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I've heard so many mixed perspectives.
The way I see it, S-OLED should be the best in the bunch.
Followed by OLED and then TFT..
I've heard about the nexus display looking "unnatural" from engadget, whatever that means..
Some people are saying that the upcoming sprint evo 4g has a brighter and simply better (4.3") screen.
Apart from the size, the screen technology is just TFT.
In the computer LCD world, i have heard more bad than good about TFT, so what's the deal?
Right now I have a 24" 1080p TFT LCD Monitor, and I think it's beautiful.
I haven't had much to compare it to though.
It's not the greatest screen I've seen, but it's definitely nice.
I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
On the flip side, the Nexus One's vibrancy is hands down better. While watching movies on the HD2, I loved the size of the image, but to be honest, I prefer the color of the Nexus One's screen.
Outside in the sunlight, the HD2 wins. It still gets horrible glare, but no where near as bad as the Nexus One.
With all of that being said, I prefer the Nexus One's screen. Not going to talk about the size differences and their pros and cons, because that's a separate subject altogether. I'm mostly indoors for my job, and being a graphics designer, I enjoy the contrast that the OLED screen can deliver. It's not exactly color accurate, but since this is a phone and not being used as a design device, it doesn't matter...it looks gorgeous. So long as people don't appear as orange aliens, I enjoy the contrast. (Go stare at some of the TVs on display in major retail stores...they jack the contrast up to ridiculous levels to try to wow the viewer, but make things look downright stupid)
I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I have both an HD2 and a Nexus One. The HD2 has a 4.3" TFT display and looks gorgeous. It doesn't have a very defined pixel grid look that you can see if you stare at your Nexus One up close, so it looks more blended.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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I see, that's pretty much like I expected.
The OLED displays will have a more pixel grid display because each pixel is actually a tiny LED. For me that's fine, as long as its not blatant.
So then the best choice would probably be AMOLED that's good in sunlight aka super amoled.
Have you tried playing with the brightness in the sunlight?
I haven't actually experienced an amoled screen yet, but i would think that if you turned the brightness up to max it would like quite okay in the sun.
At least that's how my G1 (TFT LCD) was.
Thanks for the input btw!
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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isnt the supersonics screen a little brighter and more vibrant than the hd2? it sure seemed soo in the pictures and videos i saw
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I believe they are the same screen in both devices, but could be wrong. We'll have to wait until they can do a proper side by side with the exact same lightness settings.
A 4.3" Super AMOLED screen would be nice. I would never buy a phone with a bigger display than that, because it would become uncomfortable to use, and at that point, you might as well just buy a tablet.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are anti-glare protectors that help eliminate some of the glare by dispursing it better, but even then it's still pretty bad. The main issue is due to having no backlight like a TFT.
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I would suggest you have a screen that is defective if it has really noticeable colour deviations.
Obviously it's not a properly colour calibrated display, but everything looks perfectly natural on mine (skin tones etc), with no significant over saturation or hue shifts.
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No, there is nothing wrong with the colour calibration. Girlfriend has also got a Nexus and I have seen others and even on photos here on the internet you can see the unnatural colours of the screen.
Have a look at the first post where you can find the question, if it were true that the colours are unnatural referring to Engadget. And yes, the colours are unnatural. I like the Nexus, do not get me wrong, but I do not like the colours of AMOLED screens. They are awful.
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yeah, I'm a big outdoor guy and not looking forward to dealing with this screen outdoors....sucks.
Whatever happened to transflective technology...loved that on my old tilt.
Guys, aren't there screen cover/protectors that deflect or whatever and that make the screen readable in sunlight?
thanks
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There are definitely protectors that do that, but I don't like the feel of anything but glass on a touch screen.. That's just me though.
Hey I noticed in your sig that you have an iphone and nexus, how would you compare the two? The screen and everything else (you should make another thread for that though).
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Yeah, even with the Nexus One set to 100%, the readability is around the HD2 with 50-60% brightness outside. Thankfully it is only a problem in direct sunlight.
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Damn that's pretty bad, cause with the TFT on my G1 I always had to turn it up to max to get a decent display.
So assuming the HD2 is similar (same technology), then AMOLED must be pretty bad in sunlight.
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I don't have yet a N1 but I had the samsung Jet back in fall ,it had an amoled screen. It was quite good under sunlight,colors are washed out but you can clearly read SMS text or use the menu.
Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Lol, spy pics.
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I have the two available high-end android devices - the Milestone (GSM version of the Droid, though with non-unlockable bootloader :-( ) and the Nexus One.
The 'stone has a 854x480 TFT, and the N1 has an 800x480 AMOLED.
Inside, the N1 screen wins - it is incredibly bright, less battery hungry, and has notably better contrast. The Milestone is good, but the N1 is better.
Another N1 advantage is that, even though both screens are 3.7 inches, the milestone is taller and narrower in portrait mode, making the portrait-mode keyboard harder to use for those of us with freakishly-large hands.
Outside, however, it just isn't even close. The Milestone is the best color screen I've ever seen on a large screen phone under bright light. It is absolutely usable in bright sunlight - you can take photos, check out a youtube video, read your RSS feeds, tweets, maps, whatever with absolutely no problem at all. The N1 is almost unusable in direct sunlight - there is just too much glare from the substrate and touch layers. And if you are also wearing sunglasses, forget it, you can't see a thing. Even an iPhone 3GS or iPod Touch (3rd gen) are mush less readable in bright conditions than the Milestone.
