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Hey guys. Just got a captivate a few days ago and I love it except for the gps. I was just wondering if the leaked build of froyo improves the gps at all and if its worth updating before they release the official one. If so, where can I find the latest version of the leaked build? Thank you for any help.
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The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.
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The leaked Froyo does not necessarily improve on GPS because many people don't have issues where many people do. Give it a shot and search different methods of changing your LBStestmode settings to see what works. Second, for me it was worth installing as 2.2 offers stuff you cant have on 2.1 such as the newer Gmail, flash 10.1 and other goodies. It is faster as well. Search the threads in the Dev section for different ROM's and how to flash. Ask questions about flashing after doing exhaustive searching because you will be able to find most answers in those threads.
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x2...makes the phone 100x better.
Cognition 2.2 Beta 9.1.1
Grab this and never look back.
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I'm kinda on the fence about this as well. I should be getting my Captivate tomorrow and I have been doing a crap ton of research in the past few days. Everything I have read points to either the "Official Leaked Froyo 2.2" or the newest "Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1". My only concern is the known issues that are listed on the Cognition website...
MMS won't work if you have "(" or ")" in your phone numbers
Contact groups sometimes opens the wrong group, you can fix this by replacing it with an I9K contacts.apk, but then you lose AT&T contact syncing
No Voodoo voices, supercurio is working on this (first boot will take awhile, be patient!)
Everyone has the same device_id
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Is this true with both builds listed or just with the Cognition v2.2 BETA9.1.1? I'm also completely new to Android being that I am a fomer iPhone junkie. So any help, how-to's, or info would be appreciated. In all honesty I was going to start here, youtube.com/watch?v=S9YnSVvfHpQ and if that wasn't successful go ahead and try Cognition. I'm just the type of person that likes to have things working properly and fast, like everyone else.
And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.
I would point out that DesignGears has a perfectly rockin' cognition for eclair too. My first flash was 2.1.4 and it was amazing compared to stock eclair.
nothing really helps the gps, you either got it good, or not. (much research into that opinion btw.)
Cog 8.1+ is the shiz atm.
There's a couple of other froyo flavors also. I wouldn't go back to eclair at this point.
If nothin' else, it's a crap ton of fun flashin' and figuring stuff out. I'd do it just for that.
Not sure on MMS. I had no problems with it, but my numbers were already formatted without the parenthesis.
The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.
unless you use the i9000 ROM with captivate kernel, all Captivate Froyo builds are based off the captivate beta of Froyo.
It had a enough bugs that i rolled back to 2.1. Don't get me wrong, it is stable - but I figure i will wait for a more bug free beta to be the basis of my Froyo jump.
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The ability to do these type of things is what lead me to the Android platform over the iPhone OS, it's just too locked down even with it being jailbroken IMHO. I'm just basically looking for a point of refferance I suppose. Basically the things to do and not to do to the phone you know. For me it's more of a challenge because I'm learning something new. I don't know if it's because I'm not looking in the right places or what but it seems like step by step guides are hard to come by regarding this stuff.
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Not so much. You just gotta be patient and diligent. There's a couple of gems laying around but they are usually in the middle of a thread. The cognition thread for example. It's a beast to keep up with but given time you can digest most of what you need there. And there are plenty of links throughout that will clarify or intimidate as your experience and skill allow. Trouble is there's a TON of junk because people get impatient, or lazy I guess. Same questions, over and over.
I came to the captivate from a blackberry. Not much customization goin' on there. So as a stone noob, I read the cognition thread from post 1. All of it. I am a pretty confident android operator now. And I can't read nor write a line of code. In any language!
And you can too. Get busy, Grasshopper.
If you live on campus or rely on some sort of enterprise WIFI then go to froyo. Using eclair I could NEVER connect to the wifi at my school. It would say that I was connected of course but no data would transfer.
I switched to Froyo and haven't had problems since.
Also, my GPS is rockin!
alphadog, what "bugs" did you have when using Froyo? And what you mentioned is a lot of where my confusion comes into play, "kernals and ROMs" are like greek to me and I have no idea what they are or what the difference is between the two.
Sulphur, thanks so much for the advice. I'm gonna go check out the Cognition thread now and see what I can dig up. That's really what I needed, just a starting point. I'm thinking as of now I will go with the latest Cognition build for a bit and see how that goes.
