[Q]Captivate's flaws - Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

For the last 5 months I've been an Xperia x10 user.
After quite a bit of frustration I'm considering moving to Captivate.
Are there any flaws which I should know of?
Closed bootloader? camera issues? gps issues? signal? lack of support from samsung?
I know that it's a bit hard to answer honestly in a loving community but I don't really want to make the same mistake as I did with the x10.
So any little frustration you know of, I'll be glad to hear.
So far I've been browsing the forums and it seems a LOT easier to brick your phone and most of the ROMs and kernels are modified i9000.
Anything else?
Thank you for your patience.

alexsupreme said:
For the last 5 months I've been an Xperia x10 user.
After quite a bit of frustration I'm considering moving to Captivate.
Are there any flaws which I should know of?
Closed bootloader? camera issues? gps issues? signal? lack of support from samsung?
I know that it's a bit hard to answer honestly in a loving community but I don't really want to make the same mistake as I did with the x10.
So any little frustration you know of, I'll be glad to hear.
So far I've been browsing the forums and it seems a LOT easier to brick your phone and most of the ROMs and kernels are modified i9000.
Anything else?
Thank you for your patience.
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Yes.
No.
No.
Yes.
Sometimes.
Yes, but that's why you're here.
Make or buy yourself a jig and learn how to flash.
Last thought, read the stickies many times.
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Well honestly its all about opinion because each persons captivate is different the bootloaders are not locked its pretty hard to brick if you have any sense at all and read the directions. The gps is questionable by that I mean its a toss up it might work excellent or it might be crap the camera is alright I like it but once again its opinion there is tons of support in this community which means a whole lot of great roms to try. But honestly the descesion comes down to what do you want I've had my cappy since September last year and I love it I think its amazing. Just watch and read a bunch of reveiws and comparisons just to see if its the phone for you I hope I helped a little bit and good luck
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What is the jig for? kinda didn't get it.

alexsupreme said:
What is the jig for? kinda didn't get it.
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The jig is a tool that connects pins 4 and 5 of the USB jack to force the phone into download mode from almost any state. It's useful when you need to get to a low-level state to fix problems that can't be fixed any other way, and when you can't use button combinations or software to get there.

jmtheiss said:
The jig is a tool that connects pins 4 and 5 of the USB jack to force the phone into download mode from almost any state. It's useful when you need to get to a low-level state to fix problems that can't be fixed any other way, and when you can't use button combinations or software to get there.
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Thank you very much for the answers.
So far the community looks really supportive although I'm still torn between captivate and atrix.

The jig cost me $1.19 + tax at radio shack. Took about 3 minutes to make. Used a little scotch tape and BLOW!, almost no risk of bricking your phone.

I'm pretty new to Android and XDA, but have been very impressed with the Captivate community. I'm running Continuum 4.0 and have had very few problems, but you should note that after flashing custom ROMs with a new kernel and modem, it will take a few recharge cycles (2-3) to give you an accurate picture of battery performance.

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[Q] Is SGS the best Android phone yet?