Samsung's new S-AMOLED is meant to bond the touch layer into the AMOLED surface directly, taking out a glare / difraction / etc. layer, and making the screen good in bright light. I have my doubts that it will be as good as a strong TFT in those conditions, but we'll see. It will certainly be thinner, better indoors and less power hungry
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I know the AMOLED's are pretty great indoors, but when you say incredibly bright... If viewing late at night in bed for example, is it too bright even on the lowest setting?
I'd like a phone that can be very dim or very bright.
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From the start I could not understand the positive voices for the AMOLED display. I had a Galaxy and I hated it. Now I have the Nexus and I hate the UNNATURAL colours. They are ghastly! If I had the choice between a Nexus with TFT or AMOLED screen I would certainly pick a TFT.
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Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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i personally love it..the colors pop out they look gorgeous
Compared to TFT capacitive screens Amoled are less good under sunlight but they are still usable and certainly much more than HTC WM phones like Diamond and Touch HD
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@topdnbass
Have you compared side-by-side? I can't believe that they're THAT bad.
Yes, I have. I do it all the time, as I have still a G1 to compare the Nexus with. If it is "THAT bad" I can't say only that I do not like it and that I would certainly prefer a TFT if had the choice.
Why do you think did the guys from Engadget think the colours to be "unnatural"?
In the end it might not matter that much as it doesn't reduce the functions of the gadget. Other people might even like it, I do not.
S.
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You seem to put a lot of faith in what Engadget says. I'm not saying that everything is perfectly flat, but I have a few hundred perfectly-exposed photos from my Nikon D90, all taken with pro glass, on my Nexus, and the colors are not bad at all. They are, well, let's call them "well saturated", but nothing remotely unpleasant - to be honest, given the tiny screen (I take photos be be blown up BIG), the saturation is probably an advantage. And they look notably, even considerably better on the N1 than on an iPhone / iPod touch third-gen.
All of that is my opinion - and I like saturated colors. But I also like skin that still looks like skin, and the N1 delivers that to my eyes.
Gee, didn't I say that it is my opinion and that others might think differently? What you call saturated colours I call unnatural and for me and maybe only for me the colours are an eyesore, but I like the Nexus nevertheless.
big_adventure, you gave me a thought.
I think the best way to really compare these technologies is to have the same image of something, like a HQ picture of your skin.
On both of the phones.
Then compare the output to eachother and to the real life color of your skin.
I said to compare to eachother because a cameras snapshot can change the color, flash, settings, and what not.
Sounds stupid, but maybe what some people define as unnatural on a display, is actually quite natural.
Don't compare how the android OS looks, compare an image within the OS.
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Now playing games in summer at the beach at 12am...forget about it and try take spy pics of string gurls with your 5mp
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Well, if you are going to be wandering around a beach at midnight you probably won't run into too many girls to take pictures of. And they'd probably notice the flash going off so it wouldn't be much of a "spy shot".
(Edit: To be fair, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight mentions that am/pm by definition don't make any sense for noon and midnight and are thus often confused. But, the sources it quotes that do assign meaning to 12am and 12pm all seem to call 12am midnight and 12pm noon. It's probably why most of the parking signs in SF are now starting to use "12:01am" when they want to talk about late night street cleaning restrictions...that, and the fact that 12am is also ambiguous as to whether it refers to the start of a day or the end of a day...)
Hi All,
Newb to XDA forums tough I have been following quite a few of the development threads for weeks now (OC Kernel, Phiredrop ROM, Tablet Tweaks, etc...). First I must say I'm super impressed at all the development being done for the Nook Color, us NC owners are definitely blessed to have an active XDA community full of brilliant developers!
But here's my first question about the Nook Color, has anyone noticed that some Nook units have a whiter/brighter screen than others?
Long story short is I've gone through about 5 NC units bc of various problems and have noticed that two of the five units I've been sent so far have noticeably whiter and brighter screens than the other three. This is with the brightness setting set at the same level on each Nook. It might be a color temperature or RGB setting difference between them, but I have no clue how or why they would be different since they were all factory fresh units. Does anyone know if Barnes at some point changed color settings (within kernel?) or started using different IPS LCD parts during manufacturing at some point? I did notice that the two I had with whiter/brighter looking screens had serial numbers that started with 20111, while the others had SNs that started with 2010 or 20110. Maybe they made some settings or parts changes during the newer production runs?
I know a lot of you might be thinking I'm not judging them under the same lighting or that the brightness settings are set to different levels, but I assure you that I am placing them all next to each other and always set them to the same brightness level for comparison. Admittedly, I am a bit particular about how the quality and appearance of my LCD screens, but even my girlfriend who is not a big tech person can easily tell the difference between the screen by looking at them from a few feet away. She instantly picks out the one that has whiter whites and appears "brighter" (again with brightness set at the same level).
Of course if you don't have two of these units next to each other for comparison it might be hard to see the difference relative to one another, but I can assure you the screen whiteness differences are there between some units. Wondering if there is any way for us to control these settings via kernel changes or some other changes (color temp, hue, RGB)? My problem is that I currently have a perfect unit that has the dimmer screen, and a brighter unit that has a dead pixel and am trying to decide which I should keep and which I should return. I actually prefer the colors and appearance of the one with the whiter screen but get distracted knowing there is a dead pixel. So it's a tradeoff. However, if i know I can change the colors of the screen and make the good unit look whiter/brighter down the line, I will definitely keep that one.
