Hey guys,
I think I read somewhere that the nook color CM7 nightly builds got the functionality of hardware supported video playback(?) Is this true? Does this mean I can play .avi (DivX and xvid) files smoothly using something like yx player/rock player without having to convert it to .mp4?
I am contemplating a nook color. All the other features seem great. Looks fun to mess around with. A good video playback would be an additional plus for me
I have had pretty good luck using Moboplayer and a bunch of videos I made with Handbrake for my iPod touch using the default iPod Touch profile. They are playing well and look good. Handbrake is free and it works pretty fast. I know you said you did not want to do MP4 but you might take a look at retranscoding.
I'm using CM7 nightly 102.
HTH,
Paul
pgrunwald said:
I have had pretty good luck using Moboplayer and a bunch of videos I made with Handbrake for my iPod touch using the default iPod Touch profile. They are playing well and look good. Handbrake is free and it works pretty fast. I know you said you did not want to do MP4 but you might take a look at retranscoding.
I'm using CM7 nightly 102.
HTH,
Paul
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As good as Stock 1.1.0?
pgrunwald, have you tried .avi files?
Okay. Hardware Acceleration will only work with specifically encoded for Nook Mp4's. (Yes videos for ipod touch, etc... will work, as their resolution is under the maximum the nook can handle) For more information as it's just to much to type... Look up the video threads by Dalingrin and Chisleu, they have all the information on that.
Now .Avi files. Play fine in software mode in any of the players you listed. That said, I'm gathering if you're watching an avi file, it's not over 720p, as that would just be stupid... But common "scene" releases of unmentioned files, do play fine.
720p Mkv's however absolutely require the OC kernel and in my current experience, the .29 kernel based CM7. The .32 kernel at this point seems to have trouble with 720p, it's not unwatchable, but it did stutter from time to time on my NC.
I'm using vitalplayer neon and it works fine for xvid avis. I didn't convert anything or check anything. I just used a file that I had downloaded to watch on my desktop. It stuttered a bit at the start but played smoothly after that. I was amazed. NC keeps doing more. I wasn't even overclocked at the time.
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720p Mkv's however absolutely require the OC kernel and in my current experience, the .29 kernel based CM7. The .32 kernel at this point seems to have trouble with 720p, it's not unwatchable, but it did stutter from time to time on my NC.
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Could you elaborate on this a bit more please (bitrate, framerate etc.)? I could never play 720p on my Nook. Currently I have one of the recent CM7 nightlies, and even OC'd to 1300 no player (Mobo, Rock, etc.) can't handle any of my 720p mkv's properly. It was also the case with OC'd .29 kernel. It's not that it just stutters every now and then; it's a heavily slowed down slideshow.
Maciej
eungholee2 said:
Hey guys,
I think I read somewhere that the nook color CM7 nightly builds got the functionality of hardware supported video playback(?) Is this true? Does this mean I can play .avi (DivX and xvid) files smoothly using something like yx player/rock player without having to convert it to .mp4?
I am contemplating a nook color. All the other features seem great. Looks fun to mess around with. A good video playback would be an additional plus for me
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Videos work great on Nook color CM7.1 nightlies. I use the built-in player and use handbrake to convert my videos.
Matchay said:
Could you elaborate on this a bit more please (bitrate, framerate etc.)? I could never play 720p on my Nook. Currently I have one of the recent CM7 nightlies, and even OC'd to 1300 no player (Mobo, Rock, etc.) can't handle any of my 720p mkv's properly. It was also the case with OC'd .29 kernel. It's not that it just stutters every now and then; it's a heavily slowed down slideshow.
Maciej
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To be honest, I can't really give specifics as the files are long gone that I did use. I was fully able to watch things like 720p trailers (Pirates of the Carribean) and the anime series Kaiji 2nd in Mkv at 720p.
If I get a chance I'll take another look.
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Videos work great on Nook color CM7.1 nightlies. I use the built-in player and use handbrake to convert my videos.
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I was looking to see if they would play well without the converting process
but thanks anyways.
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I was looking to see if they would play well without the converting process
but thanks anyways.
