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Sorry if this has been posted before but this morning I noticed the phone is in 3G data mode!
Any idea what speeds Rogers is offering?
Also noticed phone switching to HSPDA from time to time.
it might switch because its accesing something on the network...haven't measured my speeds as of yet...will let u know
I am getting around 300 kbit/sec off dslreports.com
send me the link? (only have 10 MB plan)
I recently got my Kaiser (tilt) and with the speed tests that I have done the fastest download speeds I get are around 700kbits. Is this normal?
On my Titan (Telus) Evdo Rev A I could easily hit 1600kbits.
upstread is about 350kbits vs 500 kbits for EDO Rev A/
The ATT person assured me that their HSDPA was faster than EDO.
If anyone has speed stats, that would be greatly apprecaiated.
Thanks,
David
Yeah man my hdspa through ATT is horrible as well. Dont have figures for you but it drags.
i disagree it depends where you are and then there are TONS of other factors that infulance HSDPA speed. i am in NYC and on good days i get 1.6MB yes you read that right BUT most days its between 900kbs and 750kbs. with all the new 3G iphones on the at-t network now i believe you will see At-t step up there speed before the end of the summer but remember there are TONS of factors that infulance the down and up speed. if your in a major city then your speeds will probably be a little faster.
Hang on, as I understand it (please correct if wrong) HSDPA was rolled out last year, and HSUPA has still to implemented properly?
Anyone?
yes that is correct..a big factor too is your device..i recently found this out but alot of the ca[abilities of hsdpa were meant to achieve via tethering..your device can only write so fast to its rom/storage card and it cant really meet the demands of the downlink speeds of your umts signal so you have a bogged down speed of usually no more than 1mbit (ive NEVER gotten over 900kbit) but tethering you can get upwards of 2mbit
I tried my test with and without tethering. Without tethering it was about 700kbit, with tethering it ranged from 700k to 900k.
This is about half the speed that I had previously with EDO rev A.
Furthermore, what really hurts is the latency. With EDO-A I had about 40ms, with HSDPA (and I believe HSUPA, as someone from AT&T told me) I get close to 500ms.
I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
I have removed the hidden proxy, but I suspect that my data may be going through some odd place in the middle of the US. New York is a lot closer to Chicago than Seattle is.
I wonder if there are settings that we can make to access a different data site, or if we are just using a bad DNS server that directs us to a non-ideal site.
For the record, I generally install "ATT settings", turn off the proxy and then "Remove hidden proxy". I have not tried using the operator config program that is supposed to set things up automatically.
Btw: All tests are with full bars and Radio 1.71????? (e-monster) and a windows mobile 6.1 ROM with Internet sharing 6.0 to allow free tethering (at least I think that is what it is for)
Regarding storage, I am surprised that this could be a limiting factor with the Kaisers RAM and the storage cache sizes that I use.
pidsw said:
I did notice something odd: With sppedtest.net, it claims that my nearest server is somewhere in Chicago or something, with with EDO-A it was right in Toronto where I was.
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So are you using your Tilt in Canada? Is so, then you are not on AT&T's towers, and the speeds are the fault of the roaming provider, not AT&T.
I get roughly 1700kbps on hspda here in Rochester NY. Im running Slueth v3.0 Rom.
Well, I have HSDPA and im running at 1113 kbps. I have done a speed test 3 times and its around those numbers. So maybe its the radio version or rom. or it could be the coverage area. Im in the NYC.
i work at AT&T not for but at, and i have a tilt unlocked the HSDPA and was averaging 1400kbps and we have little GSM towers in our building(they habg from the cealing and look like upside down vases. so i'm guessing this would be pretty average for "good network conditions."
-MM
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
You can hardcode DNS addresses by editing the settings of your MEdia Net connection. I remember seeing in a different post that people seem to have good success with using OpenDNS' servers.
Hsdpa/Hsupa - Let's See What We Got Out There
I have the Hyperdragon Rom where it has the ability to select whether to enable the "H" HSDPA/HSUPA Mode but I have no idea which one is hooked up when the H is displayed.
Is there a tool that changes between say, an "H" and an "Hu"?
Also, can someone tell me where to learn more about the Open Server stuff for cingular?
Thanks.
pidsw said:
Sorry that was confusing: To clarify, I moved to Seattle from Toronto and I signed up for AT&T.
I have a feeling that it might have to do the logon and/or DNS results. My account says wap.cingular, when I ping this, it resolves to different IP's on a regular basis (load balancing?) But they are generally far away.
I got lucky later on one night and managed to get a wap.cingular address in San Jose and my speed was 1000kps according to www.speedtest.net using tethering.
