I just wish they would do this for the IncS also...
"We wanted to provide an update on HTC’s progress with bringing bootloader unlocking to our newest phones. We know how excited some of you are for this capability, and we’ve put significant resources behind making this change as soon as possible. While we wish we could flip a simple switch and unlock all bootloaders across our device portfolio, this is actually a complex challenge that requires a new software build and extensive testing to deliver the best possible customer experience.
We’re thrilled to announce today that software updates to support bootloader unlocking will begin rolling out in August for the global HTC Sensation, followed by the HTC Sensation 4G on T-Mobile USA and the HTC EVO 3D on Sprint. We’re in the testing phase for the unlocking capability now, and we expect it to be fully operational by early September for devices that have received the software updates. We'll continue rolling out the unlocking capability over time to other devices as part of maintenance releases and new shipments.
HTC continues its commitment to unlocking bootloaders and supporting the developer community. Because of the importance of this community to us, please expect an update on this about every few weeks as we make progress toward launch. Thank you for your patience and continued support!"
You find the link here.
Does it matter much if we've got a working exploit anyway?
It's not working at the moment...
jkolner said:
It's not working at the moment...
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Not on the newest WWE version, but it does at least work for most people.
If they do this for the IncS, its still atleast a couple of months away. Personally, I wouldn't keep my expectations too high.
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www . facebook . com / motorolaeurope / posts / 167417936629785
(remove the spaces, sorry as I'm a new user)
To summarise, a Froyo build (not mentioned which one) has been sent to operators for testing. Guess that would mean a few more months before a build is even released to public. (Right after the announcement for Gingerbread? Ugh.)
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First of all, greetings to all (it's my first post). The Milestone is my first Android phone, and it's a love-hate relationship honestly. I made a mistake not knowing about the locked bootloader (who wouldn't? After all most Android phones don't come with a 2048-bit encrypted bootloader). I believe most Milestone users share the same experience with me, finding out the cruel truth only after purchase.
Why lock? I believe most users have already read the comment from Motorola's CEO, which is to protect users from damaging their phone. (I'll get the source article later.) Seriously? Look at the magic Droid users and developers have churned out.
The Milestone, like the Droid, is a capable phone. Not the best in the market now, but one of the better ones in the same price range.
If Motorola is unable to release updates in time, I personally feel that they should unlock our bootloader, and let the community do the magic. It's after all what people look for when they bought an open-sourced phone.
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I frequent the Milestone development forums (even though I've never left a message simply because I feel that I lack technical knowledge to be commenting on their wonderful works), and love what has been made for Milestone. However, there are limitations definitely, from what I gathered.
I humbly believe that if they unlocked the bootloader, they would change people's views of Motorola worldwide (like when I first got the Milestone, before finding out about the locked bootloader) and in the long run it's definitely beneficial. We're talking about European, Middle Eastern, Asian, Indian, Mexican, Canadian (?) and many more markets here, my dear big M.
Is there any petition already started to appeal to Motorola to unlock our bootloaders? After all, Android is about the power of the community.
Sorry for the long message, I just needed to get this off my mind, and would love to hear about views from the amazing xda community. I may be wrong, I may be biased, but I'm just a plain Milestone user.
Oh, I still love my Milestone anyway.
Thanks. =)
it'll probably never get unlocked, but it still sucks. i love being able to do damn neared anything i want to my Droid.
This is taken from engadget.com
HTC is legendary for its tacit support of the Android ROM cooking community. Motorola... not so much, thanks in large part to the company's policy of locking down the bootloader as a means to prevent unapproved software from running on its Droid handsets. An annoyance recently exacperated by a moderator of Moto's YouTube channel who suggested that customers looking to install custom ROMs should "buy elsewhere." Ouch. The resulting public relations kerfuffle then prompted Motorola to publish a clarification to its bootloader policy on Facebook:
We apologize for the feedback we provided regarding our bootloader policy. The response does not reflect the views of Motorola. We are working closely with our partners to offer a bootloader solution that will enable developers to use our devices as a development platform while still protecting our users' interests. More detailed information will follow as we get closer to availability.
Obviously, we'll have wait for said details to get official before calling this a shift in strategy. It's certainly an improvement over Moto's previous approach of lawyering-up with cease and desist orders. Perhaps Motorola is taking a cue from Microsoft who seems to have recently discovered that it's better to embrace than to annoy a motivated hacking community -- customers who tend to be a company's most dedicated fans and evangelists.
Good news?
Direct Link: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/motorola-ready-to-make-sweet-love-to-rom-devs-and-rooters/
its a maybe. maybe they will launch our froyo locked, maybe it'll be open. we never know.
i just read this also. this could be great news or another terrible taunt whih leads to nothing.
im not gonna get my hopes up just yet.
available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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Sounds like a PR stunt to quell the immediate situation before waiting for it to blow over.
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I dont believe in manufaturer, i believe in XDA dev's..... this a "cold water" not a hope for us.
