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Xperia ROM development forum is a mess!!
Guys,
every day i see a new thread created by some users.
It is mostly like, how can i do this, how can i do that.
It is really simple, if you want to ask something about an option or a function that isn;t working then please post in the corresponding thread so we can have a clean forum.
Here is a link to the rules:http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=256
please read it guys, it is very annoying to see a new thread everytime.
mods, please put some time in this xperia forum with cleaning out the ''litter''
@ all, thank you very much for your cooperation.
Now @ 203 views and nobody has left a comment or suggestion or something like that?
I think this is what the community has become, like only get what you need and then use it and then complaining, no suggestions or anything, no thanks for the chefs ?
i understand what ur saying but a im pretty sure a mod has just moved some of the useless threads because a lot of them have been moved
Shazad.K said:
Now @ 203 views and nobody has left a comment or suggestion or something like that?
I think this is what the community has become, like only get what you need and then use it and then complaining, no suggestions or anything, no thanks for the chefs ?
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Stop complaining... j/k
No, I think you made your point. You don't need any more spamming of THIS thread.
yeah thats right the forum is mess
but why?
the people are lazy to read
i hope we can change this in the future....
greetZ
and to all other Merry X MAS
Shazad.K said:
Now @ 203 views and nobody has left a comment or suggestion or something like that?
I think this is what the community has become, like only get what you need and then use it and then complaining, no suggestions or anything, no thanks for the chefs ?
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No.
I think people read your post and ignored it because it contained nothing useful in itself. It's a public forum, if you want neat and tidy you're probably in the wrong place.
I'm not looking to pick argument it just seems to me your original post was pointless. In most cases the title of a thread gives you enough info to decided whether it's worthy of reading.
Sure there are plenty of people who come here just to get what they want and give nothing back, again it's the nature of the beast. But I think there's still plenty of people who are willing to give as well as take and on a whole the forum still functions well.
My biggest gripe would be people asking questions answered on the previous page (i.e. lack of search) not untidiness.
Also I think the X1 forum has lost a lot of active members to the LEO forum recently. Again this is inevitable given the age of the device and the progression of handsets.
The LEO thread is much more active currently IMO. POP over there, don't forget most of what they're discussing applies to our device too.
pheL said:
yeah thats right the forum is mess
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Confirm, a bit..
pheL said:
but why?
the people are lazy to read
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this is true, but some can also give reasons (which are also true) that some threads are really huge, specially good rom threads, on average they are 1000 posts longs, some go as long as 11,000 posts (valkyrie), when someone new get a rom and gets a small bug, it is really impossible to read all past thread, and unfortunately the thread search is not always helpful...
the best thing for a rom forum is to be a wiki, where each rom gets a page with generic information, and links to threads of sub pages that have useful information, like how to fix a known bug, or where to get an app that does that thing..... and leave the bla bla discussions or personal opinions on the forum.
some rom developers follow such a method, but partially, in the first few posts reserved for the rom you sometimes find links to common issues and solutions, but after a while everything gets messy again....
a ROM is a "product" that needs its own area or even a forum by itself. not a single forum for many products, this brings the mess....
but this need much organization, the price to be less messy
Newbies don't know their way around
Shazad.K said:
Guys,
every day i see a new thread created by some users.
It is mostly like, how can i do this, how can i do that.
It is really simple, if you want to ask something about an option or a function that isn;t working then please post in the corresponding thread so we can have a clean forum.
Here is a link to the rules:http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=256
please read it guys, it is very annoying to see a new thread everytime.
mods, please put some time in this xperia forum with cleaning out the ''litter''
@ all, thank you very much for your cooperation.
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You are right and its mostly down to newbies. I'm someone who makes a point of holding off on posting on a few forum until I see the layout, get the rules, etc. so I don't annoy seasoned members and get a bad rep for being stupid.
A lot of new members to the site are a bit out of their depth (I know I was when I first joined) and its not really only being used as a developers forum/site any more. If you're a newbie you've got two choices: (1) ask, (2) spend countless hours trying to work it out for yourself.
I guess the lazy ones are a bit thread happy!
EmuX
P.S. You can show people the rules but you can't make them read.
P.P.S. Isn't this another one of those clogging up threads that aren't anything to do with ROM dev though?! (joke)
I hovered around in the X1 forum for a little more than a year, and most recently, after getting a new (additional) toy, I moved over to another forum, the one which is mentioned here already.
