How can i check if my phone is using dual core?? I tryed to use benchmark after update to V10c and i think its a little slow, when i start to download/intall an app i get some lag while changing screens.
Running Quadrant Standard, in system information it shows me:
CPU: ArmV7
Cores: 1
Hardware: Tegra 2
Not sure, but from what I've read Quadrant isn't dual core optimized yet, so it won't probably show both cores. Try Neocore instead, it uses both cores.
tommije said:
Not sure, but from what I've read Quadrant isn't dual core optimized yet, so it won't probably show both cores. Try Neocore instead, it uses both cores.
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Not quadrant, android, since only 3.x is optimized for honeycomb... I believe that 2.4 ice cream will have total multicore support
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I'm pretty sure Android is using both cores... it just needs to run programs that take advantage of it...
I'm not saying android is not using both cores, it is, I'm saying its not optimized for, yes there are applications where dual cores/multi thread is enabled and optimized but the OS it self is not.
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The Droid2/X use the same graphic processor as Droid 1, which is PowerVR SGX 530. According to the datasheet, this core is designed to run at 200Mhz with power of rendering 14M triangles/sec. But our Droid/Milestone runs underclocked at 110Mhz(7M tri/s) while D2/X at 200Mhz. That leads to major UI responsiveness&gaming difference between D2&D1.
I wonder if there's any possibility to overclock the GPU as well?
Thanks in advance.
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The Droid2/X use the same graphic processor as Droid 1, which is PowerVR SGX 530. According to the datasheet, this core is designed to run at 200Mhz with power of rendering 14M triangles/sec. But our Droid/Milestone runs underclocked at 110Mhz(7M tri/s) while D2/X at 200Mhz. That leads to major UI responsiveness&gaming difference between D2&D1.
I wonder if there's any possibility to overclock the GPU as well?
Thanks in advance.
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As far as I know this has been tried (overclocking), but with no results (constant reboots)
Imagination Technologies (PowerVR) defines the GPU internals and sells the "plans" for the part, to be included in SOCs like TI's OMAP.
But PowerVR does not, however, define the exact clocks at which the parts should run, nor other things like number of memory channels, memory speed, etc.
Texas Instruments are the ones who defined the GPU clocks. The OMAP 34xx chips (Droid 1, Milestone, XT720, Flipout, etc) are made using 65nm process, and that determines a certain power consumption using certain clocks, hence why they defined a ~100MHz clock for the GPU and ~600-800MHz for the CPU.
The OMAP 36xx (Droid X, Droid 2, Defy, etc) are made using a newer, smaller 45nm process, which allows them to run at higher speeds while spending approx. the same power, which is why Texas Instruments decided to clock the GPU at ~200MHz and the CPU at ~1-1.2GHz.
So it's not like the Milestones and Droids have their GPUs underclocked, those are just their factory clocks.
Of course, overclocking the GPU would be nice and it could be possible. If someone found out how to change the GPU's voltage and clocks, I'm sure it could come in handy in future games.
However, right now, the 1st gen Milestones/Droids are running every high-end HD game from gameloft at full speed, and I bet it'll even do Infinity Blade and other UE3 games when they're out for Android.
Every "HD" Android game has to be compatible with the 1st-gen Snapdragon's GPU, the Adreno 200, which is a lot slower than the SGX530 @ 100MHz, so we're sitting confortably above the base spec for now. And with all the Windows Mobile 7 phones coming with a 1st-gen Snapdragon (mandatory requirement), it'll be like this for a while.
So there's really not a big need for overclocking the GPU right now, except for getting higher scores in mobile benchmarks (some of them terribly unoptimized, like GLBenchmark 1.1 and 2.0).
Furthermore, I it seems the first factor to limit the 1st-gen Droids in games will be the RAM amount.
The first UE3-based game for Android is already out, and it requires 512MB of RAM.
So the game runs on Nexus One and not on a Droid/Milestone, which has far superior graphics performance.
(I'm pretty sure this has something to do with the fact that Android doesn't allow graphics buffering in the main memory, though, which could be resolved in future firmware revisions).
Then again, overclocking the GPU would be cool, and I'm pretty sure getting our SGX530 to work @ ~200MHz would significantly increase the gaming longevity of our phones for quite a while.
Thanks for your useful and important reply.
"The Manhattan Project" on Galaxy S Series just made me curious about Droid's gpu oc, because SGS also use a PowerVR gpu. But things isn't easy due to a fact that one is made by TI while another is made by samsung, the structure inside both SoCs may be completely different.
