So, I've had a flash itch for a while courtesy of S7 reaching EoL and having been on Apex for the last month or two. Now that 2.3.4 is available on both the Captivate and i9000 platforms, can somebody enumerate the pros and cons of going with one over the other? I'm starting with what I know.
Captivate ROMs
Pros
Audience chip
Cons
No HSUPA
No Voodoo sound/colour
i9000 ROMs
Pros
HSUPA
More variety of ROMs/kernels/modems
Voodoo sound/colour
OC/UV
Cons
Not native to the device
very good question,I also have been looking at them and considering this and whether there is anything different about flashing one of those roms
I've not had bad experiences with either, but here is my two cents worth...
I prefer the Captivate ROMs, for the following reasons...
1. Stable. As I Swype this, it has been four days without a restart, and not one FC (Cognition5v2).
2. Audience Chip. It is a small thing, I know, but this is a phone, and call quality counts.
3. Voodoo Sound. Yeah, I paid for the app, and was happy to do it. Simone is doing some fine work and deserves to be compensated.
4. Overclock. Tegrak. Couple bucks. give it up for 2400 Quadrant scores.
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Forgot 5....
What is so special about HSUPA vs HSDPA? I have HSDPA, and it seems to be more than OK, even way out in the boonies where I live.
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OwenW71 said:
Forgot 5....
What is so special about HSUPA vs HSDPA? I have HSDPA, and it seems to be more than OK, even way out in the boonies where I live.
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The U in HSUPA is for upload. If you run a speedtest on HSDPA your upload will be closer to 300kbps whereas HSUPA will be more like 1000kbps. Theoretically this means faster web browsing because it can send the requests faster to get the download faster.
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Correct, HSUPA downloads at the same speed as HSDPA, but has higher theoretical upload rates. Since most web site requests will fit in a packet or two, UPA does not have much advantage for browsing, but is noticeably faster for things like uploading photos. I generally reserve that kind of stuff until I find a wifi hotspot.
Again, this is just my opinion, but the i897 ROMs have a slight edge in stability and call quality on the Captivate. I do wish we had more source for kernels, but with the Tegrak and Voodoo stand-alone apps, I'm happy.
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I have hacked my phone to get 5 Mbps down and 3 Mbps up just 4 yahh to know;D
MIUI is 2.3.5 and has HSPA becuase it runs an I9000 modem
thr ROM itself has nothing to do with the Modem, atleast wether it has HSDPA/HSUPA/HSPA.
Voodoo sound and color is available for MIUI/CM7
And also voodoo sound is available on every device, it hacks the audio driver/and files that run it .
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OwenW71 said:
I've not had bad experiences with either, but here is my two cents worth...
I prefer the Captivate ROMs, for the following reasons...
1. Stable. As I Swype this, it has been four days without a restart, and not one FC (Cognition5v2).
2. Audience Chip. It is a small thing, I know, but this is a phone, and call quality counts.
3. Voodoo Sound. Yeah, I paid for the app, and was happy to do it. Simone is doing some fine work and deserves to be compensated.
4. Overclock. Tegrak. Couple bucks. give it up for 2400 Quadrant scores.
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There was a free Voodoo control app. But i paid cuz he deserves it too.
I dont OC/UV at all and get over 3000 in quadrant on stock KH3
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I dont OC/UV at all and get over 3000 in quadrant on stock KH3
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I don't understand how you can get scores like that on stock KH3. Did KH3 implement EXT4? My max score on any stock ROM was just under 1000. The single biggest factor in jumping up my scores was to go to a EXT4 ROM, even OC did not have as much effect.
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I don't understand how you can get scores like that on stock KH3. Did KH3 implement EXT4? My max score on any stock ROM was just under 1000. The single biggest factor in jumping up my scores was to go to a EXT4 ROM, even OC did not have as much effect.
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No changing file system, still RFS. Not creating a buffer zone, no oc/uv!
Im just lucky
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I don't understand how you can get scores like that on stock KH3. Did KH3 implement EXT4? My max score on any stock ROM was just under 1000. The single biggest factor in jumping up my scores was to go to a EXT4 ROM, even OC did not have as much effect.
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i get around 1660 on kh3 no oc and on rfs
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I don't understand how you can get scores like that on stock KH3.
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I just got 1352 on KH3, fresh flash.
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Hi everybody!
After installing the DocRom XXJPO v9 with lagfix Ext4 ALL (a=e4), schedule kernel, I/O, etc.. and tweaks, and I get 1563 in Quadrant's benchmark(I've just installed, i never ran the test before)...It's a very low value, isn't it?What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
Take test scores with a grain of salt. It's not the best way of assuming something is wrong with your phone.