Frankly spoken, I have the perception that the X1 forum here is quite in order, while the HD2 forum is a real mess. For many "similar" problems and questions, many newcomers open a new thread instead of using the search function. In case of the X1 forum, there is much more "discipline".
Plus, the mods of the forums are quite effective here, I would say.
I am still very thankful that xda devs exists, thanks to all who contribute, especially the cooks... and also to those who help understanding the forum (and its rules) to newcomers. All of us started "small" and as "newb", no? And from time to time, I try to help, too - even if I am just an "average" user.
Mods please close thread
I think the point is made.
mods, please close this thread
im partly responsible for your this thread and once agian, i am sorry....i promise u it wont happen again..
Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. ~Winston Churchill
Sorry to all the mods and admins again...
Not sure if this goes here but I thought that this was the most applicable section. If not then I apologize in advance and feel free to move it to the correct section mods.
Gridlock32404 on the XDA forums has put together a great guide to compiling for Android. I briefly skimmed over the post and it does much more then teach compiling. I personally think its a great starting read for anyone interested in getting started on doing more with their device besides just flashing.
Check it out with the link below. If almyz125 wants to add it to the Vibrant Directory that would great.
Gridlock32404's Guide to Compiling
mmalott said:
Not sure if this goes here but I thought that this was the most applicable section. If not then I apologize in advance and feel free to move it to the correct section mods.
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Personally, I feel that development guides belong in development as long as they're informative. In this case I think it's a good submissions. Thanks for the post
(although I really wish the mods would have thought more about my idea to change forums names to Roms, Mods, Themes, Guides, Think Tank, Q&A, Off Topic, etc.)
MWBehr said:
Personally, I feel that development guides belong in development as long as they're informative. In this case I think it's a good submissions. Thanks for the post
(although I really wish the mods would have thought more about my idea to change forums names to Roms, Mods, Themes, Guides, Think Tank, Q&A, Off Topic, etc.)
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I agree with the forum naming suggestion. Should be mandatory to read that post before anyone asks how to make or take apart roms. Very informative and easy to read imo.
Finally, a not useless post...
I have an Atrix 4G and a fair bit of knowledge on it. These forums are really good, but it would be useful if I could reply to threads in the atrix development. I have answers and questions, but I don't know if I need to be approved or something like that in order to post in the forums.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1069298
atrix4g18 said:
I have an Atrix 4G and a fair bit of knowledge on it. These forums are really good, but it would be useful if I could reply to threads in the atrix development. I have answers and questions, but I don't know if I need to be approved or something like that in order to post in the forums.
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Since you are past 10 posts now you should be able to post there. If it still doesn't work in a few hours, then you might ping one of the mods in that forum to take a look at your account and see if there is some issue there.
You need 10 posts to post in development forums, which you can find out more about by looking at the links in my signature.
The server only updates permissions periodically so yours may not have been changed yet, but you have the required post count.
I've had a look at your posts and you're not a typical "10 post spammer" that we see a lot of in here, which is greatly appreciated, but it's still worth a reminder about the following things.
Don't create threads in Development forums unless it's to release software. Questions go in either a relevant existing thread, or a new one in the Q&A forum (or General forum if there's no device-specific Q&A forum). And on that note, always search thoroughly before asking. Nothing irritates other members more than seeing the same questions asked over and again.
Anyway, just bare the above in mind and go enjoy the forums. I'm just glad I don't have to delete a bunch of pointless posts
Archer said:
You need 10 posts to post in development forums, which you can find out more about by looking at the links in my signature.
The server only updates permissions periodically so yours may not have been changed yet, but you have the required post count.
I've had a look at your posts and you're not a typical "10 post spammer" that we see a lot of in here, which is greatly appreciated, but it's still worth a reminder about the following things.
Don't create threads in Development forums unless it's to release software. Questions go in either a relevant existing thread, or a new one in the Q&A forum (or General forum if there's no device-specific Q&A forum). And on that note, always search thoroughly before asking. Nothing irritates other members more than seeing the same questions asked over and again.
Anyway, just bare the above in mind and go enjoy the forums. I'm just glad I don't have to delete a bunch of pointless posts
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Yeah man I just want to contribute. Do I need a "thanks" or something like that ?
Also can an admin "approve me" or something like that? My only other question is the five minute between post wait can that be removed? For example I'm just waiting now to send this reply, it's no big deal, just wondering.
Also I posted a thread here asking basically the same question, I don't know how to delete it, but here's a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783730
atrix4g18 said:
Yeah man I just want to contribute. Do I need a "thanks" or something like that ?