Is SGS the best Android phone yet?
Yes
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Nexus S is probably better at this time..
Well, i have one, wich is bricked at the moment :-(.
When you are using its great, yes its the best, but SGS fails badly in one HUGE thing, at least for me, USB connection to PC, this is very, very bad and for me drops the score for SGS from 10/10 to like 8/10.
For a 600$ phone, USB connection should be perfect, ill go a lithe further and tell you that for that price you shouldnt have to be flashing firmwares and lag fixing your phone UNLESS you wanted too, that for me drops even more the score of SGS to like 6.5-7/10.
Ill tell you one thing, SGS2 is on the way, but ill think a LOT before buying it, ill make sure these basics things are ok in the SGS2, cause im very disapointed with SGS.
Guilherme.accorsi said:
Well, i have one, wich is bricked at the moment :-(.
When you are using its great, yes its the best, but SGS fails badly in one HUGE thing, at least for me, USB connection to PC, this is very, very bad and for me drops the score for SGS from 10/10 to like 8/10.
For a 600$ phone, USB connection should be perfect, ill go a lithe further and tell you that for that price you shouldnt have to be flashing firmwares and lag fixing your phone UNLESS you wanted too, that for me drops even more the score of SGS to like 6.5-7/10.
Ill tell you one thing, SGS2 is on the way, but ill think a LOT before buying it, ill make sure these basics things are ok in the SGS2, cause im very disapointed with SGS.
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Well with a Mac the USB connection is absolutely no problem. With Froyo 2.2.1 I've got no lag. In fact no complaints at all. Now an even bigger screen would be nice...
Rofa1 said:
Well with a Mac the USB connection is absolutely no problem. With Froyo 2.2.1 I've got no lag. In fact no complaints at all. Now an even bigger screen would be nice...
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Hi Rofa,
the thing is, you can't rate a equipment solo based on your experience, google for "SGS USB" and you'll see that a bunch of users have this problem and usb connection at least for me its a basic for a phone.
Generally if you have a USB problem its Drivers or your PC .
jje
JJEgan said:
Generally if you have a USB problem its Drivers or your PC .
jje
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Hi JJEgan, i tested my phone in 4 diferent computers, 3 different OS, with the samsung drivers, none of them recognized the phone.
I tested mine under vista. Works fine. I think its just you. But you are right a 700$ phone shouldnt have so many issues out the box.
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I haven't had USB issues with my phone before?
But then again i use dropbox for most small file transfers because i'm lazy..
nwsk said:
I haven't had USB issues with my phone before?
But then again i use dropbox for most small file transfers because i'm lazy..
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i use dropbox too, or used to use , but know that i need the usb to re-flash a rom it is giving me a ultra hard time
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Hi Rofa,
the thing is, you can't rate a equipment solo based on your experience, google for "SGS USB" and you'll see that a bunch of users have this problem and usb connection at least for me its a basic for a phone.
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LoL, that's a good one. I know a bunch of people who have SGS - not even one of them had any USB problems, I also haven't seen a lot of threads here on xda about the problem.
I never ever had problems with USB connection (did have with Kies, but that was Kies problem) and I had 5 different firmwares (no manual flashing, 2 upgrades over Kies and first two were done by service).
Maybe you have defected phone, I don't know, but I think you're a noob and don't know how to use your phone and pc or you've just fu*ked up something somewhere.
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LoL, that's a good one. I know a bunch of people who have SGS - not even one of them had any USB problems, I also haven't seen a lot of threads here on xda about the problem.
I never ever had problems with USB connection (did have with Kies, but that was Kies problem) and I had 5 different firmwares (no manual flashing, 2 upgrades over Kies and first two were done by service).
Maybe you have defected phone, I don't know, but I think you're a noob and don't know how to use your phone and pc or you've just fu*ked up something somewhere.
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Are you paid by Samsung to offend anyone that doesn't think their product is perfect ? or are you just a fanboy who can't stand the phone you use receiving critics, i couldn't care less for you "expertise", you are such an expert that had your firmware updated by service, i couldn't care less for about you think of me, if i am a noob or whatever you may think, you don't know me, so keep restricted at answering the post, not what you think of me.
Galaxy S do have problems out of the box, i have one, i like it, but im not blind to its negative points.
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Galaxy S do have problems out of the box, i have one, i like it, but im not blind to its negative points.
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Exactly. I have had my phone replaced because of a dead internal SD card. I have had lagging problems, but not as bad as some others have mentioned. My GPS works sporadically. Because of these problems I would have to say no. But, I haven't tried any other Android phones, so I don't know what others are like.
An expensive phone like this, or any phone with this hardware for that matter, should not have problems like this. A quality phone should have no major hardware problems.
I think that manufacturers can, at times, release a product that is not ready for prime time so that they can make the profit from that device. If they take the time to properly test it, they will not make as much money as fast.
Will I but another Samsung phone? I do not know, but I do know I will definitely look at others before I make my decision.
Ian
Usb problem?
Well that's very few that has and 99% of them has bad drivers installed.
There are a few bad sgs with different hardware foult and usb is one if them.
This is common on all hardware.
This is a advanced phone and it gas a few bugs like all other advanced phone. If you don't want them you need to buy a basic phone.
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mull54 said:
Is SGS the best Android phone yet?
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No, but it's better than the Nexus S. To my mind it just feels to cheaply made and plasticky
I agree that this phone is cheaply made, but design of this phone is realy cool I think and I never had problems with USB connection. I think it's feals cheep becous phone is wery light. But i think the price is rigth, becouse we get powerfull phone with Super amoled screen. Other phones has werry good built quality, they haven't SAMOLED and they are not so powerfull as SGS. Other phones has their + and -like SGS. And I have no lag at my SGS. It's not rooted and there is no any lag fix. I just managing running aplications in background. I think it's really good phone.
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Well i guess we must see the sgs on a different way.
On 2.1 it was laggy and things worked bad sometimes.
On 2.2 things got alot better.
On 2.2.1 things is very good. Not much lag and things works good.
You also get more memory.
The 2.2.1 version should be the first version that shipped with the sgs.
I think they rushed the release of it, but they all do that.
But the fact is that sgs is the best and the most powerful android phone today.
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The htc desire hd is very very cool, i had it for a short while and was very impressed, but due to gettin an upgrade soon i sent it back and am stickin with my galaxy s, i love this phone.
As someone stated earlier we shouldnt really need to be doin lagfixs and stuff like that, but with every phone does come a few problems, and its handy to have so many people helpin out and makin roms for us to enjoy, i have stock 2.2.1 and dont actually need a lagfix or anything.
Hopefully the galaxy s 2 will be bigger and better than this
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a rhetorical question......
i actually have one but i personally dont think it is...
id reccomend a google nexus

