I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I purchased the 3500 extended battery about 4 months ago. It was a great battery. It lasted me all day & then some off a single charge. Now it's not lasting as long as it used to. I'm having to charge in the middle of the day now. I put my original OEM battery in, & I'm getting better performance from it than with the 3500 battery now.
Anyone else experiencing less than stellar performance from the 3500 battery after having it for 4 months or longer?
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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I have the 2150 OEM, I can only suspect some reasons why
1) Cheap battery that does not hold charges well
2) You are draining the battery down to 0% a lot, killing the ability for it to keep a charge
3) Your phone is not calibrated properly so it shows it is charged to 100% but in fact it may have only charged it much lower
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
I don't think bump charging is helping the longevity of your battery. Not saying it doesn't last longer on a charge, but that it isn't good for the battery's overall lifespan.
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3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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Draining all the way down and overcharging it are the biggest ways to kill it off. The Seideo and most other batteries I think have a fail-safe for draining it all the way down, cutting it off early before it actually does.
This article is pretty helpful about your battery, if you haven't had the chance to read it, it may benefit you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
Bump charging did it.....
Where's ma rosie at?
I have been using the 3500 for about the same length of time you have been. I haven't really noticed a drop off in performance. Maybe a very slight drop off.. not much though. Still could get 2-3 days use on one charge if I wanted to.
I have the same issue with my 3500. I will try to re-calibrate it.
4 months seems to be pretty quick for a decline in performance like that. I would press Seideo to replace it.
You can try resetting the cells to how they were when it was brand new. All you have to do is completely deplete the battery of all charge (so it wont even turn on) then short it out with 3x the voltage (a 9v battery should work, make sure to keep the polarity the same) and fully charge it again, then it will be like new!
My dad (who is an electrician) found a guide for this on ebay and bought it just for the hell of it to see if it worked. We tried it on a battery I had for an LG VX8300 I had at the time and it worked beautifully, I've been doing it ever since!
I have no idea how this works, all I know is that it just does.
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1) It's a Seidio brand, not some knock off, so it should be of good quality. It's been working fine up until the past month or so. I've had it for over 4 months now.
2) I've never drained the battery down to 0%. Contacted Seidio and they suggested that I let it drain to 0% for the next 4 to 5 charges, along with charging it an additional 2-3 hours after a complete charge. I'll see if that helps.
3) I've always had to bump charge it. It helps in making it last longer.
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When ever you get a new battery you must condition it, exactly as sedio said full charge it, then drain fully 5 times. It makes the battery last much longer
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I got some 3,500mAh cheapies off ebay about 6 months ago and they are holding up just fine. I always run mine down to about 5% then fully charge. I bump charge them about once a month.
Well of course... After I'm pimping how great these batteries are, one quit working! My phone would just shut off with a light tap against something so I pulled the black sticker off of the battery, pulled it all apart, found the loose connection, bent the tab to make better contact, and put it all back together. All is good again.
I recently purchased this same battery read tons of good reviews not sure how i feel about the bump charging after reading the article that was within this thread but all in all it is a giant leap beyond the stock battery now if i could just find a case that would fit around it
To the OP. If youre running a kernel with SBC (Superior battery charging [trickle charging] w/e you wanna call it) they're known to reduce your battery life. also you may wanna charge the battery to 100% then wipe the battery stats on your phone.
I have the same battery and I've found that the phone has trouble reporting the percentage correctly. It tends to make jumps of about 5-10% instead of a steady decline. I switched to the original battery and it did not have this problem. I've also noticed that clearing battery stats several times helps (most of the time). As far as bump charging goes, it's perfectly fine to bump charge these batteries. The worst thing you can do to them is discharge them all the way.
Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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Clearing the stats and cycling the battery through the phone a few times should fix that. It does that (big percentage jumps) when it's poorly calibrated.
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I second this. I have the same battery and its been off a few times. Battery stats get weird sometimes. It's certainly a better battery than the cheap Chinese batteries HTC uses.
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My phone dies so quickly it's not even funny. ~20% in 1 hr even after just barely using it.
- Using Android (CoreDroid Nand)
- Bought it second hand, but I've had it for about 4 months.
Should I get a new OEM battery? or is this just normal?
Moon2 said:
My phone dies so quickly it's not even funny. ~20% in 1 hr even after just barely using it.
- Using Android (CoreDroid Nand)
- Bought it second hand, but I've had it for about 4 months.
Should I get a new OEM battery? or is this just normal?
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That's not normal amigo.
Get CurrentWidget from the market and see how man mAh it's using, even when the screen's off. Can help diagnose the issue more clearly then.
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That's not normal amigo.
Get CurrentWidget from the market and see how man mAh it's using, even when the screen's off. Can help diagnose the issue more clearly then.