Also can an admin "approve me" or something like that? My only other question is the five minute between post wait can that be removed? For example I'm just waiting now to send this reply, it's no big deal, just wondering.
Also I posted a thread here asking basically the same question, I don't know how to delete it, but here's a link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1783730
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Nope, its not reflected by Thanks Meter. Just 10 posts is decent enough. For deleting/closing that Thread, you need to contact the Forum Specific Moderator assigned to that Forum.
mf2112 said:
Since you are past 10 posts now you should be able to post there. If it still doesn't work in a few hours, then you might ping one of the mods in that forum to take a look at your account and see if there is some issue there.
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Thanks, how do I "ping a mod" ?
@coolsandie alright thanks. I guess I will just wait.
atrix4g18 said:
Thanks, how do I "ping a mod" ?
@coolsandie alright thanks. I guess I will just wait.
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At the top of each forum the mods responsible for that forum should be listed. I was suggesting to send one of them a PM, but Archer answered you here.
I got it. Thanks for the help I can post now!
@mf2112 thanks it's working fine now I can post replies !
Hello community.
I am old fan of these forums (changed 5-6 phones over years) and always find it most usefull from all other over internet. Recenty I have feeling that this XDAdeveloper network became something they initial wanted to avoid and over the years they strugle with petitions etc.
THE FREEDOM OF INTERNET (and your right to speak free)
Fact: Threads are closed on every mimics and blinks of eyes all over the forums or posts deleted.
Please consider this as Discussion but not flaming and be gentle and polite to everyone who rise voice. What's are your thoughts?
xCookie said:
Hello community.
I am old fan of these forums (changed 5-6 phones over years) and always find it most usefull from all other over internet. Recenty I have feeling that this XDAdeveloper network became something they initial wanted to avoid and over the years they strugle with petitions etc.
THE FREEDOM OF INTERNET (and your right to speak free)
Fact: Threads are closed on every mimics and blinks of eyes all over the forums or posts deleted.
Please consider this as Discussion but not flaming and be gentle and polite to everyone who rise voice. What's are your thoughts?
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Agree... Fxp cm10 thread for sola was closed twice. No explanation.
Ps: first time it was reasonable.. But 2nd time.. There was no reason for closure..
Sent from my MT27i
-shaMe- said:
Agree... Fxp cm10 thread for sola was closed twice. No explanation.
Ps: first time it was reasonable.. But 2nd time.. There was no reason for closure..
Sent from my MT27i
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Coz it was continuously being spammed wid useless posts so it was btr to close it off
There has to be a balance between freedom and rules
100% freedom means no rules and thus things going out of control
Xda is well managed
Rest of the internet... Is good until CIPSA is passed...
Edit - reported for mod review... Its btr we discuss phones and not our freedom on xda
This place has rules and its best to follow them
xCookie said:
Hello community.
I am old fan of these forums (changed 5-6 phones over years) and always find it most usefull from all other over internet. Recenty I have feeling that this XDAdeveloper network became something they initial wanted to avoid and over the years they strugle with petitions etc.
THE FREEDOM OF INTERNET (and your right to speak free)
Fact: Threads are closed on every mimics and blinks of eyes all over the forums or posts deleted.
Please consider this as Discussion but not flaming and be gentle and polite to everyone who rise voice. What's are your thoughts?
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u noob are u craze
do u want to destroy the form i don’t agree
OP, yes Freedom of the Internet is just that, free to speak but with any organized sense of freedom there are rules to help govern or else it would be randomness/uselessness.
Regarding XDA, as with any forum there are Forum Rules and when Members violate them....then action is required. Maintaining a Forum of this size of Members is a task, but remember this is a Development Site, not a social site.
And as you seem to think your freedom is taken way with the maintenance that is required on the threads, keep in mind again the sole purpose of this site is for Development.
To OP - in short, I agree.
