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Issue: Getting MMS to work without a data plan. **Let's build support!!**

I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.

cephasara said:
I know this has been asked 4082340238923 times probably, but nobody has asked this question exactly the way I want to, nor has anybody really given a technical answer to this isn't possible, which I'd find hard to believe anyway. Why can't MMS messages be sent without the data plan?? Is there some way to route MMS messaging through the same manor that SMS messages are received?
Nearly every other phone I've used didn't require a data plan to send them. I think it is ridiculous, especially when it comes down to dealing with two different technologies/protocols.
With people like Cyanogen, JAC, Drizzy, Stericson, Twisted, Ccyrowski, Barak, and androidspin, development of moded roms has greatly progressed. I'm shocked that this hasn't been brought up and that any solution, even if one that required wifi hasn't been found. I just want to know what we are dealing with here and to possibly build support for this concern in the community.
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MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider

B-man007 said:
MMS is sent through APN's... find the one that sends the mms and disable the rest or talk to your service provider
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Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.

cephasara said:
Ah, I thought APNs were strictly for the data plan. I used APNdroid, which renames all of the APNs. Oddly enough I see one called "T-Mobile US", when I delete the extra characters APNdroid added to make it invalid, not only does MMS work but so does the entire data plan and I'm sure I get charged.
Even if there was a way to enable MMS through the APN's I'd probably get charged for it still.
Also, I can't talk to T-mobile because I'm sure they'll try to stick me on a data plan if they find I don't have one anyway, so I don't see that as an option.
What I'm asking is for a modification that changes the flow of traffic through wifi at least, if not something to get MMS working like it does through other phones with only a messaging/texting plan and no data plan.
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u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)

B-man007 said:
u cant get it through wifi unfortunately (same reason that Visual Voicemail +tmo my account app doesnt work ) because that data is sent only through tmobile's data network. You can try to edit the apn's to only allow the mms messages to go through. i too use apndroid bcz i dont have a data plan, but i dont have mms.
Search online to find out how to edit the APN for mms for tmobile, so only mms comes through.
disable 3g so mms comes only through grps/edge
also, i know the hero roms allow u to turn off mobile data (though i still use apndroid)
dont flash the new spl unless youve flashed the newest radio!!! (just a disclaimer i have to add everytime i mention anything requiring it)
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Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.

cephasara said:
Well see, I haven't been able to find the correct APN setting to allow only MMS to go through. There use to be a way as mentioned by the user "dave" on this site, but T-mobile blocked it awhile ago: http://inportb.com/2008/12/29/using-a-g1-without-a-data-plan/#comment-436
So if I flashed to a Hero rom I should have support for both SMS and MMS without a data plan because Hero roms have an option to shut off the data connection?
What if I unlocked my phone and connected to an AT&T network using an AT&T APN, could I get MMS that way?
Sorry for my ignorance on any of these technicalities. I haven't seen any conclusion come to this issue, anywhere on the internet, in every android community I've been to so I want to find at least a feasible conclusion to this.
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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2

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i dont know if it would work. i dont have a data plan nor mms. i dont see why i wouldnt work though. maybe someone will provide additional input
if you have tmobile, connecting to an ATT apn won't do you any good. the reason it has to be sent by tmobile is because its tmobiles data. att cannot access your MMS. The mms isnt sent through the regular internet, it is ONLY over mobile internet. there isnt anyway to find them online and have them downloaded. its like a phone call. you can't just find it online, its only on the carriers airwaves
EDIT: Try what dave said but with these settings
http://support.t-mobile.com/doc/tm2...ex=4&navtypeid=6&pagetypeid=7&prevPageIndex=2
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Well I tried that, and MMS worked but so did the rest of the internet. That's the problem--MMS will work but so does the internet, so I can't help think that I'm going to get charged for that. So does that mean I was connected to the mobile internet or the data plan? I'm confused with entering that data, This is what I did:
APN: wap.voicestream.com
Server: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc
MMS proxy: 216.155.165.050
MCC: 310
MNC: 260
Is there a way somebody could create an application to help with this?? Maybe make a driver or whatever it would be called for WiFi to be used as an APN. I don't know, something to remedy this. Please! Thanks greatly for your help already, B-man.