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Well if nothing else, I can guarantee playback of anything under 720p without encoding.
Anything above that is honestly overkill, not only for size of the file, but for the size of the screen; you just won't see a difference between a properly encoded dvdrip and a 720p bluray-rip.
That said, if you're like me, where you have certain files that are already encoded at 720p and would rather not "re-encode" or "re-obtain" them, then I can honestly say (in my experience) that the .29 kernel nightlies or Phiremod 6.2 with OC kernel (4/24) has played 720p files fine in Moboplayer. Not only has it played them fine, but it's not had a problem with soft-subtitles. Again though, this is from my experience in the past and I've been switching between .29 and .32 kernels, so I've been avoiding 720p files like the plague.
.32 kernel may be able to play 720p in the near future however, Dalingrin has responded a couple of times to my one man complaint team about the difference in video playback in the two kernels, and he's said that he is currently working on some major overhauls of the system that may or may not help address this issue.
so what I gather from here is that it handles video fine, even .avi as long as it isn't 720p? I also read something about it handling flash video fine @ 800mhz, 720p..?
here's the article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/cyanogenmod-7-on-the-nook-color-hands-on-video/
RE AVI - I'm sorry, I have not had time.
I did make a handbrake MP4 file using this profile and it played great: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=894165&highlight=handbrake
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so what I gather from here is that it handles video fine, even .avi as long as it isn't 720p? I also read something about it handling flash video fine @ 800mhz, 720p..?
here's the article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/cyanogenmod-7-on-the-nook-color-hands-on-video/
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Flash video is a whole 'nother ball park. Again, I find .29 kernel to be the best at handling flash and have personally had problems with .32's kernel for longer videos.
That said, I'm one of the only few complaining (possibly the only one), so it's possible it's just me or my source sites/files.
720p flash I'm going to assume to be dodgy at best, there are few tablets on the market that I know of (i.e tegra 2 processor) that still have trouble with 720p flash videos.
That said, flash videos of Standard quality look fine, and the youtube app allows you to play HD (I'm assuming it's 480p) videos without fail and look very nice.
use rockplayer lite
I completely understand not wanting to reencode your videos but keep something in mind. If the video can play in the stock video player then it will be much, much better on your battery life. If a video plays in the stock video player then all the decoding can be done with the DSP co-processor. Leaving the CPU sit nearly idle which will result in dramatically less power consumption. Just something to consider.
And yes, better video playback may be coming to CM7 in the near future if I can get a some changes in. Perhaps even DSP 720p decoding...but shh, you didn't hear that from me. Oh and maybe even *some* flash hardware acceleration though I won't know if will work until I can test it since its closed source.
Don't get your hopes up for the last two because they may or may not work with the changes I have planned.
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And yes, better video playback may be coming to CM7 in the near future if I can get a some changes in. Perhaps even DSP 720p decoding...but shh, you didn't hear that from me.
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Don't get your hopes up for the last two because they may or may not work with the changes I have planned.
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it's been really cruel of you to have woken up those hopes!!!! After all that time I reconciled with the fact I have to reencode vids...
Keeping my fingers crossed. If you achieve that, I am going to write a script which keeps tapping "donate to Dalingrin" at Nook Tweaks every time I watch 720p
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it's been really cruel of you to have woken up those hopes!!!! After all that time I reconciled with the fact I have to reencode vids...
Keeping my fingers crossed. If you achieve that, I am going to write a script which keeps tapping "donate to Dalingrin" at Nook Tweaks every time I watch 720p
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Haha, even with 720p support you will still likely need to reencode many of your videos due to the codecs being picky.
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Hi guys!
Im in deep love with the nook! And im not too far from buying one.
But im a bit confused! What is the nook able to do with the available custom rom?
I mean, will i be able to play Avi movies with no problems if i install a custom rom? i will write down my needs and you can answer whether theyr possible or not lol, probably easier.
- Readin documents Pdf mainly
- Music (TuneIn aswell)
- Light games such as angry birds, tank hero
- MOVIES Avi, mkv and so on.
Idc if i have to root or install a custom rom. I just need to know if the needs is possible in any way..
