I know I am probably going to get some heat for posting a "Question" in the Devs section, but I did attempt to ask it in the Q&A section, but have not received any responses from any of the developers (not sure if they regular that section).
My question is why none of the Captivate developers utilize ROM manager as a place to download (and update) their custom ROMs? I know many of us have purchased the premium license, and wonder why you haven't utilized this feature? Is it more of a hassle? Is there costs involved that inhibit Devs from wanting to post there? I know EVO owners have a wide variety of ROMs on their device available for download right from manager.
Thanks in advance, and if this tread needs to be moved or deleted after, I won't be offended.
........and thank you Devs for your AWESOME Roms!
I, too, was disappointed after purchasing ROM Manager Premium that there were no ROMs available to download. I was under the impression that this would open up a load of ROMs for me to download and try out.
Personally, I think the purchase was well worth it considering how much I've used it. I did it to support the guy. I can find roms on my own.
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Personally, I think the purchase was well worth it considering how much I've used it. I did it to support the guy. I can find roms on my own.
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Oh, I completely agree. I was just wondering why our devs haven't utilized it. Maybe it has to do with the file type system that the Galaxy S's use? I know it is probably safer using Odin to flash back to stock first, but maybe there was another reason? Or maybe that isn't even a reason?
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Oh, I completely agree. I was just wondering why our devs haven't utilized it. Maybe it has to do with the file type system that the Galaxy S's use? I know it is probably safer using Odin to flash back to stock first, but maybe there was another reason? Or maybe that isn't even a reason?
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I am not an expert but I think it has a lot to do with the fact that rom manager does not work with the captivate as it does with other devices such as the evo. For whatever reason when you simply try to flash a new rom, old remnants remain and you often experience problems especially when the new rom is based on a different build/kernel, etc. That is the reason everyone recommends flashing stock using odin first as it eliminates all remnants of the previous rom.
It is nice to be able to use the full functionality of rom manager on my evo but honestly I usually research here on xda first anyway.
I have yet to see a full explanation as to why we have the issue on the captivate and hopefully someone who understands the exact reason will take the time to explain.
It's related mainly to the Kernel and Modem I'm sure. The evo community doesn't use a kernel and modem file designed for an entirely different (albeit very similar) device; we do.
Rom manager needs to be more clear on how many ROMS will be available before purchase. The way it's worded makes it seem like you'll have roms to choose from regardless of your device.
I also upgraded to premium and spent time"trouble shooting" trying to figure out what was wrong.
I knew every popular rom wouldn't necessarily be listed but I certainly expected something.
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Well atleast u helped out the dev who created this recovery that makes flashing incredibly easier for all of us.
sent from my cappy running Di11igafs Rom 2.5 overclocked at 1280 with JK4 modem!!!
For sure. I just came to my SGS frim an htc legend and have gotten more than my moneys worth from them. It is a good app, for sure.
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Well atleast u helped out the dev who created this recovery that makes flashing incredibly easier for all of us.
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Not the point of the question. Incase it needs to be reiterated, what he wants to ask is: Developers. Why are your ROMs not available via Rom Manager directly?
If there is a reason why you don't use it, it would be nice of you could elaborate. Not everyone has money to throw at something that they don't see beneficial. (Paid vs unpaid.) Donations are nice, but they are donations for a reason. Any "Oh, but you should contribute to Rom Manager creaters anyway." chat is beside the point and not the focus of this thread, so please keep your opinion on purchasing donate versions out of the equation.
I cant say why but it is their chose as if they want to use it or not. Please dont open more then one thread on the same subject.
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Ok guys, I am a new android user and I do want to upgrade to Android 2.2
But it seems like there are 1000 versions of it! Can somebody explain the differences and good things and bad things about them. Or, at least just tell me which one is the best to install!
Thanks...
Honestly, the best way to find out what you like best is by flashing them and deciding for yourself.
That said, the majority of rom pages have listed what is included or removed as well as the dev's personal tweaks.
