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New Owner, Rooting Questions

Hello,
I just received my Incredible S yesterday, and after some searching around, I've finally found the guide to root it on this forum.
I'm going to use the guide, but as a new rooter (only rooted an HTC Desire), I have a few questions regarding this specific phone.
My phone is currently s-on, and I'm going to follow the guide to get to s-off mode. However, does it matter that I'm only running 2.2.1? Am I still able to root?
Also, when does s-on get activated again? Only wen I go back to a retail ROM?
And, this is a total noob question...Am I able to use the Recovery ROM on one memory card (an 8GB), go through the root process and then switch to a 16GB card to install a custom ROM?
Thanks.

1. alpharevx works for both Gingerbread (2.3) and Froyo (2.2)
2. If you flash an official ROM (you can find them in a collection thread somewhere here on xda) you'll go back to S-ON.
3. After you've "installed" the custom recovery, it doesn't matter how many times you change SD-card; the custom recovery will still be there since you flash it over the original recovery.
Short answer; Yes, you can use a different SD-card to install a custom ROM from!

OK, just found this information in the ROM that I want to use...
HTC Incredible S S-OFF
Radio S-OFF in order to flash new radio
ClockworkMod Recovery with EXT4 support from here
Does using AlphaRevX put the radio into s-off mode?

tazz131 said:
OK, just found this information in the ROM that I want to use...
HTC Incredible S S-OFF
Radio S-OFF in order to flash new radio
ClockworkMod Recovery with EXT4 support from here
Does using AlphaRevX put the radio into s-off mode?
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I've been searching the forums, but I can't find anything about that...
I'd like to know how to find out if your radio is S-OFF or S-ON. Or is radio S-OFF the same as HBoot S-OFF (which you get by using alpharevx)?
Sometimes I have to say it's a bit hard to find info about some things for he IncS

alpharevx s-off is sufficient...you don't have to do a special radio s-off..I'm already running Android Revolution HD 1.1.0
edit: even I didn't find anything specific about radio s-off

jaysonline said:
alpharevx s-off is sufficient...you don't have to do a special radio s-off..I'm already running Android Revolution HD 1.1.0
edit: even I didn't find anything specific about radio s-off
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Me neither, that's why I'm starting to get confused about the "what you need" part of ARHD forum topic...
And since it works for you, I guess what he means with "Radio S-OFF" is that you should flash that radio he recommends to use with his ROM, or does he know something that no one else on this forum knows?

Yes, I think that's what he means unless ofcourse he has some secrets

hey, i am new to this all this root and stuff...
just few question.
so, the s-ff in hdboot mean the phone is rootable?
and the Radio S-OFF means i can use any carrier I chose?
thank you :]

eqao said:
hey, i am new to this all this root and stuff...
just few question.
so, the s-ff in hdboot mean the phone is rootable?
and the Radio S-OFF means i can use any carrier I chose?
thank you :]
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s-off yes you can root your phone
radio s-off to use any carrier? i think you need to unlock your phone if it is for you to be able to use any carrier
radio s-off mean you can flash new radio versions

[Q] Radio s-off for idiots (like me)

How do I get radio s-off so I can install another radio. I'm not a complete idiot (as the topic says), but I'm having trouble understanding these "adb" commands, where to typ them in, and if I need some program on my computers.
So I would appreciate an idiots guide to s-off

You don't necessarily need radio S-OFF to flash a different radio. If you have HBOOT S-OFF you can flash a new radio in the bootloader.

Hello,
As said above you don't need radio soff. I think to be able to flash you need only boot soff.
If you have a stock rom you can gain soff using alpharevx (see dev section).
For windows the useful software is:
- htc sync (from HTC site) for the correct usb drivers;
- Android sdk (google)
- I don't know if eclipse is a req or not (i've installed)
- fastboot (google)
The "famigerate" adb is in the Android sdk.
For tutorial, there are a lot in the dev section.
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App

Hi,
i can't understand so why we need Rsdio s-off? Yesterday i flashed new radio from Android Revolution HD 1.1.1 post.

nalbo said:
Hi,
i can't understand so why we need Rsdio s-off? Yesterday i flashed new radio from Android Revolution HD 1.1.1 post.
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Yeah, I did so too! Didn't know how I could've missed that part Sorry for the lame question ...lol!

everything you need - is ENG HBOOT
If you have HBOOT S-OFF you can flash a new radio in the bootloader.
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actually - no. AlphaRev HBOOT cannot flash radio.