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Have done, and it's often hovering between 4-6 ma during screen off, otherwise, when just playing with animations, it stays below 300-350 ma.
yes you need a new battery. on android my battery lasts from 24-36 hours depending on how much I use the phone.
wrap it up so no moisture can get in then put it in deep freeze over night or 24h, take it out and then let it thaw at room temp and then charge to full.
In some cases this will work and has worked for me on a laptop battery and a phone I had a few years back. They used to die after a hour or so and then after freezing they was back to normal for a good while.
If it works or you get a new battery always make sure never to put it on charge unless its nearly dead, ie 1-5% or max of 10%. If you keep on putting batteries on charge when they are not dead this f*cks them up as some battery types have a sort of memory.
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wrap it up so no moisture can get in then put it in deep freeze over night or 24h, take it out and then let it thaw at room temp and then charge to full.
In some cases this will work and has worked for me on a laptop battery and a phone I had a few years back. They used to die after a hour or so and then after freezing they was back to normal for a good while.
If it works or you get a new battery always make sure never to put it on charge unless its nearly dead, ie 1-5% or max of 10%. If you keep on putting batteries on charge when they are not dead this f*cks them up as some battery types have a sort of memory.
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Yeh , i learnt that in my physics class too Make sure that there is no condensation when you put the battery back in the phone.. it could spoil the internals!
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Have done, and it's often hovering between 4-6 ma during screen off, otherwise, when just playing with animations, it stays below 300-350 ma.
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Those actually sound normal. What you should do is check how much juice the battery is retaining. Let it charge fully - charge until current widget is reporting single digit charge. Use spare parts to check the battery information. If it's significantly less than 4200mv at full charge then try to wipe the batterystats.bin from /data/system, reboot and charge again. If it's still very low voltage then you need a new battery.
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yes you need a new battery. on android my battery lasts from 24-36 hours depending on how much I use the phone.
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sorry but what battery are you using ive not long had a Andida 1600mah my phone last for 24 hours max on winmo but when i have android running it last for about 5/6 hours straight with berely touching my phone.
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wrap it up so no moisture can get in then put it in deep freeze over night or 24h, take it out and then let it thaw at room temp and then charge to full.
In some cases this will work and has worked for me on a laptop battery and a phone I had a few years back. They used to die after a hour or so and then after freezing they was back to normal for a good while.
If it works or you get a new battery always make sure never to put it on charge unless its nearly dead, ie 1-5% or max of 10%. If you keep on putting batteries on charge when they are not dead this f*cks them up as some battery types have a sort of memory.
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NiCad had memory problems like this, but NiMh and LiIon are not supposed to have this issue.
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yes you need a new battery. on android my battery lasts from 24-36 hours depending on how much I use the phone.
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TY, am surprised at that usage time cos since I've got it, it's never lasted more than half a day.
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wrap it up so no moisture can get in then put it in deep freeze over night or 24h, take it out and then let it thaw at room temp and then charge to full.
In some cases this will work and has worked for me on a laptop battery and a phone I had a few years back. They used to die after a hour or so and then after freezing they was back to normal for a good while.
If it works or you get a new battery always make sure never to put it on charge unless its nearly dead, ie 1-5% or max of 10%. If you keep on putting batteries on charge when they are not dead this f*cks them up as some battery types have a sort of memory.
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Ty, will try this
buzz killington said:
Those actually sound normal. What you should do is check how much juice the battery is retaining. Let it charge fully - charge until current widget is reporting single digit charge. Use spare parts to check the battery information. If it's significantly less than 4200mv at full charge then try to wipe the batterystats.bin from /data/system, reboot and charge again. If it's still very low voltage then you need a new battery.
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I always wipe batterystats when flashing a new rom, and it's pretty much at 4.2 - 4.22 at full charge
My sd android builds will last 24-36 hours if I don't hardly use it and keep it on standby... that's with getting 4-6ma drain. If I use it, though, it will only last 4-6 hour of straight use, depending on what you're doing. That's with 150-350ma drain during use. So with normal use I can usually make it through a 12-18hr day before charging. I usually carry a spare battery with me just in case though.
Normally, Li-ion batteries life-span is around 300 charges before they start degrading and not holding a charge as well... so if the battery has been used a year, it's probably time for a new battery.
I think this is a great topic. My battery uses about ~350 mA on just browsing internet, and dies within several hours (about 3). At 100% charge it says 4202 mV in spare parts, but dropped to 99% and 4138 mV within next minute. In another nibute it dropped to 98% and 4108 mV. It means battery not holding charge well? Stats were wiped before flashing
AntonJart said:
I think this is a great topic. My battery uses about ~350 mA on just browsing internet, and dies within several hours (about 3). At 100% charge it says 4202 mV in spare parts, but dropped to 99% and 4138 mV within next minute. In another nibute it dropped to 98% and 4108 mV. It means battery not holding charge well? Stats were wiped before flashing
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Three hours of browsing is not bad - but three hours of continuous screen turned on is a sure battery killer. Have you set your screen to a dim setting, or is it bright?