Personally, i am running the latest cognition, but i have flashed just about everything on here probably.
Test a few out, get comfortable with the process, and make you own well informed decision
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Thanks, but Cognitive group is giving a new version almost every other day! this way you can not install any app! I was thinking if there is any comparison between ROMs. I dont know some benchmark, like how fast is one , how accurate the GPS is , how much original code is used in the ROM or similar things...Is tehre any place that I can find a list of all the ROMS and at least some brief information about each one?
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Thanks, but Cognitive group is giving a new version almost every other day! this way you can not install any app! I was thinking if there is any comparison between ROMs. I dont know some benchmark, like how fast is one , how accurate the GPS is , how much original code is used in the ROM or similar things...Is tehre any place that I can find a list of all the ROMS and at least some brief information about each one?
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You backup your apps with titanium back up. When I flash a new cog 15-20 minutes tops from flash to final setup.
As far as what is best is an opinion. I will say this though, some are for more advanced users, so you better read and be sure of yourself.
I have only flashed cog roms and knock on wood I have avoided catastrophic mistakes.
Captivate
Cog 2.2
Any of the i9000 ROMs are the best.
Cognition is the easiest to install.
Your choice.
None of the cooked roms are perfect for you, rather you are looking for one that meets most of your needs, just as stock is meant to satisfy the masses and as such it stinks.
That being said, if you are just starting out try cognition as it is easy and you can find all your questions answered in that thread if you read. And you don't have to flag every version.
You will likely find though that there are many other alternatives depending on what you are looking for, hsupa, bt voice, oc,/uv, on and on, and flashing can become an addiction.
swyped from a captivate running doc's jpo+setiron kernel
As an android newbie cognition had allowed me to flash roms without blowing my phone up. They are a major upgrade over stock and do not require a degree in com sci to install .
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Cog 2.4
Right. My best advice is to learn how to flash, learn clockwork mod, and learn adb terminal commands. Once you are familiar with these three things you will have a better understanding of what it is you are looking for.
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I can offer one bit of advice, I was a noob to android before the captivate and i can tell you, before you get flamed, always do a search before posting any questions.
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I agree with MikeyMike. I love the I9000 ROMS, but start out with the easy stuff first. The I9000's are a usually more involved with flashing kernels and modems, hsupa, oc/uv, lagfixes and the like are definately not for beginners. I used Cognition in the beginning because it was easily packaged and in a noob friendly package. The more I read the more I experimented with things, I am now a flash junkie. Read the development section of the forum, that's where all the goodies are. Get familiar with Odin, ClockworkMod Recovery and Titanium Backup, they are a flashers best friend. Learn about kernels, modems, and ROMS, understand what they are an what they do to your phone, read the threads before flashing and you will find everything you need to know, any trouble you may encounter and how to recover from problems. Welcome aboard!
There are a ton of ROMS out there for the Captivate and I've tried quite a few of them. However, I'm not sure what the differences are or which one is right for me.
I've heard of:
Cognition, Perception (by Designgears)
FireFly, Phoenix (seems like these are by the same person)
Serendipity
I haven't tried Serendipity or Perception, but I've tried the others I listed. Various ROMS say they are based off of KB1 and JP6 (I probably have these wrong) as well as various other 3-letter names. I'm not really sure what these mean, but I think they relate to the ROM being based off of Android v2.1 or Android v2.2.
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Based on what I've tried and my requirements, Cognition probably isn't going to be an option. The last time I used Cognition (when it was v3), it wasn't themed and was just an optimized version of stock.
Firefly, Phoenix and Serendipity all seem to be the same thing but with a slightly varied theme. I'm most confused by this. What are the differences here? If there are technical differences, I'd like to know those too. I think each are based off of different firmwares, right?
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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I am sorry but you really need to try them and seed what works best for you
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This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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The best place to find any info abt any ROM/kernel would its OP. Try looking there.