I managed to update my radio in the AlphaRevX HBOOT screen by booting into it with the new radio (named as PG32IMG.zip) in the root folder.
It does seem, however, that you can't flash a radio like this on some newer phones (at least that's what the word on the forums is telling me), so maybe my way doesn't work for everyone. Guess ENG HBOOT might be the only way for some people after all, but my phone didn't need it.

So can someone actually confirm, can we flash Android Revolution with Alpharevx S OFF In his post it says the radio needs to be S OFF, which is different to Alpharevx S OFF, and reading other posts who only have Alpharevx S OFF when they have flashed AR ROM they are experiencing problems during calls, so they then have to install eng hboot which, in itself, seems to cause problems also. Have i lost u yet
Android Revolution post says:
"HTC Incredible S S-OFF
Radio S-OFF in order to flash new radio
ClockworkMod Recovery with EXT4 support from here"
jaysonline says:
"alpharevx s-off is sufficient...you don't have to do a special radio s-off..I'm already running Android Revolution HD 1.1.0
edit: even I didn't find anything specific about radio s-off"
Can someone please finalise...maybe someone has flashed AR using just Alpharevx S OFF and all is ok.
Cheers.
btw, watching Terminator 2....what a film...even after at least 100 watches

You don't need radio S-OFF to flash a ROM, so yes, you can flash ARHD with only the HBOOT S-OFF and root. The only thing you may not be able to flash is a radio, but that depends on the individual phone, as I mentioned in the post above.

doctorsax said:
I managed to update my radio in the AlphaRevX HBOOT screen by booting into it with the new radio (named as PG32IMG.zip) in the root folder.
It does seem, however, that you can't flash a radio like this on some newer phones (at least that's what the word on the forums is telling me), so maybe my way doesn't work for everyone. Guess ENG HBOOT might be the only way for some people after all, but my phone didn't need it.
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Yes, exactly my experience. Two UK Inc S's, both s-off'd with XTC clip, one flashed radio no problem, the other newer one would not flash radio til ENG hboot installed.

I have flashed new radio with HBOOT S-OFF. I tried to install ENG hboot but had some problems. Just installed adb and followed instructions from Android Revolution HD 1.1.1 post. Maybe i'm lucky

doctorsax said:
You don't need radio S-OFF to flash a ROM, so yes, you can flash ARHD with only the HBOOT S-OFF and root. The only thing you may not be able to flash is a radio, but that depends on the individual phone, as I mentioned in the post above.
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Don't you need to flash the recommended radio in order to get the best out of the ROM? I got a new IS so I imagine I will need the eng HBOOT...just having problems with sdk thats all

VaderXI said:
Don't you need to flash the recommended radio in order to get the best out of the ROM? I got a new IS so I imagine I will need the eng HBOOT...just having problems with sdk thats all
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Yeah, though the ROM should still be functional with a different radio at least.

codryn said:
My Desire S was S-ON with HBOOT 0.98.0000. I have unlocked it with alpharevx and now I have HBOOT 6.98.1002. Should I flash this version of HBOOT (ENG)? And if yes how could I do this in most easier way.
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I read this post yesterday from ieftm the project initiator of the AlpharevX.
ieftm said:
Yeah, it gives exactly 0 advantages over AlphaRevX hboot. That is in essence what we patched in on our HBOOTs as well.
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So apparently AlpharevX HBOOT should contain the same functionality as ENG HBOOT.
So don't bother.
Sent from my HTC Desire S using XDA Premium App

Think I'm gonna stick with the stock ROM. Quite happy with it really, sooooo much better than my Samsung Omnia HD i had before in every way....it actually does what it says it can do without having to implement a **** load of workarounds! All I would be interested in if i flashed a new ROM is better battery performance, and they cant necessarily guarantee this. Think Ill try this out first for battery performance:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1166716.
Cheers all!

