was able to save pics.. the tablet just always had the - NO SD-CARD icon at the top all the time. coz it thought the sd-card is the internal storage.. and the internal storage which i removed was the sd-card - which i destroyed.
hope this helps.