I hope this isn't just some PR bull and moto actually enables us to load custom kernels.
That press release says nothing about unlocking the bootloader, only that they will help devs which could mean anything!
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available Q1 of 2046, stay tuned! lol
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LMFAO!!!
i dnt believe motorolsh!t will do that(unlocking the bootloader)
I so love my new HTC Desire! couldnt stand this situation anymore....! sorry guys...
It is just the usual PR crap which companies like them give when they screw up on the social networking front. The "..buy elsewhere.." was just a such screw up. A Royal one I would say!
They are now trying to calm down the situation by giving us this crap..
I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.
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2046???
...that seems a little too soon... dont ya think?
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I think it's just a excuse about the bad comments in youtube video, nothing more than that.
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That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.
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That seems most likely but perhaps the fallout and bad press from that will push them to do what they should have done long ago, free the bootloader in some form so we can get custom ROMs on it.
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Yes, I really want to see this happening, but I don't have any hope about Motorola opening the bootloader.
If they do, ok, excelent news to the community, to all developers that will make even better ROMs and for all of us that have a Motorola phone. We can see the quality of alternative ROMs for Motorola Milestone today as example. It's obvious that the only limitation is the bootloader, so the quality can be massively improved if we can change and optimize the kernel.
But I think all people here are already tired from Motorola's position about his costumers: Censorship on comments (youtube and motorola forums), censorship on criticism (even the very good ones, Motorola does not seem to care about the opinion of his costumers), cease and desist in community cases like the ROM of Droid X and sites with roms (that its very stupid IMHO)... and the list goes on...
By the way, my only hope is, if that happens and I have not exchanged my phone yet, good.. I'll make good use of it. But honestly? I have now my last phone from Motorola.
Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?
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Am I missing something? Forgive my ignorance, but what is "locked up" about the bootloader? I'm running CM6 along with the overclocked CM6 kernel, and there are tons of other custom ROMs out for the Droid as it stands. What is restricted by Motorola?
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Milestone users cannot use custom kernels. All the AOSP ROMs still have to use the SAME kernel, supplied by Mot. They lock it to the bootloader. This means problems trying to compile modules and customer kernels and no way to patch bugs.
It is much more work for devs to get stuff done for the milestone than other phone (htc comes to mind).
Examples of issues: battery life, phone sleeping, waiting for compatible kernel or hack for new android versions, swap support, vpn support, other filesystem support... the list goes on.
But you allowed to be happy with your phone. Not everybody needs these things...
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He has a very good point. Where other android device builders seem to be promoting development (Huawei excluded, theyre miser's just like Motorola), this company seems to be more prominent on the restriction of development on their devices.
One very good reason for this is that Motorola has been such a huge phone developer for such a long time, that they have probably let it go to their head. Now instead of saying "our consumers said they need this", they're sayin "we think they really only need this." I've used Motorola phones for about 8 years now, and I would DEFINITELY say someone forgot that their customers put them where their at.
I agree. Someone needs to get out there and give them a taste of Good Customer Service. I dont think restricting dev's is a great marketing idea, or revenue booster anyways. BUt then again, to each, his own.
This is PR.Nothing more.
Know motorola they do not update РСТ(Russian legal)Milestone, they do not
need to unlock this crap bootloader.
According to HTC, Gingerbread upgrade for Incredible S will be on June for Singapore.
"Dear Alexander,
Thank you for contacting HTC.
With reference to your query, Incredible S may receive upgrade to Android 2.3 in June this year.
Thank you for your continuous support of our products and services. Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
We look forward to be of service to you again"
That's pretty slow, my opinion.
Better late than never? LOL
June....I hoping we got the update in April. I guess June is about right. These next 2 months the phone should be out there more in one variation or another in the Canada, the States and some more places overseas.
In my opinion to HTC's reply is earliest is June.
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True ....
If it will be as with the Hero, then the update will be released at Christmas time, at best
This has alreayd been posted before:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1014937
and I'll say what I said there again. Customer services just give a generic date, until HTC make an official announcement, they don't know anymore than we do. I have already seen a couple of leaks of the GB rom floating about (nothing that can be publicly released or flashed due to NDA's) but I can't see any reason for it not being sooner
When it launches as the droid incredible 2 here in the states it will have gingerbread pre-loaded, so there would be no excuse to not have the INCs on GB before that, verizon ad's a ton of crapware to the device and not to mention cdma vs. gsm, we should get gingerbread before the Dinc2, at least I hope so.
I emailed HTC and Virgin Mobile Canada the other day, and they said this,
"Thank you for taking the time to reply. We currently do not have the information available to us. At this time the Incredible S's that are slated to receive the ICS update are the ones in the European regions. You may visit htc.com, twitter.com/htc and facebook.com/htc for update information as it becomes announced."
Virgin Mobile said this,
"You've reached ****** with Virgin Mobile! First, allow me to apologize for the delay in my response. Your patience and understanding are appreciated. I'm happy to escalate your feedback about the Android 4.0 update. I know this is important to you and I'm happy to point you in the right direction.