Thanks in advance and sorry for my english.
The froyo rom can play avi format along with many other formats. The stock rom can only play mp4 format. If you don't want to root the device, you can convert the video file by using handbrake, a free video conversion software. Nook is a good device for browsing the web and watch okay quality videos.
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Do you have a nook sir?
If so, can you tell me if the froyo rom will help me doing all the jobs PERFECTLY?
64 views and no answers? :s
Froyo is not ready for prime time - however NC rooted with 2.1 is more than enough to meet your listed needs -it can play various video formats - just need to get the right player - i use mVideoPlayer and it plays mp4 plus the added plus of importing subtitle files. RockPlayer plays a whole slew of formats including avi and mkvs. I use handbrake to transcode my avi files to mp4 coz who wants to be lugging that huge file size around?
I would recommend rooting and using the stock ROM. I would only use Froyo if you need to watch flash video. (You'll definitely need to root to get the Market, Gmail, and Youtube vidoes)
(Overclocking it is a nice bonus to gain some more speed.)
Edit: and the 64 views is likely a lot of bots browsing the forums.
Okay. I have one clear last question:
Can it play AVI's (Notice i need it to play avis and not mp4s) With NO LAG on a stable rom, at the moment? Thanks!
I have two nook colors. One for my wife; and one for me. You can watch avi videos on the froyo rom. It is actually pretty smooth. I like the froyo rom because it is very stable and fast. The only issue is that you have to put it to sleep and wake it up when the screen becomes a bit lagging. You can view PDF files by using acrobat reader. For a 250 device, it is well worth.
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Do the avi videos LAG? I mean, the pictures cant follow the sound or sumthing?
I too am considering the Nook Color. Sounds like a great entry-level tablet, that once rooted, can give you a great Android Experience at a mere fraction of the cost of newer tablets.
However, I'm likely to wait until the CM team comes out with an official ROM for the thing, as I value stability and smoothness in my devices.
I'm really exited to hear they may even be able to use the on-chip Bluetooth (the chip used has been shown to have Bluetooth hardware, and there has been at least one successful test). Using the Nook Color and a Bluetooth headset to use Skype would be a killer feature!
I'm keeping an eye on developments, and if there ever is a CM ROM for the NC, I'm very likely to buy one.
I didn't notice the lag when I watched the avi video. I also converted the avi videos to m4v format and it worked great from the stock rom
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Depends on your avi bitrate and resolution. At 800kbps and 640x360 rock player is smooth and good quality
Note trying to play full 1080 p on tablet is not ideal - after all you only have a 7 inch screen and a lower screen res
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I think BT has now been enabled -- but with problems. Let's hope the community finds a way to pair (properly) a blutooth headset.
Woohoo raised this thread from the dead for no apparent reason! I'm fairly sure the OP has either gotten a nook so he'd already be reading about BT in the forums, or he's moved on to something else. Either way why resurrect this thread?
I apologize. discovered the thread via search engine.... did not pause to verify the date!
I'm looking at possibly getting an Android tablet for some pretty basic use. Mainly browsing websites over wifi (or tethered to my DX), reading books, comics, maybe watching some TV/movies, etc. My main concern though is watching the videos...most of the movie files are HD video, 720p or 1080p rips. What kind of video playback performance does a rooted NC have?
I've just started thinking more about getting a NC and rooting it with a custom ROM, instead of getting a Xoom or the new 10.1 Galaxy Tab (mainly because of the price), but if it won't be able to reliably play my videos, that's out. I can always shrink the resolution down with Handbrake if needed, that's not a problem, I just don't want the playback to be all jittery/stuttering.
video performance will depend on which rom you go with. I believe DSP codecs are enabled in nookie froyo, but can't comment on the performance as i haven't used it.
cm7 is starting to get dsp support but video such as from the youtube app is still shakey.
but i actually tested some regular TV rips (avi) in MoboPlayer and they seem to run fine.
The Froyo version works very well with youtube and movies stored on the sd card. They look good to me and i am happy with the NC on Froyo.
I just installed CM7 last night so i can't really comment on that yet but i did read that youtube is not working right and videos have issues. I will try this tonight hopefully.