DirtyRasa, no campus here but I do rely on wi-fi pretty heavily. I use it at home all the time to cut down on charges to my bill for data usage, so that's good to know. Just curious though, are you using the leaked Froyo or the Cognition build? And if you have had both which one do you prefer?
cybercowboy, wasn't trying to jack your thread or anything but I was in search of the same info as well.
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And for those wondering why I have been a member for over two and a half years and this is my first post, I have usually been able to find what I need and not had to ask questions.
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More power to you. I see tons of people on here less than a month with hundreds of posts more than me.
-->Back on topic. YES go with Froyo! There are many options available, but for noobs, i'd reccomend the either a DG ROM or the leaked and tweaked.
Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thats no problem mindburn. The more information the better. I actually flashed to the leaked froyo last night and so far so good. Gps is still horrible. I think im gonna try the cognition build tonight and see what I like better. Ill let you know.
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Thanks man, almost sounds as though you are one step ahead of me actually. I get my phone tomorrow and I was going to actually try the leaked first and then cognition. Let me know how things turn out for you and I will in return do the same.
So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.
U should of done DG's AOSP beta 3! That's what I'm rocking and have had it for almost a month and its amazing! I wanted to use cognition but I read on ppl saying they had bugs or it just wasn't stable for them. But to each their own! Unfortunately when I last checked DG closed the thread on that ROM. Glad to know u got froyo going! I made the switch from an iPhone jailbroken to the captivate and it's amazing! I'm still new to android but u just gotta read everything and their r so many ppl who are willing to help!
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With the announcement of the official froyo coming out in about two weeks, i think i'll just stay where I'm at for right now. I don't wanna try and win the triathlon with only a week training.
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So I got the phone yesterday and let me say, when I got it out of the box I knew I was going to like it. This damn thing looks sexy as hell! Anyway, 10 minutes after I got it I had successfully upgraded to the leaked Froyo and rooted the phone. Everything is going fine and I haven't had any problems thus far. It is at times a little buggy but I have learned that if I kill some of the tasks, the speed seems to improve. I thought about try Cognition today but when I load it up, I've only got the odin.exe, PDA.tar, & PIT.pit. Do I have to have CSC & ETC file mentioned in the program as well? Also, what exactly are these things, I didn't have to do anything like this on the stock Froyo.
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The pda and pit file are all you need. he just put everything in those two files. Flashes just fine that way.
Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!
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Just a quick update for everyone, I am now running the latest Cognition 2.2 BETA 9.1.3. And I *MOD EDIT* love it! This thing is super fast now, pretty amazing really. I also somewhat have my homescreens the way that I want them as well. Only questions to everyone now is what do you all run? What are your must have and go to applications? Like the best of the best kind of thing.
BTW Sulphur, thanks!
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Glad to hear it and no problem. My must have's are Launcher Pro, Root Explorer, xda app, and silly as it sound, beautiful widgets. I dunno. Taste has no template.
have tried just about every custom out there with the exception of insanity and darkys roms.
Pondering both for my next flash....anyone have recommendations for which they prefer.
all comments welcome and encouraged but would doubly appreciate feedback from those who have used both.
Several threads like this have already been locked in the past 2 days. Why start another one?
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Several threads like this have already been locked in the past 2 days. Why start another one?
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I apologize if i am in error. I didn't realize there was any problem asking for specific feedback or recommendations on a particular rom or roms.
According to the forum rules what is wrong with my post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=263#td_post_81
If i am in error please delete thread.
Just look through both Dev threads. That will give you lots of information on what people like about each one. And if you have flashed about everything under the sun flash both because chances are you will eventually.
I was just pointing out that these kinds of threads have been getting closed left and right the past few days. ROM recommendations are really very subjective. No one knows what your requirements are and how a ROM will fit them. What works for one will not necessarily work for all others. And the ROM Dev forum is really a better place to be looking.
I will add that anything i9000 based like Darky's has plusses and minuses. The plus is that you get great HSUPA speed. The downside is you get the EU flavor and features that don't work. Spelling of some things is EU, options for FFC are there but don't work.
There are many other details.... I just hope for the Captivate source/official release soon so we can get a true captivate 2.2 kernel and tools to build from.
Assonance all the way.
