Just bought a 3500 mAh battery off of ebay. I was wondering do i need to condition this battery? If so what are the steps? I see conflicting info all over the place.
thanks!
Conditioning? Like calibrating?
Some batteries said to drain it completely first then charge for 8 full hours to condition it. That's why i was wondering if there was anything i needed to do to get the maximum amount of battery life out of it.
That's a great question. Usually I let it drain fully, then fully recharge. It's just an old habit of mine with new batteries.
usually when you get a new battery itll have some charge in it you need to power the device on let it drain completely till it wont turn on at all then let the battery charge 8-10hrs and you should be good.
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i need a review on this battery 1600mah does it overheat and able to charge on device itself without using cradle?
recently brough this 1350mah which overheat that makes me cant charge the battery on my device. just need a decent spare battery that able to charge on device itself.
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go look momax battery its only 11oo but last longer then original battery
hi!
guys, when should i charge the Galaxy S battery to maximize his life?
In my old phone, i only charge it when the phone shuts down himself. It can run for 7 days with no problems until i need to charge again.
Should i do the same thing with Galaxy S battery?
Well, when i need to connect the phone to the PC using USB cable, it will charge anyway. Is it bad? Should i do it only when i know the battery needs to be charged (when it has low battery)?
any time you want
it should always be topped up, there is no memory effect
Some people say that we should charge when the phone has 25% or 30% of the battery. And every month we should make a complete charge and discharge.
Is this a good method to keep the battery ok?
best way is to cycle through 2 or 3 batteries
charge them full
then use them down until you get the warning, and change to new battery pack, then take the used battery to the charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733705
Although I don't really have any definite sources to back this up, I've read several places that Li-Ion and Li-Polymer batteries can (and even should) be charged as often as possible. You should avoid letting them run flat, apparently.
What is certain though, is that they themselves have no memory effect like NiCd and NiMh batteries have.
our SGS will nag you to death as soon as it reaches 10%, and it will constantly annoys you to charge the battery at 5%
so, no worry about running flat
Technically to maximize the life (ie. capacity) of a Li-ion battery you should charge to full when it gets down to 40%.
The cooler the ambient temperature the better - A Li-ion battery operating at 25 degrees C will lose 20% of its capacity in one year. Higher temperatures drastically increase this degradation.
Given that most people will move to a newer phone after 2 years or so, and spare batteries are cheap as chips, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.
So, people say that we should charge the battery when it has 30-40% of the capacity.
But what is the thechnical explanation?
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that's exactly what i would like to know as well at 30%-40% will make the battery totally useless if that is true
might as well take the phone with a super long extension cold with you if that were true
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AllGamer said:
best way is to cycle through 2 or 3 batteries
charge them full
then use them down until you get the warning, and change to new battery pack, then take the used battery to the charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=733705
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I don't think that would be the best strategy, AFAIK (and read)
Li-ion packs prefer more frequent charges, even if after partial discharges, than full charge-discharge cycles.
Its also not good to store the pack fully charged. Best to store at 40% charge.
Following these 2 concepts, I imagine its better to charge the battery as often as possible, like every day, than to let it discharge until you get the warning.
Also, if you cycle through several packs, letting each one discharge almost completely, then charge it fully and move to a different pack like you suggested, that means you will be letting the battery unused at full charge for a longer period (the more packages you use, the longer the pack will stay stored at full charge).
Thats how I understand the behavior of those batteries. Just my 2 cents.
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I will say what the first reply said, charge as often as you feel you have time. Do not wait for any percentage of drain. There is no memory effect and yes about once a month do one full uninterrupted cycle. The point of which is to let the device's power management recalibrate where 0 (or thereabouts and 100% of the current fill are.
Cooler is better, this is also true.
All educated advice on Li-Ion batteries is that they remain healthier for longer the fuller they are, but the chemicals must be exercised occasionally, thus the full charge cycle in one go.
