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Hey, i'm having an issue with cyanogenmod 7 on my Nook Color. Switched from cupcake because I thought I'd have greater compatibility with apps. Since the change, programs that once worked (e.g. snesoid, beautifu widgets) won't book. Just get hung and ask me if I want to force close. I'm using the tablet tweaks and everything... is this just how it is, or did I mess up somewhere along the line? Thanks.
I can't speak for the specific apps or ROM ur using, but yeah this happens with the occasional app. Remember that u r using an unfinished product. It will get better as CM refines it. Android as a whole is a buggy system. Its never going to be as functional as something like iOS.
Did you wipe either Cache and/or Data partitions before flashing CM7? Wiping the Data partition will wipe all installed applications and settings, however, it will prevent any weird issues arising from incompatible settings across different ROMs and OS versions.
I don't know about snesoid, but my personal experience is that BW works very well in CM7.
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Hey, i'm having an issue with cyanogenmod 7 on my Nook Color. Switched from cupcake because I thought I'd have greater compatibility with apps. Since the change, programs that once worked (e.g. snesoid, beautifu widgets) won't book. Just get hung and ask me if I want to force close. I'm using the tablet tweaks and everything... is this just how it is, or did I mess up somewhere along the line? Thanks.
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Sounds like something's wrong. My Beautiful Widgets works great. I'd try reinstalling using these instructions:
I have similar problems with both Beautiful Widgets and the XDA app. When I log into the XDA app, it gives me a force close pop up. However, when I use the XDA app without logging in, I don't have any problems.
Which instructions are you referring to in that MASSIVE 100+ page post?
Thanks.
joelszs said:
I have similar problems with both Beautiful Widgets and the XDA app. When I log into the XDA app, it gives me a force close pop up. However, when I use the XDA app without logging in, I don't have any problems.
Which instructions are you referring to in that MASSIVE 100+ page post?
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The first post on that page.. That's how I flashed CM7 (pretty standard method, really) and I have no problems with Beautiful Widgets. Haven't tested XDA app. To be honest, I have problems with XDA app on my Droid 1, CM7, so I never use it.
Thanks everyone! I installed following the instructions from wiki.cyanogenmod http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Barnes_&_Noble_Nook_Color:_Full_Update_Guide
I will give it another shot and report back when I do. Right now I've gone back to cupcake, but still having a problem with beautiful widgets- gets stuck on the "loading skins" screen, never loads.
p.s. I *did* wipe the cache and data partitions
"Cupcake"?? I think you mean "Eclair"?
Cupcake was many versions ago, before the Nook existed, and the Nook Color ships with Eclair...
So, I switched to cyanogen, but I couldn't get beautiful widgets or snesoid to run. Trying to revert to factory settings, but every time I try I get stuck on the word ANDROID in blue.
I've tried hard booting 8x, I've tried running the script to change the bootcount but this just gets me to clockworkmod. I try running the factory reset/data wipe option, but it clearly doesn't remove cyanogen. I've also tried sideloading a 1.1 version zip, all to no avail. Any suggestions? Would uninstalling clockworkmod help?
Are you sure you followed the 8-failed-boots method precisely? That really should have brought you back to stock, at least as far as I understand.
http://nookdevs.com/Flash_back_to_clean_stock_ROM
I really do think so. It brought me to clockwork recovery instead of the usual factory reset...
Well I'm out of my league (I haven't done this) but it seems there are still ways... You could check out http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...install-cwr-save-root-revert-stock-image.html or do some searches here.
Now I'm stuck on the N sign instead of android... Tried everything in the link here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=914690 including the boot partition. No dice. The only way i can get it to boot is to reinstall cyanogen. Is there some trick to uninstalling cyanogen? Any other suggestions out there?
It seems like cyanogen just WON'T WIPE. Even when I format my data, it still loads, despite clockworkmod reporting that it has been formatted. Ideas please!
Check at androidtablets dot net
look for the link about restoring and removing clockwork from an SD card. I'd post the link but I can't yet.
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Check at androidtablets dot net
look for the link about restoring and removing clockwork from an SD card. I'd post the link but I can't yet.
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http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...install-cwr-save-root-revert-stock-image.html This one? tried it, no luck
Bummer. Yeah, that's the link. You might want to look in Nookdev too. They oulined a process that was similar, but they said you have to do the image restore AND unregister... though it's been a while since I've looked at it. It might be more helpful. Good luck in getting it back to stock.
This is unfortunate. I had been under the impression it was a LOT easier to get back to stock. (I still bet someone who knows will give you the right guidance.)