******, I've escalated your email to ensure it's reviewed. Thank you for taking the time to share your feedback." This could mean that we
IncS users might see an Android 4.0 update! Virgin Mobile is BAD for updating their phones, but as you may already know, HTC has been working their hardest to work with carriers, and as VMC's update stated that they are happy to point me/us in the right direction, and will escalate it to ensure its reviewed!
Edit!: I emailed Virgin again, and they said that they are working very hard to get this update available! NOW im excited!
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Good to hear. I'm with SaskTel which is in a similar vain, and even though I'm installing custom ICS ROMs anyways, it would be nice to see everyone get the update and move to ICS.
Though then, I'd have to stop joking that I'm in the 1%.
I rooted once, but i had to send my phone to get fixed, because it had a charge port malfunction, and they charged $200 to fix it because of the root access, so i am running all stock, which is why i am excited for VM to work out something with HTC
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When I bought the 64GB DE, it was with the expectation it would receive OTA updates directly from HTC. Now it appears, at least one HTC respondent is claiming that because the bootloader is unlocked, it will not be receiving OTA updates. I hope this info is wrong.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc-one/272529-htc-one-aint-getting-no-ota-updates.html
Of course it will. HTC needs this phone to succeed. They wouldn't shoot themselves In the foot like that.
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It will probably just get RUUs instead. It makes no sense to try and support a device with an unlocked bootloader when unlocking the bootloader breaks the system signature.
It should get updates faster than the branded carrier versions. Whether its via OTA or RUU remains to be seen.
MG
Ok, I just got a reply from HTC a few minutes ago:
Thank you for contacting us. Robert, we understand how important this information is for you.
As the developer’s edition of the HTC One has its bootloader unlocked, it will not get the updates OTA (Over the Air). You can manually install it when available with the instructions found at http://www.htcdev.com/.
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader or installing different ROMS (A file which contains a copy of the data from a read-only memory chip) may be covered under warranty. We strongly suggest that you do not perform this process unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved. This is a technical procedure and the side effects could possibly necessitate repairs to your device not covered under warranty.
If further assistance is required, please let me know. As always, it was my pleasure to assist you.
Feel free to visit www.htc.com/ for important information about HTC, or contact us by phone at 1-866-449-8358 between 8am to 1am ET, 7 days a week for your convenience.
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Ok, I just got a reply from HTC a few minutes ago:
Thank you for contacting us. Robert, we understand how important this information is for you.
As the developer’s edition of the HTC One has its bootloader unlocked, it will not get the updates OTA (Over the Air). You can manually install it when available with the instructions found at http://www.htcdev.com/.
It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader or installing different ROMS (A file which contains a copy of the data from a read-only memory chip) may be covered under warranty. We strongly suggest that you do not perform this process unless you are confident that you understand the risks involved. This is a technical procedure and the side effects could possibly necessitate repairs to your device not covered under warranty.
If further assistance is required, please let me know. As always, it was my pleasure to assist you.
Feel free to visit www.htc.com/ for important information about HTC, or contact us by phone at 1-866-449-8358 between 8am to 1am ET, 7 days a week for your convenience.
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That makes no sense at all. They push the responsibility the bootloader being unlocked to the customer. No, it was purchased that way. I'm thinking David doesn't know what the hell he's talking about...
No, he's saying that if you want to get updates, you need to run RUUs. This is far from surprising, people need to get over it.
1. Using a ruu is far from a technical process
2. If you buy a developer edition phone it's implying you will be using it for development purposes.
3. Who still accepts ota downloads
Ok .. how l can download this update ? I can believe there ,, no update for htc one developer edition ! Why ?
That does suck. We too would like our updates.
I have a 64GB DE and I could not care less about OTA on stock rom. By getting the DE and hanging out here, isn't it implied that you would install custom roms? What HTC said that by getting the Dev Edition you'll have to install via RUU - it make perfect sense since if they were to push it out via OTA on multiple carrier's 3G network it would probably require agreement and fees. Just download it when it's ready, or better yet, use a good custom rom. I don't see this as a big deal.
I have no problem with downloading and installing updates from the HTCDev website. My only concern now is the timeliness of the updates. I hope we won't find that major carriers have released updates and we're still waiting for ours. Most of us that bought the DE do indeed plan to install custom roms. I personally wanted to wait a few weeks before doing so, but I guess it really makes no difference.
This is actually idiotic.
Shouldn't HTC give the choice to OTA update or not to the purchasers of the developer edition? You can always turn it off if you don't want it, but not providing it at all is dumb.
I am waiting for my developer edition to arrive. I bought this phone primarily for the good industrial design and in part for the low light camera.
I hope I don't regret it, if updates are few and far between (even the 4.2 update has been delayed and it will be out after 4.3 is already available). HTC better get on the ball, because the ONE is the last chance many consumers will give it.