My battery dies very quickly too, about 4 hours on Android, with heavy usage, and about 2 hours on WP7
I have the official extended battery, though, and also the Cheap Chinese one, so i have backup
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Three hours of browsing is not bad - but three hours of continuous screen turned on a sure battery killer. Have you set your screen to a dim setting, or is it bright?
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Depends. I often keep it on auto. The place I work has very bright lights. I read a lot about HD2 Before I got it. Powerful phone with a tiny battery. On the stand by it actually isnt bad. Eats about less than 1% per hour. With little use, texts and calls, it can last quite a long time. I asume my battery is fine.
What is your mV reading at 100% and less than that?
AntonJart said:
Depends. I often keep it on auto. The place I work has very bright lights. I read a lot about HD2 Before I got it. Powerful phone with a tiny battery. On the stand by it actually isnt bad. Eats about less than 1% per hour. With little use, texts and calls, it can last quite a long time. I asume my battery is fine.
What is your mV reading at 100% and less than that?
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Dunno. I don't generally check that kind of data. My phone is at 69% right now, mAh is 8694.
NRG ROM includes tBattery. This particular battery showed 12296 MaH at full power, but this is only the first discharge cycle for the battery.
TheATHEiST said:
If it works or you get a new battery always make sure never to put it on charge unless its nearly dead, ie 1-5% or max of 10%. If you keep on putting batteries on charge when they are not dead this f*cks them up as some battery types have a sort of memory.
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Not true man. On NiMH rechargable batteries (those are really old - I've never actually seen them in phones although I'm sure they were used sometimes... I still see some AA batteries of that kind laying around though) have a memory effect and get screwed if you charge them without depleting the battery life first.
However, we have Li-Io batteries - which, although there's been a lot of controversy, it is basically agreed upon that either it doesn't matter when it's charged or it is actually better NOT to fully discharge (except for around once a month in order to calibrate the battery).
But the freezing the battery thing is pretty cool! I have to try that on a friend's laptop battery that got screwed up!
that is way beyond normal. change your build.
Curious! said:
that is way beyond normal. change your build.
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Have done (flash one every couple of days), and still the same problem, also tried what TheAthiest said, but didn't make a dent.
Would Task29 make a difference for this person? Just throwing that out there
First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
This has been posted MANY MANY times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=882679
No trickle charge is applied because lithium-ion is unable to absorb overcharge. A continuous trickle charge above 4.05V/cell would causes plating of metallic lithium that could lead to instabilities and compromise safety. Instead, a brief topping charge is provided to compensate for the small self-discharge the battery and its protective circuit consume. … Typically, the charge kicks in when the open terminal voltage drops to 4.05V/cell and turns off at a high 4.20V/cell.
There is a whole lot more info on that site, but I’ll sum up the excerpt, if you continually charge a Lithium Ion battery, it will degrade, and worst case explode, but hey, at least it looks cool when it does.
Just don’t end up like others have, for example, a Chinese man who took his phone off the charger, put it in his pocket, and then it exploded. To read a little more about that, check out EnGadget, if you want to see the phone, Tech-Ex. Here’s another one, no one was killed, but it burst into flames, over on PCWorld.
http://www.ziggy471.com/2011/01/02/overcharging-batteries/
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IMO. I rather have it sit at 95% than to have my phone catch on fire. Better safe than sorry.
I've been charging my mobile devices to 100% for years with no issues. I'm not too worried about it since I don't mod my phone. All I wanted to do was have a battery that lasts and I now have that. Thank you.
turbodroid said:
First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life.
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
Now I don't have to sit and worry about ...
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There's an app medication for that ...
in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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Have you actually measured this, or is it just a "gut feeling"?
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The battery level reads a full 100% when I plug the fully charged battery in. I just changed battery again this morning.
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in the end charging via USB/PC gets a fuller charge because its more of a trickle, though it can be dangerous
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From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
turbodroid said:
First post here, be easy on me. I love this Nexus S, my first android phone, but man this battery issue has really bothered me. I would wake up in the morning, take my phone off the charger and immediately be at 96%. After 15 minutes of checking emails and surfing, I would be below 90% by the time I got to work an hour later. I was spending half the day charging my battery, so I decided to order 2 OEM batteries and a wall charger off Ebay.
