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Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?

Personally I hope not......

wonder how many recounts they do this time around ?
and maybe a trail ?
read about there being very many activists trying to keep people from voting this time
flyers saying the election had been moved to the day after
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people comming round to peoples doors saying that the election place they were to go to had been shutdown and they could just write their vote in and give it to them
pretty crazy well suppose some people care more about who win then the democratic process

I'm sure there are some.
The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.

Jupiter said:
Did any Americans on this forum vote for the bush?
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Statistically, one out of two.
Not sure your question is really inocent though :roll:
I think you like hot & touchy thread

The fact that the rest of the world was hoping Kerry would win, has little influence to the us-citizens. Like we should care what America thinks of who we should vote for.
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yeah it could even have the opposite effect a lot of people would get stubbern and do the opposite then what some snotnosed rest of the world person would advice
I just hope that this victory, doesn't give Bush a carte-blanche on his foreign policy. The fact that he no longer has to worry about getting re-elected won't help his diplomatic powers. He also doesn't have to care anymore about men coming home in body bags. These men believing they fought for freedom, democracy and the glory of the US, but in fact only went to defend the intrest of some multinationals.
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but how that he dont have to worry about reelection he may begin to worry about how he looks in the history books and be less confrontational agenst the rest of the world when it comes to deplomatics
here a big news papir had a pole
32000 people voted
kerry got 79%
nater got 8%
nobody got 7%
bush got 6%
so one might say that if that pole had been reality bush lost to nobody

Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,

paulmc
imho then kerry was less religous in his motivs when it came to politics thinking stemcell research and giving gay people the rights of marriage in some form or another
imho then kerry was less likely to offend and alienate allies and other countries in the world
imho then kerry would not have a prison camp on cuba where the internaitiol laws conserning prisoners of war were not enforced
maybe the kerry administation would have had less % of people being investergated for insider deals and corruption
and finaly then imho then it keeps a better balance if the house of rep
and the senetors and president is not in the hands of a single party
it's more moderated
just a few things i could come up with on the top of my head
of cause there are surely people who differ in openion

Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words
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Who said I wanted Kerry to be elected. Its a case of Predator vs Alien. Whoever wins, we lose!

Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?

Jupiter said:
Not sure your question is really inocent though
I think you like hot & touchy thread
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Who, me?
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Yes

paulmc said:
Guys,
Please give me 5 specific reason why Kerry should have been elected, concrete issues/reasons, not just buzz words.
Thanks,
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I'll give you my personal opinion, conceptual more than practical as I do not live in the US, nor be concerned with elements such as "he voted that" or "he said this".
I think Bush is a dangerous religious totalitarist. I have no reason to vote for Kerry, but plenty to wish that Bush be moved aside from active international politics.
To me this man should not be re-elected as he should be forced into in LaHaye and charged with the 5 following elements against him:
1. Invading a sovereign country in complete violation of all international law, without UN approval, under very suspicious reasons, obviously telling lies about AMD and supposed connection with Ben Ladden
2. When forced to admit the is no connection between Sadam Hussein, Ben Ladden and AMD, thus no reason to invade this country, not even admitting he was wrong or worst, he got cheated or even worse of all, he deliberately lied to his people, to the nations concerned and to the rest of the world.
3. Establishing concentration camp for Afghanistan prisoners in complete violation of international law, and principles, and international treaty without having those prisoners charged of anything, and allowing no international control of what is happening in this camp
4. Sending his army to perpetuated atrocity and humiliation to irakee prisoners who have not even been charged of anything. (Keep in mind that all the US commanding officers in Irak saw before leaving, the French film "The Battle of Alger" showing what France did during the battle of Algeria, were we did exactly what you are doing presently in Iraq because we were facing the same problem). Let's call it what it is Atrocity. And we know what we are talking about for we did it too!
5. Legitimating the exclusive right for the US to strike any nations they think be a potential threat to their interest and freedom, and denying any one else the right to do so. This is to me the worst of all as establishing this principle is like opening the box of Pandora. It is open to excess, abuse and one-sided interpretation.
I've put a lot of strong word in my post. Take a moment and think about it
- Why does most of the earth citizen desired that this guy be not elected?
- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country and which stood many times with your people to fight all along your history, decided to stand-up and shout so loud.
- Why did my small country (France), which has relative small influence, little to offer and many to loose, be backed up by so many countries in its protest?
The US cannot be right against the rest of the world; else this is not democracy any more.
This is to me the 5 reasons why Kerry should be elected.
What would be 5 reasons to elect Bush?