One charge cycle also actually counts over multiple charges, and not just uninterrupted ones. You can drain then charge 25% 4 times and that is counted as one cycle for these batteries.
I have always stuck to this advice since I learnt of it several years back and I find my batteries work better and longer than many people I know (who stick with drain, charge methods (lack of updated information).
i agree with nailerr
Simply charge it when you need to. It's better to have a fully charged battery when you need it, than run out of battery when an important call is coming through
So, the main reason to charge it with 30%-40% left is to avoid the battery heat too much?
I found this: h**p://batterycare.net/en/guide.html
It says more or less what you guys said here.
But you need to know that i always charge from 0% to 100% my old phone. It is 4 years old and it has no problems with the battery. It can run up to 7 days without any charge... Looks like charge it that way is not so bad anyway i guess...
so for the short little while, in the span of 5 minutes, i've been trying to gauge the Voltage capacity of the stock battery when at 100%
it has jumped from:
4.118 V
4.162 V
4.123 V
4.166 V
4.170 V
and then back down again...
4.170 V
Can some one confirm how much battery we get when the battery is fully charged at 100%?
i was trying to compare the stock vs the extended battery 4.173 V Li-Ion 1850 mAh
which sits very stable at 4.173 V
info from BatteryWatch App, also Battery Indicator Pro
Sorry, I don't have the link handy, but somebody else on the board posted a detailed explanation as to why that is. It has to do with the way Lithium Ion Polymer batteries work. If they're at 100%, the cathode (or anode, I forget which) corrodes and the battery goes bad much more quickly. So our phone is designed to charge up to 100%, then stop charging. It will let the battery get down to somewhere in the 90's, then start charging again. It lengthens the life of the battery.
If you desperately need the 100%, you can turn off the phone, un-plug and then re-plug the phone into power. Then it will charge back up to 100%.
What I do if I'm going to be away from power for awhile is bring along an external battery pack. I bought a decent one from Best Buy for $50, and it's done a good job. I just ordered an 11,000mAH external battery (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZBZ64Q/ref=oss_product) and a double-A charger (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003M9Z5F6/ref=oss_product). That should do me when I'll be away from a plug for awhile...
IDtheTarget said:
Sorry, I don't have the link handy, but somebody else on the board posted a detailed explanation as to why that is. It has to do with the way Lithium Ion Polymer batteries work. If they're at 100%, the cathode (or anode, I forget which) corrodes and the battery goes bad much more quickly. So our phone is designed to charge up to 100%, then stop charging. It will let the battery get down to somewhere in the 90's, then start charging again. It lengthens the life of the battery.
If you desperately need the 100%, you can turn off the phone, un-plug and then re-plug the phone into power. Then it will charge back up to 100%.
What I do if I'm going to be away from power for awhile is bring along an external battery pack. I bought a decent one from Best Buy for $50, and it's done a good job. I just ordered an 11,000mAH external battery (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003ZBZ64Q/ref=oss_product) and a double-A charger (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003M9Z5F6/ref=oss_product). That should do me when I'll be away from a plug for awhile...
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thanks for that... we don't have the 11000 mah in the UK. Ordered myself a 5000 though ... neat little thing
I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
I don't think bump charging is helping the longevity of your battery. Not saying it doesn't last longer on a charge, but that it isn't good for the battery's overall lifespan.
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3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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Draining all the way down and overcharging it are the biggest ways to kill it off. The Seideo and most other batteries I think have a fail-safe for draining it all the way down, cutting it off early before it actually does.
This article is pretty helpful about your battery, if you haven't had the chance to read it, it may benefit you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
Bump charging did it.....
Where's ma rosie at?
I have been using the 3500 for about the same length of time you have been. I haven't really noticed a drop off in performance. Maybe a very slight drop off.. not much though. Still could get 2-3 days use on one charge if I wanted to.
I have the same issue with my 3500. I will try to re-calibrate it.
4 months seems to be pretty quick for a decline in performance like that. I would press Seideo to replace it.