I've opened threads or discussed things which were deleted. Some mods I've communicated with were reasonable and fair but many were not. Communicating with some of them by PM, some were very angry, aggressive, unreasonable etc. I tell you, my nieces and nephews who are young seem calm and resonable by comparisson. Also, I'm quite sure a lot of 'support' goes on behind the scenes. Post number and thanks meter are currencies here, they go far beyond 'showing appreciation' etc. 'Might is right' that's the attitude of a bully or a dictator, not an authority . So, it's 'open' and 'democratic' only up to a point - where it suits particular people. The policies for complaining were equally a joke, in my experience. After that, I decided to keep my posts strickly related to my 'mod' interests and never get side-tracked again. When these people make you angry, remember to let it go, this is not the real world.
ok... i had four android devices: Defy, Xperia Sola, Nexus 7 and Razr I, still have three of this (sola, Razr I and Nexus 7).... Only in this forum i have seen this kind of constriction of users... i could give some examples: In Defy Android Development Forum, cm10 port for Defy, made by Quarx (maybe someone know him, he was the winner of the December contest for devs), there is a enormous flood of noobish post (how to install, stupid questions about fc's, stupid thanks posts, etc.) despite three or four threads in general sections for reporting bugs and other stuff correlated, but Quarx did deleted or close thread? No! Because he only focus in what really matter: Development. He ignores everything else. So, maybe, some devs could learn about this behaviour. And what mods tells about it? sometimes, they made a soft cleanup of useless post...that's all... Sometimes Closing thread doesn't help at all to the community.... I think mods maybe could take a more practical and polite position...
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ok... i had four android devices: Defy, Xperia Sola, Nexus 7 and Razr I, still have three of this (sola, Razr I and Nexus 7).... Only in this forum i have seen this kind of constriction of users... i could give some examples: In Defy Android Development Forum, cm10 port for Defy, made by Quarx (maybe someone know him, he was the winner of the December contest for devs), there is a enormous flood of noobish post (how to install, stupid questions about fc's, stupid thanks posts, etc.) despite three or four threads in general sections for reporting bugs and other stuff correlated, but Quarx did deleted or close thread? No! Because he only focus in what really matter: Development. He ignores everything else. So, maybe, some devs could learn about this behaviour. And what mods tells about it? sometimes, they made a soft cleanup of useless post...that's all... Sometimes Closing thread doesn't help at all to the community.... I think mods maybe could take a more practical and polite position...
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I never saw any 'useful' thread being closed by our mods in this sub forum....
Cm10 thread was closed twice..reason because of spam..only posts such as thanks and great... Yippy... Etc etc
I reported the thread twice to b cleaned
There is a great inflow of members.. Every day 100 of noobs are added and merely few developers...
Useless posts really makes it difficult to find actually useful info..
When I was new here I did created a thread which was closed and I did pm'ed a moderator abt it
Bt now I understand I was wrong... U just cant let this place be cluttered wid useless threads and posts
drsanket_xperia_u said:
I never saw any 'useful' thread being closed by our mods in this sub forum....
Cm10 thread was closed twice..reason because of spam..only posts such as thanks and great... Yippy... Etc etc
I reported the thread twice to b cleaned
There is a great inflow of members.. Every day 100 of noobs are added and merely few developers...
Useless posts really makes it difficult to find actually useful info..
When I was new here I did created a thread which was closed and I did pm'ed a moderator abt it
Bt now I understand I was wrong... U just cant let this place be cluttered wid useless threads and posts
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if you need to find some "useful" info, you always can use the search function of xda... I know a lot of noobs doesn't even use that before posting, but i expect that some of the "old" users could do it...
espaciosalter20 said:
if you need to find some "useful" info, you always can use the search function of xda... I know a lot of noobs doesn't even use that before posting, but i expect that some of the "old" users could do it...
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Yup I knw search function
Btw ho do u expect me to find something useful in a thread wid 100 pages and 1000 posts...
U never knw what are u 'exactly' searching for... Upto the level of thread search performs good ... Within a thread and specifically for finding something useful... Its a pain
Dont u think it is necessary to prevent unnecessary posts and threads? Closing a useless or a mirror thread is necessary
Once people realise there Is no one to check/control... The place would go garbage
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Yup I knw search function
Btw ho do u expect me to find something useful in a thread wid 100 pages and 1000 posts...
U never knw what are u 'exactly' searching for... Upto the level of thread search performs good ... Within a thread and specifically for finding something useful... Its a pain
Dont u think it is necessary to prevent unnecessary posts and threads? Closing a useless or a mirror thread is necessary
Once people realise there Is no one to check/control... The place would go garbage
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Only if members of this forums were more kind and helpful to everyone we could avoid a lot of questions and together we could make more easy the job for the mods. That's something that i miss of Defy Development forum: The sense of real community, in fact, the little knowing about android modding and dev, i have learned in there. You could check for yourself what i'm talking about: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1768702
drsanket_xperia_u said:
Yup I knw search function
Btw ho do u expect me to find something useful in a thread wid 100 pages and 1000 posts...