[Q]how to downgrade 2.30.405.1

please help me
how to downgrade 2.30.405.1 (with s-on) to 2.12.405.7 without xtc-clip
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App

kuba28ms said:
please help me
how to downgrade 2.30.405.1 (with s-on) to 2.12.405.7 without xtc-clip
Sent from my HTC Incredible S using XDA App
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You have posted a general question in the Developement forum. Anyway, it's not possible.

look at the bright side
I, too, mistakingly upgrade to 2.30.405.1. Looking forward to a way to be downgraded and S-off.
At the mean time, however, I made myself enjoin using better FM-Radio signal and much better image quality from camera in 2.30.405.1.
Note: my previous built was Gingerbread_S_HTC_WWE_2.12.405.7

it is possible to flash another RUU ROM using goldcard on a phone that comes with 2.30.405.1 ?

hussainmushahid said:
it is possible to flash another RUU ROM using goldcard on a phone that comes with 2.30.405.1 ?
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No. You can't go 'backwards' with a Goldcard, just flash RUUs from different regions. If that were possible to do, then everyone on 2.30.405.1 would be able to downgrade and root easily and there wouldn't be any problems with it.

You have to flash the 2.12 Rom.zip via sd (gold) but change the 2.12 version number in the android-text to 2.30...worked for me...

TrippleT said:
You have to flash the 2.12 Rom.zip via sd (gold) but change the 2.12 version number in the android-text to 2.30...worked for me...
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that will only work if you have S-OFF because by modifying the contents of the android-text file in the PG32IMG.zip file will invalidate the HTC signature and the HBOOT loader will fail trying to flash it an unsigned file.

tpbklake said:
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that will only work if you have S-OFF because by modifying the contents of the android-text file in the PG32IMG.zip file will invalidate the HTC signature and the HBOOT loader will fail trying to flash it an unsigned file.
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I think that must be true, otherwise everyone would be doing it to get S-OFF!

doctorsax said:
No. You can't go 'backwards' with a Goldcard, just flash RUUs from different regions. If that were possible to do, then everyone on 2.30.405.1 would be able to downgrade and root easily and there wouldn't be any problems with it.
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but you can flash a RUU of a different region and then use AlphaRevX to go S-OFF right? (sorry for asking a noob off-topic question)

hussainmushahid said:
but you can flash a RUU of a different region and then use AlphaRevX to go S-OFF right? (sorry for asking a noob off-topic question)
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Not necessarily, it depends on the ROM you're currently running. For the most part you can use a gold card to flash an RUU that's the same version or newer than what you're running currently, which is useful to get a ROM that doesn't have the exploit patched that AlphaRevX uses. Some carrier's ROMs can't be flashed at all, no matter what, gold card or not. For example the latest Verizon Wireless ROM is completely locked down and can't be flashed/rooted/S-OFF'd without using an XTC Clip. Other carriers are better about leaving the ROM's alone. All you can do is try and see what happens.

TrippleT said:
You have to flash the 2.12 Rom.zip via sd (gold) but change the 2.12 version number in the android-text to 2.30...worked for me...
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i tried it, creat gold card and extract rom.zip from 2.12 ruu and rename it to PG32IMG.zip an run bootloader. in hboot see this:
loading...PG32IMG.zip
when load complete:
checking...PG32IMG.zip
and after this step back to main hboot page and after reboot NO HAPPENS to my phone!!! my last rom is still alive you sure this way worked for you????

mhmb87 said:
i tried it, creat gold card and extract rom.zip from 2.12 ruu and rename it to PG32IMG.zip an run bootloader. in hboot see this:
loading...PG32IMG.zip
when load complete:
checking...PG32IMG.zip
and after this step back to main hboot page and after reboot NO HAPPENS to my phone!!! my last rom is still alive you sure this way worked for you????
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Even with a goldcard, if you are S-ON and you modify the PG32IMG.zip by editting the android-info.txt file to change the version, you no longer have a HTC signature on the zip file and it will not flash. With S-ON you will not be able to flash a ROM that has a version number less than 2.30.xxx.x

Then have anyone known what "ROM that has a version number greater than or equal to 2.30.xxx.x" and can be S-off by "Alpharevx".

I also tried the same, even with a gold card. I think it worked for him because he is already S-OFF.

There is nothing we can do until a temp root method is found for 2.30. Or we could use an xtc clip to gain s-off.

if i use the clipm then will it be s-offed forever? or if u update hboot, then its fall back to s-on?

mrkekson said:
if i use the clipm then will it be s-offed forever? or if u update hboot, then its fall back to s-on?
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The XTC clip will give you permanent S-OFF. Flashing a new HBOOT will not affect the S-OFF setting.