Well little I did I know that this would solve two problems. First, the wall charger charges the batteries to 100% and provides significantly more life. For some reason the phone does not let the battery truly get to 100%. Second, when I get home from work or wherever, I can just pop in another battery and be fully charged again. Now I don't have to sit and worry about charging my battery all the dang time, and my batteries are lasting much longer to boot using the wall charger. I am not sure I can post links yet, so what I ordered was an M9P wall charger for like $10 and a couple extra OEM batteries for $10/per on Ebay. I ordered from US sellers so I didnt have to wait weeks also. You might be able to find cheaper if you order from a hong kong seller. Anyway, I hope this helps someone as frustrated as me.
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Battery life is actually pretty good on this phone. Try owning the evo. I never seen a phone with worst battery life.
turbodroid said:
From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger. I had the same issue as many others with this phone. The battery wouldn't charge to 100% and general battery life is pretty poor. I thought my phone was bad so I exchanged it and the battery life was identical.
I recommend everyone who questions my results, if you have a spare $20 and are sick of the poor battery performance of this phone to get a wall charger and spare OEM battery off Ebay or wherever. Theories are nice and everyone has one but I'll take real world results over theories any day.
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Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
ClrDaLane said:
Hey Turbodroid,
Can't find this wall charger of which you speak. If you can't post a link, please give more info on it so I can search for it. That and the batteries as well.
Thanks
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I can't post links yet, but I sent you a PM. On Ebay, search for M9P Charger and the only result that comes up is the one you want. Then search for OEM Battery Nexus S and pick whatever one you want.
EDIT - Here are the links I used
Charger - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
OEM Battery - http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-OEM-GENUINE...199674?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item20b6d2767a
turbodroid said:
From what I am seeing and how much longer my battery is lasting, I am getting a fuller charge and WAY longer battery life charging batteries in the wall charger.
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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"WAY longer battery life"? Really really? I'm having some trouble believing this. The standard battery is 1500mAh. Are the extra batteries the same capacity? Because we are talking about something around 4-6% more power here.
This is either confirmation bias or blatant advertising.
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Fun fact: These two listings are from different sellers, but both write "Samusng" instead of "Samsung".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150546613705&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M9P-Battery-Charger-Samusng-Google-Nexus-S-/180611094933
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Obviously i'm not advertising, I am just posting my observations. My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use. Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500. I'm not observing any difference in how long they last compared to the original battery as today I am on the 1440 one.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years. I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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My battery is lasting several hours longer than it did before under similar use.
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I don't believe that unless your wonder-charger is literally cooking the batteries to death by some serious over-charging.
Right now I'm going on 6.5hrs of light use and I'm still at 81%. The OEM batteries I bought show the exact same part # as the one that came in the phone, but say 1440mah instead of 1500.
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So, the original battery to 1500mAh, charged to 96% in the phone would give ... 1440mAh. And range anxiety.
But the extra batteries, charged to 100% in the wonder-charger would give ... 1440mAh. And a peaceful feeling.
Yeah, I don't really see the "WAY longer battery life" here. If those 4-6% extra charge gives "several hours longer" then a full charge would be good for a couple of days of use anyway. And yet you were "spending half the day charging your battery". There's something odd about your story. The numbers don't really add up.
I've been in the IT field for 18+ years.
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I don't care if you're Isaac Newton. If you're starting to wave credentials and diplomas around, then this will be nothing more than a pissing contest. If that is what you want, then you win. Here, have an internet.
I know the difference between real results and 'confirmation bias'. These are real results I have experienced. You are more than welcome to share yours if you choose to spend $20 and duplicate what I did.
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No thanks. I have that exact same charger, and an extra original battery. If that charger actually makes that much of a difference, I don't want to cook my spare battery to death with it.
But feel free to back your claims by some real numbers taken from, you know, objective tests. One battery charged in the phone, the other in the wonder-charger. Then do the exact same thing (play music or whatever) until the batteries hit 15% remaining. Then post the elapsed times here.
Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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Your condescending tone isn't worth my breath. My results are my results and I wished to share them with other people having battery issues and what I did to resolve them. I will continue 'cooking' my $10 batteries to a full charge and having a phone last several hours longer than it did before I started 'cooking'. You can do whatever with yours. Good luck to ya buddy.
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You know this isn't your blog or twitter feed to promote what you're doing.
Just like what you said, you're new to XDA so I wouldn't be too fond on trusting you either because you haven't been around too long.
I'll continue to stick to my battery. Grats on your long battery.
I go a full day with heavy use on my stock battery. Not sure what your problem is. Unless you can put up some real numbers though, this thread is not worth anyone's time.
After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
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After ordering both an OEM battery and the M9P charger I can confirm this.