Videos do play in the newest CM7 nightly, albeit mainly around 15 fps, but it is pretty constant in this early face.
You will without a doubt have to encode your HD videos again in order to watch them on the nook without stutter and audio sync issues. With the hardware limitations the nook has videos need to be encoded in h.264 baseline format at a resolution of 854x480 or less. There is a handbrake preset thread on the forum that works well.
When the subject of video playback comes up often on these forums what you'll get are people chiming in that this and that will work. When in doubt press them hard for what their tolerance level is regarding playback quality. For some of us "it works" can mean that video plays and audio is heard well enough to be watchable but artifacts and stutter and audio sync issues exist. Others demand full framerate with no stutter and zero audio sync issues. Personally I fall into the latter so I resolve myself to adhere to the use or my handbrake preset and am satisfied.
If cost is a factor then be aware of the old adage that you get what you pay for. The nook is no POS by any means but is also not a Xoom or iPad 2. Its a fantastic value and works well for the purposes you describe provided you're willing to accept the compromises like re-encoding videos for smooth playback or tethering via adhoc wifi due to lack of 3g etc.
Devs are making great strides in the development of cm7 and it won't be long before a fully functional version is out that's suitable for daily use. They're not quite there yet though so compromises have to be made and you can read about those in the cm7 dev and user threads.
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Thanks for the very informative replies, espcially muzzy996. I'll probably wait a bit and see what happens with CM7, or if the prices on the new Galaxy Tab 10.1 or Xoom drop down to a more acceptable amount before CM7 is good for daily use. Plus, now that I think about it some more, a 7" tablet isn't THAT much larger than my DX...I may just end up waiting on a decently priced 10" tablet regardless...
In my opinion:
No matter the kernel, build, processor, etc....Nook color (and Android in general) is going to struggle with sync (audio and video) issues of video encoded in a format that is not "native" to Android (The "infamous" iPod video format.) Anything else is decoded via software -- and will display less than desirable results. Like I said....I have noticed this on all 4 of the different Android devices I have owned...it is not specific to the Nook.
Well, I've had no problems with watching divx rips on my DX, but I haven't tried, that I remember, watching any HD video (mostly because the majority of my video files are several gig's, and I don't have that much room free on my memory card).
I am very picky about video playback and I find when videos are encoded for the Nook theg look and play wonderfully on rooted stock and Froyo.
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In my opinion:
No matter the kernel, build, processor, etc....Nook color (and Android in general) is going to struggle with sync (audio and video) issues of video encoded in a format that is not "native" to Android (The "infamous" iPod video format.) Anything else is decoded via software -- and will display less than desirable results. Like I said....I have noticed this on all 4 of the different Android devices I have owned...it is not specific to the Nook.
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I've read that TI isn't exactly open about the DSP. If it were otherwise you would probably see much more flexible hardware decoding.
I had NC with Cyanogen Mod 7. I couldn't get 720p to work on it.
Now that my NC got broken, I'm thinking of buying it again. Is there anything new about 720p?
i'd like to know too. as from the day after tomorrow i will be a Nook owner too
In this price range you're still not going to find a decent tablet with 720p capabilities. If your only goal is videos, start taking a look at the chinese tablets and the archos. If you want a tablet with the ability to do it, but not perfectly, then the nook is your best choice.
I say not perfectly, as I found that 720p video was better on the .29kernel (1300mhz) with Moboplayer. 720p works okay with overclock and Moboplayer on the .32 kernel though...
That said, 720p is overkill for that small of a screen.
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I would see the tablet being worth it if it was 1080p but I'm not sure aboutv720
Check out my newbie YouTube: http://youtube.com/androidhow
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Um what? ----
Basically no, there isn't any news on the video playback front. The new B&N update's codec had the same file limitations that we had previously, so we lack the codecs for 720p (like an Archos has).
If you want 720p playback get a used Galaxy Tab.
It really isn't a problem for me to watch 720p on NC's screen, but if it was able to do it, it would save the hassle of converting the videos and movies I download for my PC.