S-off + 2.30.405.1 = true
(if you are not monitoring the other thread)
a friend claims that the latest release(04pre3) NOW (did not before with earlier version) can S-OFF 2.30.405.1
http://revolutionary.io/
and other user writes:
AzizOnDeck said:
I can back that statement up! I'm currently S-OFF Running GB
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finaly

Yea the incredible s can now be S-OFFed with the new 2.30.405.1 software version.

revolutionary this software can help you

Downgrade HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 without Goldcard hassle free

After having a HTC Buzz for only a few days now and spending most of that time trying to downgrade HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 without success, I thought I would share this very easy way of going about it.
I followed [GUIDE] Downgrade to HTC Froyo WWE for AlphaRevX (HBOOT 1.01.0001) without success. After reading through the posts a lot of people did it hassle free but for others they could not accomplish this at all, like myself. With this procedure Step1 was successful, Goldcard was created successfully but for me Step2 just closed without actually doing anything.
I achieved downgrade from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 by simply installing a Ship ROM available on 3xeno thread [RUU] HTC Wildfire Shipped / Stock ROMs Collection [Complete]. The ROM is a WWE Froyo ROM and this will automatically downgrade HBOOT for you to 1.01.0001 just by simple having your phone plugged into the data cable, clicking the .exe and following the popup Wizard. The Ship ROM can be downloaded from Multiupload or Rapishare. After flashing this ROM I am now on 1.01.0001 and I successfully achieved S-OFF, flashed a custom Recovery and Rooted my phone by following the Revolutionary Method. I can now flash any Custom ROM, zip update or simply flash a percentage battery icon in the original Buzz ROM.
Step1 from "[GUIDE] Downgrade to HTC Froyo WWE for AlphaRevX (HBOOT 1.01.0001)" (Link above) was successfully installed before the Ship ROM was Flashed so maybe others can try Flashing the Sip ROM without Step1 installed and let me know.
I hope this helps others to get HBOOT to 1.01.0001.
If this helped then please hit the Thanks button.

did you try http://revolutionary.io first?

[email protected] said:
did you try http://revolutionary.io first?
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he must first Downgrade HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 to use revolutionary
revolutionary work only with HBOOT 1.01.0001 to S-OFF

I think you will still have to perform step 1 successfully. Afaik, directly flashing the ruu will not downgrade the 0002 hboot to 0001.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

3xeno said:
Afaik, directly flashing the ruu will not downgrade the 0002 hboot to 0001.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
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I flashed the ROM above and it did indeed downgrade the HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001. The memory card had a full format so no Goldcard present.

AndHD2 said:
I flashed the ROM above and it did indeed downgrade the HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001. The memory card had a full format so no Goldcard present.
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But you had performed step 1 of ief's guide before flashing the ruu, if I am not mistaken?
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3xeno said:
But you had performed step 1 of ief's guide before flashing the ruu, if I am not mistaken?
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Yes, Step1 was flashed successfully, Goldcard successful but Step2 didnt do anything at all. I have edited Post 1 to show this.

It worked! ROM & HBoot got downgraded, and we managed to get S-Off with my friend using THIS guide Thank you very much for bringing this on! Cheers!

[email protected] said:
It worked! ROM & HBoot got downgraded, and we managed to get S-Off with my friend using THIS guide Thank you very much for bringing this on! Cheers!
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Glad it worked. Did you try using [GUIDE] Downgrade to HTC Froyo WWE for AlphaRevX (HBOOT 1.01.0001) and if so did you successfully run Step1. I did but not sure if it works without running Step1 first.

yes the rom will downgrade to 1.01.001,I checked,thanks .............................
AndHD2 said:
After having a HTC Buzz for only a few days now and spending most of that time trying to downgrade HBOOT from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 without success, I thought I would share this very easy way of going about it.
I followed [GUIDE] Downgrade to HTC Froyo WWE for AlphaRevX (HBOOT 1.01.0001) without success. After reading through the posts a lot of people did it hassle free but for others they could not accomplish this at all, like myself. With this procedure Step1 was successful, Goldcard was created successfully but for me Step2 just closed without actually doing anything.
I achieved downgrade from 1.01.0002 to 1.01.0001 by simply installing a Ship ROM available on 3xeno thread [RUU] HTC Wildfire Shipped / Stock ROMs Collection [Complete]. The ROM is a WWE Froyo ROM and this will automatically downgrade HBOOT for you to 1.01.0001 just by simple having your phone plugged into the data cable, clicking the .exe and following the popup Wizard. The Ship ROM can be downloaded from Multiupload or Rapishare. After flashing this ROM I am now on 1.01.0001 and I successfully achieved S-OFF, flashed a custom Recovery and Rooted my phone by following the Revolutionary Method. I can now flash any Custom ROM, zip update or simply flash a percentage battery icon in the original Buzz ROM.
Step1 from "[GUIDE] Downgrade to HTC Froyo WWE for AlphaRevX (HBOOT 1.01.0001)" (Link above) was successfully installed before the Ship ROM was Flashed so maybe others can try Flashing the Sip ROM without Step1 installed and let me know.
I hope this helps others to get HBOOT to 1.01.0001.
If this helped then please hit the Thanks button.
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yes the rom will downgrade to 1.01.001,I checked,thanks .............................