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Me too! I always have that problem, you try as best as you can.
I recently went to the discussion thread of the unofficial Sola Jelly Bean port. The discussion thread is now also closed. I contacted a mod to ask for information. There was no information in the thread! Next, we will be banned from discussing the discussion of the deleted thread...
dev should ignore newbies because its not the fault of all of us. we dont deserve to lose the scope of JB. and when i had my defy i only knew 1 god for my mobile.. Quarx.. he made things which were not possible without him. i though sola's god was better than him. but he is pissed off by few noobs.
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Me too! I always have that problem, you try as best as you can.
I recently went to the discussion thread of the unofficial Sola Jelly Bean port. The discussion thread is now also closed. I contacted a mod to ask for information. There was no information in the thread! Next, we will be banned from discussing the discussion of the deleted thread...
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Mods arent that hard...and never will be
How many of us have received any official warning?? None of us I guess bcoz we were smart enough to refrain ourselves from posting non sense... Bt not all have that sense...
We need to understand what mods do is best for the forum... We may be relatively new here bt not the mods.. Some have been here since the website was started... Some although 2-3 yrs old on website spends a lot of time here keeping the place clean n organized.
Unless u do something wrong u wont b caught...
Here at xda we are given several official warnings (sometimes just our post /thread deleted or locked n no warning) before being taken down by a mod...
Ok, good. This is discussion already...
I see people with yes and people with no policy but only because some n00b members don't know how to use this forum (don't forget that there is a lot of amount of young people here - under 15 probably) and they probably don't know how things are going here. If this is a BIG problem for forum moderators (huge amount of new members) I suggest to lift boundaries on "when someone can post something" - think about it... it would be less thanks posts and "yipee"-es.
Please continue...
Here are my thoughts:
I still don't understand why we're still whining about munjeni's lost. Yeah, it's painful and disappointing but guys, we should carry on. Since he has given permission to use his work from the "JB PORT Discussion thread" (can't give the link because the mods deleted it), we can start from what he has left. I don't know why's that the JB thread of thunder is still closed. I know nothing compares to munjeni in terms of developing but we still have great devs here and I still have faith in them. Not just because munjeni has left, the development on JB will stop. I know it's a painful lost but we can't do anything about it anymore, we can just learn from it so that we will not lose another dev again. Come on guys....seriously.
Move on and what? If you think people are whining perhaps you can't understand their motivations. I can understand at least two reasons:
1. As the OP says, there are questions of freedom of expression. An example of this which I mentioned was the thread closing (without information) of the discussion thread of those of using the unoffical Jelly Bean port which, is a bit excessive. This is a ROM on my phone now (and many, many other's) and we simply can't discuss it now. Next, we will be banned from discussing the thread closure of the disucssion on deleted ROM. That's when you know it's North Korea - you can't discuss anything. I think these concerns are valid, even if some don't.
2. You need to learn something when things go wrong, or they will repeat themselves. Simply 'moving on' guarentees a repeat of the same experience. That's why people are discussing it.
But I want to know,why munjeni left us.?
Sent from my MT27i using xda premium
MUHAMMAD KHALIL said:
But I want to know,why munjeni left us.?
Sent from my MT27i using xda premium
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Sir, that would be something to ask that Member directly....and not take it from hearsay.
MUHAMMAD KHALIL said:
But I want to know,why munjeni left us.?
Sent from my MT27i using xda premium
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heres some light
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=40354794&postcount=438
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well... Moderators deletes and close thread or comments its normal, its what they do.... they must have valid reason to take actions.
good thing, they are still human and not AI. if they are not here... we'll ended up something like demonoid. people will start posting what ever they want, links to paid apps that they rip or mod. Others will have hard time catching up with roms since everyone starts to copy each other work and claim its theirs....
in short... i dont agree freedom of internet in XDA
hello, here is a problem with fox manager
message "Failed to access root or magisk"
how to correct thank you not find in search
I know why these magisk which have lost rooting, in magisk I have not available and on zygysk the same I no longer remember the manipulation to do to correct this.
I got the wrong subject it's in magisk I should have posted
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hello, here is a problem with fox manager
message "Failed to access root or magisk"
how to correct thank you not find in search...
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I get the same error. Root is fine, though. All installed modules are not (late edit) listed properly in the modules tab.
m0han said:
I get the same error. Root is fine, though. All installed modules are listed properly in the modules tab.