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I was just pointing out that these kinds of threads have been getting closed left and right the past few days. ROM recommendations are really very subjective. No one knows what your requirements are and how a ROM will fit them. What works for one will not necessarily work for all others. And the ROM Dev forum is really a better place to be looking.
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1. I was asking for feedback most specifically from people who has used both roms. This wasn't a Whats the best rom ever thread.
2. The developer thread definitely would not have been a place to post this and in my extensive use of the forum and reading and re-reading of the rules i fail to see how this post violates them. So again if i am mistaken...my apologies to all and i beg on the mercy of a mod to just delete the thread. (i have read both threads for the two stated roms....was hoping to hook more direct compare and contrast from users who have played with both.
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Assonance all the way.
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lol have used assonance so i was just looking for feedback and comparison between darkys and insanity.
flashed darkys earlier and its a pretty rom but don't think i am liking it any more than Doc's or Chronus so i may give Insanity a run before going back to chronos or doc's.
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I will add that anything i9000 based like Darky's has plusses and minuses. The plus is that you get great HSUPA speed. The downside is you get the EU flavor and features that don't work. Spelling of some things is EU, options for FFC are there but don't work.
There are many other details.... I just hope for the Captivate source/official release soon so we can get a true captivate 2.2 kernel and tools to build from.
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hey thanks for being one of the first to post feedback thats actually relevant =)
i had went with darkys and what you said is right on. I think i still prefer Chronus Rom and Doc's most recent so will probably flash back to one of them but may give insanity a quick trial before.
So Darky's rom ported over to the Captivate as seen in this thread switches what exactly to make it Captivate-specific...just the modem, kernel and a few GPS-related modifications?
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So Darky's rom ported over to the Captivate as seen in this thread switches what exactly to make it Captivate-specific...just the modem, kernel and a few GPS-related modifications?
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appreciate the link. had already trialed darkys...nice but i went back to chronus 2.0 for now.
funny i had just flashed it when i saw my other favorite rom (doc's) posted an update.
I'd go with the non-racist sounding one.
Should I eat Whopper or chicken sandwich? Which 1 is better? Any recommend? Haha
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Should I eat Whopper or chicken sandwich? Which 1 is better? Any recommend? Haha
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Personally, I am partial to the breaded chicken sandwich with cheese and bacon. It is quite the treat, and you should only eat one per year to avoid heart conditions, lol.
On topic... I've been looking to start venturing into custom ROM's on my Cappy, but I am tempted to wait and see if Cyanogen ever devs their 6 or 7 for Captivate now that they are dev'ing for Nexus S...
I have used pretty much every ROM out there, even the ones that do not make it to the Captivate forum and so far Darkys is my usual go to ROM.
For some reason, when selecting the Gallery images, it is the only one that does not lag before going to the zoom in and out window.
I am not using Lag fixes btw with any 2.2.1 rom.
have had a chance to play with both....no more recommendations needed.
wow, 10 chars
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If Obama is the answer, how stupid was the question?
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Best sig ever
I am on the dark Rom with the 2.2 no oc/uv death and its fantastic. One of the best battery i have had on a Rom.
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Is there somewhere with a Captivate ROM comparison? I've been away for a month and a half, and holy crap have things changed! I am soooo confused. Running Cog right now.
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Is there somewhere with a Captivate ROM comparison? I've been away for a month and a half, and holy crap have things changed! I am soooo confused. Running Cog right now.
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Que the flaming. (should be in the Q&A section)
They change so often, that I think it would be hard for someone to maintain the tread on it. You pretty much need to do the research yourself on each ROM and decide which is best for you in performance, look, and battery life. (Thats what I do anyways) I like to try them all in order to get a feeling for them.
It has indeed been a busy month. Not sure where to direct you for an across the board comparison, but as for myself i've read a lot of threads and am presently completely content running perception 10.1 with dg's firebird 2 kernel and jk4 modem on my i896. Everything works, including hspa in both directions, gps gets a fast reliable lock, and battery is great. Planning to stick with this til there's a good stable gingerbread rom.
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It has indeed been a busy month. Not sure where to direct you for an across the board comparison, but as for myself i've read a lot of threads and am presently completely content running perception 10.1 with dg's firebird 2 kernel and jk4 modem on my i896. Everything works, including hspa in both directions, gps gets a fast reliable lock, and battery is great. Planning to stick with this til there's a good stable gingerbread rom.
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Thanks gents. I knew I was going to get roasted for this.