Any thoughts/advice would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
anyway u can post a high def video of this? would help on what your seeing. my nookn color is def a lot yellower than my other devices. but never saw a nook that's whiter than the other
I can try to take a video tonight, but not entirely sure if the color/brightness differences will be captured on the video but i'll give it a shot.
I tried not to use the term "yellow" in my initial post since whiteness level is relative, but that's basically how my gf described it - "That one looks yellower than that other."
yeah, i find whites on my nook very "yellowish" compared to my phone.
too bad there's no settings to change the color temperature on the nook.
Actually, that was one of my questions. Is there any way to change the color temperature of the Nook LCD screen or something along that line via the kernel? I have no clue about kernel parameters, but was hoping someone like Dalingrin, the resident kernel guru, might be able to answer this question? I think I've seen some ppl create apps to update color settings in the kernal for android phones.
I have an NC with serial number started 2004, which has very beautiful screen, but just three dead pixels. so I called B&N to have a replacement, and yesterday, the new one arrived (serial number 20112..). When I have both devices sitting next to each other, I can instantly tell the new one is VERY VERY yellowish (or say, the color is way too warm).
I have to call B&N to have another replacement, and the representative told me the yellowish is a known issue, though happen rarely. My personal experience can tell that even the newer devices may still have the yellowish problem.
There goes my theory about newer serial numbers. Have no clue why some units are yellowish and some a nice white then. But so far out of all the units i've got the ones that had whiter screens all seemed to either have dead pixels or some dirt or other particles stuck underneath the glass, and the ones with the yellowish screen seem to have no other screen defects. Probably luck of the draw, but I've got some pretty bad luck so far then. Love the NC, but I'm thinking the quality assurance is pretty shabby at this point.
RL_Droid said:
Long story short is I've gone through about 5 NC units bc of various problems....
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Sorry if this is OT, but this is the part of your post that most caught my attention. What the hell are you doing to those poor Nooks? ;-)
But seriously--what the hell?
Lol... as mentioned, two had dead pixels one of them the pixel were dead center, one had dirt under the glass, another had a loose back and a yellowish screen. Now trying to decide which of the two I have left to keep. The one with one dead pixel on the right side but a white screen, and the other that has a yellowish screen but no other issues at all.
I hear u with the yellow tint. had this next to my bros Ipad 2. and the nook was embarrasingly yellow. and my apple fan boi bro said it looks like a macaroni n cheese screen.
Our first had a definite "yellow" tint to it. VERY hard to notice, but I seem to notice every imperfection. Exchanged it and the second looked better. A friend of mine bought one and it had the same yellowish tint. Doesn't bother him though. Says he doesn't see it.
Are you running the stock rom/kernel? I know on CM7 there's definitely a more yellowish tone to the screen than on Nookie Froyo or the stock rom.
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Lol... as mentioned, two had dead pixels one of them the pixel were dead center, one had dirt under the glass, another had a loose back and a yellowish screen. Now trying to decide which of the two I have left to keep. The one with one dead pixel on the right side but a white screen, and the other that has a yellowish screen but no other issues at all.
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Didn't realize there was such inconsistencies with the NCs regarding color temp until I read this thread. Without being able to compare screens I have no problems with mine as it seems pretty good to me, serial 2010xx dated Feb 2011.
I guess I was lucky that the one I bought had a good screen without a single dead pixel. That was the only thing I checked as it was the most important thing to me. Couldn't care less about any other cosmetic issues. Build quality was better than I expected for something of this price, but recently the left side of the bezel has started to creak annoyingly when I hold it.
Definitely can't compare to those tablets twice it's price. But AFAIC, it works very well and with the phenomenal dev support, a Nook running CM7/OC can't be beat.
If I were you, I'd return the one with dead pixel. Built into CM7 there is "Render effect". Besides the night modes, there are some basic calibaration profiles in there. Maybe one of them might make your screen a bit "whiter".
edit: I just checked and it seems all the N1 profiles made my screen seem warmer. I suppose a few more profiles can be implemented, perhaps you should start a petition to the devs?
Hey guys,
I already mentioned this in the German thread, however it may concern a couple of more people.
I just received my replacement. The reason I ordered one was I got 2-3 tiny little bright spots close to the top right corner on the display. Exactly they are located on the opposite side of the back camera. These pixels are brighter than all others. Though the spots are very tiny you can notice them e.g. if I look closely at the Google search bar on your home screen. It's not that they are disturbing me but I feel on a new device there should not be such issues. You never know how far this is going to get.
So, the today's device is made in Jan 2013 and it has the same spots. I want to ask if anyone of you has the same issue. Just download a pixel test app ( e.g. Dead Pixel Test by Ossibus Software) and look at that area at different angles and colors. I attached a picture to get a better feeling of what I mean.
Max
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me_max said:
Hey guys,
I already mentioned this in the German thread, however it may concern a couple of more people.
I just received my replacement. The reason I ordered one was I got 2-3 tiny little bright spots close to the top right corner on the display. Exactly they are located on the opposite side of the back camera. These pixels are brighter than all others. Though the spots are very tiny you can notice them e.g. if I look closely at the Google search bar on your home screen. It's not that they are disturbing me but I feel on a new device there should not be such issues. You never know how far this is going to get.
So, the today's device is made in Jan 2013 and it has the same spots. I want to ask if anyone of you has the same issue. Just download a pixel test app ( e.g. Dead Pixel Test by Ossibus Software) and look at that area at different angles and colors. I attached a picture to get a better feeling of what I mean.