- Why did France, which is one of the FEW developed nations that NEVER started a war against your country
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so that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
who were at war with us

[quote="Rudegarso that mean that there are pretty few developed nations since when i think i can mention
briten / canada
mexico
germany
japan
vietnam
koera
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Sorry I did not get this ? What is you point ?
If you talk about nations who were officially at war with the US, you can add UK, Italy, Spain, Philippine, Laos. Buy my post was more about Western European nations

i were just wondering which countries had been to war with US since they were formed and you helped me by adding some that i dident remember

IMHO, for me it's kind of obvious why Bush will win... (not that I like to see him win), but remember that ever since Bush started his presidential period, the US where attacked in their own territory, so basically all Bush has done is to govern based on terror, and in the other hand all Kerry has done is negate the terror threat and threaten to reduce the weapons and national security budgets. Ok, it might be true that the terror threat is not that great, but tell that to the American people and I bet they rather not take chances.
So, I think that for the American people, which basically has lived in terror for more than three years, it's imperative that Bush takes care of business, you know, fight for "freedom" in his own selfish pathetic way :evil:
Like the old sayng goes "better safe than sorry"... :roll:
[thought]I wonder why Al Gore didn't run this time? [/thought]

i believe it's rare that a loosing party put the same guy up more then once
popular vote showed that people dident like him too much last time
that he were to unanimated for their taste

Who will be the next US president?

Please vote

I'm just guessing that this topic will be locked as it'll get way to heated and political.
If i were to start on Bush and McCain, i'm sure i'd get in some trouble So that's Obama for me (even though i'll miss this voting election by a few months).

Well, that McCain sure is [INSERT OPINION]. Whereas Obama without a doubt is [INSERT OPPOSITE OPINION].
But seriously, get registered today, or your opinion won't count either way.

Why is this in about XDA. XDA is on Servers in The Netherlands if I recall correctly.
Moved to Off-Topic.
I'm only going to say this once. Respectable exchange of opinions and ideas are allow. If it gets out of Hand, the thread will be closed and Bans will be given!

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Well, I'm gonna throw up a bunch of videos, watch as many or as few as you want, and make your own judgments.
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What? Don't want to post the Anti-Obama Videos too? Sounding like CNN

JimmyMcGee said:
What? Don't want to post the Anti-Obama Videos too? Sounding like CNN
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Find me some, show me exactly how Obama lies about everything he does... Please.

Black93300ZX said:
Find me some, show me exactly how Obama lies about everything he does... Please.
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Heheh. If he does he does it well!
I saw the polls about a week ago and that's when I realized Obama isn't leading at ~70%. I didn't expect McCain to have so many supporters. I mean... 50 percent?!

Eh. McCain still might have a chance. I mean Palin completes him. She can do things he cant. While Obama.......had....*cough*....made.....a...*cough* pretty bad choice at picking a vice president. They basically share views. They'll agree to the same thing so they'll always follow each other >.> Just stating opinion. Even though I'm not a US Citizen or 18+ in age. Just a US Resisdent that will be paying the taxes of the debt later in my life that you people created today >.>

I think Joe Biden KILLED Palin in tonight's debate.

derekwilkinson said:
I think Joe Biden KILLED Palin in tonight's debate.
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I love how she beats around the bush on EVERY question. Simple question, the woman asked her "so is it safe to say that you two agree on gay marriage, you did say you didn't agree with it right?" And she goes on for 45 seconds talking about gay marriage! Haha hilarious. After she was done the woman asking questions was just like "ooookay... so you agree, now let's move on."