I don't have screenshots yet, but The stock battery and the replacement OEM batteries I ordered. Function at around 4-6 hours more on the wall charger. With the stock charger charging my stock battery, I was seeing around 16-19hours with heavy use(phone and phone+bluetooth/text/web/youtube) with the M9P charger charging the battery, I have seen roughly a 4-6 hour improvement in battery life depending upon the usage change(i.e if i'm playing angry bird or NFS Shift along with other normal stuff)
I am, however, convinced the pulse charging vs. trickle charging done by the stock charger won't shorten the battery life. Plating will be come a real problem later on down the line, but with any smartphone, I don't expect to keep a battery longer than a year with my use before i either replace the phone or the battery.
If you guys want battery history shots, or whatever you might need to to help you get a better picture of what's going on, please let me know. I'd be happy to provide them.
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Thanks for confirming my results. I was very displeased with the battery life of this phone, but since I went to the wall charger and just swapping batteries, I am getting a full 24hrs use and still have 10-20% left when I swap before work every morning. All in all a pretty cheap investment for the gains.
I am not seeing any noticeable difference between the 1440mah and 1500mah batteries either.
Just wanted to post my experience about battery life. It lasts almost two days (I switch off my phone for six hours every night). It wouldn't charge more than 95-96% every time. And it took really long time to charge too, with the oem charger. And then I tried my wife's Nokia charger, which is also 5V output but 1200mA instead of 700mA the oem is. And charged it turned on. And there it was! A bit less charging time, and for the first time it said 100% charged. That happened the last 6 charges with the Nokia charger. I hope I am not damaging the battery with what I'm doing. I can't say it lasts more than before. Nothing noticable. But at least it's fully charged and it doesn't take all day to charge.
i get 100% everytime when i unplug it will either drop to 97% or to 96% but will still last a whole day of use. i dont charge my battery unless it turns red with the X or till it shuts itself off.
I ordered this Acesoft 3960 mah battery from here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390499613512&ssPageName=ADME:L:eek:U:US:3160
It may only be 3100 mah (or less) but I thought I would give it a try just in case I could gain some mah's and not change my case. I'm skeptical like most of us tend to be about battery claims.
The charger is cheap, states 800mah. I'm not convinced it's putting that much out. The little plastic parts broke off that hold the battery in place. The battery itself had two small dents. We are not off to a great start.
I charged it up last night on AC and in the phone, and with the phone off, and have it running today.
I'll post some more stats later today and you guys can comment if it looks like 3960mah to you, or just another exaggerated claim.
Here's what it's showing at 4 hours.
Looks pretty decent. Please keep us updated. Especially after a several charge cycles, to let the battery break in.
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Been streaming for 8 hours now.
Can you keep updating this for the next couple days? and does this batt charge completely while in the phone? and does it fit with the oem back door? Thanks.
So far this looks promising.
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Can you keep updating this for the next couple days? and does this batt charge completely while in the phone? and does it fit with the oem back door? Thanks.
So far this looks promising.
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Yes, fits OEM stock battery cover. That's why I was interested in the first place.
It charges fine on AC using the Samsung charger. USB? I don't know, might take a long time.
It ran for 1.5 hours and was still at 90% at 3.5 hours it was at 85%.
looks interesting. thanks for keeping us posted.
Do you find this battery better than the stock battery?
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At 12 hours it's done. It's on the charger now and will charge it up and drain it down again tomorrow.
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Do you find this battery better than the stock battery?
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I don't know yet. That's what these tests will hopefully show and yes or no.
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I ordered this Acesoft 3960 mah battery from here. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390499613512&ssPageName=ADME:L:eek:U:US:3160
It may only be 3100 mah (or less) but I thought I would give it a try just in case I could gain some mah's and not change my case. I'm skeptical like most of us tend to be about battery claims.
The charger is cheap, states 800mah. I'm not convinced it's putting that much out. The little plastic parts broke off that hold the battery in place. The battery itself had two small dents. We are not off to a great start.
I charged it up last night on AC and in the phone, and with the phone off, and have it running today.
I'll post some more stats later today and you guys can comment if it looks like 3960mah to you, or just another exaggerated claim.
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So i'm not sure what to think of your battery life. I have 78% left with 7.5 hours on and 1.75 hours on screen. My screen usage is only 33% of 22% which means roughly 7% total of my battery used there was consumed by my screen. Notice that the main program using the battery was Verbs, not sure why it's called that but it's ePSXe (PSX emulator). Your battery on the other hand was on for 4 hours and used 18% battery with your main usage being your screen at 48% running only for 56 minutes. About 9% of your total battery was consumed by your screen within 56 minutes as your screen was the primary source of draining power. My phone with the Onite battery (stock door) lasted 1 hour and 48 minutes only consuming 7% of the total battery usage.
Hopefully your battery improves with a few more charges.
Please keep us updated sounds very interesting.
