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ROM Manager and Devs

I know I am probably going to get some heat for posting a "Question" in the Devs section, but I did attempt to ask it in the Q&A section, but have not received any responses from any of the developers (not sure if they regular that section).
My question is why none of the Captivate developers utilize ROM manager as a place to download (and update) their custom ROMs? I know many of us have purchased the premium license, and wonder why you haven't utilized this feature? Is it more of a hassle? Is there costs involved that inhibit Devs from wanting to post there? I know EVO owners have a wide variety of ROMs on their device available for download right from manager.
Thanks in advance, and if this tread needs to be moved or deleted after, I won't be offended.
........and thank you Devs for your AWESOME Roms!

I, too, was disappointed after purchasing ROM Manager Premium that there were no ROMs available to download. I was under the impression that this would open up a load of ROMs for me to download and try out.

Personally, I think the purchase was well worth it considering how much I've used it. I did it to support the guy. I can find roms on my own.
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majinzen said:
Personally, I think the purchase was well worth it considering how much I've used it. I did it to support the guy. I can find roms on my own.
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Oh, I completely agree. I was just wondering why our devs haven't utilized it. Maybe it has to do with the file type system that the Galaxy S's use? I know it is probably safer using Odin to flash back to stock first, but maybe there was another reason? Or maybe that isn't even a reason?

Gr8Danes said:
Oh, I completely agree. I was just wondering why our devs haven't utilized it. Maybe it has to do with the file type system that the Galaxy S's use? I know it is probably safer using Odin to flash back to stock first, but maybe there was another reason? Or maybe that isn't even a reason?
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I am not an expert but I think it has a lot to do with the fact that rom manager does not work with the captivate as it does with other devices such as the evo. For whatever reason when you simply try to flash a new rom, old remnants remain and you often experience problems especially when the new rom is based on a different build/kernel, etc. That is the reason everyone recommends flashing stock using odin first as it eliminates all remnants of the previous rom.
It is nice to be able to use the full functionality of rom manager on my evo but honestly I usually research here on xda first anyway.
I have yet to see a full explanation as to why we have the issue on the captivate and hopefully someone who understands the exact reason will take the time to explain.

It's related mainly to the Kernel and Modem I'm sure. The evo community doesn't use a kernel and modem file designed for an entirely different (albeit very similar) device; we do.

Rom manager needs to be more clear on how many ROMS will be available before purchase. The way it's worded makes it seem like you'll have roms to choose from regardless of your device.
I also upgraded to premium and spent time"trouble shooting" trying to figure out what was wrong.
I knew every popular rom wouldn't necessarily be listed but I certainly expected something.
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Well atleast u helped out the dev who created this recovery that makes flashing incredibly easier for all of us.
sent from my cappy running Di11igafs Rom 2.5 overclocked at 1280 with JK4 modem!!!

For sure. I just came to my SGS frim an htc legend and have gotten more than my moneys worth from them. It is a good app, for sure.
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Meant to quote just about everyone...
silverslotcar said:
Well atleast u helped out the dev who created this recovery that makes flashing incredibly easier for all of us.
sent from my cappy running Di11igafs Rom 2.5 overclocked at 1280 with JK4 modem!!!
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Not the point of the question. Incase it needs to be reiterated, what he wants to ask is: Developers. Why are your ROMs not available via Rom Manager directly?
If there is a reason why you don't use it, it would be nice of you could elaborate. Not everyone has money to throw at something that they don't see beneficial. (Paid vs unpaid.) Donations are nice, but they are donations for a reason. Any "Oh, but you should contribute to Rom Manager creaters anyway." chat is beside the point and not the focus of this thread, so please keep your opinion on purchasing donate versions out of the equation.

I cant say why but it is their chose as if they want to use it or not. Please dont open more then one thread on the same subject.
I deem this thread closed

next flash: Darky's or Insanity? Recommendations/endorsements?

have tried just about every custom out there with the exception of insanity and darkys roms.
Pondering both for my next flash....anyone have recommendations for which they prefer.
all comments welcome and encouraged but would doubly appreciate feedback from those who have used both.

Several threads like this have already been locked in the past 2 days. Why start another one?

Miami_Son said:
Several threads like this have already been locked in the past 2 days. Why start another one?
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I apologize if i am in error. I didn't realize there was any problem asking for specific feedback or recommendations on a particular rom or roms.
According to the forum rules what is wrong with my post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=263#td_post_81
If i am in error please delete thread.