Max
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Sometimes it is better not to go looking for these tiny flaws as often we find them.
LCD panels do have flaws, and a certain number will leave the factory with some broken pixels, some good information here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defective_pixel
Some applications claim to fix these pixels by flashing the screen with lots of colours, and they seem to work for some people, typically however the pixels are intermittently broken and would have probably just started working anyway!
Manufacturers of LCD panels let a certain amount of screens through with broken pixels simply because otherwise they would be throwing too many away and so their cost would be considerably higher.
I'm not sure if yours are broken pixels however. How are you seeing these? If you are cranking the brightness up to full and viewing a dark colour you can often see tiny pin holes of light, and this is just tiny flaws in the filters which are so thinly applied tiny breaks happen, which you wouldn't see in typical use. You'll never find a screen 100% perfect if it is this you are seeing.
What do you see if you have a dark black background and the phone on normal brightness? Pixels stuck in the "on" position would be very clearly visible. On a white background stuck "off" pixels would be clearly visible, either by showing a tiny black dot, or typically a dot of a different colour.
If you can't notice them in typical use, just don't go looking for them :good:
If they are stuck pixels you have been unlucky, and the only option is another RMA.
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Phil
Had a "hot pixel" almost in the same place as yours when I got the phone is December. RMAed it and the replacement is looking good now.
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Sometimes it is better not to go looking for these tiny flaws as often we find them.
Regards
Phil
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This is good advice. My last 4 phones (captivate, atrix, gnex and N4) all had some kind of defect with the screen. Captivate had slight burn in, atrix and gnex had black spots that can be seen with brightness on lowest in dark room and my N4 has minor screen bleed under the camera.
Its not hard to find problems with LCDs if you look close enough but none of the defects i had could be seen with normal usage so i didnt bother to return them. There is a chance that you will get a replacement with worst defects not to mention all the hassle of having to do a rma. But then again this is xda where people freak out when they see a scratch on the screen.
PhilipL said:
I'm not sure if yours are broken pixels however. How are you seeing these? If you are cranking the brightness up to full and viewing a dark colour you can often see tiny pin holes of light, and this is just tiny flaws in the filters which are so thinly applied tiny breaks happen, which you wouldn't see in typical use. You'll never find a screen 100% perfect if it is this you are seeing.
What do you see if you have a dark black background and the phone on normal brightness? Pixels stuck in the "on" position would be very clearly visible. On a white background stuck "off" pixels would be clearly visible, either by showing a tiny black dot, or typically a dot of a different colour.
If you can't notice them in typical use, just don't go looking for them :good:
If they are stuck pixels you have been unlucky, and the only option is another RMA.
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Phil
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Thanks, mate.
When it's black I only see light bleeding from the top. Therefore, they are not dead. I believe, during the manufacturing process a layer behind the the pixel gets damaged. I filed for another replacement. However, I don't think it'll get better.
My HTC One screen seems to have some kind of mesh of faint diagonal lines running across the entire screen. It's kinda hard to explain, but basically when I look at the screen up close, it looks like the background of the Steam Android icon (see attachment). The lines are especially noticeable against light, single-coloured backgrounds; for example if I go to phone settings, look at the screen up close and slowly slide up and down, the lines become apparent since they do not move along with the rest of the graphics. The lines appear to be above the actual screen but below the glass surface. It almost seems like there's some kind of crappy screen protector on the screen or that the screen was somewhat dirty with fingerprints. I should also mention that the lines do not rotate with the screen; in portrait mode, they run from the top right of the screen to the bottom left, and in landscape mode from the top left to the bottom right.
Anyone encounter something like this before? I would probably think this was normal, that I'm just seeing the pixel array when I look at the screen up close, except that I never noticed lines like these on my previous One (which I returned due to several stuck pixels) even though I scoured the screen very closely.
I want to return the phone and get a new one, but I'm worried that they won't believe or see the issue at the store...
Mr. Me Too
I am typing this on a day old HTC One with this very issue. I've been surprised not to see any other mention of it, evidently it's either a rare fault or simply inherent to this digitiser and somehow nobody is noticing or bothered by it.
I've been agonising over the choice between this phone and the S4, I eventually settled for this and haven't had such buyers remorse in memory.
The screen is not only washed, more than I was expecting upon my return to LCD, but as you say it looks as though it is wet, covered in condensation or fingerprints. The overall effect resembles almost exactly the distortion you get from condensation caused by breath or sweat on the glass.
When looking closely it reveals itself as the diagonal lines of the digitiser as you describe.
It seems to cause the 'wet' or noisy colour distortion by being half darker stripes, and half naked. Almost like a micro version of reinforced safety glass.
If this is the nature of the HTC One, I would find it both surprising and in fact laughable.
However it is too precise in nature to be a fault or defect.
At this stage I'm planning on a swap for an S4 (albeit not for this reason alone, but that's another thread).
I did have some difficulty explaining and demonstrating the effect to the salesperson, and felt silly even talking about something so minute.
However - fat ugly bezel, washed colours and grey blacks aside - this is a flaw that completely ruins the display and therefore the phone itself for me.
I imagine this thread is DOA, if not let me know how you got on. It's an incredible relief to at least find one person who also noticed this and found it to be a problem.
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I am typing this on a day old HTC One with this very issue. I'this een surprised not to see any other mention of it, evidently it's either a rare fault or simply inherent to this digitiser and somehow nobody is noticing or bothered by it.
I've been agonising over the choice between this phone and the S4, I eventually settled for this and haven't had such buyers remorse in memory.