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Actually if u look at the other scores unless something has changed I'm pretty sure that is still the highest s ore on that list. No worries.
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Uh, yea. I get something between 900 and 1000 depending on the day with official 2.2. Mostly I assume down to the piss poor filesystem speed. It almost always looks like it has hung on the writing test.
Thanks for the responses!
I've read that some people got 2000 and even a little bit more. I guess they overclocked!!
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Thanks for the responses!
I've read that some people got 2000 and even a little bit more. I guess they overclocked!!
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People may be using an overclock but to the people with the 2000+ scores are using the EXT2 binds option/OCLF.
When using OCLF quadrants shows huge scores in the filesystem part whereas it may not reflect the actual performance of the phone.
Personally so far, hardcores new K10C kernel is by far the fastest I've used yet. He's updates a few things in K10C and my phone is really, really fast. You notice it more in the app drawer and when the phone is under load. I'm also using the all EXT4 option.
You should give K10C a go and see for yourself.
Paul, I'll have to wipe to install this new kernel?
... Quadrant scores are pretty meaningless. Only be worried if you feel lag when you're using the phone.
my scores breach 2000(by 3) but im not overclocked. look at my signature
I'll try this new kernel, PaulForde, thanks for the tip!
nwsk, you're totally right, but sometimes I notice some little lag in my live wallpaper, and I don't have lots of apps in background. That's what made me think about it, install Quadrant and compare the results with some others.
By the way racerboy3801, I see you have BUJP8 v9 installed...[offtopic]Have you noticed any differences with JPA/JPO?[/offtopic]
I had a chance to try it in corp store, but the result is disappointing.
Only 15xx? Are you kidding me?
With same Tegra 2 CPU, my A7 can achieve 2400-2500.
What is yours?
Is your A7 running stock firmware?
Quadrant is 1995 on stock.
Quadrant 1867 37.769 Linpack
As I thought dualcore means nothing reason I love my Nexus s with its 2825 quadrant score people better wake up as to the marketing that's going on
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I only trust my experience when playing Angry Birds.
If it doesn't have hiccup, this would be good.
mingkee said:
I had a chance to try it in corp store, but the result is disappointing.
Only 15xx? Are you kidding me?
With same Tegra 2 CPU, my A7 can achieve 2400-2500.
What is yours?
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1913 for my Streak7. Tested right after restarting.
1900- ish with about 250 MB RAM available....
39-ish on Linpack...
For those that may not know...
The quadrant score doesnt really mean anything right now. Reason being; Froyo doesnt support dual core, so until HC gets ported, you will never see the full potential, even though its already there. Anf even when it does get ported, it really depends on which filesystem we get this running on a custom oc kernel. For instance, etc3 has trouble with the read/write db, even though the kernel is super fast. And rfs and jfs dont have that issue as much, but usually arent as fast as say a voodoo kernel.
Dont rely on quadrant or linpack. Right now, but not for long, the DS7 has the fastest processor on an android tablet, but we cant even use it to its full potential. This is why I know we will get HC, its just a matter of when we will get an official release from Dell/T-Mobile.
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binarybishop said:
For those that may not know...
The quadrant score doesnt really mean anything right now. Reason being; Froyo doesnt support dual core, so until HC gets ported, you will never see the full potential, even though its already there. Anf even when it does get ported, it really depends on which filesystem we get this running on a custom oc kernel. For instance, etc3 has trouble with the read/write db, even though the kernel is super fast. And rfs and jfs dont have that issue as much, but usually arent as fast as say a voodoo kernel.
Dont rely on quadrant or linpack. Right now, but not for long, the DS7 has the fastest processor on an android tablet, but we cant even use it to its full potential. This is why I know we will get HC, its just a matter of when we will get an official release from Dell/T-Mobile.
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Thank you for clearing this up. I did read about Quadrant and 2.2 not supporting Dual Core a few months back.
-- Dave
Ok so i flash theses beautiful roms and now ive tried some testing and currently on my captivate i ran the "linpack for andoid" app and it states:
MFLOPS: 13.982
time: 6.0
Norm Res:5.68
Precision: Inaccurate result
ok so i looked at the top 10 section ounder my phone and their MFLOPS is between 20-50 MFLOPS...So do i need some tweaking?..I mean the phone is good , Rom is awesome...any thoughts?