You can try resetting the cells to how they were when it was brand new. All you have to do is completely deplete the battery of all charge (so it wont even turn on) then short it out with 3x the voltage (a 9v battery should work, make sure to keep the polarity the same) and fully charge it again, then it will be like new!
My dad (who is an electrician) found a guide for this on ebay and bought it just for the hell of it to see if it worked. We tried it on a battery I had for an LG VX8300 I had at the time and it worked beautifully, I've been doing it ever since!
I have no idea how this works, all I know is that it just does.
cdf3 said:
1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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When ever you get a new battery you must condition it, exactly as sedio said full charge it, then drain fully 5 times. It makes the battery last much longer
Sources: I built one for my robotics team
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I got some 3,500mAh cheapies off ebay about 6 months ago and they are holding up just fine. I always run mine down to about 5% then fully charge. I bump charge them about once a month.
Well of course... After I'm pimping how great these batteries are, one quit working! My phone would just shut off with a light tap against something so I pulled the black sticker off of the battery, pulled it all apart, found the loose connection, bent the tab to make better contact, and put it all back together. All is good again.
I recently purchased this same battery read tons of good reviews not sure how i feel about the bump charging after reading the article that was within this thread but all in all it is a giant leap beyond the stock battery now if i could just find a case that would fit around it
To the OP. If youre running a kernel with SBC (Superior battery charging [trickle charging] w/e you wanna call it) they're known to reduce your battery life. also you may wanna charge the battery to 100% then wipe the battery stats on your phone.
I have the same battery and I've found that the phone has trouble reporting the percentage correctly. It tends to make jumps of about 5-10% instead of a steady decline. I switched to the original battery and it did not have this problem. I've also noticed that clearing battery stats several times helps (most of the time). As far as bump charging goes, it's perfectly fine to bump charge these batteries. The worst thing you can do to them is discharge them all the way.
Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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I second this. I have the same battery and its been off a few times. Battery stats get weird sometimes. It's certainly a better battery than the cheap Chinese batteries HTC uses.
Is it a myth or truth, that it will help my battery life if I completely drain my battery down and fully charge it up? I've yet to do this in the 2 weeks I've had this phone. I know it was the case many years ago and not sure with todays batteries. Something about building up the battery memory. I'm down to 23% as I type this.
google is your friend sir. that is only for the old NiCad batteries. from what ive read you actually dont really want to completely drain any battery because it becomes unstable at that point. the main tips are to keep it cool. top it off when you can, most say to plug it up around 50 %, dont leave it on charge forever. and dont extra load the battery. ( some people take it out at 100% and plug it back in to get the most juice out of it)
Some recommend it once a month, and some do it every other months. One time doesn't hurt
I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Haha Anyone that tells you that it is good or makes a difference to totally discharge a battery and then charge it to fill will help the battery doesn't know what they are talking about. Only the old Ni-Cad (Nickel Cadium) batteries developed memory and needed full cycle discharges. The new batteries that are in phones Li-Ion (Lithium-Ion) do not develop a memory. In fact these batteries have a number of cycles before they go bad. Batteryuniversity.com explains that routinely charging a battery when it's under 25% will yield roughly 300 or so cycles (charging to full). At 50% remaining Battery you will get 1000-1200 charge cycles and charging the battery when 75% remaining you can get as many as 2000 charge cycles.
So the point is never let it drain all the way, and charge frequently. My Note 4 gets about 8-10 hours of screen on time and my average days I have about 2-3 hours of sot and charge my phone 70-80% battery left. My note 3 was the same and had it for a year and when I sold it a month ago. I was still getting the same battery life. Maybe 3-5% more drain from when I got it.
BACARDILIMON said:
I for the last 5 years or so have never done any of that and can tell you I never have had issues with my battery
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Yup. Same here. I charge the battery whenever I want... And let die if it has to. Plus, it's the enclosed battery users that should worry about that.