I will try moboplayer with OC.
wajed said:
It really isn't a problem for me to watch 720p on NC's screen, but if it was able to do it, it would save the hassle of converting the videos and movies I download for my PC.
I will try moboplayer with OC.
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At least 1350 isn't enough to run 720p videos. I tried to set up tversity but couldn't get it to transcode.. Didn't feel like setting up either of the free alternatives either, lots of fuzzing with config files..
Technical question for you re-encoding guys. Does the 854 limit count after or before anamorphic scaling? So is it possible to play back pal 2.3 picture format movies? Native resolution 720x445, stretches to 1024 wide on-screen..
What ROM can I flash to playback video as smoothly as possible? I see in some discussion people saying their Tabs can play back 1080p high profile MKV's perfectly, while in others, such as the Overcome ROM discussion, people are saying that they're seeing a lot of stuttering invideo.
Most people are talking ****, there's also no point in playing 1080p movies on the tab, they aren't going to look any better than 720p movies (which play just fine) real high profile 1080p rips are 15-25gb so you wouldn't even be able to get them on the tab.
At the moment, the latest and greatest is overcome gold, mix that with the oc kernel and you'll be fine playing back high bitrate 720 movies
I have found the old line of overcome better than 2.0 for some things. It has been more stable for me and I never has any problems with video play back. I've haven't tried 1080 since I've never seen the point: more storage and zero perceivable quality improvement.
The source and transcoding are far more important.
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The reason I asked about 1080 is just because a lot of my files are already ripped as 1080, and I don't want to have to transcode my files to play them back.
any decent rom will do, even the stock one. Overclocked kernels on ext4 filesystem works better though. Watching 1080p movies on Overcome Gold + koxudaxi kernel.
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Hey guys.
I've searched around and tried to find answers on this forum and others, but I can't seem to find anything. If I'm missing something obvious, my apologies.
I have a Nook Color, running CM9 with Android 4.0.3.
I've tried a variety of file types, .wmv, .mp4, .mkv, etc.
I've tried a few players, Dice, MxPlayer, MoboPlayer, VPlayer, and a few others.
All of the combinations I've tried have had problems, some are just low FPS, some have audio either gone completely after a few seconds, or cutting in and out, others have fine audio, but it's a few seconds off the video.
Is there any magic combination I'm missing?
I have HandBrake, should I be converting videos with some special settings to make them play nicely?
Any and all advice is appreciated.
What video are they? Nook at CM9 gets really slow in handling high quality video. It's a matter of hardware.
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RASTAVIPER said:
What video are they? Nook at CM9 gets really slow in handling high quality video. It's a matter of hardware.
Produced by NookColor at ICS AOKP 4.0.4
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What kind of video? That's a rather odd question, they're movies. Mostly 720P, if you're asking about the quality.
Should I change which version of CM I have? Would that help?
Good success playing video on my CM9 Nook Color...
I am also running CM9 on my Nook Color, and watch movies converted to "M4V" from my DVDs using handbrake software ... using a preset file special for the Nook Color (I have attached a copy of the preset file I have been using with great success). I am very pleased with the quality and performance, no it is not HD quality, but I really don't care because the screen is only 7" wide. I use MxPlayer, set to S/W decoding. Works great for me!
~Dave..
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What kind of video? That's a rather odd question, they're movies. Mostly 720P, if you're asking about the quality.
Should I change which version of CM I have? Would that help?
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Yes about quality was my question.
720p is the limit of the hardware.
Cm7 could play such videos, but not all of them. Depends on the encoding.
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I am also running CM9 on my Nook Color, and watch movies converted to "M4V" from my DVDs using handbrake software ... using a preset file special for the Nook Color (I have attached a copy of the preset file I have been using with great success). I am very pleased with the quality and performance, no it is not HD quality, but I really don't care because the screen is only 7" wide. I use MxPlayer, set to S/W decoding. Works great for me!
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Thanks a lot!
I tried out the preset, and there's a definite improvement. However, the FPS is still a little lacking and the audio is off by a few seconds.
I used MxPlayer, and tried both S/W, and S/W (fast).
I guess I'll just keep playing around with it, unless anyone has any more advice.