I see the education system of this country has been corrupted by CNN and MSNBC.
What next? Get your daily news from John Stewart. No wait I know....get real "independent" journalism from the NY Times.
Honestly, if you think that a debates makes somebody intelligent or qualified to run a county or be second in command they you need to re-evaluate your own knowledge. Would it not be better to have somebody deliberate on topic before spouting out something?

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I love how she beats around the bush on EVERY question. Simple question, the woman asked her "so is it safe to say that you two agree on gay marriage, you did say you didn't agree with it right?" And she goes on for 45 seconds talking about gay marriage! Haha hilarious. After she was done the woman asking questions was just like "ooookay... so you agree, now let's move on."
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Doesn't beating around the bush also mean that, "Yes I agree, but for those of you who don't understand why let me just explain a bit?"

first off I agree with the above post 12!!
ok here comes an observation from me in South Africa ...my observation is that every president of the USA for some time now is far worse than the previous (this is just my opinion) so regardless of who the next president it gonna interesting for me to see what's next? ...but I think Obama is gonna win..
(well I shouldn't talk too much, our political situation is currently in the dog house )
"long live democracy...so long as you agree with me" - absorber786

AllTheWay said:
I see the education system of this country has been corrupted by CNN and MSNBC.
What next? Get your daily news from John Stewart. No wait I know....get real "independent" journalism from the NY Times.
Honestly, if you think that a debates makes somebody intelligent or qualified to run a county or be second in command they you need to re-evaluate your own knowledge. Would it not be better to have somebody deliberate on topic before spouting out something?
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I know Palin isn't qualified to run our country from far more than her debate tonight. It's nice to see you go ahead and criticize so quickly, I'm sure you'd love Palin to lead your country then? Hockey mom with 2 years of experience as governor of what? Oh yeah, the 2nd largest city in a state that has 683,000 people. New York City has roughly 8.5 million, and the man who was at the helm of that for a decade wasn't qualified to be president... But a woman who has 1/5th the experience and 1/100th the population under her is surely built for the job. If you think these candidates haven't carefully considered and weighed the options for every question and topic they spoke about tonight, tell me, why would they be running for president? They've prepared, they know what their stances are on every subject, and the debate is simply an opportunity to put them up against each other. I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.

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ok here comes an observation from me in South Africa ...my observation is that every president of the USA for some time now is far worse than the previous (this is just my opinion)
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Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan... I'd say Reagan was slightly more successful than Nixon. ;-)
I see what you're saying, overall the presidents don't seem to stack up to what's been said about the past... But I think GWB is about to complete such a giant failure of a term that it skews our opinions on these things. Let's hope for a better future.

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I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.
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Actually I think Palin is a bad choice, but when I do vote I don't vote who I want to be vice president. Please share with us your infinite wisdom, in which an election was decided based soley on the vice presidential canidate. I do remember in 1992 when a man named Bill Clinton ran from a "small" state called Arkansas. I think he did pretty well as President. Just because somebody doesn't have vast experience in governing a large group of people doesn't make they disqualified from being a leader.
Do I think that picking Palin was a bad choice, yes. It was a political move by John McCain to gain votes. Will it pay off, I don't think so.
People are just so quick to judge somebody. I personally like the fact that she doesn't have vast experience in Washington politics and brings something new to the table. If you think policy and decisions by the president is made solely by themselves, then you sir are misinformed.

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I know Palin isn't qualified to run our country from far more than her debate tonight. It's nice to see you go ahead and criticize so quickly, I'm sure you'd love Palin to lead your country then? Hockey mom with 2 years of experience as governor of what? Oh yeah, the 2nd largest city in a state that has 683,000 people. New York City has roughly 8.5 million, and the man who was at the helm of that for a decade wasn't qualified to be president... But a woman who has 1/5th the experience and 1/100th the population under her is surely built for the job. If you think these candidates haven't carefully considered and weighed the options for every question and topic they spoke about tonight, tell me, why would they be running for president? They've prepared, they know what their stances are on every subject, and the debate is simply an opportunity to put them up against each other. I think you're the one who's misinformed or undereducated if you think this is a Jeopardy show-down for who can answer questions fastest, it's just a way for the people to see these two doctrines in direct comparison.
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With all of the "Liberal Talking Point's" just spouted, tell me Obama's qualifications to be President.
Talk about "Drinking the Kool-Aid". If you are going to spout opinions at least spout your own.