The screen is not only washed, more than I was expecting upon my return to LCD, but as you say it looks as though it is wet, covered in condensation or fingerprints. The overall effect resembles almost exactly the distortion you get from condensation caused by breath or sweat on the glass.
When looking closely it reveals itself as the diagonal lines of the digitiser as you describe.
It seems to cause the 'wet' or noisy colour distortion by being half darker stripes, and half naked. Almost like a micro version of reinforced safety glass.
If this is the nature of the HTC One, I would find it both surprising and in fact laughable.
However it is too precise in nature to be a fault or defect.
At this stage I'm planning on a swap for an S4 (albeit not for this reason alone, but that's another thread).
I did have some difficulty explaining and demonstrating the effect to the salesperson, and felt silly even talking about something so minute.
However - fat ugly bezel, washed colours and grey blacks aside - this is a flaw that completely ruins the display and therefore the phone itself for me.
I imagine this thread is DOA, if not let me know how you got on. It's an incredible relief to at least find one person who also noticed this and found it to be a problem.
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It happens. It's the digitizer and happens on phones where the LCD and Digitizer are one piece. It isn't as big of a deal as you're making it though.
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that steam icon photo in post one, the diagonal lines are part of the photo, they show on my notebook on the play store.
John.
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It isn't as big of a deal as you're making it though.
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Yes - it is.
These companies are charging iPhone prices for phones they claim compete with them. Only Samsung have so far proven themselves in this regard.
I'm not about to pay flagship prices for what feels like an 8 year old phone pasted onto the front of a slab of aluminum.
Almost every review has touted this display as gorgeous, 'the best they've ever seen on a smartphone!' - that's bull***t, it's trash.
Seemingly there's a reason HTC is on it's way out - putting a Nokia candy-bar phone on a piece of shiny metal isn't going to change that.
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My HTC One screen seems to have some kind of mesh of faint diagonal lines running across the entire screen. It's kinda hard to explain, but basically when I look at the screen up close, it looks like the background of the Steam Android icon (see attachment). The lines are especially noticeable against light, single-coloured backgrounds; for example if I go to phone settings, look at the screen up close and slowly slide up and down, the lines become apparent since they do not move along with the rest of the graphics. The lines appear to be above the actual screen but below the glass surface. It almost seems like there's some kind of crappy screen protector on the screen or that the screen was somewhat dirty with fingerprints. I should also mention that the lines do not rotate with the screen; in portrait mode, they run from the top right of the screen to the bottom left, and in landscape mode from the top left to the bottom right.
Anyone encounter something like this before? I would probably think this was normal, that I'm just seeing the pixel array when I look at the screen up close, except that I never noticed lines like these on my previous One (which I returned due to several stuck pixels) even though I scoured the screen very closely.
I want to return the phone and get a new one, but I'm worried that they won't believe or see the issue at the store...
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If you ever want to return a phone to tmobile, just tell them it's stuck in a reboot cycle and sometimes it's not. If you have an issue like the screen and they might not see the problem you see and therefore not take it back. It's better to tell them you have an issue that can't always be displayed. Like your phone just keeps rebooting, keeps turning off. I have done this many times just to return my phone.
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Almost every review has touted this display as gorgeous, 'the best they've ever seen on a smartphone!'
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It really is. Why else would most people, whose job it is to review phones, say this if it weren't true?
Maybe HTC paid off all the reviewers. Or maybe you've convinced yourself there is a problem when there isn't.
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If it look like a troll and smells like a troll, then it`s a troll, poster 1 and 2 have a virtually no-existent post count, and seem just to want to bash the HTC One.
Yeah I have the time and inclination to bash a phone I just bought for myself.
XDA is almost entirely made up of boards segmented into fanboy groups who serve as nothing but a broom to sweep any perceived criticisms of their devices under the proverbial rug.
I have a low post count because I've just bought the phone and am disappointed enough to discuss it.
HOLD UP GUIS LET ME SIGN TWO-YEAR SO THAT I CAN GO STRAIGHT HOME TO XDA AND BASH IT UNNECESSARILY!
F***ing lol.
The screen is awful by 2013 flagship standards.
No I don't think reviewers are paid off directly because I'm clearly not as simple minded as the pubescent pizza faces on this board.
Reviewers are wined and dined one way or another by the industry as a whole and wouldn't dare be overall negative about a brand or phone lest they stop receiving review units or invitations to press events.
The way genuine concern and criticism is shouted down and borderline stigmatised on this board is juvenile and pathetic. The irony of you considering us trolls when seemingly you're the ones with far too much free time, imagination, and lack of time spent outside of the womb.
The lines on the screen are normal. It's on mines and a friend's.
I only see it when holding the screen at an angle after turning the display off. It's just a funny little thing that's there. When the screen is being used it looks amazing!
I woukdnt take it back over a little thing like that. It's not broken...
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You're all thinking of the horizontal bars visible behind the glass when the screen is off etc.
This is different. It's fine diagonal lines at a 45 degree angle that are constantly visible and affect the look of the screen at all times.
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You're all thinking of the horizontal bars visible behind the glass when the screen is off etc.
This is different. It's fine diagonal lines at a 45 degree angle that are constantly visible and affect the look of the screen at all times.
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So you knew we were thinking of something else then still decided to bash everyone here as a fanboy and proclaim your internet superiority? Pathetic. If it's not the digitizer then get an RMA. Is it that hard?
lol XDA basement dwellers
It was the digitiser. Yawn at all of you, please go outside or at least bathe.