Just look through both Dev threads. That will give you lots of information on what people like about each one. And if you have flashed about everything under the sun flash both because chances are you will eventually.

I was just pointing out that these kinds of threads have been getting closed left and right the past few days. ROM recommendations are really very subjective. No one knows what your requirements are and how a ROM will fit them. What works for one will not necessarily work for all others. And the ROM Dev forum is really a better place to be looking.

I will add that anything i9000 based like Darky's has plusses and minuses. The plus is that you get great HSUPA speed. The downside is you get the EU flavor and features that don't work. Spelling of some things is EU, options for FFC are there but don't work.
There are many other details.... I just hope for the Captivate source/official release soon so we can get a true captivate 2.2 kernel and tools to build from.

Assonance all the way.
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Miami_Son said:
I was just pointing out that these kinds of threads have been getting closed left and right the past few days. ROM recommendations are really very subjective. No one knows what your requirements are and how a ROM will fit them. What works for one will not necessarily work for all others. And the ROM Dev forum is really a better place to be looking.
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1. I was asking for feedback most specifically from people who has used both roms. This wasn't a Whats the best rom ever thread.
2. The developer thread definitely would not have been a place to post this and in my extensive use of the forum and reading and re-reading of the rules i fail to see how this post violates them. So again if i am mistaken...my apologies to all and i beg on the mercy of a mod to just delete the thread. (i have read both threads for the two stated roms....was hoping to hook more direct compare and contrast from users who have played with both.

Connor1 said:
Assonance all the way.
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lol have used assonance so i was just looking for feedback and comparison between darkys and insanity.
flashed darkys earlier and its a pretty rom but don't think i am liking it any more than Doc's or Chronus so i may give Insanity a run before going back to chronos or doc's.

alphadog00 said:
I will add that anything i9000 based like Darky's has plusses and minuses. The plus is that you get great HSUPA speed. The downside is you get the EU flavor and features that don't work. Spelling of some things is EU, options for FFC are there but don't work.
There are many other details.... I just hope for the Captivate source/official release soon so we can get a true captivate 2.2 kernel and tools to build from.
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hey thanks for being one of the first to post feedback thats actually relevant =)
i had went with darkys and what you said is right on. I think i still prefer Chronus Rom and Doc's most recent so will probably flash back to one of them but may give insanity a quick trial before.

So Darky's rom ported over to the Captivate as seen in this thread switches what exactly to make it Captivate-specific...just the modem, kernel and a few GPS-related modifications?

matt310 said:
So Darky's rom ported over to the Captivate as seen in this thread switches what exactly to make it Captivate-specific...just the modem, kernel and a few GPS-related modifications?
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appreciate the link. had already trialed darkys...nice but i went back to chronus 2.0 for now.
funny i had just flashed it when i saw my other favorite rom (doc's) posted an update.

I'd go with the non-racist sounding one.

Should I eat Whopper or chicken sandwich? Which 1 is better? Any recommend? Haha

netnerd said:
Should I eat Whopper or chicken sandwich? Which 1 is better? Any recommend? Haha
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Personally, I am partial to the breaded chicken sandwich with cheese and bacon. It is quite the treat, and you should only eat one per year to avoid heart conditions, lol.
On topic... I've been looking to start venturing into custom ROM's on my Cappy, but I am tempted to wait and see if Cyanogen ever devs their 6 or 7 for Captivate now that they are dev'ing for Nexus S...

I have used pretty much every ROM out there, even the ones that do not make it to the Captivate forum and so far Darkys is my usual go to ROM.
For some reason, when selecting the Gallery images, it is the only one that does not lag before going to the zoom in and out window.
I am not using Lag fixes btw with any 2.2.1 rom.

have had a chance to play with both....no more recommendations needed.

wow, 10 chars

magnumrt562 said:
If Obama is the answer, how stupid was the question?
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Best sig ever

I am on the dark Rom with the 2.2 no oc/uv death and its fantastic. One of the best battery i have had on a Rom.
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Moving from Cognition 2.3b7... Suggestions?