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Actually I think Palin is a bad choice, but when I do vote I don't vote who I want to be vice president. Please share with us your infinite wisdom, in which an election was decided based soley on the vice presidential canidate. I do remember in 1992 when a man named Bill Clinton ran from a "small" state called Arkansas. I think he did pretty well as President. Just because somebody doesn't have vast experience in governing a large group of people doesn't make they disqualified from being a leader.
Do I think that picking Palin was a bad choice, yes. It was a political move by John McCain to gain votes. Will it pay off, I don't think so.
People are just so quick to judge somebody. I personally like the fact that she doesn't have vast experience in Washington politics and brings something new to the table. If you think policy and decisions by the president is made solely by themselves, then you sir are misinformed.
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So you're saying Palin isn't qualified to run the country, but that's not a reason to vote against McCain/Palin. McCain is 72 years old, did you know that'd make him the oldest president in history? There's a good chance, with the high stress level of the job, that a 72-76 year old won't live through his entire term. Here's a shocker, who's president then? Palin. The part that bothers me though, is that McCain is just as much of a liar as Palin is... And a few of his positions (the war mainly) are enough to turn me away from him, he said he plans to be in Iraq for another decade... That's ridiculous. HAHA I just read the last sentence of your post, and here's what you're saying... "They don't need to be capable of making the decisions themselves, because no decision is made solely by the president." WAKE UP to the real world, regardless of how many people are advising them, a bad president can still **** things up (see: President #43). Do you want to compare Palin to Clinton? Bill clinton was governor of Arkansas (an entire state, not a town) for 12 years. So here's what you're comparing to be the same. Clinton: 2,350,000 people under his governance for 12 years. Palin: Governor for 2 years, and get ready for this population, it's 10x less than even I thought... 9,780. Oh man, you're sooo right, there's no difference between 12 years and over 2 million people to 2 years and 10 thousand... Palin's just as qualified!

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With all of the "Liberal Talking Point's" just spouted, tell me Obama's qualifications to be President.
Talk about "Drinking the Kool-Aid". If you are going to spout opinions at least spout your own.
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He was an Illinois state senator from 1997-2004 and on the US senate from 2005 until present. He didn't get captured in another country 50 years ago, but I'm sure that would've made him much more qualified to be president. I think some people like to forget when talking about McCain, the man has 12 houses and a wife with more money than god, he's not the person he was 5 decades ago. He'll be just as conservative as GWB, and I love how he says he'll "shake things up" in Washington and end corruption... 7 of his major supporters are lobbyists, but I'm sure he's going to be the one to take them down... Right. The simple fact that everyone has heard 500 times but still ignores, McCain has had the same stance as George W. Bush on 90% of the issues that have come to question. Are you guys happy with the last 8 years of presidency? I know I'm not.

Swine flu is virtually everywhere...

thank God that the reactions are relatively mild...
however am curious.. if one is not given tamiflu etc for the swine flu, and instead given the standard flu treatment.. ie rest and parcetamol for the fever... will the body heal itself like as per normal flu?

Respectfully
I don´t think that this subject will be of any help for anyone, XDA were almost free of this nasty world theme...
Just my opinion, let´s talk better of any related theme to this site

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Respectfully
I don´t think that this subject will be of any help for anyone, XDA were almost free of this nasty world theme...
Just my opinion, let´s talk better of any related theme to this site
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this is a off topic segment right?
anyway i respect the majority views here.. if so, then lets stop this thread.. but i am geninuelly interested to know more about this strain of the virus..