Too bad this happened:
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I am typing this on a day old HTC One with this very issue. I've been surprised not to see any other mention of it, evidently it's either a rare fault or simply inherent to this digitiser and somehow nobody is noticing or bothered by it.
I've been agonising over the choice between this phone and the S4, I eventually settled for this and haven't had such buyers remorse in memory.
The screen is not only washed, more than I was expecting upon my return to LCD, but as you say it looks as though it is wet, covered in condensation or fingerprints. The overall effect resembles almost exactly the distortion you get from condensation caused by breath or sweat on the glass.
When looking closely it reveals itself as the diagonal lines of the digitiser as you describe.
It seems to cause the 'wet' or noisy colour distortion by being half darker stripes, and half naked. Almost like a micro version of reinforced safety glass.
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Yes, this sounds exactly like the ones on my screen! Glad to hear I'm not the only one experiencing this.
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It happens. It's the digitizer and happens on phones where the LCD and Digitizer are one piece. It isn't as big of a deal as you're making it though.
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Like I mentioned in the OP, this was my second HTC One since I returned my first One due to several stuck pixels on the screen. The first one did not have these diagonal lines, as a result of which the screen looked much better than on the second One. Before returning my second One, I also went to the store and compared my One to a demo unit side by side, and the demo unit did not have this issue.
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that steam icon photo in post one, the diagonal lines are part of the photo, they show on my notebook on the play store.
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I know that. I only posted the icon to give some idea of the issue since I wasn't sure I was explaining it adequately. I never meant that there was something wrong with the Steam icon,
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If it look like a troll and smells like a troll, then it`s a troll, poster 1 and 2 have a virtually no-existent post count, and seem just to want to bash the HTC One.
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I apologise for my looks and smell, but I am no troll. I loved the HTC One for the brief period I was able to use before returning it.
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The lines on the screen are normal. It's on mines and a friend's.
I only see it when holding the screen at an angle after turning the display off. It's just a funny little thing that's there. When the screen is being used it looks amazing!
I woukdnt take it back over a little thing like that. It's not broken...
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This is a different issue. The lines I'm describing are only visible when the screen is on.
Shortly after creating this thread, I returned my second HTC One to the store I bought it from and they sent it to HTC for servicing. It came back two weeks later with a service report saying that they had replaced one of the speakers and the SIM tray, despite the fact that I never experienced nor reported any issues with either. When I turned the phone on, I immediately noticed that the screen was exactly the same, the diagonal lines were still present. I commented about this to the salesperson and he also noticed the lines right away. He then suggested that the phone be sent back to HTC again with a more detailed explanation of the issue and apologised that the issue had not been resolved. That was a week ago, and I'm still waiting to hear back.
I'm not mad at HTC, phones can be defective and it seems that this is a rare issue. I am, however, somewhat annoyed by the fact that they replaced a speaker and the sim tray but did nothing to the screen, but hopefully they'll have a closer look at the screen this time around.
OK, now I am getting a bit mad. My phone just got back from its second two-week trip to HTC's service centre in Poland and the screen issue still hasn't been fixed. Instead, the service report says that two speaker components were swapped. This is the second time I sent my phone to them for servicing because the SCREEN is defective and the second time they mess around with SPEAKERS even though I have at no point indicated that there are any problems with the speakers. The guy at the store proved useless, his only suggestion being that they send the phone back to HTC a third time. He did, however, see the problem with the screen after I explained it to him. So I guess I have no choice but to send the phone back again and wait another two weeks for HTC to mess around with the speakers instead of actually fixing the damn screen.
So yeah, the HTC One is a great phone if you happen to get your hands on a unit that works as intended. So far I've been unable to do that.
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It was the digitiser. Yawn at all of you, please go outside or at least bathe.
Too bad this happened:
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You're all thinking of the horizontal bars visible behind the glass when the screen is off etc.
This is different. It's fine diagonal lines at a 45 degree angle that are constantly visible and affect the look of the screen at all times.
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First you agree and then you come back, contradicting yourself and resort to insults? Gee.
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If it look like a troll and smells like a troll, then it`s a troll, poster 1 and 2 have a virtually no-existent post count, and seem just to want to bash the HTC One.
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that steam icon photo in post one, the diagonal lines are part of the photo, they show on my notebook on the play store.
John.
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Calm down, Tinderbox.
I'd like to know if anyone else is having this issue as well.
Here's an image of my first Nexus 6 (top) and the RMA replacement (bottom): http://i.imgur.com/wNbgFo1.jpg
As you can see, my first N6 had a pink tint across the whole screen which is why I initiated the RMA. While the replacement is better, there's still a red tint to the right half (bottom half in portrait). Actually looking at both, the reddest tints are in the right half.
I also have some bands that are dimmer than the rest of the screen which is very noticabke when scrolling but not so much if looking at a static picture.
It seems these really are using Note 3 Samsung AMOLED panels because the same complaints were posted on another thread last year.
Both devices were manufactured 11/12 if that makes any difference.
I'm just wondering how common of an issue this is. I don't think I'll RMA again for awhile as I'm just taking up devices that should be going towards fulfilling orders and my replacement is serviceable. But considering the price, I really expected better and I don't think I can stomach the flaw.