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Thanks gents. I knew I was going to get roasted for this.
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Once in a while, it's worth the roasting in order to get something like this going. In an ideal world, it is a great idea. Would be a nice place to do "One stop shopping". Maybe some ambitious individual will take it on.
It all depends on what you want
I just started flashing, so I didn't know a lot about the roms either, the advice they give to just jump in an start flashing is the best, it's scary at first but I started thursday and I'm already on my third flash Just read the documentation and watch install videos, follow all the steps, don't be lazy and you'll be fine.
I really like the new roms based on the rogers firmware just coming out, everything seems to work perfectly, I picked a great time to start flashing
Cognition 3.01 is really good and a clean android experience, but no HSUPA or firebird kernel
I just flash firefly 1.0 and this rom is sweet, HSUPA, great gps so far, though it does have some themed aspects I don't like, but I'm more concerned about functionality than themes.
Good luck finding what works for you.
i was where u are at not too long ago, and i did tons of reading
This guy might help you a little tho, he just started a youtube channel comparing Captivate roms ---> http://www.mobiletechvideos.com/ROM_s_in_a_FLASH_REVIEWS.html
cool thanks
http://capfaq.com/w/ROM_Table
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Is there somewhere with a Captivate ROM comparison? I've been away for a month and a half, and holy crap have things changed! I am soooo confused. Running Cog right now.
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I asked this a month ago and got flamed then my post got deleted. It was ridiculous.
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How is this development? Thread moved.
Also, threads about "which ROM is best" and "ROM features" tend to cause more trouble than they're worth, as we get the fanboi effect, and it turns into a flamewar. As such, they get closed to prevent trouble.
Look at the wiki, as that would be a good place to make a feature comparison. But remember that everyone's experience with a ROM is different. That's why you need to try it for yourself, and not just go by what someone else says
Oh, and remember to post in the right section next time, please.
What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
Probably the most stock-like ROM you could flash would be Cognition. Great ROM, has all the features you could want.
Alternately, you could run Serendipity if you want the Gingerbread look.. Or a CM7 build if you want actual Gingerbread (though buggier than the other ROMs)
Firstly, right here on the front page is a Q&A section of this forum. That's where a question like this should go.
Regarding the answer -- IMHO its so subjective that it'd be hard to recommend anything other than a stable rom that has mass appeal, usually noted by the amount of replies to a roms thread. In short, cognition would be a good starting point. I used that for a while and had very few problems. I upgraded to cyanogen a few days ago and there are certainly some bits (namely network related) but I consider myself a power user so the added features more than makes it worth it.
Well, first off, I would move this to the Q&A thread.
But I would recommend Precision or Serendipity to flash. Use the theme when flashing Precision if you want something all Black/White. If you'd rather have that stock feel, I'd go with Cognition. It's really all just trying out different ROMs and seeing what you like. All three of those are fast and will enable tethering, but yesterday, AT&T announced they will start charging rooted users tethering fees if they catch you doing it. Theoretically, they won't be able to detect the tethering if you stay under 2GB of data, though.
Hope that helped!
It depends on personal preference, wrong section to post in. Just saying and not trying to be rude
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What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Although the Romitchen.org is closed for some time, their captivate section has the most compatible stuff. I have used three different roms from there and all give me full functionality - GPS (for me this works real great with Navigon), Bluetooth, Wifi, Email, Text etc. without any hassle whatsoever.
I currently have a ROm that i built from there that works great....Can post it up if you want it?
Cheers !
Its 2.2.1
Thanks for the replies and my apologies for posting in the wrong forum. Looks like cognition will be the best one to start him out on. Thanks again
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What's the recommendation for a solid, basic rom I can install on my friend's Captivate? He is most definitely not a power user. He just wants his phone to operate faster and be able to enable wifi tethering. He is currently running on android 2.1, so I figure going up to 2.2 at least will help and I have already rooted it. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks
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I'd recommend either Phoenix or FireFly. Both are rock solid, for the beginners FireFly might be better. They are both very good ROMS, and have great suport
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I'd recommend either Phoenix or FireFly. Both are rock solid, for the beginners FireFly might be better. They are both very good ROMS, and have great suport
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I totally agree with Phoenix or FireFly. Totally stable, fast, and the UI's are great. I also think it's absolutely retarded to repeat the issue with this being in the wrong thread. I swear... some of you have a real issue with power tripping. I'm pretty sure after he read the first post about it he understood pretty well. this is XDA!!! Good job on just throwing out an answer Kangi26! That's what we're all here for. HELP!!!