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The issue persists with the 'large maintenance update' 0.6.2. Does anyone know a workaround for this? Root is fine otherwise. Installed modules are not listed, though.
Hello m0han, the first time I had the update of the fox manager same concern. The update days no longer concern magisk in place root ok, see when I turn it off whether magisk root jumps or not.
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.... the first time I had the update of the fox manager same concern. The update days no more concern...
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I'll check with upcoming releases
Màhan ,reboot my S10 after misa days message in red as you is magisk off
can be escalated to the developer of fox’s application manager. he must have a way to fix this problem no. I have essential root no backup in this application, can be with the magisk boot image by reflashing direct with essential root the application.
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
m0han said:
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
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So... Not haha-funny?
I'm a bit lost on what we did wrong in your opinion. As you're publicly shaming us (while we always respond to PMs), might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links but I'm on mobile right now, perhaps I'm missing something. Feel free to elaborate.
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So... Not haha-funny?
I'm a bit lost on what we did wrong in your opinion. As you're publicly shaming us (while we always respond to PMs), might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links but I'm on mobile right now, perhaps I'm missing something. Feel free to elaborate.
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I've already asked @Bill720 to provide more information to @m0han as Bill was the one who moved the post out of a thread and instead created a new thread out of this post. Please let me know if you like more information privately.
@m0han Mam, Sir! I hope you agree that we don't require your consent at all if a post by you created in whatever thread is converted to an own thread. You voluntarily decided to post information on XDA but it's solely on the XDA staff to decide where the correct location for your post is. I'm convinced you're going to receive more information by @Bill720 but due to his real life I'm aware about it might last 4 - 5 days. Fell free to privately contact Bill 720.
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Timmmmaaahh! said:
... might as well throw it all on the table. I'm all for transparency. I don't see any impersonation via those links....
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Oswald Boelcke said:
.... we don't require your consent at all if a post by you created in whatever thread is converted to an own thread....
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wow! didn't know you guys would make the conversion selectively.
the post that started it all, the one i quoted to make my post in the first place, is not moved.
there was another post by @Stillhard where he called me (and maybe @meric57) 'mad' and asked for another thread to be created, which is now 'mia' on xda. i suppose @Bill720 created the thread based on that post.
isn't @Stillhard's out-of-context post offending? clearly, he wasn't offering any help or guidance. wasn't he 'publicly abusing' us, as opposed to my so-called 'shaming you'? was my post deleted (ss 04) 'cos this was the post @Stillhard quoted to call me (and @meric57) 'mad'?
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
m0han said:
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
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Mam, Sir!
I've to admit I'm "surprised" that you intended to discuss this event publicly although as you've pinged us @Timmmmaaahh! and I were well known to you. Due to your ping, I even released an at that point obviously closed information, informed you who (@Bill720) handled your post and suggest you to contact him. For whatever reason you decided to stay public and to belittle our moderation and moderators' capability as my partially quote above shows.
I'm just now 3 1/2 years into the moderation business at XDA, and if you monitored me my moderation style has changed over the years and months - something that permanently occurs in real life. And I can assure you that we always - I repeat ALWAYS - handled everything including clean-ups to the most fair and clean extend. However, all of our moderators are humans; XDA doesn't use any AI like Google etc. When you registered on this private website 10 years ago, you most likely didn't note or meanwhile just ignored that this website has grown up to more than 11 miliion users, 75+ million posts in 3.5+ million threads. I'm not looking for excuses, especially not on a weekend, but did you ever relate this to the number of moderators? You're free to count them here. All these very few moderators are volunteers who do this "job" absolutely for free and just by our dedication to the XDA Forum besides our real lifes, real families and friends, real businesses and occupations. If you believe we get anything like devices etc. for free; negative, there's nothing.
And if you now believe I'm upset by your public posts: This is absolutely correct!
If you don't like how my fellow moderators or I handle the XDA Forum, I think there are two alternatives I suggest to you:
Data Deletion Request on XDA-Developers (GDPR)
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or - and maybe the better alternative - if you're able to prove your competence, interest and capabilities in case you want to change or enhance the moderators' operations:
We currently need new Forum Moderators
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Oswald Boelcke
m0han said:
XDA mods can be funny. Like when they do a job without being asked to and leave it half-done.
Why was a thread created in my name without my consent?
Why are these posts allowed to stand?
This was the starter: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
Another one: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
This too: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
My posts, if OT, could have been deleted.