Oh well, I guess it's a good argument for using SD card booting exclusively -- I can't wait for a final CM7 SD Card ISO.
Hey,
this problem started only today and has never happened before. The only things changing were some app updates and a few new installs. I already uninstalled all of the apps installed in the last few days in hopes of reverting the situation but it didn't help. And after I made the first reboot when the apps began to force close randomly it looked like a semi factory reset was made. All my contacts are gone, there are no SMS/call logs, but all SMSes, pictures and videos are still there. If I try to open the Market app it asks me if I accept TOS, Gmail is not set, mobile internet is not working (due to reset settings), Wi-Fi and bluetooth settings are still there. In short, everything is half-fuc*ed.
What do you thing happened? And is there any possibility I can go back to a normal state without starting from fresh?
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Hey,
this problem started only today and has never happened before. The only things changing were some app updates and a few new installs. I already uninstalled all of the apps installed in the last few days in hopes of reverting the situation but it didn't help. And after I made the first reboot when the apps began to force close randomly it looked like a semi factory reset was made. All my contacts are gone, there are no SMS/call logs, but all SMSes, pictures and videos are still there. If I try to open the Market app it asks me if I accept TOS, Gmail is not set, mobile internet is not working (due to reset settings), Wi-Fi and bluetooth settings are still there. In short, everything is half-fuc*ed.
What do you thing happened? And is there any possibility I can go back to a normal state without starting from fresh?
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Go into Recovery and Fix Permissions, then reboot and see if that has fixed the problem.
Flash a new stock rom to solve this issue..
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Flash a new stock rom to solve this issue..
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But try a wipe (factory reset) before, should solve thus issue.
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Oh yeah, and another thing. Market, Youtube and Maps apps where all a few version lower than before and started updating immediately after opening the Market app. Market still is (even the old design and everything). How can this be?
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Go into Recovery and Fix Permissions, then reboot and see if that has fixed the problem.
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I don't have a Fix Permissions option in recovery (3e)???
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Flash a new stock rom to solve this issue..
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I'm trying to avoid that at the moment. Just for the time being so I can make a complete backup of all my stuff.
Lunchbox115 said:
But try a wipe (factory reset) before, should solve thus issue.
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Same as above. For now.
i9000 random loss of data
Yes, this is a rather old thread I'm trying to revive here, but as it is adviced to continue those instread of duplicating them, here are my issues:
I gave my i9000 to a relative ~a year ago and recently it started acting strange. About 1-2 times a month I get a call from that relative saying: "I get a lot of force closes, phone is unusable, nothing works". I then walk over, take a look and yes, unusable. It appears that all information in the /system partition gets lost for no reason. The relative told me that this usually happens when some google apps are updating, but it might still be random.
Currently MackayRom (latest) is installed.
Usually when I got the call, I hopped over to my relative, did a factory reset (wipe of /system and /data + Cache and Dalvik Cache) then reflashed the ROM and Gapps and everything looked good again. Sadly the issue continues to return.
What I tried so far is a complete wipe of anything, reverting to a stock TW Rom, and going back to an AOSP Rom from there (first CM 11, then Mackay). The issue appeard to be gone afterwards, I didn't hear from that relative for an unusual amount of time, but after a month or 1 1/2, it returned.
My guess is, that one of the chips that are containing the /system partition is broken or at least close to die (I'm not sure if it is just one or multiple chips, since the CM Team or Pawit himself changed something in the partition structure somewhere between cm10, cm10.1 and cm11 to ensure the compatibility of that old device with KitKat). Anyways, I'd love to hear any ideas or suggestions on how to solve this issue (although I reached a point where I think that solving this isn't possible anymore, unless I wanna swap the Mainboard, which would mean paying an amount of money that I could get a new phone for as well.) Soon as I have the time, I'll Odin-flash the latest TW Rom to the device and have my relative use that for a while, just to see if the different/older partition structure helps in any way.
Thanks in advance for any replies .
My market is entirely useless right now. The new style market, soon after i open the app, tells me that the app has stopped unexpectedly (process com.android.vending). The many forums of the internets say to delete the app's cache, delete the data, and uninstall the updates.
Okay, so we're back to the old market. Now, what it does is, whenever i go to an app's page, it tells me that a server error has occured, and asks if i want to retry or cancel. Retry gives the same pop up. Cancel takes me back a page, and then going forward a page brings up the pop up again. This effectively makes my market useless.