On another test I got an IP in florida and I had 500kbps and a ping of 0.9 seconds.
When using OpenDNS I seem to get better results, but that may just be placebo.
Is there a way to use a hard coded IP rather than wap.cingular that is located in Seattle? I am not sure how "wap.cingular" is used explicitly as I cannot enter an IP and have it just work.
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Well, if you are actually PAYING for the PDA/Tether plan ( like me ), you can try using isp.cingular vs wap.cingular. It is definitely faster ( not a "placebo effect" ). My latencies are never in the 500's, although compared to my fiber line its still not comparable lol
This thread is only for users that are UK T-Mobile customers that have only basic Web N Walk. In fact it might only apply to customers that have moved over to Web N Walk on or after January 2008
I have noticed that my download speeds seem to be teetering at the lower end of 3G, slightly better than GPRS, but no way near HSDPA speeds. The test is located at the following site, if you are unable to use Opera try Pocket Internet Explorer.
www.dslreports.com/mspeed
I have repeated this test at various points throughout the day and with various signal strengths and have never been able to download faster than 190kbit/sec.
I have been speaking to T-Mobile regarding this issue and they state that HSDPA is only available to Web N Walk Plus customers and not the basic Web N Walk customers. However, colleagues of mine are on the basic Web N Walk and are able to download at HSDPA speeds.
T-Mobile are unable to provide written proof stating that HSDPA is unavailable on basic Web N Walk, the terms and conditions do not state this, and the 1GB fair use policy should ensure no one abuses the additional speed.
Furthermore, the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSDPA enabled phone. I therefore conclude that either I have been miss-sold my contract / phone or T-Mobile have incorrectly disabled HSDPA.
What I would like to do is see if others using the MDA Compact IV are in the same situation, so could you go and do the above test if you are a UK T-Mobile customer on basic Web N Walk and report back on what speed you get.
My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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My HSDPA connection is patchy at best, in that the coverage is poor (as is T Mobile in general). However I have just tried the speed test and I got 1157 mb for a 1 MB file. Doesn't really seem representative of my usual speed experience though.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
Whoever told you this about HSDPA at certain tariffs on T-Mobile is talking tripe I'm afraid. HSDPA is standard on T-Mobile 3G across the UK now, as is HSUPA UK wide and in London area faster HSDPA.
I'm sure you know that the figures are published at best and you will rarely hit what they publish.
In my area I get a four bar signal but at best I get just over 1mb connection with it usually being around the 300-600 mark. Uploads however have seriously improved since the network upgrade a few weeks ago.
I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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I'm on £7.50 w'n'w and the most i get is 300kbps which is the same as when i turn off hsdpa and just use 3g - still 300kbps.
What the hells going on?
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Right this is FACT and it IS on terms and conditions, I read them.
The reason I aborted my pre-order of MDA Compact IV was (amongst others) the fact that the standard web n'walk IS 3G speed only at up to 384kbps.
When I found out I flipped and cancelled and rang Orange retentions and got such a blinding deal I stayed with Orange ! Orange = HSDPA any package.
T-Mobile customers in the UK who have been on web n walk basic for ages may be under old agreement when it was HSDPA. You have to be on wnw PLUS now to get HSDPA for new customers.
dont get it, whats the deal? Why not pay another 5 or so quid and have HSDPA?
Afterall, why do you need HSDPA if your just browsing on your phone???? The only real reason you need HSDPA is if your using your phone as a modem which basic package doesn't allow you to do anyway.
This just makes sense.... so, whats the problem? Its not like its 10's of pounds of diference, its the price of 2 pints in a pub?
HSDPA is useful for web browsing simply because the pages load up up so much quicker.
I use mine to do a bit of browsing on the train after leaving work, and the difference when the coverage drops off to standard GPRS along the journey is very noticeable.
To say that you don't need hsdpa for browsing is like saying we could all make do with 56k modems for browsing at home. Yeah sure we could. but it would be painfully slow.
I am on T-mob, but have the HTC version. When I first got it there was no hsdpa on my account. when the phone detected a hsdpa signal, I could not connect at all, so I phoned 150 and asked the guy to make sure that hsdpa was enabled for my account. He said it should be but he would check. When he checked the system it wasn't set up, but he enabled it there and then, and it was available pretty much straight away
I am on flext 20 + w 'n' w basic
I'll try the dslreports thing tomorrow, but pages do load up much quicker when I have a H signal indicated
GPRS is commonly known as 2.5g
3g is "3g"
HSDPA is commonly known as 3.5g
Speed limits for each
btw: i'm fairly sure the phone supports HSUPA with a quick registry setting. Remember also that HSDPA is a BURST technology, not a sustained/constant technology.