2.3b7 was my first non-stock "adventure". It went well and I've been pleased with the rom and phone. Now it's time to freshen things up. Any suggestions, pros/cons of other roms I should consider? Thanks for your insight and help!
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k2ham said:
2.3b7 was my first non-stock "adventure". It went well and I've been pleased with the rom and phone. Now it's time to freshen things up. Any suggestions, pros/cons of other roms I should consider? Thanks for your insight and help!
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Try phoenix it is a very good rom

try the correct forum. Its fast and no lagfix needed...
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bulletproof1013 said:
try the correct forum. Its fast and no lagfix needed...
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I'm sorry... I assumed (which is never smart) that this would be the correct forum. Would the correct forum be Captivate-General?
Thanks

You should just read through all of the Roms on the first page or two of the Dev section. Look at which ones have the most posts/replies under them and check them out. Evaluate the features list and browse through some of the more recent comments pertaining to them to get a feel of how well each one works and what they provide. Ultimately, which rom to use is entirely dependent on what you're hoping to get out of it.
What do you want it to do/not do?
Why are you looking to move away from Cog?
They all have their own ups and downs, it all depends on what's right for you.
I'm running Cog 2.3b6, myself, and thinking of upgrading to Cog 3.03. For what it's worth.

I used to use cog as well. I decided to change roms due to what I perceived as a rom problem, only to find out that it was more and likely a modem problem. I had really poor call quality and overall signal degradation.
I decided on the now no longer supported assonance and albeit all the "bells & whistles" of the newer roms, I do not have any interest on flashing a new rom. I have since flashed the speedmod kernel, which drastically helped with my battery issues and will flash a diff modem.
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Went through a number of ROMs and settled on FireFly with SpeedMod kernel. Smooth, fast (no overclocking), good battery life, GPS fixes, haven't run into any FCs in over a week now... just a very solid performing ROM.

I would recommend serendipity but phoenix looks like the next best (never tried it though)
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Smoghog said:
You should just read through all of the Roms on the first page or two of the Dev section. Look at which ones have the most posts/replies under them and check them out. Evaluate the features list and browse through some of the more recent comments pertaining to them to get a feel of how well each one works and what they provide. Ultimately, which rom to use is entirely dependent on what you're hoping to get out of it.
What do you want it to do/not do?
Why are you looking to move away from Cog?
They all have their own ups and downs, it all depends on what's right for you.
I'm running Cog 2.3b6, myself, and thinking of upgrading to Cog 3.03. For what it's worth.
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I'm not necessarily looking to move away from Cog... just wondering if there were any "runaway winners" that I should consider also. From the posts so far it sounds like there may be several worth considering.
What I'm basically looking for is an overall combination of speed (without overclocking), stability, functionality, and battery without any of the factors being stressed/tweaked to the extent that it significantly hurts any of the other factors (i.e., I don't want extreme speed if it means an unacceptable hit on stability or reduction in battery life, etc.)

k2ham said:
I'm not necessarily looking to move away from Cog... just wondering if there were any "runaway winners" that I should consider also. From the posts so far it sounds like there may be several worth considering.
What I'm basically looking for is an overall combination of speed (without overclocking), stability, functionality, and battery without any of the factors being stressed/tweaked to the extent that it significantly hurts any of the other factors (i.e., I don't want extreme speed if it means an unacceptable hit on stability or reduction in battery life, etc.)
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+1 phoenix or firefly (same dev.)+ speedmod kernel

bames said:
+1 phoenix or firefly (same dev.)+ speedmod kernel
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+1 phoenix 3.5 + speedmod, wait for 4.0

[Q] Which ROM is right for me?

There are a ton of ROMS out there for the Captivate and I've tried quite a few of them. However, I'm not sure what the differences are or which one is right for me.
I've heard of:
Cognition, Perception (by Designgears)
FireFly, Phoenix (seems like these are by the same person)
Serendipity
I haven't tried Serendipity or Perception, but I've tried the others I listed. Various ROMS say they are based off of KB1 and JP6 (I probably have these wrong) as well as various other 3-letter names. I'm not really sure what these mean, but I think they relate to the ROM being based off of Android v2.1 or Android v2.2.
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Based on what I've tried and my requirements, Cognition probably isn't going to be an option. The last time I used Cognition (when it was v3), it wasn't themed and was just an optimized version of stock.
Firefly, Phoenix and Serendipity all seem to be the same thing but with a slightly varied theme. I'm most confused by this. What are the differences here? If there are technical differences, I'd like to know those too. I think each are based off of different firmwares, right?
Thanks in advance for any guidance.