@cephasara
do you have the data plan?

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
@cephasara
do you have the data plan?
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No I don't. And probably connecting to the data network for short intervals like I am probably isn't a good idea, since I assume data usage adds up real quickly of which I'll get charged for.

well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
well i dont see how you would get charged since you didnt sign up for the data package,
can you tell me which rom you are using and the settings your using
thanks
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Well I thought if you didn't have a data plan then you get charged by the megabyte. Am I wrong? Is there any way I can check without having T-mobile pushing one on me if I call them since it is suppose to be required?
And my settings are as described in my second to last post, I can use the default "T-mobile US" settings too which I think only varies by the "MMS port" which is 8080.
Originally I put my dad's SIM card in my phone to setup Android and he has the data plan. We're on a family plan. Maybe coming from a SIM with the data plan caused mine to glitch up, I really don't know.

you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go

xP1GxB3N1Sx said:
you could check your tmobile account online
are you on cupcake 1.5, cyanogens, jacxrom ?
and if you do get to check your tmobile account online and there is no change
price wise then you should be good to go
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Oh sorry, I'm using CyanogenMod v4.0.2
Well I just checked my account information and it says nothing about a data plan yet I'm able to connect to the internet just by the mentioned settings I used. When I click under "Billing & Payments" then click "Data" I get "There is no data use for this line.", so I guess I'm getting the data plan for free..
Still I would like to know how to send pictures without the data plan because I doubt this will last forever. And for whoever else may want MMS without having a data plan.

Well after learning a little more about this I figured out that I was obviously getting the data plan for free. I think T-Mobile was upgrading to 3G in my area or who knows why I had it free for that time, but since then it has stopped working.
I am still interested to know if anybody has luck with MMS without a data plan. I haven't been able to get MMS since the data plan stopped for me. And I'm starting to believe that Android pushes MMS through that data connection, so there would be no APN setting that would allow this to work right. But that is just my own rationalizing from experience, because the APN settings I had when I had that data network worked fine, and MMS messages were sent and received. Even after leaving them the same I am in able to send and receive MMS, but that's just my two cents back by own my trial and error, so anybody with actual logic of this situation, please, go ahead and let me know any more information about this!

How to get MMS to work on Tmobile USA

I've read many other posts about this and have tried many things but i still can't get MMS to work on my tilt on the Tmobile network. Does anyone have an AT&T Tilt with working MMS that they are using on Tmobile. Could you tell me what all your connection settings are. Thanks.

Go to Tmobile web site, there is instruction how to set it up

Seriously there was a thread about this just a couple of days ago.
geez
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=566675

I've already looked at this thread. The tmobile data reconfigurer doesn't work. Can someone who has working mms just copy down all their connection settings. Thanks

I've seen that thread and i've tried the tmobile data configurer, nothing works. Can someone with working mms just copy down all there connection settings. Thanks

I just use this cab which I made myself, and it works fine! Hope this helps..

nope, that didn't work. I've got it to receive the message but when its downloading the picture it never goes about 0% and eventually it says gateway timeout.

what rom r u running? I'm thinking maybe you have some AT&T medianet settings creating issues.

Do you have data on your plan?

MMS apn settings

Ok so I had to do a factory reset on my nexus for an unrelated reason. I am on the web2go data plan and I had my apn settings for data and another for mms. Everything was working fine until I did the reset. I entered the same settings and now I cant send or receive any mms's. Here are my settings for my mms:
Name: T-Mobile US-MMS
APN: epc.tmobile.com
APN type: mms
Everything else is set to default. This kinda sucks because some long text messages that I send or receive are converted to mms. So any help on how to get my mms back. I would feel cheated having a superphone with no mms *cough iphone <3.0 cough*

I had a stock Nexus One ROM and then flashed the Desire one... since I've flashed my MMS has not been working either... and I definitely have the correct APN settings, I've tripple checked it!

Problem solved. I forgot to put default as apn type for data access.
Above do you have the same settings above as mine? Also did you try reboot? Was mms fine before you flashed rom?