CM7. Worth it?

I have had my cappy since release and have been flashing roms since. I'm some what of a techie so I have had no issue with the process and feel comfortable flashing CM7, but is it worth it. Should I wait or indulge myself? Thanks for the input.
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Personally I think you should go ahead and try it. It's by far the best rom I have ever ran and don't plan to go back to other roms for a long time if at all. It just runs so smoothly and just has an overall good feel to it. As far as everything is working for me it is very stable and usable no real issues that matter after the most recent update so I absolutely love it
It's worth it to try it. Just try it and see if it fits your tastes.
And if you don't like it, it's worth it to flash back to stock
I tried it and liked it, I just know that the CM7 team is going to be pushing out bigger and better things... It's just a matter of when. So for now, I'm sticking with Cog 4.1 and a custom kernel.
Thanks for the input guys. I think I'm going to give it another week and sed what else they release then I'm going for it!
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Make sure you know what works and what doesn't and if that's important to you. I know HD video doesn't and that might be a minor/non issue to those who say CM7 is great and works flawlessly for them. You have to apply your own criteria because someone elses may be far different from yours.
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Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
Known Bugs
Front Facing-Camera (Obviously, as our Cappys don't have Front-Facing Cameras)
Polling problem on RIL (works after lock and unlock)
2G/3G toggle (works if no data connection is active)
Compass (works not at 100%)
USB sharing of external SD-Card
commands: reboot recovery, reboot download (maybe not possible to implement)
FM-Radio
TV-Out
If you're fine with the above, I actually think it's really stable for a Beta. It's up to you The process is a bit hard to do than a normal ROM though.
Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
Roof King said:
Seems you have made it a personal crusade out of warning people of the inherent dangers of CM7. Anytime someone asks any questions there you are. I don't think I've heard anyone including myself say that the rom is flawless but I could make a long list of bugs from every rom that has ever been released for the Captivate. Hell, I remember when DG put out Cog based on the 10/10 leak and he was pushing updates almost every night to fix things.
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It seems he is on a crusader against a lot of things. The eternal pessimist
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Miami_Son said:
I could point you to a dozen posts where users of CM7 either downplayed the issues or claimed it was running flawlessly on their Cappy. I can also point you to as many posts of people who screwed up the install or had other issues with it. Both get pretty tiresome.
This thread is no different than asking which ROM is best and should be closed just like those are. It really is a personal preference. At the least, it should have been asked in the CM7 sticky, that's what they're here for.
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Lets be fair, there have been tons of threads because someone bricked their phone flashing cognition, serendipity, etc. I have helped some that have soft bricked their phone just trying to root.
There have been hundreds of threads because of odin soft bricks.
I am on two weeks with it on my phone. the issues that exist, if you read, are all avoidable. I am not "claiming" anything other than it is more than stable enough for daily use, but it is a work in progress.
Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend. Treat your phone like the valuable hardware it is, and don't flash if you are unsure
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
CM7
I'm running Juiced 1.2. I love it.
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Is it worth it, yes, as long as you can read and comprehend.
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That's a major caveat in here, seeing how common sense is at a premium these days.
Ps. Have you submitted your mod application
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I'm already a mod or admin at several other sites, including a cell phone site. They all have pretty much the same rules and expectations and about the same number of users that disregard both. Mr. Clown and Zelendel do a fine job, but the users also have a responsibility to help out when possible. There are a number of stickies in this subforum specifically for certain ROMs. They were created to help reduce the clutter and keep the forum focused. This thread should have gone there along with a number of others. If people would just take a moment to think before starting a thread, this place would run a lot smoother, especially for those who view it from their devices. Just sayin'.