The problem started when i flashed CM7. I don't know if that's relevant or not. I tried flashing back to serendipity, but for some reason, i'm stuck on CM7. I am unable to flash back, so if anyone has any ideas to help on that front as well, it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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My market is entirely useless right now. The new style market, soon after i open the app, tells me that the app has stopped unexpectedly (process com.android.vending). The many forums of the internets say to delete the app's cache, delete the data, and uninstall the updates.
Okay, so we're back to the old market. Now, what it does is, whenever i go to an app's page, it tells me that a server error has occured, and asks if i want to retry or cancel. Retry gives the same pop up. Cancel takes me back a page, and then going forward a page brings up the pop up again. This effectively makes my market useless.
The problem started when i flashed CM7. I don't know if that's relevant or not. I tried flashing back to serendipity, but for some reason, i'm stuck on CM7. I am unable to flash back, so if anyone has any ideas to help on that front as well, it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Try using odin to get on a captivate based rom.
Go into applications and wipe data from the market. Then try a reboot . That's how i get mine working on both my phones
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Try using odin to get on a captivate based rom.
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Yeah, that's what i was considering as my next step. I have no clue how to work odin though; i'll search around, of course, but if someone could link me to a guide to using odin, it would save me some time.
trell959 said:
Go into applications and wipe data from the market. Then try a reboot . That's how i get mine working on both my phones
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Done that. No good.
I'd uninstall market (in TiBu) then wipe cache and dalvik in CWM recovery followed by reinstalling market.
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Yeah, that's what i was considering as my next step. I have no clue how to work odin though; i'll search around, of course, but if someone could link me to a guide to using odin, it would save me some time.
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download one of the one clicks reboot your phone into download mode, see a yellow box appear as COM, and hit start, I recommend doing atomic fusion odin then going to fusion kj1
WOW! HOLY CRAP THIS PLACE IS DEAD! Its been a while since I read around these Zio places. Yup, my ol Zio still bootlooped (its around here somewhere). I tried all the "guides" n zip's and skd's and all that other.....stuff, its koo gathering and installing stuff and gettin that lil rush of hope, but then one lil thing goes wrong or ain't in the step-by-step guied, BOOM- all bad, and nobody's around all of a sudden. Alot of HERE, TRY THIS POST FROM SO N SO (not for the Zio), GO TO BLAHBLAH.COM install that n profit (evil setup to rom someone's phone AND wipe it clean), BUT ITS ALL MY BAD, NEWBIE like me shouldn't mess with roots n roms. Don't get me wrong, if I can find somebody that would fix it for cash, id go back to my zio and chuck this HALLWIE A2 (whatever its called) to a dev. Well, I'm probly gona get smashed for posting this. DEEEEP BREATH........K, I FEEL BETTER NOW.
Now I'm soo broke I cant even pay attention!
What you need help on? Bootloop fix? I can help you. Pm me on the details. Could you still get into faatboot or recovery? What service sprint or cricket!?
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My zio is messed up too. I have no home/launcher or whatever you wanna call it. I can't get to settings to enable usb debugging either so none of the adb stuff works for me (so far). New to this and I don't want to buy another phone just yet. More details can be provided as to how this happened if needed. ty.
Not sure where it is but there was a fast boot zip of launcher apk. If you boot your phone into fast boot and cwm copy the zip to the phone and then flash the zip to your Zio it should resolve the issue
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My zio is messed up too. I have no home/launcher or whatever you wanna call it. I can't get to settings to enable usb debugging either so none of the adb stuff works for me (so far). New to this and I don't want to buy another phone just yet. More details can be provided as to how this happened if needed. ty.
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I can make a launcher apk. flashable zip for ya,just let Me know.
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openZIO Rom issue
Hi, I just installed the openZIO 2.1.2 ROM. Everything worked fine, but after rebooting and going through the initial set up (i.e. the google user setup blahblah) the VTL Launcher continually force closes and I can't do anything but go back and recover my original boot.img has anyone else had this kind of issue? Any possible fixes? Any help would be appreciated, I know not to many people are in using the Zio forums anymore... but yeah.. Thanks in advance
Try Reflashing again
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I've actually already done that, and it's still doing the same thing. I've deleted and re-downloaded the ROM, and re-flashed it to my phone, and still having the same issue. VTL Launcher just continually force closes, and it sucks cause I've been waiting months to get to install the ROM cause I couldn't afford a new USB cord. I've read so much on this ROM and everything for the Zio and was excited to actually be able to overclock my phone, and get some pretty good performance boosts out of it. Now I got one, and can't get it to work.. what a sad day
Could you explain your steps when flashing?