Just because you dont have a "H" in your bar, doesn't mean your getting slow speeds - 3g IS quick enough for webbrowsing. You get normal 3g connection on Web'n'Walk basic.
So my question still stands, why do you NEED 3.5G HSDPA speeds for webbrowsing when 3G (Normal) IS way fast enough? If I was T-mobile I would use the same method for discouraging people using the phone as a modem when they are not supposed to - mind you 3g is still waaaaay fast enough for most stuff.
The fact you couldn't connect when your phone shows a H in the bar is odd... glad you got that sorted out.
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Are you on the basic Web N Walk tarif and when did you move over to it?
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I was on the basic package, I have not requested to move up neither have I been told that I have been moved up. The potential difference here is that I was on web n walk before Jan this year.
Good luck in trying to sort this out. i've decided to go (back) to Vodafone at the end of my contract in Nov because T mobile network coverage is so shocking.
did a few speed tests on mine this morning:
on the train
GPRS - 37 kbps
HSDPA - 498 - 1514 kbps
at my desk
HSDPA - 778 - 1231 kbps
was on web n walk basic for two years before upgrading to the diamond
and your trying to tell us 37k/s isn't fast enough to render webpages? If your experiencing slow webpages with this speed, its not your link at fault.
edit: at its at least 3x faster than you could dream of on a 56k modem!
Everyone who has responded so far has been on the Web N Walk package before Jan 2008. I would like to hear from someone who has only recently moved over to Web N Walk.
@ Monty Burns
1. There are better was to ensure that Web N Walk basic customers do not use their phone as a modem, such as a fair use policy, which they have. Why restrict how fast someone gets to that 1GB limit!
2. Yes back in the day 56K seemed fast, but you got to understand that the bar is constantly moving, back them most pages where static HTML, these days we have java, video streaming, audio streaming, not to mention bandwidth intensive apps such as Google maps.
I do notice the difference between what is effectively 3G speeds and WiFi. It’s frustrating and T-Mobile should see common sense and allow everyone to use HSDPA, it doesn’t cost them any extra to do so.
@ ns73
Please point me in the direction of the terms and conditions you read, as I cannot find this anywhere!
yes your correct, the bar is higher but .. why do you need 3.5g to do it? 3g is way fast enough and will happily fill up your phone very quickly!
I suspect there is some form of limitation to HSDPA connection/s which is why, if i was t-mobile, i would limit it to those paying for the full package. As your only supposed to be browsing, you just don't need 3.5 when 3 is still massive overkill.
I remember few years ago when HSDPA just came out I rung up T-mobile and they had to tick the box for HSDPA enabled. I believe you can also do this yourself by logging into the T-mobile website and managing your account
You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, and while it may not have been stated when you connected, it was also not stated that you WOULD get HSDPA. If you connected to WNW over a year or so ago you may have slipped the net, and still have access at the higher speed.
As far as "ticking a box" is concerned, I don't believe this option is still present on their' systems, and even when it was it was simply for legacy purposes and you should have never have had it ticked in the first place.
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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You don't get HSDPA with standard WNW, .....
The £5 isn't much extra to get the HSDPA, I don't mind paying it.
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Exactly. Cough up and get the larger packet (about 2 beers a month!!!? If you can't spare that, you have more serious concerns), live with no HSDPA (why do you need it anyway when your not allowed to use it as a modem) or go to another telcom.
well i've just taken out my compact IV on tmobile, flext 30 with W+W my signal at home is shocking, but at work connects over HSDPA and returns between 992 and 1324 so far, just with standard and new line taken out on tuesday
@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
There is a limitation to the number of connections per cell station. The cell station has algorithms built in to automatically share the data between HSDPA, 3G, GPRS, and GSM. However, this ratio is adjusted every few milliseconds on the fly and would only be a factor if a large number of people are downloading at the same time.
@ lx_t,
This option is no longer available on the T-Mobile website.
@ OK!
Your right WNW basic does not state that it includes HSDPA, but neither does any of the other WNW tariffs, so in that case as its not explicitly stated one way or the other, it is implicitly implied. Furthermore the MDA Compact IV is sold as a HSPDA phone, it does not state that this is subject to being on a particular WNW tariff.
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@ Monty,
I have to disagree, while you may feel that 3G does fill your screen quickly enough, I find it slow and tedious. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on what they consider to be acceptable. I do not consider my current browsing experience to be acceptable.
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Thats not the link. you cannot notice the diference between 3g and 3.5g on a web browser on your phone... unless the web page has tens of links to some seriously high megapixel pictures of course but then, the phone would cave in anyway.