My settings are different as I'm using Vodafone NZ but I've looked up the information and I'm 100% sure I've got it correct... Are you saying your MMS didn't work until you changed the APN type for your data APN to default??
And yeah I was able to PXT and 3G when I first got my Nexus One, after I flashed the Desire ROM I lost 3G and PXT... When I set the correct APN I managed to get 3G working but still no MMS

I am having the same issues on tmobile us. I can not get the pictures to download. Before I had some settings wrong, after fixing them I do not get the error anymore, but I do not get to download the message. Anyone have any ideas or solutions yet??? I am using Modaco Aplha 19

I am having the same issues on tmobile us. I can not get the pictures to download. Before I had some settings wrong, after fixing them I do not get the error anymore, but I do not get to download the message. Anyone have any ideas or solutions yet??? I am using Modaco Aplha 19

What about sending MMS? If I try to send an MMS it just sits there loading forever and never sends (This is using handcent) and when I try to download an image it just says downloading forever... :/
I'm relieved to hear someone else has a similar issue on Alpha 19.. Means its more likely to be a software issue and not something to do with my provider !

guys - you'll probably get more help if you search/post your issue in the MoDaCo Alpha 19 thread vs. starting a new one. this - unfortunately - is a common issue with this version of the ROM. it seems to be an inconsistent issue as well; sometimes i can send/receive without a problem other times i can't.

Vodafone, Nexus One and SMS/MMS (PXT)
LevitateJay said:
My settings are different as I'm using Vodafone NZ but I've looked up the information and I'm 100% sure I've got it correct... Are you saying your MMS didn't work until you changed the APN type for your data APN to default??
And yeah I was able to PXT and 3G when I first got my Nexus One, after I flashed the Desire ROM I lost 3G and PXT... When I set the correct APN I managed to get 3G working but still no MMS
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Given the problems experienced by Vodafone users with HTC mobiles, I have posted my solution to this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=901491

[Q] Straight Talk APN settings for Note 3 and AT&T LTE?

What APN settings are people using with the AT&T branded Note 3 on Straight Talk? I just bought a new AT&T micro sim from Straight Talk that supposedly allows LTE to work. Please let me know the least restrictive APN settings that works for both LTE and MMS

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What APN settings are people using with the AT&T branded Note 3 on Straight Talk? I just bought a new AT&T micro sim from Straight Talk that supposedly allows LTE to work. Please let me know the least restrictive APN settings that works for both LTE and MMS
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My LTE was good on the first day 17mbps dl... now its slow under 2mbs several test...wtf? We need some good apn settings help?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using xda app-developers app

I'm getting about 18 down on Straight Talk LTE in SLC. For some reason it's consistently 8 Mbs faster than my LTE LG E980 G Pro.
My settings screen shots are attached...
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Those appear to be the stock ST settings from the ST website. I am unable to send/receive MMS with those settings. I have tried about a dozen other settings from users who are able to MMS, but none work for me.
I called ST and spoke to three escalating levels of tech support managers over a 58 minute call. None of them were able to help, although one told me my account settings were wrong on their end. The last one told me that they do not guarantee MMS service, and I would only get it if I was near one of their (Straight Talk) towers. I was unaware that they had their own towers. She also told me the N3 does not have the capability to MMS, and that I need a "more advanced" device.
With the HUGE number of N3 users having MMS problems on ST, I am beginning to think ST is limiting MMS to conserve band width. I actually lost the ability to send/receive MMS about 3 weeks before I purchased my N3 while I was still on my N1. That's why I think it is ST. Just my opinion though.
kraz