Plus there won't be so much use of anyone compiling the differences 'cos a new version would be out every now n then. This is one of the reasons why there is no such thing.
Rather than asking for something generic like this, u could ask more specific questions like say. That way u wud get ur answers sooner.
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I am with this. Cos a kernel that works on mine might not give the same results on urs.
void.pointer said:
Here are a couple of things I'm looking for in a ROM:
Battery life is important to me. Most roms so far have been very good at this so long as I change the Wifi sleep policy to "Only when plugged in". If WIFI is on permanently, my battery life is crap.
I prefer a good theme. FireFly's theme is pretty good. It looks great and has nice window animations.
Must be at least Android v2.2. Gingerbread would be awesome but not a requirement.
Stability. Specifically, all phone/hardware features need to work and there should be minimal bugs. For example, using CM7 for Captivate at this point would be out of the question since it's still so young and I've heard it is unstable/buggy.
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
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1. wifi always has phone searching for it all time the screen is on. So keep it in when screen turns off, or the option u selected.
2. Themes are personal choices. Based on the ROM u choose, u can select theme of ur choice, or make a theme urself. There are guidelines posted.
3. Most ROMs now are 2.2.1. Would be mentioned in the OP.
4. Custom ROMs cannot guarantee that. Devs take all care and iron out issues when they find or when someone tells them abt them.
Check out a few ROMs and settle for one that suits u. And if u plan on putting on custom ROMs, don't bother on keeping ur hands clean. I think I flashed more than a dozen different ROMs before settling for what I am on now. And since I now found what suits me best, been sticking to it.
This is the normal process most people follow here.
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This is not helpful at all. This is what I've been doing.
I need someone to go over the technical differences between my choices, since I don't fully understand them myself. I have yet to find a guide somewhere that talks about the technical differences between all of them.
Can someone else provide some helpful input?
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Unfortunately, mcord11758 and diablo009 are right.
The differences are minimal, and you need to research each ROM. The very basics are.
MOST roms right now are running Froyo 2.2.1. Some are still 2.2. The JPY, JS3, JS5, KB1(Stock 2.2) Are, for lack of a better definition, are build numbers.
What you'll need to do is, quite frankly, read up on one that has your interest, flash it and if it doesnt work well for you try another. Each Captivate may respond to a ROM differently to the ROM/Kernel/Modem combination. So you literally have to try it
Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe
its all about personal preference. cant really have a 3rd party tell em whats best for them. threads like this gets closed quickly.wth that said already, there's stock 2.3.3 KF1 for i897. i think stock is best for non-phonemodders
Yeah, I tend to agree with that stock would be best. But the thing is that I think google talk voice and video capabilities are dependant on it being 2.3.4 or +.I'm not sure,
Basically I would like to know about the roms that aren't as jumpy as other. Because As I Agree with it being a personal user problem, whn my fam have phne problems it usually falls in my lap.
Thanks,
PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?
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PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?
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They are looked down upon. Each developer puts their own time and hard work in to their roms. And having whoever say this one is best and that one sucks is not called for. Because everyone has their own opinions and no two are the same. Same for every rom they have their differences. which people may like and may not like.
Is why i look down on best rom threads.
I respect that.
I have hoped to have worded differently where What I meant was:
The ROM that has been toughly tested, and isn't dependent of users expertise on CPU OC, Configuration Files, Knowledge of ROOT explorer, SQL Browsers, ETC. (under the hood stuff)
Something that doesn't necessarily offer all the configurations options, that might get someone in trouble, that also offers the current latest android subversion.
I guess it's too much of a complicated question for a just simple yes or no.
So I guess I'll just find myself content in have asked.
I ment no harm in my comment but,
If you don't want them messing with so so or having this or that as an option then just leave them on stock like CremeFraiche had said (And maybe with lag fix kernel, if its still around) or teach them (if they are willing to learn) what stuff means, dose, and how it works. They in turn can decide on what they would want to suit them best.
I hope some of this can help you out
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Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe
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I think a great fit for ur Dad and wife would be Cognition 5 v1.00
Based on the leaked I897UCKF1 Gingerbread 2.3.3
MIUI definately!!!!!
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I would say Apex 8.2 or Serendipity 7
As far as GB ROMs go, I've only tried Apex. I liked it, it has good performance and runs pretty smooth. I haven't gotten around to trying out the other GB ROMs yet so I can't say anything about them. However a rooted ROM might not be the best to go with for them. Both of my parents got Captivates so I could be their goto guy for instruction and debug. I think giving them a Rooted phone is just asking for additional trouble. I think a stock ROM with a nice theme (if you want them to be a little different) is the way to go for them.
Hi Everyone. I just got my second Captivate today and am finally wanting to utilize it and Android to there full potentials. I had nothing customized on my first one so I am new to the developmental side of things. I am not uncomfortable with it though, so anything goes for me. What are the best recommendations? If you need anymore info let me know and I will do my best to provide it. Many thanks to everyone in advance!
Currently running stock everything.
Firmware Version
2.2
Baseband Version
I897UCKB2
Kernel Version
2.6.32.9
Build Number
FROYO.UCKB2
Just a quick rundown of what I personally did with my captivate. I got the AIO Captivate toolbox, Cognition 4.5.3 and the eXistZ kernal. Threw that all together and got it up and running very easily, and very smoothly. This phone is a beast now... I LOVE it! This thing runs like butter.
I'd go with gingerbread, but I'll stay away till an official release from Samsung and AT&T. Personal choice of mine...
Try out different roms and find one that fits you best. Be careful read the instructions and make sure you understand, before you try anything. And don't let other force roms on you
Good luck
Thanks for the suggestions Jason. I will keep them in mind and see if I like any of it.
And Thanks for the advice Speedy. I will be sure to read and read and read some more before I do anything to my phone.
I love the AIO tool box. I found it convenient and easy. Maybe you should start here.
FOR NEW CAPTIVATE USERS - READ HERE FIRST - FAQs | HELPFUL LINKS
It's a great thread to get you some good starting info along with a lot of great links to more detailed threads on specific topics. Give it a read. Between that thread and the links from that thread you will probably be able to answer most if not all of your questions. It's got great info, even for those of us that have been doing some of this for a while. Then after you've read all that flash some of those great ROMs out there and find one you really like.
Happy Flashing
?force a rom on you...like a rom bully?
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?force a rom on you...like a rom bully?
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Like when people say this rom or that rom is the best. Its all personal choice. I probably should have worded it differently
I never understand why it is not allowed to discuss the "best" rom. Obviously "best" is somewhat of a subjective opinion. But aren't some roms actually more stable than others? Is the rule about discussing the best rom in place so developers feelings don't get hurt? So no one can say rom x is a buggy piece of crap? Even if the rom was crap?
And people say it depends on your phone. That makes zero sense. All the phones are identical i897s.
A for sale sign?
A good thing on the captivate is odin one click back to stock just in case you mess up
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Cover your basses. Start with big roms such as CM7 and MIUI. They are fast and stable and can often be tweaked to function exactly as you wish. Start to narrow your way down to more homebrew roms if you remain unsatisfied.
I am currently on RocketRom JB v3 but since this will be the final version of RocketRom, I am looking for the next best ROM. So far I know all of the buzz is between Ultimate and AllianceRom.
So I just want a feel of what the community think and I will go with the one everyone think is best.
Go buy an iphone
I think this thread will probably either fall on deaf ears or you will get lots of comments about read both ROM's threads or try both and see what you prefer. You may also get helpful comments like the 1 above.
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You should understand that XDA is not about one rom against another.
This is all about helping and sharing.
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You should understand that XDA is not about one rom against another.
This is all about helping and sharing.
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I understand this very well and this poll was never intended to be about which rom is best for me, this poll is all about everyone here helping me decide which one to try first by sharing their thoughts on which one they think best suited them.
Most eligible thread to get closed (or over looked)
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Ultimate, it functions best to install as alliance relies on scripting and choices made throught an app.
For cleanest install thrn only possible for Ultimate as you can format system and data and install.
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Hi joosh3.
I'm can't post request on your Ultimate N7000 XXLSC 5.1 thread, so can you consider adding Recent apps button on the notification panel, near Settings button.
Or someone send my request to joosh3, thanks.
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Ultimate, it functions best to install as alliance relies on scripting and choices made throught an app.
For cleanest install thrn only possible for Ultimate as you can format system and data and install.
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Thank for everyone who contributed in this. I really appreciated it.
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Thank for everyone who contributed in this. I really appreciated it.
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You should make a summary of the results of the poll.
ultimate is the best TW rom so far ..nothing coms close to it ..ive tried most of the TW jb roms out there but i keep coming back to ultimate,no offense to the devs but my personal choice is ultimate
Ive tried em both, And both are extremely well crafted and run perfectly.
I wouldnt say one is better / worse than the other, they are equally as great in their own way.
The only advice I (as well as many others) can give is: Try them both ! test them for several days and see which performs better FOR YOU.
So these are the two roms that are currently popular huh? Thanks for helping to reduce my reading time. I'm surprised Ultimate is a bit popular than Alliance. But this is good to know.
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So these are the two roms that are currently popular huh? Thanks for helping to reduce my reading time. I'm surprised Ultimate is a bit popular than Alliance. But this is good to know.
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lol others are good to
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Ive tried em both, And both are extremely well crafted and run perfectly.
I wouldnt say one is better / worse than the other, they are equally as great in their own way.
The only advice I (as well as many others) can give is: Try them both ! test them for several days and see which performs better FOR YOU.
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Shift over... ill sit on the fence too,as I agree,but using ultimate,not for any particular reason as they are both v .good
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azzledazzle said:
Ive tried em both, And both are extremely well crafted and run perfectly.
I wouldnt say one is better / worse than the other, they are equally as great in their own way.
The only advice I (as well as many others) can give is: Try them both ! test them for several days and see which performs better FOR YOU.
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Thanks for your input, I actually tried Alliance first but for some reason I couldn't get it to work, constant boot loop, spent hours trying different ways to get it work but no cigar. I am currently trying out Ultimate, I am rather happy with it. I will follow your advice and try alliance rom again but probably after a few weeks of using Ultimate.
Thanks to everyone who contributed into this, by the looks of it, both Ultimate and Alliance comes really close and it is almost split in the middle of what the community thinks.
don't compare any rom on this forum, every rom has a plus and minus, you want to know what is the best one? try it yourself, and what rom seems match for you, because if you ask people here of course they have a much reason for himself why he choose "that" rom.
Thanks.
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don't compare any rom on this forum, every rom has a plus and minus, you want to know what is the best one? try it yourself, and what rom seems match for you, because if you ask people here of course they have a much reason for himself why he choose "that" rom.
Thanks.
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And that is what I am after, what majority of the people think is the rom "they" like best. Maybe I shouldn't of worded it as Ultimate Vs Alliance but what I want to know is statistically which rom is most popular. If people actually read the thread they should know this is what I was after at the very beginning.
Look in the development sections and see which thread have the most replies / views, they are mainly the most popular
Some have issues with Alliance, I had some myself, frequent bootloops, sticking on GT-N7000 screen and so on, but with a bit of tinkering I fixed it.
Now im using Ultimate, and it satisfies my every need, So im sticking with it Its Fast, Stable, Smooth, Rarely gets laggy and is frequently updated which is a main USP for me, I like the fact that the Dev listens to the users and is always improving on it.
But as the rest say, just try them all.. There are some wicked AOSP ROMs out there too so dont focus all your attention on TW JB Leaks, Unless thats what you prefer ?