Delete this thread. @Timmmmaaahh!, @Oswald Boelcke
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Sometimes, life can be funny. I'll respectfully challenge you on "without being asked" and "leaving it half done," however, since those seem to be the biggest sticking points.
Your post was reported by another member, so that should help clear up the "without being asked" aspect of the inquiry. As far as "leaving it half-done" is concerned, the posts you mentioned do not explicitly mention that Fox2Code program. If you're convinced that they belong in this thread, feel free to let me know, and I'll be happy to move them to complete the cleanup.
While your post didn't explicitly reference Fox2Code's program either, being the post that was reported, it received the bulk of the scrutiny. I took the liberty of running a web search to try and piece it together for everyone's sake. Once done, I grafted out posts that appeared to have been obviously related into their own thread, where I still believe that they rightfully belong (rather than remaining as off-topic posts in an unrelated thread).
m0han said:
wow! didn't know you guys would make the conversion selectively.
the post that started it all, the one i quoted to make my post in the first place, is not moved.
there was another post by @Stillhard where he called me (and maybe @meric57) 'mad' and asked for another thread to be created, which is now 'mia' on xda. i suppose @Bill720 created the thread based on that post.
isn't @Stillhard's out-of-context post offending? clearly, he wasn't offering any help or guidance. wasn't he 'publicly abusing' us, as opposed to my so-called 'shaming you'? was my post deleted (ss 04) 'cos this was the post @Stillhard quoted to call me (and @meric57) 'mad'?
hope it's not too much to expect you guys to do a fairer and cleaner clean-up.
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You'll have to point that one out to me, as I did not personally perform any further cleanup in the thread aside from what was moved to this one. To reiterate, I'm not here to ruin anybody's day or single anybody out, so, if you feel that any straggler posts remain in that thread that should obviously be in this one, (stemming from your original off-topic post) you are more than welcome to let me know.
Oswald Boelcke said:
.... if you now believe I'm upset by your public posts: This is absolutely correct!
If you don't like how my fellow moderators or I handle the XDA Forum, I think there are two alternatives I suggest to you:
Data Deletion Request on XDA-Developers (GDPR)
XDA collects and stores a very limited amount of personal information from our users and never sells or shares personally identifiable information with anyone. Please see our privacy policy for more information on what data we collect and how it is used. We value your privacy and will comply...
www.xda-developers.com
or......
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the data deletion page is actually for account deletion. so, you're hinting that i delete my account? i'll think about it. and, thanks for alerting users about the need for new mods.
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.... Your post was reported by another member, so that should help clear up the "without being asked" aspect of the inquiry. As far as "leaving it half-done" is concerned, the posts you mentioned do not explicitly mention that Fox2Code program....
.... I took the liberty of running a web search to try and piece it together for everyone's sake..... if you feel that any straggler posts remain.... (stemming from your original off-topic post)...
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when that someone reported my post, did he/she request you to create a new thread? you could've simply deleted that post, since you seemed to agree with him/her that it was ot.
@meric57, @Stillhard, @huskydg all mentioned 'fox' - check screenshots in my post above - those posts remain in place (i didn't even mention that name, did i?). if a thread had to be created, at all, it had to be in @meric57's name.
it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
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What I find most surprising is that you're putting us on the spot here without any clear reason. This isn't the first time that you're challenging us with your vision on how we should moderate. If you think it's that easy and you can do better, then by all means: become a moderator. But I will not have my team mates being insulted for doing their volunteer work in good conscience. Such lack of respect for all what we do for this community is unfounded and uncalled for. For what, even? Because we didn't cater to your needs and you feel we have some sort of bias in an internet forum cleanup? All while we are always up for discussing this with anyone that has any questions about our moderation. You will need to bring some harder evidence to the table before ridiculing us like that. We will always approach a cleanup in a way that we feel is the most objective one and of course that will disadvantage some people. That is just a reality we all have to deal with in all sorts of aspects in life.
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it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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That's not how it works, though! You can't just insult us and then tell us to wipe it under the rug in the same breath. You've picked your battle and now we'll settle it. Throw anything at us and we'll gladly explain our actions.
It still doesn't make any sense to me what any of us did wrong here. Only 3 of your posts were removed on August 5 in a large cleanup of "Magisk General Support / Discussion", which we have already discussed in private, after which you stated to me: "Case closed. Thank you.". In that private conversation I stated "...such busy threads are really hard to moderate and it requires a tremendous amount of patience to remain neutral all the time. I am not immune to this either, we are still human beings. We do try hard though ", which still very much stands.