krazman325 said:
Those appear to be the stock ST settings from the ST website. I am unable to send/receive MMS with those settings. I have tried about a dozen other settings from users who are able to MMS, but none work for me.
I called ST and spoke to three escalating levels of tech support managers over a 58 minute call. None of them were able to help, although one told me my account settings were wrong on their end. The last one told me that they do not guarantee MMS service, and I would only get it if I was near one of their (Straight Talk) towers. I was unaware that they had their own towers. She also told me the N3 does not have the capability to MMS, and that I need a "more advanced" device.
With the HUGE number of N3 users having MMS problems on ST, I am beginning to think ST is limiting MMS to conserve band width. I actually lost the ability to send/receive MMS about 3 weeks before I purchased my N3 while I was still on my N1. That's why I think it is ST. Just my opinion though.
kraz
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I haven't even tried MMS on my Note 3 yet. So many of the people I communicate with are on Hangouts or FB Messenger I rarely use text anymore. I'll have my old lady send me a MMS text and see what happens. Hopefully MMS issues will be cleared up if Google hopefully integrates Hangouts and MMS here *soon*.
MMS worked on my Note 2 and LG G Pro. I didn't switch to the new tfdata apn sim till about 2 months ago when they launched the LTE service. I have received MMS on my G Pro with that newer SIM.

aygriffith said:
I haven't even tried MMS on my Note 3 yet. So many of the people I communicate with are on Hangouts or FB Messenger I rarely use text anymore. I'll have my old lady send me a MMS text and see what happens. Hopefully MMS issues will be cleared up if Google hopefully integrates Hangouts and MMS here *soon*.
MMS worked on my Note 2 and LG G Pro. I didn't switch to the new tfdata apn sim till about 2 months ago when they launched the LTE service. I have received MMS on my G Pro with that newer SIM.
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I've tried a ton of different APN settings I've found on the internet. Nothing has fixed/enabled downloading of MMS.
Everything else works though... I can send MMS and download speeds are great.. just can't download MMS no matter what. The old HSPA sim card worked perfectly though, but I'm not giving up LTE for MMS.
I've tried calling Straight Talk and nothing has helped, they basically told me the device I have isn't guaranteed to get all the features and that it may be my phone that has the problem.

Try leaving the proxy blank. I did this and it seems to be working fine.
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enigma2446 said:
Try leaving the proxy blank. I did this and it seems to be working fine.
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Thanks for this suggestion, but....it did nothing to help my lack of mms-ability. I really think ST or att is blocking us as this lack of mms started for me about a month before I got my N3. That correlates with a new att 4g tower installation in my small rural town. Prior to that we were on 2g and I was able to SLOWLY send/receive mms. After the new tower...nothing.
Sms works with all the different apn settings I have tried including this one suggested by enigma2446. Sms even works with the stock att apn while using my ST sim card!
kraz

krazman325 said:
Thanks for this suggestion, but....it did nothing to help my lack of mms-ability. I really think ST or att is blocking us as this lack of mms started for me about a month before I got my N3. That correlates with a new att 4g tower installation in my small rural town. Prior to that we were on 2g and I was able to SLOWLY send/receive mms. After the new tower...nothing.
Sms works with all the different apn settings I have tried including this one suggested by enigma2446. Sms even works with the stock att apn while using my ST sim card!
kraz
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What do you have in the mms proxy?
Try putting in this 66.209.11.33 or 66.209.11.34
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mms3.tracfone.com
I've tried both of the 66.209..... before and neither worked for me. It makes no difference what I put in, no mms. It just stopped suddenly the day my N1 went from a 2g to a 4g signal. ST tells me both the N1 and N3 are not mms capable. That's bs as my N1 sent/received mms prior to that signal change. Its not my N3. Its att and ST!
kraz
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Ok try
If data or MMS don't work try using 216.155.165.40 in the proxy and MMS proxy fields
Also here is some troubleshooting brain fuel
http://www.prepaidphonenews.com/2012/09/how-to-setup-straight-talk-data-and-mms.html?m=1
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Also under network mode in mobile data what is it set to..... gsm/wcdma?
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This is what worked for me before I left Straight Talk.
Name: straight talk
APN: att.mvno
Mmsc:mms-tf.net
Proxy:mms3.tracfone.com
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I've been google searching this for 3 weeks. 216.155.165.40 didn't fix things. I don't have [email protected]/wcdma setting option under mobile data. Only an on or off checkbox for mobile data. In the *#*# settings it is set for LTE/GSM. I have seen screenshots of the mobile data settings and thought it strange I don't have that option.
Thanks for all of your help!
kraz
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I FIXED IT!!! I unfroze stock Messaging app and sent mms with it instead of Handcent. I can send and receive mms now, but I have to send through Messaging only. I can receive through both. I don't understand why. I'm just happy it works. Using ST stock APN settings.
kraz
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Straight Talk MMS Solution (WORKS FOR ME)
Okay...I feel like a dumba$$ posting this. But if it helps someone else then I won't be as embarrassed
First, the solution: If you are using any messaging app other than the stock apk, make sure you enter the MMSC, MMS Proxy, MMS Port settings WITHIN THE APP YOU USE.
Now, My excuse: I have used Handcent SMS for several years in multiple devices (Dell Streak 5, SG Note (1), and this SG Note 3. The Note 3 is the only device that did not automatically use the device APN settings for sending MMS. I never had any trouble until the last month on my N1. That was about the time att upgraded its towers in my town, and when I updated the Handcent apk to Handcent 5. From that point on, I have been unable to send or receive MMS. I have spent countless hours trying different APN settings and searching for solutions. Two days ago, I discovered that I could send MMS from the native Messaging app (I froze the native apk immediately after rooting my N3 without trying it first), but not from any other app (Textra, Chomp, Handcent, 8sms.....). Today, I re-installed Handcent and went through every setting. I entered the MMS settings WITHIN Handcent and gave it a try. IT WORKED!!! I also tried it with 8sms and was successful. I then re-froze the native apk and the other messaging apps still work!
I have never been able to send/receive mms this quickly. As I said in the title, FOR ME, this solves my mms problems completely. I wish I would have gone through ALL of the Handcent settings from the beginning. I know...STUPID!!!
kraz