Rom

I was just wondering why there was only one ROM out for the Revolution?
I'm sure there is a logical and easy answer. I don't get a lot of time to read through all the threads so please forgive me if the answer is right there slapping me in the face
currently we only have 1 (thecubed) developer making roms for the lg revolution...
I understand as well. I see a lot of roms out for other handsets but I will say the rom that was made by thecube has been great!
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It probably has more to do with LG NOT releasing the source code.
Phone is not made by HTC... Devs seem to like them the best...
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Just try to the rom that Thecube has made. It is great, light weight, and very easy on the battery. If it is missing something, I am sure he would be more than happy to give you some additional assistance.
I honestly like the fact that only one person is working on it, then you are not risking getting buggy roms on the forums here. And it's easier on the person doing it I am sure, because that is all he is working on.
I wish this phone was more popular over all, I think it's a great phone, certainly the best I have ever had. I had a BB Curve 8330, the Moment, the Transform. Then the HTC Desire, after trying the Samsung Galaxy for a week (yuck), and now this one.
Sorry for the tangent there. I dig my phone.
markapowell said:
Just try to the rom that Thecube has made. It is great, light weight, and very easy on the battery. If it is missing something, I am sure he would be more than happy to give you some additional assistance.
I honestly like the fact that only one person is working on it, then you are not risking getting buggy roms on the forums here. And it's easier on the person doing it I am sure, because that is all he is working on.
I wish this phone was more popular over all, I think it's a great phone, certainly the best I have ever had. I had a BB Curve 8330, the Moment, the Transform. Then the HTC Desire, after trying the Samsung Galaxy for a week (yuck), and now this one.
Sorry for the tangent there. I dig my phone.
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Agreed much nicer phone then my Inc and that was an awesome phone.
I'm sure more developers will come along. Although we are very lucky to have a good one currently.

Now I understand why people don't like android...