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well I first move the .zip to the sd, then power down and boot up CWM, and "install from SD card" and once it's finished flashing, I reboot the phone. when it comes back up my kyocera logo comes back up and it takes me through the first-boot programming (google sign-in) and once I input my un/pw and sign in, it tells me that VTL had an error and must hit force close. and once I hit force close it continues to come up saying the same thing over and over again. so I rebooted my phone, still the same thing. SO I go back through and flash it back to my original boot.img. I have gone through and completely deleted the openZIO 2.1.2.zip file and re-downloaded it, and gone through the same steps to see if maybe it was just a bad file somehow. But to no avail, still having the same issues.
After you boot into cwm : wipe cache partition, then go into mounts and storage, format: system, data, cache :then go into advanced and wipe dalvick cache.
Now flash rom
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Ok just went through with what you had mentioned, and still getting the same results. "Sorry! The application VTL.Launcher (process android.process.acore) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. with the only option to force close. As soon as I force close, the same message pops up
Have you tryed flashing my rom?
I would try that, and see what happens.
You can always push a launcher with adb or Droid commander.
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doing this now actually.. been reading for the last hour or so and seems like you did some good work on the ROM. it's flashing now, hopefully all works well I'm excited to see how it goes.
Well it flashed and well... seems to be having a strange issue.
When switching screens, it seems to glitch out? Like you see the icons, and when you switch screens, it's like the icons move but it freezes different frames. imma re-flash it in the morning to see if that helps any.
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doing this now actually.. been reading for the last hour or so and seems like you did some good work on the ROM. it's flashing now, hopefully all works well I'm excited to see how it goes.
Well it flashed and well... seems to be having a strange issue.
When switching screens, it seems to glitch out? Like you see the icons, and when you switch screens, it's like the icons move but it freezes different frames. imma re-flash it in the morning to see if that helps any.
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Im outta suggestions, I think you might have a hardware problem, but can't be for sure on that.
I've never heard of anybody having that problem, let me know if you get the issue resolved
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could defiantly be, this phone is well over a year old and has been dropped quite a number of times lol.
XCmaster said:
could defiantly be, this phone is well over a year old and has been dropped quite a number of times lol.
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Was your phone acting like that before you flashed openzio?
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Nope, I've never had these issues before. And I can still flash it back to my original boot.img and it works like before. I've never had any problems with it, so that's why I'm surprised this is happening lol
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Nope, I've never had these issues before. And I can still flash it back to my original boot.img and it works like before. I've never had any problems with it, so that's why I'm surprised this is happening lol
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I guess then its probably not a hardware issue.. hmm.. its almost Like the roms your flashing are getting corrupted some how.
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hmm.. .well maybe I'll format my sd and do a factory reset on the phone first, then try to flash the rom?
Hi, i have a problem with many apps, and really i don't know what else to do, this start out of nowhere, a few days ago the message "unfortunately, (app) has stopped.." it's making me crazy.
i've try to flash another rom, kernel, restore backups, wipe cache, dalvik, data, and nothing.
i've try cyanogenmod 9, gummy, slimICS, dark night, and icy glitch kernel, devil kernel, and many other.
for example,the titanium backup, shows me the message every 30 minutes, the CK: zombies, doesn't start anymore, youtube too, minecraft pocket edition, play store, and many apps.
please i need some help, before i pull my captivate away
THANKS!
Try opening Terminal Emulator, and type "df". Next to /datadata, see how much free space there is. If it is less than 15-20MB, you're going to want to move some apps to the sd card, or apply a datafix script.
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Try opening Terminal Emulator, and type "df". Next to /datadata, see how much free space there is. If it is less than 15-20MB, you're going to want to move some apps to the sd card, or apply a datafix script.
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i did it and show me 40 mb free space, 131 used, 172 total, blksize 4096.
Hmm... that should be enough free space, but you could still try the datafix script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1665742
Make sure to do a nandroid first (if you have anything worth saving at this point...)
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Hmm... that should be enough free space, but you could still try the datafix script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1665742
Make sure to do a nandroid first (if you have anything worth saving at this point...)
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let me ask if i understand, i most put the apps that doesn't work on the move_cache.txt file?
ktouy said:
let me ask if i understand, i most put the apps that doesn't work on the move_cache.txt file?
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i made it and still the same...
I've had this happen to me with tibu try restoring all the apps without data and then see if they FC if they don't then you know what's causing them to FC. I'm afraid your going to have to set up all your apps again. That's what I had to do.
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I've had this happen to me with tibu try restoring all the apps without data and then see if they FC if they don't then you know what's causing them to FC. I'm afraid your going to have to set up all your apps again. That's what I had to do.