But I still hope someone capable would try something on this.
That's really cool and significantly lengthen the lifetime of our Droid and Milestone.
Thx again for your reply!
PS: I also felt strange why the UI(not games) on N1 is faster than an OCed droid, could it be the optimization problem?
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PS: I also felt strange why the UI(not games) on N1 is faster than an OCed droid, could it be the optimization problem?
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Definitely part of the optimization --a fast ROM with a good theme like the Droid X theme on the GOT 2.2.1 ROM has as fast a GUI as I've encountered on Android, even without overclock.
Also take in consideration that all the current 2.1 and 2.2 roms have a cap of 30fps in 2D, perhaps when the final 2.2 update arrives there will be some perfomance gain
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So I just watch that honey comb video and they said its o optimized to use dual core processor. But all these tegra two phones only running froyo .
So does out means there its no point of getting these phones untill honeycomb for phones comes out .
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So I just watch that honey comb video and they said its o optimized to use dual core processor. But all these tegra two phones only running froyo .
So does out means there its no point of getting these phones untill honeycomb for phones comes out .
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Even if froyo is not optimized for dual-core you will still have an advantage with dual-core, just look at some benchmarks and you will see that the tegra2 will score much better than ordinary singel-core at same speed, so no need to wait.
But the performance will be even better when the device is runing honeycomb.
real world performance is we actually need here.not just some benchmark numbers. Mytouch 4g overclock to 1.4ghz can beat those numbers easily.
So why spend soo much money on first generation 2x processors.
Just saying.
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real world performance is we actually need here.not just some benchmark numbers. Mytouch 4g overclock to 1.4ghz can beat those numbers easily.
So why spend soo much money on first generation 2x processors.
Just saying.
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With that opinion why even ask the Q you did?
Compare only stock to stock and OC to OC my friend..
As far as I know multi-core-support is included since 1.6. This means that if an application uses multiple threads u get a performance gain up to 100%. So Froyo is sufficent in that case.
Hower, newer android version bring additional optimizations to speed things up on multi-core-devices to tha tabble (especialy for application that either only use one thread or can't max out all cores). In 2.3 it is a multithreaded filesystem, in 3.0 it is the dalvlik-layer for executing java-based apps.
Anandtech just completed their review of the 2X and they show that Android does in fact know that you are using a dual core processor. The results seem to be especially noticeable in the browser (which is great news for me as i surf a lot on my htc hero and this is always a pain!).
Having said that, Honeycomb (and whatever it's phone counterpart will be) will put further emphasis on dual core tegra2 use.
As for real world in app differences... it's going to be like froyo install to sd.... this is something that developers need to do.. android can't force any one app to use multi-cores.. the app needs to be coded to take advantage of it.
This phone is kinda marketed to people who want to future proof themselves. So while real world experience may not differ currently with single core processors, it will change once android start's using both cores, well as two cores, instead of one core and a maid.
So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
shadowclock said:
So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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That's because they're the same graphics chip.
I'm guessing the OMAP can hit 1.5 or higher, similar to the Tegra. The old OMAP3430s in the OG Droid were stable at 1-1.1GHz, so I'd say a 4-500GHz overclock is easily achievable, but no one has tested it yet on the new OMAP4s, so who knows for now.
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That's because they're the same graphics chip.
I'm guessing the OMAP can hit 1.5 or higher, similar to the Tegra. The old OMAP3430s in the OG Droid were stable at 1-1.1GHz, so I'd say a 4-500GHz overclock is easily achievable, but no one has tested it yet on the new OMAP4s, so who knows for now.
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I think the OMAP just killed it for me....I want a better graphics processor....I may upgrade to DX2 now and the rumored Droid Prime (Nexus) later.
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I think the OMAP just killed it for me....I want a better graphics processor....I may upgrade to DX2 now and the rumored Droid Prime (Nexus) later.
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That is ironic - part of the reason they went with OMAP instead of tegra was due to performance (do a quick google search for some tegra bionic vs. omap bionic bench marks)
*All-Around* the OMAP4430 is a better chip than the Tegra 2. The GeForce in the Tegra doesn't perform as well in real-world scenarios compared to an SGX540 on an OMAP4. You'll still get higher real-world performance on an OMAP4430 compared to both the Hummingbird in the GSI and the Tegra 2.
Its a shame they are not using gpus similar in power to those in the galaxy s 2.