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John
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I'm not sure what to make of it either other than to say 12 hours of streaming music on a single charge sounds good to me. ( pardon the pun) My S2 wasn't even good for 4 hours doing the exact same thing and that much I am sure about.
If nothing else, I figure I have a spare 3100, maybe more.
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I'm not sure what to make of it either other than to say 12 hours of streaming music on a single charge sounds good to me. ( pardon the pun) My S2 wasn't even good for 4 hours doing the exact same thing and that much I am sure about.
If nothing else, I figure I have a spare 3100, maybe more.
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Yeah no question that the battery is legit, just a matter of capacity. Download Battery stats and let that crunch some battery stats for you.
Duplicate post.
Doesn't look like I gained anything over yesterday. Doing about the same thing this morning as yesterday and my percent of use is about the same at the same time period. At 4 hours, it's down to 80% both days.
Here is battery Stats plus at 4 hours.
Nothing was gained yesterday at all. 12 hours almost to the minute both days so apparently cycling had no effect.
I can wrap this up now after testing stock against this battery.
It's no better than stock but no worse than stock either.
For the extra price you don't gain anything at all and cycling didn't change anything either. The wall charger is cheap and is not a full 2amp.
Now we know.
I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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I've been using both the incipio offgrid, and tumi powerpack battery mods (both are wireless charging variants) and have noticed just awful battery life. from 100% it charges my phone up maybe 15-20 percent, and thats with the screen off, just streaming music. If I'm using the phone (just surfing the web or instagram) the battery dies in around 30-45 minutes, is this normal? I expected alot more out of these. I can just stare at the notification bar and watch as the battery drops, my software is up to date, and I was just wondering if this is normal? Is everyone else getting this awful performance? I expected way more for like 70-80 bucks each...
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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This is not normal. While I don't have either of these, based on the reading I've done and reports I've seen from people who do, the Incipio off grid should be able to charge your phone up 50-75% when attached. Not sure if you have some crazy wakelock that's keeping your CPU maxed out all the time or what, but dying in 30-40 minutes makes no sense.
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When I got it to die In 30-40 min I was on a phone call and surfing instagram. Took the tumi out yesterday with 80% battery in it and had my phones screen off streaming music over Bluetooth. The phone charged up about 25% before the battery pack died. Any ideas on how I could improve the battery life? My moto mods manager is up to date and I don't get any prompts to update anything whenever I snap on the mods
I was surprised when I found this post, so I checked how many percent of battery do I get with a my incipio battery mod. I plugged the mod, my phone's battery was at 15% and the battery mod was at 100%.
Now the Incipio battery mod is empty and my phone's battery is at 50%. So it charged my phone by 35%.
Pretty disappointing for a 2220 mAh battery that costs almost 100€ ...
To me the best use of the mod is to snap it on when the Moto Z Play is fully charged and to chose the option to keep the phone battery at 80%. With normal use, i've seen the mod keep the phone at 80% for up to a day. To me the mod is not meant to charge the phone but more to keep it from discharging.
To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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To me the idea of the battery mod makes no sense.
There is an Aukey 16000 mAh power pack with QuickCharge 3.0 available which boosts the battery in nearly no time. I paid less than 20 Euro.
Who needs such a battery mod with a Moto Z Play which lasts all day under heavy usage?
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time? I needed that power pack when the previous phone (Moto X Play) had some hardware defect making it lose power.
Edit: These questions are meant honestly. Are you living in the desert for several days and can't afford to carry a bag?
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The battery mods are not particularly useful for the Z Play because if you charge every night, you have basically unlimited battery life. Battery packs are extremely useful for the regular Z, though, which has extremely poor battery life on its own. They're basically mandatory for the Z.
I'm shocked that battery mods can only charge your internal battery and can't be used directly (discharging the mod battery instead of the internal battery), the same way Thinkpads that have more than one battery can do. That makes the $80 (vs maybe $10 for a 2000 mah ravpower) cost all the more eyebrow-raising.
I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity, making the internal battery the backup battery and wearing out the easily replaceable, easily swappable mods instead.
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I'd love to use them as a way of preserving the sealed in internal battery's longevity,
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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What do you think how a battery should be treated to prolong its lifetime?
This is a serious question. I'm not sure if charging cycles do matter these days. The point which makes batteries getting weak is the age. An additional battery will not help reduce the age.
Of course you should be careful not to be in extreme cold or heat. If the battery is below 30 percent, you should consider to charge it. You should not charge it again if it's over 80 percent. But trying not to use it seems not to really be helpful for the battery to have a longer life, although battery lifetime usually is given in battery cycles. At least this is my experience. If it does not get hot when used or charged, all batteries nowadays start getting weaker a bit after about 2 years, it gets really recognizable after 4 years, and when they are 6-8 years old, they get so low that they may not fulfill there purpose anymore. Cycles? Never recognized any influence for the lifetime. But one hot day with a usage above average where the battery gets hot may really cause a recognizable decrease in capacity.