Check out the link i posted above for the speeds. 3g is like using a ferrari to race a push bike when it comes to speeds needed for web pages. HSDPA is designed for "modem" use and heavy downloading and for web browsing is like using a Veyron.... if you think 3g isn't good enough, your never going to be happy with web browsing on a phone.
I've spent more than £5 pounds worth of my time trying to explain this and thats all it would cost you a month to get a little more priority on the t-mobile network and a higher fup. Why are you so cheap? Why should you get maximum speeds on cheapest package? its FIVE pounds.
Now, where's the nearest wall, i think it might be less painfull head butting it than this thread ....
I have been doing speed tests with my HSDPA and 3G and found HSDPA to not be any faster. After a quick call to T-Mobile it turns out Web'n'walk customers do not recieve HSDPA speeds.
You wil get the little H and your phone will connect using the HSDPA protocol but the speeds will be capped at 3G rates, your battery just drains faster.
To get HSDPA speeds you need to upgrade to web'n'walk plus or max and then the cap comes off.
So, if you want more battery power and your on web'n'walk I suggest turning it off.
so what speeds do you get?
i can get hspda speed on my web'n'walk deal. only took it out in july. dunno if its changed since then......
Hmmm....Id also be interested to see what numbers you get....
The talk about limited speeds for those who do not have good speeds on web'n'walk is crap, it is only about making people pay more.
Providers do not have any policy on their users using HSDPA/ 3G/ HSUPA.
If you have an HSDPA capable phone and you are in coverage the phone will use it.
A long time ago I bought a contract for internet over GPRS and the contract stated that I was only allowed to use GPRS. I also had a modem that was only GPRS capable (do not laugh, it was quite a few years ago). The contract also gave me UNLIMITED access to the internet.
After 2 months I purchased a modem capable of usigng EDGE and was using it a lot. They were never able to cut my transfer down because the contract said UNLIMITED access. They never said a work about me using EDGE instead of GPRS because they did not access such data.
If you are getting low sppeds on HSDPA, either the coverage is weak or you have HSDPA turned off in the phone.
I have a data packet with Vodafone UK and they recently upgraded my area to HSDPA and I am able to watch a 7 min youtube video without any stuttering after only 11 secs of loading.
Just because you have a HSDPA enabled phone, and web and walk does not mean you will get HSDPA speeds. You need to ensure that you are on a package that enables you HSDPA, or you ring and check your SIM is provisioned for it.
When I first went to T-mo I got the samsung Z560 as it was a HSPDA phone. Ran some tests and found I was only getting around 300kbps. Rang T-mo and had to move a tier of web'n'walk. They also had to provision my SIM for HSDPA.
That's the same for me. It's like having a 2mbit broaband connection - you're still on a 16mbit line (or whatever your exchange's max speed is) but not connecting on that speed until you upgrade your package.
I noticed an instant difference when I upgraded to WnW Plus. Now I can get Sky Player, BBCi Player etc when connected to a laptop, whereas I couldn't before on 3G speed.
So it's correct, if you are not getting high speed access but your phone is connecting with an 'H', turn it off and save the battery.
Does anyone have some major data speed issues with this phone?
I live in Boston and most days I can't get higher than 0.05-0.1 Mbp/s download... sometimes it'll kick up to 1.5 or 2Mbp/s, which is still significantly lower than T-Mobile's theoretical HSPA+ speeds.
I just don't get it. I've had the phone swapped, new SIM card, factory reset. Cannot figure it out. My roommate has a G2 and his phone works fine, could it be that WP7 has a poor wireless stack or something?
Iridox said:
Does anyone have some major data speed issues with this phone?
I live in Boston and most days I can't get higher than 0.05-0.1 Mbp/s download... sometimes it'll kick up to 1.5 or 2Mbp/s, which is still significantly lower than T-Mobile's theoretical HSPA+ speeds.
I just don't get it. I've had the phone swapped, new SIM card, factory reset. Cannot figure it out. My roommate has a G2 and his phone works fine, could it be that WP7 has a poor wireless stack or something?
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I live in India and here its because of poor data connections that the speed fluctuates...but that said, in one particular place the connection is pretty fast...i was on Vodafone website and I checked if the phone is 3G enabled..it is but they had a small footnote about the speed...if u can, go to the Vodafone India website, select your state as Mumbai and check for device compatibility, u might find something worthwhile...hope that helped...
how do you check your data speed?
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how do you check your data speed?
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I usually use 2 speed tests, DSLReport's one and the Bandwidth app.
You can tell it's going really slow though because it takes 15-20 seconds to load Google occasionally.
Oddly enough, I've disabled 3G before and the EDGE data was actually faster. Scary.