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So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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Remember the Bionic is pushing quite a few more pixels in the benchmark than the Galaxy. 960x540 vs 800x480
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So, I went to the store and just now realized it has an OMAP dual core. I know the Tegra2 can reach 1.5 easily enough....do we know anything about how well this OMAP can overclock?
I ran a quick quadrant for the Bionic in store and honestly wasn't too happy with the graphics side of the benchmark. It was running on the same level as my wife's Galaxy 1
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The Galaxy S's SGX540 is clocked at 200mhz. In the OMAP4, it is clocked at 304mhz. In theory, even though it has to push more pixels, it will outperform it. And if you run a real GPU benchmark, like An3Dbench XL, the OMAP4 performs far better than the Tegra 2. The planets test in Quadrant glitch because of Moto's drivers-the Tegra 2 in the DX2 uses proprietary drivers from NVIDIA. And in terms of CPU performance, the OMAP4 performs considerably better. The OMAP4 has NEON instruction sets that the Tegra 2 lacks. And the Tegra 2 has trouble playing certain types of video files(it can't decode/encode h.264 videos or something), while the OMAP is able to.
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Remember the Bionic is pushing quite a few more pixels in the benchmark than the Galaxy. 960x540 vs 800x480
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It doesn't look like much of a difference, but QHD is 35% more pixels to keep up with. That's significant.
So,
My friend (Simon), recently acquired a Dell Precision Series computer/micro server tower.
Inside, it has 2 Intel® Xeon® X5472 quad-core processors running at 3.00ghz
My other friend (Josh) said to Simon, in his apparent jealousy, that even though Simon essentially has 8 cores, they are %&$# because they are VIRTUAL cores and not physical cores.
I scouted the Intel website and found this model processor and clearly states that within each processor, "Number of cores: 4. Number of threads: 4"
I am not familiar with threads but I am aware that hyper-threading is essentially creating virtual cores.
So the question is:
Is he using 8 virtual cores or merely 8 physical cores
If you can answer this, could you please tell me your reasoning if you have one?
Thanks =)
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8 physical cores or merely 8 virtual cores*****
This is a thread
assuming he is running windows 7....
click start, right there above where you clicked... there is a search box... type "dxdiag" and hit enter.
this will bring up a window listing all your hardware in detail.
i have an i5, dual core (which is actually a quad core with 4 logical processors) so under my "processor" description, it reads "M540 @ 2.53 Ghz (4 CPUs) ~2.5 Ghz."
running this program will tell you exactly what hardware he has. sounds like a dual quad core to me, though.
hope that helps.
you can also, type "msconfig" in that same window... then click the "boot" tab, then "advanced options" and on the top right you will see a window listing how many processor you have available to you.
hope that helps
His says:
Intel(R ) Xeon( R)
CPU X5472 @ 3. 00GHz (8 CPU's), ~3GHz
8 physical cores or only virtual?
Sorry =\
And thanks for the responses...
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His says:
Intel(R ) Xeon( R)
CPU X5472 @ 3. 00GHz (8 CPU's), ~3GHz
8 physical cores or only virtual?
Sorry =\
And thanks for the responses...
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I'm pretty sure that's a 4 physical core processor.
sure is. that is a dual processor, quad core processor set up, my friend.
http://ark.intel.com/products/34447/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5472-(12M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1600-MHz-FSB)
Says here its a quad core
Each Xeon has 4 physical cores inside. A dual processor setup in this case means 8 actual cores. A better question will be whether your friend has applications that can make use of said number of cores.
The most number of cores is 6 , which is the Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition Q----- (something) , in which it has 6 cores 12 threads (as said by the Intel site)
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http://ark.intel.com/products/34447/Intel-Xeon-Processor-X5472-(12M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1600-MHz-FSB)
Four physical cores per processor. No Hyperthreading.
Two processors..
4x2=8
Thanks everyone =D
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It is possible to set x8 cpu to 1000 Mhz? I have read that yes. So how?
NO WAY.......!
Impossible
This is impossible... well.. Without melting the CPU or burning your phone... to death...
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This is because the X8 have a ArmV6 processor... which seems to have a max of 864mhz clock speed... and IDK people that can run at that clock...
ArmV7 can be overclocked to 1GHz thought...
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[/COLOR]This is because the X8 have a ArmV6 processor... which seems to have a max of 864mhz clock speed... and IDK people that can run at that clock...
ArmV7 can be overclocked to 1GHz thought...
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The processor architecture is not related to its speed.