I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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mcord11758 said:
I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?

void.pointer said:
This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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The best place to find any info abt any ROM/kernel would its OP. Try looking there.
Plus there won't be so much use of anyone compiling the differences 'cos a new version would be out every now n then. This is one of the reasons why there is no such thing.
Rather than asking for something generic like this, u could ask more specific questions like say. That way u wud get ur answers sooner.
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I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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I am with this. Cos a kernel that works on mine might not give the same results on urs.
void.pointer said:
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
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1. wifi always has phone searching for it all time the screen is on. So keep it in when screen turns off, or the option u selected.
2. Themes are personal choices. Based on the ROM u choose, u can select theme of ur choice, or make a theme urself. There are guidelines posted.
3. Most ROMs now are 2.2.1. Would be mentioned in the OP.
4. Custom ROMs cannot guarantee that. Devs take all care and iron out issues when they find or when someone tells them abt them.
Check out a few ROMs and settle for one that suits u. And if u plan on putting on custom ROMs, don't bother on keeping ur hands clean. I think I flashed more than a dozen different ROMs before settling for what I am on now. And since I now found what suits me best, been sticking to it.
This is the normal process most people follow here.

void.pointer said:
This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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Unfortunately, mcord11758 and diablo009 are right.
The differences are minimal, and you need to research each ROM. The very basics are.
MOST roms right now are running Froyo 2.2.1. Some are still 2.2. The JPY, JS3, JS5, KB1(Stock 2.2) Are, for lack of a better definition, are build numbers.
What you'll need to do is, quite frankly, read up on one that has your interest, flash it and if it doesnt work well for you try another. Each Captivate may respond to a ROM differently to the ROM/Kernel/Modem combination. So you literally have to try it

[Q] What to put on my new Captivate

Hi Everyone. I just got my second Captivate today and am finally wanting to utilize it and Android to there full potentials. I had nothing customized on my first one so I am new to the developmental side of things. I am not uncomfortable with it though, so anything goes for me. What are the best recommendations? If you need anymore info let me know and I will do my best to provide it. Many thanks to everyone in advance!
Currently running stock everything.
Firmware Version
2.2
Baseband Version
I897UCKB2
Kernel Version
2.6.32.9
Build Number
FROYO.UCKB2

Just a quick rundown of what I personally did with my captivate. I got the AIO Captivate toolbox, Cognition 4.5.3 and the eXistZ kernal. Threw that all together and got it up and running very easily, and very smoothly. This phone is a beast now... I LOVE it! This thing runs like butter.
I'd go with gingerbread, but I'll stay away till an official release from Samsung and AT&T. Personal choice of mine...

Try out different roms and find one that fits you best. Be careful read the instructions and make sure you understand, before you try anything. And don't let other force roms on you
Good luck

Thanks for the suggestions Jason. I will keep them in mind and see if I like any of it.
And Thanks for the advice Speedy. I will be sure to read and read and read some more before I do anything to my phone.

I love the AIO tool box. I found it convenient and easy. Maybe you should start here.
FOR NEW CAPTIVATE USERS - READ HERE FIRST - FAQs | HELPFUL LINKS
It's a great thread to get you some good starting info along with a lot of great links to more detailed threads on specific topics. Give it a read. Between that thread and the links from that thread you will probably be able to answer most if not all of your questions. It's got great info, even for those of us that have been doing some of this for a while. Then after you've read all that flash some of those great ROMs out there and find one you really like.
Happy Flashing

?force a rom on you...like a rom bully?
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?force a rom on you...like a rom bully?
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Like when people say this rom or that rom is the best. Its all personal choice. I probably should have worded it differently

I never understand why it is not allowed to discuss the "best" rom. Obviously "best" is somewhat of a subjective opinion. But aren't some roms actually more stable than others? Is the rule about discussing the best rom in place so developers feelings don't get hurt? So no one can say rom x is a buggy piece of crap? Even if the rom was crap?
And people say it depends on your phone. That makes zero sense. All the phones are identical i897s.

A for sale sign?

A good thing on the captivate is odin one click back to stock just in case you mess up
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Cover your basses. Start with big roms such as CM7 and MIUI. They are fast and stable and can often be tweaked to function exactly as you wish. Start to narrow your way down to more homebrew roms if you remain unsatisfied.