If you have some source comparing battery lifetime for different use cases (storage, low usage, middle usage, frequent usage, under different conditions of temperature, fast charge and slow charge) I'd be really interested.
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Same sources as you, personal experience and basic knowledge (battery life being measured in cycles). I'm not even completely worried about average aging, but out of a batch of millions of batteries, plenty will start to experience rapid discharge early, even without abnormal heat, not to the point of being completely dead, but certainly no longer tolerable. Today's phone batteries might actually tolerate heat better than in the past, having been built for quick charging, which is the hottest a sd625 seems to get.
I've read manuals and battery university and a few tech blog articles all of which have differing advice, just like you and me, but I have yet to find a source I find credible (based on diverse large scale testing not limited anecdotal evidence or in the case of manuals, insanely outdated nicad-era stuff). And, sincerely no offense intended, I'm unlikely to decide cycles don't matter and weight your anecdotal evidence over mine anymore than you'd weight mine over yours. But if you ever find a good source with those comparisons, I'd be pleased to check it out too.
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Because I'm a very heavy user of my phone and don't want to worry about power even if I can't get to a outlet during the day.
Who needs such a battery mod when power packs are big, cheap and fast?
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Because the bat mod is easy to slap on and keep on all the time (when I'm not using a different mod). Then I never have to worry about taking the pack with me or not or carrying the extra cable with me or not.
Who even needs the power pack if you have a wall outlet with a QuickCharge 3.0 charger boosting the battery percentage in no time?
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Because I don't want to have to worry about having the charger with me or finding a spot to charge.
I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I fully admit that I tend to be more paranoid about running out of power than I need to be, but I like to be secure knowing that I should have more than enough battery life, even if I can't charge overnight. I like to know that I can grab my phone at any point of the day and walk out the door with it without having to worry about taking a charger with me.
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I quite like just not having to charge for three days. I have the battery mod which I use on the efficiency mode, and I got over a full day out of it. At the end of day three I had nearly 30% battery left. Probably enough for most of one more day.
The other thing for me is using wireless charging. I like just slapping my phone on a stand overnight when I do charge it. It charges slowly, yes, but it doesn't matter if I am charging overnight. I still have access to the quick charger if I need to get a full battery quick!
I use mine on my motorcycle where I'm riding for 10 hours a day. I'm at about 50% in 4 hours and dead by 7 or 8, so I'm hoping with the additional battery MOD that I can get at least 12 hours charge. I'm really bad about remembering to plug my phone in when I stop for a break!
@tag68 : dude I think you totally missed to read what @fortunz was saying, he was only pointing that he would like the Mods to be used as a primary source battery instead of being a "ultra-portable power bank".
Given that there is also a fraction of the power being lost in the form of heat, during charge/transfer, it is even more silly from Motorola not to have the battery used directly. I can say by the 25-35% charge from the Mods estimated from other users, that the efficiency is somewhere around 50%, HORRIBLE to say the least.
And yeah I was reading through both of your posts and good information was provided, although unnecessary friction used (not naming anyone).
I actually have kind of the same idea from @fortunz to prolong the battery life of my Z-play even with the mod just being a power bank.
Saying that the mods (~2220mah) charge your phone anywhere between 25-35%, I can actually take the top 25-35% out of my internal battery use and move it to the Mod.
So I can charge my phone up to 70% before going to bed, and then when my phone reaches 30% during the use next day, I'll just slap the mod.
I can allow myself a lot of variation to this, I will not be religious about it, the topic is to avoid hitting 100% charge, and instead, moving the wear of that 30% usage to the Mod.
According, to many articles, citing just one below, considering the depth of discharges and voltage levels, you guys might do the equation if you like, but according to the charts and theory:
charging my phone twice a day trying not to exceed 70%, will give me WAY more longevity run than charging up to 100% every day.
First charge will be from around 15% which is my normal deadline to around 70% with a wall charger, before going to bed.
Second charge will be from the mod from around 30% to around 60% (hopefully), which will give me portability while charging.
Total screen on time during the day, should be around 10% less, but well worth and I can definitely take the hit if getting more battery longevity as a trade.
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http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Huh, it even makes sense when explaining to other people...
In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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In re: friction, I took no offense from the exchange. Hopefully I didn't cause any either.
Good luck with your efforts. I have considered using this app to to stop charging early: https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/root-battery-charge-limit-t3557002 Haven't started using it yet.
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Sadly that application requires root... and I don't want to unlock the bootloader and then having to worry about SafetyNet...