Just because it's an ARMv6 it doesn't mean its maximum speed is 8xx Mhz.. You can have ARMv6 chips running at 2Ghz if they were made to run at those speeds..
The one on our phones starts failing at 8xx Mhz, and that also depends on the silicon quality of the chip you got..
About ARMv7.. You have chips on the market running way above 1Ghz
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yes, I've tried that by mistake ......I've got endless FC to the point that I cant use my phone... So I re flashed my my rom again....
That is way pushing more to what your device can do.
I suggest you wouldnt try if you still want your x8 alive.
Well, the hardware doesn't support it
Our phone is stable at 600 MHz
But support at least 825
There are limits,only a dual core phone could run that frequency without exploding....
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Well, the hardware doesn't support it
Our phone is stable at 600 MHz
But support at least 825
There are limits,only a dual core phone could run that frequency without exploding....
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arm7 CPUs can [email protected] 1ghz and most of single cores can even go up [email protected] 1.5ghz
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faraz_fireboy said:
army CPUs can [email protected] 1ghz and most of single cores can even go up [email protected] 1.5ghz
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army grade (or military grade) products are a tad different including material and producting quality. But most of them are easyli replaceable as well...
Or if you ment arm cpu-s, well that could be done. If you can add quality cooling, plus voltage, a bit different architecture (which is at producting) they can. There are x86 CPU-s that can run at 4-5 GHz overclocked when they are stable at 3 Ghz. But they are cooled quite heavily and not to mention overvolted.
Our CPU-s manufatcure and basic, the design and required materials are for 600Mhz (with engeneering offset of 1.2 maybe) If the material quality and the casing is good, they can be overclocked with the "default" options (such as heat transfer -cooling-, voltage and current).
I can belive that the cpu of our phone can reach 1 Ghz, but not in our phone and not in manufacturer default settings.
Ken-Shi_Kun said:
army grade (or military grade) products are a tad different including material and producting quality. But most of them are easyli replaceable as well...
Or if you ment arm cpu-s, well that could be done. If you can add quality cooling, plus voltage, a bit different architecture (which is at producting) they can. There are x86 CPU-s that can run at 4-5 GHz overclocked when they are stable at 3 Ghz. But they are cooled quite heavily and not to mention overvolted.
Our CPU-s manufatcure and basic, the design and required materials are for 600Mhz (with engeneering offset of 1.2 maybe) If the material quality and the casing is good, they can be overclocked with the "default" options (such as heat transfer -cooling-, voltage and current).
I can belive that the cpu of our phone can reach 1 Ghz, but not in our phone and not in manufacturer default settings.
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Tnx for the post but
it was a writing mistake of go keyboard...I meant to say arm7 instead of Army...
Really sorry about that
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Yes it can reach 1ghz maybe but just in laboratory conditions and in control of experts...
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Yes it can reach 1ghz maybe but just in laboratory conditions and in control of experts...
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Yup.. With proper voltage and heat dissipation it would be possible.
To everyone saying that if you do an extreme overclock, the cpu will burn, get on fire, melt the pcb, explode.. Please stop watching scifi movies. If the frequency is too high, it will just freeze or not turn on at all.. No harm will be done. The only thing that can harm it is by giving it more voltage, but even that won't leave any physical marks.
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arm7 CPUs can [email protected] 1ghz and most of single cores can even go up [email protected] 1.5ghz
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I read thar xperia mini/pro/active/live/ray's cpu can be overclocked from 1ghz to 2ghz
I have a real proof that armv6 can go above 1ghz.I could do that on my previous phone,samsung galaxy 3.
Galaxy 3 has samsungs processor clocked on 667 mhz.and when I flashed my custom rom I was suprised when I could overclock it to 1400mhz.yes,I said 1.4 ghz.and I thought that ill have reboots,freezes,and that the phone wil overheat and such...but no.pure speed.temperature was around 28 degrees.
How much you can overclock is mostly in cpu company.and in our case,quallcom is one of the worst.it may could be overclocked to 1ghz,but it would need much hardware hacking.
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Just asking....
Do anyone think it was posibble to change the cpu from armv6 to armv7 on X8
well i am new here.......
BeeWare said:
Do anyone think it was posibble to change the cpu from armv6 to armv7 on X8
well i am new here.......
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no
impossible
its impossible you can never set 1ghz or more:crying:
you can but it won't be stable. period.
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you can but it won't be stable. period.
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unstable....overheating melting destruction of connectors...........lol
I think u can do it by super cooling, and have to hack the system. But it would be better if u buy a dual core phone
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