Hello all, I know this will sound like a rant against the phone but in reality I just want to know if others share my opinion or if I'm alone on this one thus making the "problem" me.
I recently bought an HTC sensation 4g and I have a problem called companies customizations!
My problem with sense is that it has tons of apps that I don't need: ereader, stock; or other that I need but are bloated: weather.
It's probably a seller to see big cloud on such a great screen, but on the long run I wished it opened up immediately with the hourly forecast and less fullscreen animation to drain battery.
I heard a lot of my friends that didn't like android (mostly hated samsung or htc) and I never understood why. My nexus one with stock android wasn't the prettiest phone to look at (compared to iphone) but with some customization it was quick, usable and provided more functions than pretty graphics. But now I know! With loads of extra useless apps and their contents or awkward design choices (like the not very friendly coverflow looking thing to choose backgrounds and such). Yesterday I heard from my friend that his girlfriend galaxy s came with avatar and they had a long struggle trying to remove it from the phone sd card because they didn't care about it. When I checked the phone the avatar icon was still there since they're not very tech-savvy.
Don't get me wrong I don't hate my phone, the hardware is great, the screen is better than I expected, I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery. Apple doesn't do that and there's a reason "normal" people tend to pick up an iphone so quickly.
I wish there was an official way to ask companies to make all this stuff optional! Please don't think that I have it with HTC or sense, I'm referencing sense because that's what I experienced this problem with. Let me know what you think maybe if others have this issue with companies, we could organize a petition or something?
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies .my Samsung had a heap of unwanted bloatware and service provider crappy useless battery consuming memory hogging apps the best thing i ever did was root this phone no more random reboots battery improved by 50% and everything on the phone is what i want on it not something that the companies think or want you to have on it .So with all that said if you have patients and can do some searching on the xda forums you will find a solution to what you want to achieve on your device .Believe me if you like it now you will love it when you get it the way you want it.
Hope that help .
I moved from iphone 4 to the SGS2.
One thing i know whatever i do to this phone it can be fully restored back to stock and the warranty will still be there providing i don't brick the phone
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Mustoura said:
That's not android its more of a service provider and hardware supplier way of getting a cut from development companies.
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He said that himself
DBBGBA said:
I love android, but that extra stuff that I really don't need should have an easy way to come off, it should not be installed in a way that I can't remove it without rooting. No wonder why people hate android... it's because they mistake android for the extra load it comes with it that slows down the phone, uses their monthly data and drains their battery.
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I could not agree more with the OP. I used Nexus 1 builds on my HD2 for about 8 months and loved it. I've now got a Samsung Galaxy S2 (I just wanted a newer, faster phone, but with the same size screen), and despite being a great phone I found myself longing for that AOSP experience. I tried a couple of AOSP ROMs in the SGS2 forum and breathed a sigh of relief at how much difference they made, but they unfortunatly aren't currently stable enough to use day-in-day-out. So I've recently gone down a different route - MIUI. I've literally only done it today, and so far I'm loving it.
Anyway, I digress. There should be some manufacturers out there that recognise this gap in the market and sell basic Android phones, with no other crap on them. I know Google do that (obviously), but I wish more did the same. People shouldn't have to know how to flash a ROM or root and freeze apps, just to get the best possible basic Android experience available.
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Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Mustoura said:
Point taken and yes i agree.
I missed that bit as I'm half asleep
Wow i just had a read over again i apologies that i missed that whole section lol sorry for telling you how to suck eggs
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Heh. I have a sneaking suspicion that you're not the 1st person to comment on a post after not reading it correctly. I reckon in the history of the internet it's happened at least 3 times
Id like to see a major manufacturer do a little experiment on there next big handset.
Supply two different versions, one with there overlay and one aosp fresh from the oven, see which one sells.
I know they are only trying to add functionality to the device but they could at least write there apps properly so they dont cause wakelocks and hog resources, hell there's a whole forum full of very competent developers im sure would be happy to help
@johncmolyneux
off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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off topic but have you tried the latest Cm7 for the SGS2? the latest nightly is pretty complete, the devs have done a stand up job. Keep it aosp baby
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I've not, but I've shied away from non-standard ROMs normally. After the very favourable MIUI experience I may well give CM7 a play. I did have a sort of CM ROM on my HD2 for a while, but it looked and played pretty much like AOSP, but was blue instead of green.
Thanks for the advice
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I was the same meself tried a few out and stuck with Villain, been testing CM out occasionally to see how development is going and very impressed! if i'm not mistaken Miui is based on CM so if thats working for you its party time
the main thread with the download link is in the Q&A thread in Q&A, just so you know
Was rocking Hyperdroid Cm7 on my HD2 too so i know the feeling
I think I just officially hijacked this thread! sorry OP
That's why I have a g2x, pretty much vanilla android. But then again, just take all that crap off yourself or flash a custom rom.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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What would really be the difference in the phones if they were all AOSP? Sure they've got different hardware specs, but if all had the same hardware, it'd be nearly impossible to know the difference.
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Not sure you get it Sir!
aosp = stock android = no bloatware
Standard and fast for you to add what YOU want, not have crappy coded apps forced on you that are difficult to remove.
Simples
I agree...