Thanks for the update krazman. I am having few issues with my N3 APN settings, 4G is not working properly. Can you please share what APNs you are currently using? maybe few screenshots?
Much thanks in advance!

I am using the stock Straight Talk apn settings from the ST website. I never had internet problems. Only messaging app problems. Are you in the USA and on Straight Talk? If Yes, see the ST website. If No, the ST settings will create further problems for you.
kraz
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Perfect. I just updated my setting with the following from ST's website for Galaxy Phones. Works flawless so far.
APN Settings
FIELD SETTINGS
NAME STRAIGHT_TALK
APN att.mvno
MMSC (i get blocked by xda, please see ST site for this one)
MMS PROXY 66.209.11.33
MMS PORT 80
MMS_APN att.mvno

A co-worker just picked up a Note3 (off contract) and grabbed a ST sim. All I did was use the ST APN that I had in my Note 2. Working great and slamming 4G. Didn't need to adjust the proxy settings. Just throwing this out there...

So you guys are getting LTE with the att.mvno APN? These are with new SIM's labeled for LTE. My LTE sim won't even work unless it's on tfdata. Interesting.
How fast is it? Most people on the tfdata APN are getting sub 20 down. In the same area people on a GoPhone sim will get 30+.
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Can't Send MMS With wifi On

Just picked up a H811 to replace my H851 and am having MMS issues. Could not send or receive MMS and thought it was an APN issue as I'm on ATT. Finally figured out it's only happen if wifi is connected. If it's off MMS is fine. Of course I've tried pretty mush all the different APNs and most of the stock and modified stock ROMs on XDA and all are the same. Anyone have a clue?

rzracer2 said:
Just picked up a H811 to replace my H851 and am having MMS issues. Could not send or receive MMS and thought it was an APN issue as I'm on ATT. Finally figured out it's only happen if wifi is connected. If it's off MMS is fine. Of course I've tried pretty mush all the different APNs and most of the stock and modified stock ROMs on XDA and all are the same. Anyone have a clue?
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As far as I know you need to be connected to mobile data to send MMS messages.

Vseprz said:
As far as I know you need to be connected to mobile data to send MMS messages.
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Yes that seems to be the issue, when wifi is connected it's blocking the cellular data connection so MMS can't send or receive. Not extremely happy with the performance as the only game I play is Flappy Bird and it seems laggy, even on the debloated ROMS and different Kernals. Had a Nexus 5X with the same CPU and no issue. Probably just return this phone but will miss the LG UI