Designgears makes good roms for those starting off, and good roms, just in general. Back in August when I got my cappy my first rom was I believe his first rom release, [srv] 1.0 or something. It was kinda my gateway drug. But his roms are good for beginners because the process for flashing is very simple, and most of all they're pretty stable. So for people unwilling to do deal with bugs, or are prone to complaining about things they don't want to really understand as yet, designgears offers a variety of solutions.
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just as everyone else has mentioned, make sure to post in the correct section to avoid cluttering the forums.
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Does Firefly unlock/enable tethering or will I still need an app like Wireless Tether? (I did read the first few pages of the official firefly thread but did not see the answer there...)
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Does Firefly unlock/enable tethering or will I still need an app like Wireless Tether? (I did read the first few pages of the official firefly thread but did not see the answer there...)
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I'm almost 100%, it does. I'm running Phoenix (kind of the big brother to Fire Fly, and it is supported)
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Wahoo a best rom thread, Have not seen one of these in awhile.
Ok Well there is no "Best Rom" Just a "Best for you rom". I have my favs like everyone else but your best bet is to try them out as you see one that catches your eye. No one can tell you what rom you would deem best it.
Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe
its all about personal preference. cant really have a 3rd party tell em whats best for them. threads like this gets closed quickly.wth that said already, there's stock 2.3.3 KF1 for i897. i think stock is best for non-phonemodders
Yeah, I tend to agree with that stock would be best. But the thing is that I think google talk voice and video capabilities are dependant on it being 2.3.4 or +.I'm not sure,
Basically I would like to know about the roms that aren't as jumpy as other. Because As I Agree with it being a personal user problem, whn my fam have phne problems it usually falls in my lap.
Thanks,
PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?
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PS: I hope this tread dosen't get closed as fast as you say, I figure it's the Q/A forum, if it cant be posted here, where can it, right?
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They are looked down upon. Each developer puts their own time and hard work in to their roms. And having whoever say this one is best and that one sucks is not called for. Because everyone has their own opinions and no two are the same. Same for every rom they have their differences. which people may like and may not like.
Is why i look down on best rom threads.
I respect that.
I have hoped to have worded differently where What I meant was:
The ROM that has been toughly tested, and isn't dependent of users expertise on CPU OC, Configuration Files, Knowledge of ROOT explorer, SQL Browsers, ETC. (under the hood stuff)
Something that doesn't necessarily offer all the configurations options, that might get someone in trouble, that also offers the current latest android subversion.
I guess it's too much of a complicated question for a just simple yes or no.
So I guess I'll just find myself content in have asked.
I ment no harm in my comment but,
If you don't want them messing with so so or having this or that as an option then just leave them on stock like CremeFraiche had said (And maybe with lag fix kernel, if its still around) or teach them (if they are willing to learn) what stuff means, dose, and how it works. They in turn can decide on what they would want to suit them best.
I hope some of this can help you out
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Hey Yall, I'm a longtime cappy user,
Have had a couple already but I have moved on to the Atrix, great phone btw,
But the cappy still holds a special place for me. Anyhow, I would like to get everyone's help in deciding roms for my Dad and Wife, Which I'm giving cappy's to as presents.
Now The main reason is that I would like to keep in touch using the gtalk voice application. (I travel alot and this is very usefull when I'm abroad).
So , in you guys oppinion, what would be the best ROM for people who don't mess with the phones and just want them to work and being able to use 2.3+
Thanks
Gabe
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I think a great fit for ur Dad and wife would be Cognition 5 v1.00
Based on the leaked I897UCKF1 Gingerbread 2.3.3
MIUI definately!!!!!
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I would say Apex 8.2 or Serendipity 7
As far as GB ROMs go, I've only tried Apex. I liked it, it has good performance and runs pretty smooth. I haven't gotten around to trying out the other GB ROMs yet so I can't say anything about them. However a rooted ROM might not be the best to go with for them. Both of my parents got Captivates so I could be their goto guy for instruction and debug. I think giving them a Rooted phone is just asking for additional trouble. I think a stock ROM with a nice theme (if you want them to be a little different) is the way to go for them.