Captivate 1007
Phoenix 5.2 (2.2.1 JS5)
Speedmod i897 500hz k13c
UGJK4
Lagfix enabled
(r) Tweaks enabled
I wouldn't worry about it. First, your test said inaccurate results, so try running it a few times, though you probably won't get much more out of it. Secondly, most people believe these benchmarks are a load of BS, and I would trends to agree. If the ROM feels snappier and works smoother than stock for you, there really isn't any use in the benchmark scores. I'm running Serendipity 5.11 with the same kernel as you, and I find my scores are in the low 14's- which, as is for you, seems slow compared to the online results. However, my phone supposedly blows the other results out of the water in the Quadrant Standard benchmark, regularly achieving scores over 1500, and I imagine yours would perform similarly, so no, I wouldn't worry at all.
Overall, most of the roms on here achieve faster performance along with better battery life compared to a stock cappy. I suggest trying out as many roms as possible to find the one that fits you best, as everybody has different tastes, and each rom behaves differently for everybody.
Personally, I think Serendipity is something you should try, as it looks friggen sweet as is, and even better IMO with some tweaks. I changed the battery indicator to the android dude, the font to Armani, and use launcher pro over the base rom. Altogether, my phone is super slick and snappy. Oh yeah, it also accesses HSPA networks, so downloads are way quicker than stock (pretty sure your current rom does too).
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that's about right, repeated tests should get you 14+. it does say inacurate so i dont think you have a problem, just a process running somewhere. the hummingbird lacks a bit in this area and snapdragons excel only in this area. i know it is weird that the nexus one and droid incredible smoke this phone in linpack but it is hardly a thorough benchmark. run quadrant on CM7 when it comes out and see what the hardware is really doing without the samsung influence. despite the low mflops you will see good scores across the board.
Thanks alot for the input everyone...jus curious how gen-pop was adding up... but who cares about the numbers i suppose when my phone is soo [email protected]## cool hahha
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Just for the record, I'm on stock Froyo, With no SpeedMod, but with voodoo lagfix and I got better benchmark, linpack and quadrant scores than I did with a custom rom and Speedmod kernel before. Add to that the stability of a native ROM and kernel, and I think you know what I am saying here...
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Just for the record, I'm on stock Froyo, With no SpeedMod, but with voodoo lagfix and I got better benchmark, linpack and quadrant scores than I did with a custom rom and Speedmod kernel before. Add to that the stability of a native ROM and kernel, and I think you know what I am saying here...
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Hmmm. Intresting. Makes sense. Whered ya get the stock from..curious about the release tomorrow for At&t. Think i might try some configs with it.
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Hi,
I have been looking all over for an OC kernel that will either allow a lag fix to be applied or comes with lag fix for the stock Froyo rom.. I would prefer at least 1400Mhz OC as my phone runs fine at this speed, Ive used several oc kernels for testing but they are rom specific CM7 Contiuum ect.
I was hoping that someone had converted the DoW vibrant kernel to captivate because it seems to be exactly what Im looking for but I cant find anything similar
I apologize if this question has been asked but Ive been searching for roughly a week and I cant bare it any longer...
One other thing Im interested in is fps cap being removed so if anyone could help me understand that a little more Id appreciate it... Ive read a little and also used a kernel claiming to have removed it but I dont get much of a differnce in fps tests....
Thank you soo much in advanced,
Noopy
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988805
Thank you... Flashing now
Ok so I flashed the kernel seems to be working fine although i noticed a big differnce in the voodoo lagfix over OCLF.. Does voodoo use ext4?
Also about the fps cap is there any oc kernels for the captivate stock froyo w/o the fps cap?
At one point i had actually flashed the DoW kernel to my captivate and the speed was amazing.. I know quadrant standard isnt the most reliable for testing speed but I could get steady 2500+ of course the button mapping isnt the same and the g sensor was a wack but im interested in possible converting it if someone could direct me to the proper resources ill be glad to give it a shot..
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Ok so I flashed the kernel seems to be working fine although i noticed a big differnce in the voodoo lagfix over OCLF.. Does voodoo use ext4?
Also about the fps cap is there any oc kernels for the captivate stock froyo w/o the fps cap?
At one point i had actually flashed the DoW kernel to my captivate and the speed was amazing.. I know quadrant standard isnt the most reliable for testing speed but I could get steady 2500+ of course the button mapping isnt the same and the g sensor was a wack but im interested in possible converting it if someone could direct me to the proper resources ill be glad to give it a shot..
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I can answer your first question, yes, voodoo does convert your file system to ext4.
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I'm pretty sure Onix UPS the fps cap. I'm also pretty sure it's stable on stock Froyo.
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I'm pretty sure Onix UPS the fps cap. I'm also pretty sure it's stable on stock Froyo.
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you would have to flash an i9000 modem if you want to use a reoriented i9000 kernel like that.
Noopy420 said:
Ok so I flashed the kernel seems to be working fine although i noticed a big differnce in the voodoo lagfix over OCLF.. Does voodoo use ext4?