But I think this Operating System Fragmentation is a USA problem. Sure it happens elsewhere. The problem is the carriers use the bloatware and other specialty apps as a revenue stream. So far, Apple is changing that game and Google is doing what it can but with so many handsets and the open nature of Android it's really hard to control. I won't say anything about the closed ecosystem Apple has built vs the Android Market since both have redeeming qualities as well as flaws.
I have 3 phones on my account, all android. All were rooted on first day out of the box and had all that bloatware removed, including Inception which took up too much space on the memory card.
I wish the USA would take the approach found almost everywhere else. You pick your phone, then you pick your carrier. There's lots of great stuff going on elsewhere in the world like NFC, handsets that aren't gimped by the carrier... etc.
Just IMHO.
Cheers
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Actually, that is a very valid point. People would end up buying phones purely on colour and shape, if the hardware was close enough and they were all AOSP. I do like mynamesteve's suggestion of manufacturing 2 devices - 1 with their own software and 1 with basic Android, but I can't see anyone really doing that unfortunately. I guess there isn't really a practical solution to this. Not that I can think of, anyway.
Incidentally, I like your avatar. Homage to The King. He may be dead, but his burgers most certainly are not!
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But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
mynamesteve said:
But really deep down arn't they all just android?
I will admit the overlays draw customers, I was drawn in by sense bk in the winMO days (RIP) but other than some fancy widgets its really not much better than stock.
I understand they get paid for most of the note/ereader/Doc Dre beats headphone rubbish that gets shipped so things will most likely not change
but thank you for treasures like this website.
I know tings i.e. rooting can be daunting for the beginner but if ya follow the guides and read, ya never know you might even learn something (John this wasn't directed at you at all just peeps in general i know your a kick ass developer, i read it bk n thought wtf lol)
TLDR:read it
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
I have to say, if it wasn't for HTC I wouldn't have an android phone.
Tried a Nexus ROM on my HD2, really hated it. Tried the SGS2, really couldn't get on with it (nice screen though).
I can understand and respect that many people do like aosp, and I'm glad that we have the options available to us.
My stock sensation is fast and sense 3 is lovely and polished.
I really wish carriers (apparently mostly in the US) didn't take a fast phone and turn it into something reportedly sluggish though.
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To a certain degree, yes, but the SGS2 doesn't even have the stock Android launcher available, never mind the cluster of Samsung apps that everyone seems to be freezing straight out of the box. Samsung have pretty much made it their own device, which is obviously fine, and it's still a very stock-looking experience, but just freezing apps doesn't make it AOSP unfortunately.
I think (italics because I'm not sure) that a lot of people would learn more about their device if it was a bog-standard stock Android experience from day 1. They'd try different apps and launchers etc.. I've got a friend with a Desire HD and he's never even opened the Market app. He's 0% techie, so fair enough he's not gonna undervolt and overclock the thing, but he didn't even realise he had a satnav device! I don't want to turn this into a xxx manufacturer against yyy manufacturer, but certain other devices on the market are popular because of what they can do. I think Android is being sold short by not making it obvious how far it can go. That, I believe, is partly down to having a device loaded with apps that obscure the possibilities.
Rant over
BTW, thanks for the compliment, but I'm simply a developer. This place has far more kick ass developers than me!
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Sadly no it doesnt make it aosp and as the user above pointed out theres a lot of fragmentation in android, manufactures are messing with the core of the system and not just building an overlay/launcher.
Sometimes this works sometimes this doesn't i do feel alot of the resources could be used to better the stock system, better all round compatibility, better drivers and make android better for all there users. but thats like asking for world peace, and im no CEO of a major corp so what do i know
But i know how it works in the real world, i gave my sister my HD2 and she doesnt care what Rom is on there as long as it looks nice and everything is there out the box. (cant believe i gave her the most versitile handset on the planet with that attitude but thats beside the point )
The OS ease is very important to people and i understand that for a non-tecky, i think that is also part of the reason why we cant have stock out the box, the 'mobile market' needs the icon on his device to begin with so the manufacturers try to supply that, but do it very badly.
Phew! sorry about that.
I also much prefer AOSP.
I loved sense on winmo but I absolutely detest the android equivalent.
Touchwiz is just plain vile and as jcm mentioned the SGS2 is lacking that really stable aosp experience....
Luckily though if your unhappy with your phone and need to make changes then your in the right place
No I haven't missed the op's point about wanting more customisation out of the box but I just wanted to make the point that every single resource you need to achieve whatever you want to do with your phone (within reason) is right here under your nose.
I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
Sure I cheated and used a kitchen but hey, gotta start somewhere right.
Anyway I digress, my point is that we can all wish for HTC/samsung etc to start catering for our every need until we are blue in the face but they won't.
Sometimes you just have to roll up you're sleeves and do things for yourself.
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I now have a rom for my phone that is (nearly) exactly how I want it, no Touchwiz, less bloat, all the cool little tweaks that our talented devs have given us and all it took was one day of reading and a lot of trial and error...... it was fun too.
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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And are you planning on releasing this? You've had my dev work. It's only fair I have yours
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Actually I very nearly did but you know how many zip file heroes there are in that section. Do we really need another?
That and I'm too lazy to update it for each new firmware that trickles out.
I think I will release one though, probably with a very tongue in cheek OP....
And yes, I and a lot of others had many, many hours of enjoyment from your work so thanks for that
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[Q] ICS or GB?