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i've did what you recommend i wipe all data again, format sdcard, emmc, delete all my data and flash again, install one by one and test it, some apps work and some sill not working, and now appear something like system is not responding... wait or close.. and in my case i use apex luncher, apear "apex ... stop working..." these two did not appear before.
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i've did what you recommend i wipe all data again, format sdcard, emmc, delete all my data and flash again, install one by one and test it, some apps work and some sill not working, and now appear something like system is not responding... wait or close.. and in my case i use apex luncher, apear "apex ... stop working..." these two did not appear before.
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You didn't need to wipe your cards... Basically the problem is your Tibu backups were probably done with improper settings, and the data cannot be restored. Restoring just the app should still work though. You are going to have to start over again.
This is only correct if the apps won't even open
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You didn't need to wipe your cards... Basically the problem is your Tibu backups were probably done with improper settings, and the data cannot be restored. Restoring just the app should still work though. You are going to have to start over again.
This is only correct if the apps won't even open
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maybe i wasn't clear, i don't restore the titanium backups, i install apps one by one, clean installs from play store. and the message "system stop working" or something like that appear before i install the first app, when the first boot on setup wizzard, the setup wizzard stop and show me that message.
ktouy said:
Hi, i have a problem with many apps, and really i don't know what else to do, this start out of nowhere, a few days ago the message "unfortunately, (app) has stopped.." it's making me crazy.
i've try to flash another rom, kernel, restore backups, wipe cache, dalvik, data, and nothing.
i've try cyanogenmod 9, gummy, slimICS, dark night, and icy glitch kernel, devil kernel, and many other.
for example,the titanium backup, shows me the message every 30 minutes, the CK: zombies, doesn't start anymore, youtube too, minecraft pocket edition, play store, and many apps.
please i need some help, before i pull my captivate away
THANKS!
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do you have the low data notification? If you do, keep moving apps to sd until it goes away; then, reboot. I've had this problem a few times when i first flashed to ICS.
sthodupunuri said:
do you have the low data notification? If you do, keep moving apps to sd until it goes away; then, reboot. I've had this problem a few times when i first flashed to ICS.
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Yes i had it and i move all the apps i can to sd and the issue still happend sometimes
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Yes i had it and i move all the apps i can to sd and the issue still happend sometimes
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Specialy with CK zombies, this game stop working, and show me that Message, "unfortunaly....."
same problem
ktouy said:
Specialy with CK zombies, this game stop working, and show me that Message, "unfortunaly....."
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i have same problem with google maps.
after a fresh installation. it s runnning but when i restart i have that message "unfortunatly.. app stoped"
Same issue, with Gallery/Camera
ok, so i'm on Tsunami 2.0 running devil kernel, this issue started while i was on AOCP, whenever i open the camera app, it immediatly says Unfortunately, Gallery Has Stopped. so i tried reflashing the gapps, same issue, tried flashing the 4.2 gapps, same issue, so i wiped everything and switched to the AOKP Tsunami ROM that im on now, (gapps built in) and SAME FREAKIN ISSUE....any ideas guys? (im pretty experienced with android and flashing roms, i've got a buddy who is rediculously experienced with it, and neither of us can figure this out)
EDIT : Just tried the picasa synk option in Tsunami OTA menu, same issue. i cant post this on the thread for my ROM, cuz i haven posted enough.....HELP
What about go to the Settings/ Applications/ All/ Gallery...select Clear cache and then Force stop. Then back out to home screen and open camera ?? See if that fixes the problem.
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that was one of the first things i tried, and have done it several times since, still no luck....then i was gonna try and download a different camera app, and im getting server error on the play store....WTF. gonna try and reflash my gapps now, see if it improves anything.
EDIT: play store is working, downloaded Camera MX, it loads, but only shows black when trying to take a photo....i know that the camera physically works, i've been able to snap pictures and videos in the past.....
?? Idk what the deal is...but if all else fails, i suggest flashing back to Stock KK4 Full wipe ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18370912 ) then flashin KK4 Corn Kernel version 7.0A ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18233847 ), then flash ur Rom of choice.
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?? Idk what the deal is...but if all else fails, i suggest flashing back to Stock KK4 Full wipe ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18370912 ) then flashin KK4 Corn Kernel version 7.0A ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=18233847 ), then flash ur Rom of choice.
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Yeah, that was gonna be my next step, was hoping for an easier solution, lol....STOCK here we come! thanks for your advice, it'll be tomorrow before i get a chance to flash back, but i'll update with the results.