You answered your question (the very end statement). I can't really see what you're trying to show in the picture as everyone see's colors differently and not all phone displays/pc monitors are color calibrated in the same ways. GL finding the right display for your tastes. They all have compromises albeit some less than others
You don't have to have a calibrated screen to tell that the top screen is darker than the bottom screen. It's also not hard to tell that the left is lit brighter than the right on both. Whether you see pink or not may be arbitrary but that's why I put it in the description.
My original question of if anyone else is having that issue is not answered just because I found a thread on a year old phone that may or may not be using the same panel Would prefer if other owners chimed in so I don't waste my time RMAing if it's unavoidable.
But thanks for the reply.
I have the same problem, the upper part of the screen has a pink Tint and it's bugging the hell out of me, but since i've had my friend bring it with him while coming back from USA, i'm obligated to swallow up whatever defects i find in it
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You don't have to have a calibrated screen to tell that the top screen is darker than the bottom screen. It's also not hard to tell that the left is lit brighter than the right on both. Whether you see pink or not may be arbitrary but that's why I put it in the description.
My original question of if anyone else is having that issue is not answered just because I found a thread on a year old phone that may or may not be using the same panel Would prefer if other owners chimed in so I don't waste my time RMAing if it's unavoidable.
But thanks for the reply.
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My mistake. In your picture it looks like the right side of both screens is a little darker than the left.
That said, and you don't have to answer these I'm just thinking out loud here, what were your camera settings when you took the picture? What camera did you use? What screen brightness was each display set to? Could the ambient lighting in the room have affected the photo results? Could there have been inconsistencies in the results caused by the angle of the photograph taken? Those are a few of the variables that I can think of that could skew what we're all looking at.
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My mistake. In your picture it looks like the right side of both screens is a little darker than the left.
That said, and you don't have to answer these I'm just thinking out loud here, what were your camera settings when you took the picture? What camera did you use? What screen brightness was each display set to? Could the ambient lighting in the room have affected the photo results? Could there have been inconsistencies in the results caused by the angle of the photograph taken? Those are a few of the variables that I can think of that could skew what we're all looking at.
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I used a Sony NEX-5R Mirrorless DSLR. I probably didn't use the best settings (automatic with manual focus) but I was kind of in a rush to get the old one out to UPS to get the CC hold for the new one to drop off. I didn't use any special lighting, just natural day time lighting. I think the pics are pretty representative of how tinted they were though because the old one was very red heavy everywhere. I should have taken additional pictures of the home screen to compare. On the default background, the new one looks turquoisish but the old one was dark blue.
Brightness was at 50% for both and I believe I had adaptive brightness turned off. Either way it was light up much brighter than I keep it at day to day (I usually have it at 25% at most with adaptive brightness on). If I had to compare the pictures to the actual devices I'd say the camera didn't pick up enough of the red tint. So in person, it's much more red and much more obvious.
But honestly, I don't care that much about the tint as much as I do the uniformity. I can live with an all yellow tint or an all red tint if it was consistent across the whole screen. I'm sure a custom kernel will come out at some point with gamma calibration so I can adjust as I please. But the way it is, the top half of the display looks brighter than the bottom half. The easiest way to see this is by setting the keyboard to Material Dark and putting the phone in landscape. The left side of the kb will look greenish grey and the right looks darker purpleish grey.
I've not heard anything about this issue. Maybe one or 2 posts on here and reddit regarding banding. Everyone else says their screens are perfect. I was hoping people would share their pictures so I can tell if I got 2 bad screens or if they're all like that and most people just don't care.
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I used a Sony NEX-5R Mirrorless DSLR. I probably didn't use the best settings (automatic with manual focus) but I was kind of in a rush to get the old one out to UPS to get the CC hold for the new one to drop off. I didn't use any special lighting, just natural day time lighting. I think the pics are pretty representative of how tinted they were though because the old one was very red heavy everywhere. I should have taken additional pictures of the home screen to compare. On the default background, the new one looks turquoisish but the old one was dark blue.
Brightness was at 50% for both and I believe I had adaptive brightness turned off. Either way it was light up much brighter than I keep it at day to day (I usually have it at 25% at most with adaptive brightness on). If I had to compare the pictures to the actual devices I'd say the camera didn't pick up enough of the red tint. So in person, it's much more red and much more obvious.
But honestly, I don't care that much about the tint as much as I do the uniformity. I can live with an all yellow tint or an all red tint if it was consistent across the whole screen. I'm sure a custom kernel will come out at some point with gamma calibration so I can adjust as I please. But the way it is, the top half of the display looks brighter than the bottom half. The easiest way to see this is by setting the keyboard to Material Dark and putting the phone in landscape. The left side of the kb will look greenish grey and the right looks darker purpleish grey.
I've not heard anything about this issue. Maybe one or 2 posts on here and reddit regarding banding. Everyone else says their screens are perfect. I was hoping people would share their pictures so I can tell if I got 2 bad screens or if they're all like that and most people just don't care.
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I hear ya. The uniformity, or non, would bother me too
Welcome to the world of amoled. .lol The note 4 has same issue.Replaced 3 times still have pink/purple hue..If u test this image out with brightness turned down a bit you'll see darker area's on display that's causing the issue.
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Welcome to the world of amoled. .lol The note 4 has same issue.Replaced 3 times still have pink/purple hue..If u test this image out with brightness turned down a bit you'll see darker area's on display that's causing the issue.
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I can see the light / dark difference in the screen with that image, but it doesn't bother me across such a dark background because it still looks grey all over (just to different degrees). I actually find that it's much worse with light backgrounds because it doesn't look all white or light grey. The darker parts are always pinkish. It also doesn't help that Lollipop is all about white screens everywhere either
Also found out that I don't qualify for the extended holiday return, so I have until Friday to return it for a refund. I guess I'll be calling for device #3 earlier than expected and crossing my fingers.