After that one more of your posts was removed last Saturday, which contained "i feel for you", a response you outed to another member that had mildly insulted you with the words "you mad?", which was also removed.
Are you know hunting other members that post anything even remotely off topic? Because we'll only step in if we feel it's needed to, not because you're telling us to. That doesn't go well with any form of authority. That said, all of our members are encouraged to report anything that potentially violates our terms and we will 100% look into it.
Timmmmaaahh! said:
What I find most surprising is that.... You can't just insult us and then tell us to wipe it under the rug in the same breath..... all of our members are encouraged to report anything that potentially violates our terms and we will 100% look into it.
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What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
m0han said:
when that someone reported my post, did he/she request you to create a new thread? you could've simply deleted that post, since you seemed to agree with him/her that it was ot.
@meric57, @Stillhard, @huskydg all mentioned 'fox' - check screenshots in my post above - those posts remain in place (i didn't even mention that name, did i?). if a thread had to be created, at all, it had to be in @meric57's name.
it's surprising, to put it mildly, that you don't get the picture although marked screenshots have been provided in serial order for quick perusal.
it may be noted that the closing sentence in my first post here (the first three posts are by the mods) was to delete the thread.
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The person who reported the post did not request that I split the off-topic chatter into its own thread. My own common sense requested that. I try not to make a habit of deleting posts for no reason, so that is the reason for the chosen course of action.
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What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
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Again, if you feel that there were other posts that should also have been grafted into this thread, you're welcome to let me know. At the time, during my brief assessment, I moved only the posts that appeared to be obviously and directly related. Sometimes, during this cleanup process, it is possible that some items were missed.
Anything you do is wrong, as long as it's not right. Keeping the forums clean is everyone's responsibility, however, so I hope that this answers your question adequately.
Bill720 said:
The person who reported the post did not request that I split the off-topic chatter into its own thread. My own common sense requested that. I try not to make a habit of deleting posts for no reason.... there were other posts that should also have been grafted into this thread..... it is possible that some items were missed.... I hope that this answers your question adequately.
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No, it does not. Let me try to elucidate - again: It was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. That is wrong, since it is not right.
You, being a mod, can move the first post regarding 'fox' to the top of this thread making it the 'op'; everything else can follow that in chronological order.
And, you can go ahead and move all the other 'fox' posts to this thread since you term them as that being off-topic in the threads they are in at the moment - if you don't plan/wish to delete them, i.e.
Since you seem to have difficulty getting the picture from the screenshots provided, here are the links, for your convenience:
1. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344169
2. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87344607
3. https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...p-edits-and-more-v6-1-2.3789228/post-87384473
from another thread:
from: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...third-party-magisk-fork.4460555/post-87379839
to: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/...third-party-magisk-fork.4460555/post-87386063
Hello everyone, no need to worry about this. I am seeing on gitub with fox2code for this problem which persists, today updated 0.6.3 of fox manager for magisk rebelotte. message in red and magisk root absent so I have to reflash with odin.
I've moved the relevant posts over.
m0han said:
What I find utmost surprising is that you still don't see that it was not me who started with 'fox'; yet you chose my post to start the thread. Why? Is somebody 'reporting it' reason enough to drag someone else into a mess?
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Having your post moved over to a dedicated thread - making you the op - is dragging you into a mess? Okay. Solved. When we receive a report about something it catches our attention, we will act or we won't as we deem necessary.
m0han said:
So, you're saying 'xda mods can be funny' (wonder if haha-funny would've been ok, as you seemed to imply) is insulting and 'you mad?' is not, as is mentioning contents of PMs in open threads.
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Oh, we're hilarious, but it turns a bit darker when someone's throwing insults at us. Again, that 'mad' part was also removed, which is us saying it's not allowed. You're again twisting this to discredit us.
m0han said:
Anything I do is wrong and anything the mods do is A-OK, right? I think I know where this is headed.
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Just the insults, that was the breaking point. So please, take a lesson from all this: if you believe thread maintenance wasn't performed properly, find out which mod performed it (ask any mod) and address them privately. Or just make another report. Then explain what should've been done differently in a friendly manner. And no, of course we're not perfect or everything we do is always "A-OK", that's what I also kept communicating. Just know that we do our very best to keep this community clean and welcoming to all and there's much more than meets the eye to achieve that goal.