Also about the fps cap is there any oc kernels for the captivate stock froyo w/o the fps cap?
At one point i had actually flashed the DoW kernel to my captivate and the speed was amazing.. I know quadrant standard isnt the most reliable for testing speed but I could get steady 2500+ of course the button mapping isnt the same and the g sensor was a wack but im interested in possible converting it if someone could direct me to the proper resources ill be glad to give it a shot..
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Did you even read the OP for the kernel you flashed?
Direct from that Existz OP:
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-removed FPS cap (lock/unlock screen once after first boot)
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Yes i did but i didnt flash the kernel untill i gor home sorry i shouldve read over it again
The reasoni asked about voodoo lagfix is because OCLF uses ext2 and i noticed a significant speed decreaae wheb moving to voodoos...
As far as the fps cap it says its removed however i get no increase in fps... Ive achieved 65 w a previous kernel so my current 50 fps just doesnt seem right for cap being removed
Thanks
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Which of the current 2.3 ROMs is considered the fastest/most responsive? Or which ROM would be considered the fastest based on the mods & tweaks used by the developers? I'm not to versed in the technical side of things to discern which tweaks/mods/kernels/etc give way to the most stability, speed, and response and would like the community's opinions on the matter.
Probably CM7, I just started using it and there is never any lag. I haven't even OC'd it yet. This also comes with the price of having to live off a wall charger though.
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If you mean fastest in clock speeds, then thats a balance betwen rawr clock and how much battery life you can get out of it. Keep in mind these phones clock easily 1.2ghz-1.3ghz no issues past that you need to increase the voltage. So you can in theory get 1.6ghz-1.8ghz but you will live next to a charger. If you mean fastest on how it feels Id have to say Continuum moved awesome few months back (haven't used it in a while) Atomic Fusion if the ext4 version comes out. But there you should just test them out.
On a side not if you want to OC your phone and not have to pay for the oc app, then Id suggest you stick to I9000 ports or AOSP's like CM7 or MIUI. Native roms like Cognition 5, Atomic Fusion and Nuclear Fusion need Tegrak for OC/UV.
Which of the I9000s seem to run the fastest/smoothest? I've been looking at Dlev and Darky but how does Apex/Symply GS II/Mosaic/Sensation compare?
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Keep in mind these phones clock easily 1.2ghz-1.3ghz no issues past that you need to increase the voltage. So you can in theory get 1.6ghz-1.8ghz but you will live next to a charger.
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I actually read in the Glitch kernel thread that when overclocking, higher voltages doesn't always mean more stability. I'm OC'd at 1.5ghz right now really stable and I was UV'd at -50mv but I just dropped it to -75mv to see if its stable there. I'll keep dropping it till I have issues.
Oh yeah, and CM7's battery life has got WAY better over time, so I'm not having to worry about charging all the time either.
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I actually read in the Glitch kernel thread that when overclocking, higher voltages doesn't always mean more stability. I'm OC'd at 1.5ghz right now really stable and I was UV'd at -50mv but I just dropped it to -75mv to see if its stable there. I'll keep dropping it till I have issues.
Oh yeah, and CM7's battery life has got WAY better over time, so I'm not having to worry about charging all the time either.
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From my experience to maintain a stable phone i over volt the "step" that's overclocked, and then undervolt the other "steps". Im by no means a expert nor is there a full proof way to do it. Each phone kinda reacts differently on the overclocking past 1.2-1.3ghz.
Which of the I9000 roms should theoretically run faster due to the tweaks/mods used by the developers without the need to overclock?
There if no need to overclock for daily use. Only if you are playing very demanding games. And only during those games.
As for fastest rom....have a search this question gets asked a lot with always the same answer and result:
There is no best rom, all phones are different as well as tastes, what's best for me on my device may not be on yours. Flash and try a few and make you own decision...
CM7 is fastest but Display and Sound quality is not as good as stock ROM .
Before school started for me and i couldnt access a charger when i wanted to, i used MIUI at a stable 1.6 GHz ALL of the time with odemand govenor and i got like 18 hours with moderate use, on Glitch V12! And you dont need to overvolt for higher speeds i have tested it and its better to undervolt higher clocks, i get better battery and performance!
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For the 10th time Each phone reacts differently to Overclocking. There is no sure way to get it OC/Uv. On my phone past 1.2ghz i need to over volt.
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For the 10th time Each phone reacts differently to Overclocking. There is no sure way to get it OC/Uv. On my phone past 1.2ghz i need to over volt.
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Well i ran 1.6 GHz undervolted at ever clock speed fine, had better performance than over volting, so its different
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