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this is a off topic segment right?
anyway i respect the majority views here.. if so, then lets stop this thread.. but i am geninuelly interested to know more about this strain of the virus..
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There are many other channels to find out what you need on that subject and much better than in here...
But as you said this is off topic, just wanted to express my opinion. I live in México and I´m really sick of this mediatic euphoric flu...
Respectfully, this is my point of view.

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There are many other channels to find out what you need on that subject and much better than in here...
But as you said this is off topic, just wanted to express my opinion. I live in México and I´m really sick of this mediatic euphoric flu...
Respectfully, this is my point of view.
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ah i understand where you are coming from... i hope all of you folks is well..
take care buddy

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ah i understand where you are coming from... i hope all of you folks is well..
take care buddy
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Thanks
As I said, it was more a mediatic than what real hapened here, we are all ok
I have never met anyone in my country that got the flu
It was an strategy from our goverment to use an emergency money....
Anyway, we are all ok, hope this thread at least helps to erase the bad image foreigners have from México regarding the flu.

being that swine flu have proven not to have a higher fatality
then normal flu
and a bit less infectious then normal flu
it's a bit like going "common cold is virtually everywhere.."

The hype has died but the virus is spreading even more.
Doesnt make sense really.

Lets see...
If somebody comes here and talk about... HITTLER.
The judish can be so upset about it... and angry!
If we come an talk something about... Racism Black Guys... Black guys get upset...and angry!
seems that you dont know nothing about what happend:
Lets talk a little this begins like this...
Our gub needs money to support the crisis... The president talk to other presidents and they say We need to get a big trouble to obtain from International srvice that money "we" need... so... TADAAAAAA Swine Flu!!!!!
O **** Mexico is full of swine we must to help them well thats what the presidents that integrates that mundial organization says! they gives money to mexico and mexico pays to USA to ENGLAND to many others... everybody happy...
Search Swine flu is here long time ago the swine flu kills more people than HIV? NO! more than a simple flu? no! the problem is that we didnt know how to take care of ourselves... and let the swine flu converts itself and morph to a bigger known trouble...
Please this has been told a lot... keep quite and keep your children nice....
Thats all i can say and will say ever about this ****!
Better take care for accident car produced by drunk... That! KILS!! more!!! than!!! swine!!!! flu!!!

thats what diseases does best with or without hype
but as I said it's been proven not to be more dangerous
then the normal string of flu's that come around every now and then

What the hell is the obama administration doing?

Not trying to start any fights here but Obama is going to run this country in the ground. He just passed something that says we will not use nukes on other country's if they bomb us with bio/chemical weapons so lets say some foreign country sent anthrax to downtown Manhattan and murdered 10,000+ people, we wouldn't nuke them, we probably wouldn't even fight back. So he is basically telling the enemy's to go ahead and bomb us, we will not fight back. They also committed to not developing any new nuclear warheads, So while Russia is our building new and improved warheads we are letting ours go out of date. Just like the stimulus bill that spend what like 8 billion dollars, has that really helped us any? When Carter was president he tried to spend money while we were in debt did it work? No it did not work then it will not work now. Hell they say they are trying to save money when he has already spent more money and taken more trips on his big Boeing 747 than Bush did the whole time he was in office and they are still trying to blame bush for all the debt. I could go on and on but im sure this forum has a character limit for each thread. The US needs to go back when Reagan was president that's when this country flourished.

Don´t know...
I have enough issues with my local government to know what is this guy doing bad, but I´m sure it´s not as bad admin as they are doing here

I am sorry to do this, but I'm closing this thread because we have a rule that says we do not discuss religion or politics:
2. Be polite and respect your fellow xda-dev user.
There is no need for cursing, flaming, racism or personal attacks. There are a lot of different nationalities on this forum all with different cultures, this means that no matter what you're like, you'll have to adjust to people that are most definitely not like you. For this reason we'd like to ask you to refrain from discussions about religion or politics,...............
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We just feel that there is too much potential for argument and that there are many other sites where these things can be discussed. So with apologies to the OP, this is something we avoid. It may be that this thread have continued without problems, but opening the door to political discussions generally would give us poor down-trodding Mods a bit of a headache.
Mike