For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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For me SafetyNet is green using Magisk 12.0 as root solution, but that may change of course. But it would help for the battery.
Short rant about this topic: It is strange that the owner of a device can be forbidden to restrict the charging. You bought it, you should be able to do these things with it. Introducing SafetyNet is a bad idea by Google. Security should be made by algorithms, not by hardware. Using public key anyone may modify anything, and you can still assure the content to be trustworthy. There no need to prove the Android not to be modified, it is just a bad idea, unnecessary restricting the user. Owner.
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Well said
Thanks for the tip! I'll have it mind!
At the moment I don't feel like unlocking the bootloader because I'm planning to use the moto Mods and these can't be used with custom ROMs yet, and I have no use for root other than changing the work mode on Greenify but it already works well enough in No-Root mode, so for me there is no true benefit.
A good resource for lithium batteries are rc helicopter forums. Helis use speed controllers of many tens of amps, drain the batteries in minutes versus days to low levels and charge them at high speed. What reduces their life is heat, overcharging the voltage or over discharging the voltage. They do not age if left in a partial charge. You can let them sit for years unused and they will lose very little capacity. If you only run them at 70%cycle, they last about 3000 cycles.
Well, that was weird.
Phone at 9%, mophie mod at 100%. Put it on, barely used the phone (even took a nap). About an hour later, the mophie mod is at 50%, but the phone actually went down to 8%. Took off the mod and the phone went immediately to 4%. Ouch.
Mod normally works fine. It'll keep the phone at 80% for most of the day just fine. Not sure what was going on.
Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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I can't say that quick charge is harmful however what is usually not a great thing to do is to stick the phone on the charger all the time when there's plenty of power left. Like charging it from 80% to 100% is just wearing on the battery life faster and causing it to use an extra cycle.. Think of it like this say the phones battery can ONLY be charged a total of 100 times and that's IT no more it's dead after the 100 charge.. if you stick it on the charger at 95% and charge to 100% well now you just lost a cycle and you only have 99 charges left.. Wouldn't it have been better to use the entire battery power until it shuts off and then charge it?! Doing it this way actually extends the batteries life and keeps it working a lot better than constantly doing small charges.
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Hi, I'm using my samsung phone with quick charger, however, I saw some people discuss that quick charge is harmful to the phone, is that true? anyone can confirm about this?
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Ive always been taught that the faster u charge a battery the less charge it holds. And decreases the life span faster. That slower is always better on lifespan.
The added heat from quik charge also puts strain on device if being used at same time.
Just my opinion
Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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this is also true
i just personally dont think its good on them to quickly dump voltage to them either
Not sure it will harmful to the battery life span, but sometimes I charge my phone to 100% and continue, so this will also harmful to battery?
You can just not use your phone battery at all. Once lithuim ion batterys reach 100 thats it, they then drain from your electricty So by turning on your power case when uts at 100%, the phone drains from the case. Of course if your using like an 1amp charger, theb battery will drain if using while plugged in., because the screen is eating more energy than the 1 amp can provide
Batteries are cheap....replacing them isn't that difficult. I got 20 months from my original battery(always fast charged).
If I get the same from the replacement then it's all good.
Use the phone....that's why you bought it.
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Yes, forcing a lithium battery above it's operating voltage, something like 4.7v with a 5v to over come is ok. But 9v!?!? That's degraded it's performance. In the great scheme of things does it really matter? Probably not, chances are you will get a new phone in a year or so anyways and thats about when the battery fails.
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I don't want to change the battery, and for now, more and more phone come with battery non-removable, it's not a good choose to change battery.
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I don't want to change the battery, and for now, more and more phone come with battery non-removable, it's not a good choose to change battery.
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Yes but how often? Every two years maybe?
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Yes but how often? Every two years maybe?
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I have never changed my battery since I owned my samsung s5 two years ago.
So how often will you change you battery? it is because the battery unavailable?
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Ive googled this and according to some psyhics, it doesnt matter how fast the electrons get to 3,000 mah. What really harms the battery is getting above 90% and below 10%. Everytime you get to 100% it counts as an cycle, and batterys have a limited life cycle. My orignal barttery went bad after 11 months...degraded from 3000 mah to 2,200. I manually replaced the battery myself
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It's difficult? Could i ask you which battery to buy and where you bought it?
Its only hard if u want to keep your glass back. I tore up and shattered mine and dont care because my phone is always in a case, so youll never see the back. Got the oem battery from ebay for around 10 dollars. Then its just a matter of taking out all the screws, connecting the really small connector, and screwing back tightly. Like you need put pressure on screen when putting back together because for example volume down button might not work if press 2 lightly
It's easy, use a heat gun and the simple tools. Took me 20 mins and I didn't break anything. Just bought the battery off eBay
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