So earlier this month I hard bricked my captivate playing with bootloaders going from Froyo to GingerBread. Yes...I'm a noob...
The phone got stuck at SBL.bin for over eight hours. Then I pulled the batt and the USB. Then it was game over.
I contacted MobileTechVideo, paid them my money and shipped it off to them.
It got there yesterday. They have had it for 24 hours now....I'm excited to possibly have it back before Xmas...
I paid extra for them to install a rom/upgrade for me.
I'm thinking of going to ICS, but I really use the phone as a Daily Driver and would like something stable.
I'm not asking what rom should I go with. I understand that those threads get locked quickly.
But should I go ICS yet or stay with GingerBread?
Remember, I won't be flashing the rom, MobileTechVideo will be so no worries about messing it up!
My fear is that if I don't get ICS professionally installed now, then I won't be comfortable about flashing it myself later. And I really don't want to miss out...
I'm torn about what todo....
I'm assuming you are getting unbrickable mod, which, what do you think you will screw up if you install a ROM? You are unbrickable.
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Maybe I missed the point, but as a daily driver, I would think you would want something that has a little more track time on a large install base..
I was faced with the same question, and chose to go with one of the leaked ROMs. As much fun as this can be, I need my phone to be working as well...
Good luck with your choice!
Well that's what I was confused about. ICS will act the same weather it's "professionally" installed or I install it. There is no Nexus S source so it's bound to be super buggy regardless.
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ConeyKiller said:
I'm assuming you are getting unbrickable mod, which, what do you think you will screw up if you install a ROM? You are unbrickable.
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Funny you ask....
I originally did ask for the unbrickable mod because 'doesn't that sound good? Who wouldn't want that?'
Then I spent a night reading about it....and changed my mind.
I may be wrong here, but from what I read it's great for a guy who is an expert, runs a linux box and spends his days flashing various rom combinations.
However for a noob, I didn't want to be bothered with holding down the power button for 5 seconds on every boot. And I sure as heck don't have a linux box to get into the unbrickable portion to actually unbrick the thing. It didn't seem to me like a nice easy, 'Here's how to get out of trouble by clicking your heels together three times' item that I need as a noob.
No, it sounds great on paper, but I think in reality if I brick it again for some reason, I'll just pay MTV to fix it. It's a tradeoff between giving MTV some of my money when I mess up and usability on a daily basis. I'll take usability thanks. I am gratefull that there are experts here who have the ability to repair the phone no matter what I do to it.
That doesn't mean that I will stop reading XDA and learn though...By the time my upgrade is due, I may have enough knowledge to use it on my next phone.
Davensocal said:
Maybe I missed the point, but as a daily driver, I would think you would want something that has a little more track time on a large install base..
I was faced with the same question, and chose to go with one of the leaked ROMs. As much fun as this can be, I need my phone to be working as well...
Good luck with your choice!
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Thanks!
That's what I was leaning towards too. I just wanted to be sure that I wasn't going to miss out on the new shiney stuff that the 'cool' kids are playing with....
2.3 is more stable
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self-proclaimed noob should not even be considering ICS (which is in alpha/beta at best)....
it shouldnt even be a thought in your head if you want stable and dont know anything

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