[Q] 7-1 paris terrrorist attack, how do you think about it?

so, i'm curious how the users of xda think about the charlie hebdo attack of last week?
i think the UN should compile an army force and send them out to the middle east to prevent the terrorist groups
from traveling further and try to prevent groups from attacking innocent and harmless civillians (anywhere in the world)!
i believe the people of Isis and Al-qaeda should be taken out by force! honestly i don't approve of any violence! however in this
case the diplomatic way didn't had any positive result! therefore for the first time i'm saying yes to open fire! obama and other worldleaders should
finally put action to their words! these terroristgroups are an absolute thread to freedom of speech and expression!
so please give youre opinion and you're thoughts about this awful tragedy
(sorry for my broken english) i'm dutch :silly:
my condolances to the victims and family of the fallen!
je suis charlie

And as such the victims will have died in vain. Charlie Hebdo stood for freedom of speech through humour. They abhorred violence.
Murdering others because you don't agree with their ideas, however controversial they may be, makes you no better than those who murder others because they disagree with their ideas.
Murdering innocent people because you're upset over a cartoon is pure cowardice. It's not brave, it doesn't make you a hero. It makes you a pathetic coward.
But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The problem here is religion. For as long as history can remeber, people have been slaughtering innocents in the name of some fictitious god. Christianity is no better, or have people forgotten about the crusades?
Cue more butthurt people now painting a target on my head just for saying that. Freedom of speech kids, it works both ways. You get to preach about your god to those who don't want you to, and we get to ridicule it. If we aren't allowed to ridicule it, you're not allowed to preach to us. It's both sides of the blade.
Religious followers being upset because someone drew their fictitious figurehead is as ridiculous as all of us going on a murderous rampage because someone drew the Android robot with a pink hat. But people are so brainwashed from birth that they can't see the sheer idiocracy of what they're doing.
That is what lies at the heart of this. But nobody wants to see it. All the imams have condemned the attack, but not a single muslim is willing to take a good hard look at their religion and see that it needs to change. In the west we have learned to accept (the hard way) that there are others who believe different, and we have learned to share our lives with them. We accept that someone won't pray at dinner, that someone won't thank a god every evening. Now it's time for muslims to make that growth as well.
What none of them realized is that those controversial catroons weren't meant as an insult.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
The French shared their country, their lives and their culture with the muslims who came to live in France. They took them into their schools, their busses, their shops, their homes. They gave them the same rights and liberties as citizens.
Charlie Hebdo welcomed them into their lives by sharing their humour with them.
And as a reward for their acceptance, they were murdered.
And that is unacceptable. It is also why there is now such a backlash. If you come to live in our counties and want to share in our lives and become. A part of our society, you can't cherrypick the parts you want. It's all or nothing. You want the right to practise your religion in our society, then we retain the right to practise our humour.
I have gained a newfound respect for mayor Aboutaleb. That man should be an example to all muslims.
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But answering violence with more violence isn't the answer. That's how this whole mess started in the first place.
The west learned through Apartheid that a seperate society doesn't work. We adapted.
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A wonderful humanist once said an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Then I look at history the Christian crusades where many were murdered. Centuries later into the 21st century where Muslims, and I'm not meaning all Muslims, have the spotlight in committing many heartless acts against humanity. The cost of human life..................... the torture ,abuse,deprivation or murder of a human being there is never an excuse for that. I'm assuming these individuals have a built up, or have instilled in them, a hatred for the western way of life and use religion as an excuse to commit atrocities.
Apatheid indeed did not work, several of my friends who are Caucasian have worked in South Africa and it was an unsafe place to be for them.
There will be a balance for both, I'm thinking 2 or 3 lifetimes away. Hope is almost always a positive thing.
I have Muslim friends, some I have known most of my life and they are very different to what I have seen in the media.
I think I have written enough I'm emotionally drained.
Round and round we go

Political threads aren't really something that we allow. To much potential for emotions to get out of hand resulting in flaming of members.
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