I ve got error 131 cconsumers id error when i try to flash this rom , what could be the problem?

liomojo said:
I ve got error 131 cconsumers id error when i try to flash this rom , what could be the problem?
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i think you should make a gold card.

Yes I made and using the gold card metod i succeded to doowngrade and then i decided to flash this rom ,and now i am back to hboot 002. Now i try the old method and it is not working i am still hboot 002 , i am s-off now but , what the hell happened?

Links are expired!

[Q] Which Unbranded Stock Rom Should I Load?

Sorry for a stupid question
But i'm just so confused with all the several stock roms that HTC offers and i just want to figure out which unbranded stock rom (don't require root) should i go with that would receive updates as they get released and would play nice with the Bell Incredible S S710a?
Also if i'm correct, after i S-OFF the device, i just need to install the recovery and then i can just flash the rom throug the recovery (just as i did with my X10) or is there something i'm missing (looking through these guides - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145541 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036581)?
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Tim

Timbits93 said:
Sorry for a stupid question
But i'm just so confused with all the several stock roms that HTC offers and i just want to figure out which unbranded stock rom (don't require root) should i go with that would receive updates as they get released and would play nice with the Bell Incredible S S710a?
Also if i'm correct, after i S-OFF the device, i just need to install the recovery and then i can just flash the rom throug the recovery (just as i did with my X10) or is there something i'm missing (looking through these guides - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145541 and http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1036581)?
Thanks and Happy New Year!
Tim
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Since you are S-Off you should to able to follow the instructions here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1145541
I have flashed all of the different WWE RUUs starting with 2.12.405 and I am currently running 3.08.405.3 on my S710a using this procedure.

Any need to flash a radio (guide doesn't mention it) or is it included in the ruu?

Timbits93 said:
Any need to flash a radio (guide doesn't mention it) or is it included in the ruu?
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Radio.img is a part of the RUU.

tpbklake said:
I am currently running 3.08.405.3 on my S710a using this procedure.
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I'm assuming you're running this rom now?
RUU_VIVO_SENSE30_S_HTC_WWE_3.08.405.3_Radio_20.4802.30.0822U_3822.10.08.28_M_release_227170_signed
Tried flashing that one, but got stuck at the HTC white screen for 15-20 min so i gave up and flashed back the Bell rom (which is back up)
Help?

Timbits93 said:
I'm assuming you're running this rom now?
RUU_VIVO_SENSE30_S_HTC_WWE_3.08.405.3_Radio_20.4802.30.0822U_3822.10.08.28_M_release_227170_signed
Tried flashing that one, but got stuck at the HTC white screen for 15-20 min so i gave up and flashed back the Bell rom (which is back up)
Help?
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How did you S-OFF? Did you use Revolutionary? If so that is the difference. My was unlocked and S-OFF using the XTC Clip so I didn't need to use Revolutionary.

Yeah i used Revolitionary, don't have or know anyone with a XTC Clip
Meh, might just give up and try flashing the Android Revolution HD rom (since it's essentially that rom, just cleaned up).
Thanks though!

Timbits93 said:
Yeah i used Revolitionary, don't have or know anyone with a XTC Clip
Meh, might just give up and try flashing the Android Revolution HD rom (since it's essentially that rom, just cleaned up).
Thanks though!
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Yeah that is the best course of action since you have the Revolutionary S-OFF HBOOT. It is going to prevent you from installing the official IncS Sense 3.0 RUU/ROM. I tried to build a rooted, stock ROM from the 3.08.405.3 RUU/ROM for you guys, but it will only boot if you have the official HBOOT 2.00.0000. It will not boot on the Revolutionary S-OFF HBOOT.