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I can see the light / dark difference in the screen with that image, but it doesn't bother me across such a dark background because it still looks grey all over (just to different degrees). I actually find that it's much worse with light backgrounds because it doesn't look all white or light grey. The darker parts are always pinkish. It also doesn't help that Lollipop is all about white screens everywhere either
Also found out that I don't qualify for the extended holiday return, so I have until Friday to return it for a refund. I guess I'll be calling for device #3 earlier than expected and crossing my fingers.
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My note 4 looks similar to ur replacement device, the first 2 were really bad,half of bottom was really pink,2nd one the top half was really pink..This one I'm learning to deal with,it just blew my mind last night while laying down in dark messing with wallpapers and noticed all the uneven darkness on dark grey image,dark area's and faint vertical lines everywere.It appears it's from uneven distribution of glue.
I dislike the warm color on mines. Nothing is perfect, there's always something to disliked
Just wanted to toss in my 2 cents. I have had two Nexus 6 devices now, both with discoloration. Both are from ATT. The first device was darker to lighter, from left to right. Current device is darker on top, and lighter on the bottom. It is really frustrating because I love the size, and the screen is great in terms of resolution.
I am thinking about taking this one back as well and returning it. I have never had problems on my smaller devices. It bugs the crap out of me that I can tell the difference, mainly on lighter backgrounds. I don't think I can live with this phone for a year. Waiting on the M8 GPE to get lollipop might be a better solution for me.
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Just wanted to toss in my 2 cents. I have had two Nexus 6 devices now, both with discoloration. Both are from ATT. The first device was darker to lighter, from left to right. Current device is darker on top, and lighter on the bottom. It is really frustrating because I love the size, and the screen is great in terms of resolution.
I am thinking about taking this one back as well and returning it. I have never had problems on my smaller devices. It bugs the crap out of me that I can tell the difference, mainly on lighter backgrounds. I don't think I can live with this phone for a year. Waiting on the M8 GPE to get lollipop might be a better solution for me.
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Do you recall what the build date for both phones were? Not sure if it matters but couldn't hurt to collect that info.
I just called for RMA #2. Hoping it's at least not worse than the one I have now. I think I'm in agreement with you regarding just returning it and waiting until next year, but I already gave the Nexus 5 to my wife so I'd be downgrading the Nexus 4 she had before that...ouch.
Assuming the date under the sequence number on the box is manufacture date, this one looks like 11/17/14. I didn't think to check out the original device build date, but it shipped 11/18/14 from ATT online and I received it 11/20/14.
I have had my current one now for a day, Moto and ATT claim devices shipping currently shouldn't have screen issues, although my issue is different than the screen not turning on, or flickering.
I was so ready for a big phone, I am still within my 14 day return period, and I'm wondering if I should try this again to see if I can get a good one.
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Assuming the date under the sequence number on the box is manufacture date, this one looks like 11/17/14. I didn't think to check out the original device build date, but it shipped 11/18/14 from ATT online and I received it 11/20/14.
I have had my current one now for a day, Moto and ATT claim devices shipping currently shouldn't have screen issues, although my issue is different than the screen not turning on, or flickering.
I was so ready for a big phone, I am still within my 14 day return period, and I'm wondering if I should try this again to see if I can get a good one.
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Hi All,
I'm coming in late but I just got my Nexus 6 from AT&T last night. I've been using an N5 since may and haven't had any issues. I noticed this morning when opening Hangouts, Chrome or any other page that displays white as the background that on the top it has a more greenish hue and towards the bottom right it has a purplish hue. I thought it was my eyes at first because it's subtle but when I'm paying 700.00 for a device it better have a perfect screen. So I played around with the adaptive brightness, rotated it etc. It didn't look any less green to purplish. The bottom right side of the phone in portrait (to the right or the charging port in portrait at any given appropriate angle) had a more purplish hue than the top left (opposing the camera). I'll probably be going back to at&t tonight .. which sucks because I JUST got it set up how I liked it. I hate rooting anymore which is why I buy GPE devices. I could have gone with any other device and rooted and may have to get back into that game if this is how crappy this display is going to be. Also I might add that the encryption does slow the device down a little bit compared to the N5.
P.S. Ignore my sig, I need to update that..
For mine (bought from tmo) the bottom is slightly darker than the top. I only noticed when looking hard for the "link" issue. Out of all the issues I could have had, I find this the least annoying of them.
Over all I'm happy.
I just got my Nexus 6 direct from Google (one of the lucky ones) and for the first time ever, a phone screen is really bugging me. There is a tint, darker from left to right. The most expensive Nexus I've ever bought (and I've bought them all) and the worst display. Very sad.
Here's some images, one with contrast as it was hard to photograph. Much more noticeable to the naked eye.
Does anyone NOT have this issue? If so I'd rather take the chance on replacing it.
Update: Returning it for a replacement. Google kindly gave me $10 credit for the troubles.
I received my replacement. The screen seems perfect. No gradient. There are definitely some defunct ones out there, beware. Mine is going back now. I hope you don't get it.
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I received my replacement. The screen seems perfect. No gradient. There are definitely some defunct ones out there, beware. Mine is going back now. I hope you don't get it.
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Look for it... there are no perfect phones hahaha.
But congrats if you don't get annoyed with your new phone :good: