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Disclaimer: everything discussed here is for educational purpose only etc...
OK, so from June 12 this Hell act will take effect in UK, and downloading Torrents etc will become difficult, as ISPs to disclose details of customers who repeatedly infringe copyright, with a possible fine of £250,000 for non-compliance and requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement as well as disconnecting users from Internet etc...
more info @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act_2010
so, we all know we download Music and TV series etc...
how are we gonna protect our self from this ACT ?
Encryption is one idea, but encryption have to be done on both sides of the connection so this could be tricky....
any thought on the issue ?
Such ideas are preposterous, as they simply bypass Global Internet Neutrality.
IP-Spoofs and Proxies will always HELP protect the user, but the easiest way to prevent "being caught" if you're doing something you legally should not be, is to create a Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access, plus, if "Big Brother" were to kick down your door... Most Protected Virtual Machines (Example:: Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology) can take several months or years to "break into" for data... unless of course, you have the Key RIGHT THERE in hands reach.
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Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology) can take several months or years to "break into" for data...
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I'm not sure but aren't law enforcements have some sort of agreement with MS to have backdoor in to windows and BitLocker or something ? (maybe just a roomer i heard somewhere)
with IP-spoofing and Proxies, would that still not be traceable ? and also sow down connection badly ?
i mean when i in Russia i don't use any sort of proxies or anything just download things if Rapidshare and Pirate Bay as it is and i get good 1 or 2MB/s most of the time,
but in UK even now the Uni giving me the headache with their firewalls and WebSence...
i have to RDP all my downloads back in Russia and then send them as files to myself on like Microsoft Skydrive and other online hostings that Uni dosent block (Rapidshare and Depositfiles, iFolder are all blocked)
next year mm no longer living on campus and will have my own network contract with ISP and this D.E.2010ACT
worry me... I'm mean i on average download 30 - 40GB a week, that just on torrents...
one idea is to there a way to encrypt and tunnel all the Traffic form UK PC to Russia and back so ISP see nothing at all just flow of Encrypted data ? and how this can be achieved ?
and also what are the Chances of PirateBay and Utorrent incorporating some sort of Privacy features to it ? like utorrent have encryption but initial connection is still open
Well, honestly, due to Privacy Laws, unless a Windows User is a KNOWN convict, thief, or pedofile, allowing Law Enforcement backdoor access to ALL Windows Users is, again, violating Net Neutrality AND ones Privacy. Anyone and EVERYONE can be "violated" via malware.. and have their PC/Laptop turned into a Server for hosting & sharing illegal content, so there are SEVERAL conflicting issues with this.. atleast in the US. [As the user is not at fault. Their security software would be.] The same reason that most Professionals against the Digital Economy Act worry about Open Access Points.
And for Encrypting & Tunneling traffic, torrent sites, as well as other file sharing sites, would have to incorporate Server-Side Security. Massive 128 bit or even 256 bit encryption. Also, the user, us, would have to mirror the security methods these sites are using. So it would cause a "Worm Hole" through Internet Traffic Space.. thus making it look like the downloaded files came from no-where, and went no-where.
Such security and encryption methods could require several man-hours to "Up-Hold" as well as Maintain. So such an act could cause either Global Domain Dominance or the death of sites we all enjoy today.
AgentZach, I think you might want to brush up on your english skills. In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand. But I digress. Most of the law isn't all that bad, however, I'm troubled by this, "the requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement[4]." That could be a real issue. As for backdoor access, I'm pretty damn sure that violates multiple laws, plus how the hell would microsoft know what only you know?
Well, honestly, due to Privacy Laws, unless a Windows User is a KNOWN convict, thief, or pedofile, allowing Law Enforcement backdoor access to ALL Windows Users is, again, violating Net Neutrality AND ones Privacy
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How exactly does accessing someones files violate net neutrality law? It doesn't even currently exist, thanks to our beloved Bush administration, net neutrality is treating all traffic equally. Plus, even being a known criminal does not give law enforcement the right to search your personal things without a warrant of some fashion.
TLDR:
Don't use torrents without a vpn. ..Or the internet.
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AgentZach, I think you might want to brush up on your english skills. In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand. But I digress. Most of the law isn't all that bad, however, I'm troubled by this, "the requirement that ISPs block access to sites that allow "substantial" infringement[4]." That could be a real issue. As for backdoor access, I'm pretty damn sure that violates multiple laws, plus how the hell would microsoft know what only you know?
How exactly does accessing someones files violate net neutrality law? It doesn't even currently exist, thanks to our beloved Bush administration, net neutrality is treating all traffic equally. Plus, even being a known criminal does not give law enforcement the right to search your personal things without a warrant of some fashion.
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Don't use torrents without a vpn. ..Or the internet.
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GTFO. Who signs up just to be a smartass?
Plus, your TLDR didn't do anything except sum up what he was saying. With a tad bit of extra stupidity.
Oh, English IS ment to be capitalized. How are you going to insult someone's English and miss the most important word in the sentence. Rofflecakes.
In no way is "Server" meant to be capitalized, among other clear mistakes that make you impossible to understand.
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In no way is "server" (don't reinvent the mistake, that's just sloppy) meant to be capitalized, and among with other clear mistakes, you are impossible to understand. (You didn't accidentally the whole thing, did you?)
I could go on, but you get the picture. Don't insult until you have the grounds to do so.
@ r3s-rt: Thanks for putting your boot up his/her ass.
I admit, I was half asleep when I typed that up... as it was 3AM my time, and I had a long Mothers Day with my family. I expected flaws, but as long as my main points were said correctly, "spelling & capitalization correct or not - sorry Adolf" I think I've shard my opinion.
The important thing is: Users, who intend to break the law on the internet, must lose their solo dependency for Security Suite software, and start learning how encryption and Virtual Private Networks work, as a whole. It's not only their ass they'll be saving. They'll be saving all of the rest of a torrents "seeders" who haven't stepped-up their games yet...
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@ r3s-rt: Thanks for putting your boot up his/her ass.
I admit, I was half asleep when I typed that up... as it was 3AM my time, and I had a long Mothers Day with my family. I expected flaws, but as long as my main points were said correctly, "spelling & capitalization correct or not - sorry Adolf" I think I've shard my opinion.
The important thing is: Users, who intend to break the law on the internet, must lose their solo dependency for Security Suite software, and start learning how encryption and Virtual Private Networks work, as a whole. It's not only their ass they'll be saving. They'll be saving all of the rest of a torrents "seeders" who haven't stepped-up their games yet...
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No problem, I can't stand people who attack other people and then make the same mistake their attacking. Plus, who cares if your English is exactly perfect? As long as it's READABLE. That's the only time English becomes a problem.
u r wanna hlo me donload dis new gme but frum whr i unno?
lolwat?
I've always wondered one thing. I don't know much exactly how they work - I just know I need protection.
People who download and don't seed.... do they even have a chance at getting caught? I honestly wouldn't figure they would. Maybe for like.... 20 min they have a chance then what? Do they just disappear? I use a site where you actually have to keep an upload/download ratio just for the reason I hate leeches.
Also, stay away from public torrent sites is probably a good idea. THOSE are the ones they get all your info from.
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I've always wondered one thing. I don't know much exactly how they work - I just know I need protection.
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For "Basic" security and encryption, without much manual handling, I'd recommend using either Kaspersky Internet Security 2010 or Norton Internet Security 2010 (or 360 v4).
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People who download and don't seed.... do they even have a chance at getting caught? I honestly wouldn't figure they would. Maybe for like.... 20 min they have a chance then what? Do they just disappear? I use a site where you actually have to keep an upload/download ratio just for the reason I hate leeches.
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Well, getting caught, without seeding, varies upon the host/torrent site. Private Sites like Demonoid save logs for User Ratio data... and that Ratio data includes your IP Address you use when downloading & uploading torrents. Now if you were to use a Proxy, you may get a tad bit slower connection speed, but your TRUE IP Address would be "spoofed" to the Proxy IP. In other words, the host of the Proxy would be investigated, not you.
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Also, stay away from public torrent sites is probably a good idea. THOSE are the ones they get all your info from.
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Good idea, and true. Most public trackers display all seeding & leeching data to anyone interested.. but the same goes as I've said above. Proxies may cut your speeds, but does speed really have more importance than your personal safety & privacy?
I'll leave that for you all to decide.
To be a smartass ain't why I signed up, and sorry if it seemed that way. Since you want to be a douche I'll speak your language - at least my TLDR made some sense, unlike his entire post.
But while we're on the topic of stupidity;
"Global Internet Neutrality
IP-Spoofs
Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access
Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology"
Just what is this "Global internet neutrality"? We're having a hard enough time trying to hold on to such in our OWN country, and other countries have none, so- doesn't exist.
"IP spoofs"- ANY idea how the internet actually works? Not possible to just arbitrarily IP spoof, you need special conditions.
"Private Domain"? Hurf durf, what? How's it work, what IS it?
"a virtual machine due to the odd ports they use for internet access"? WHAT are you takling about, have you ever actually USED a VM? Going by that comment I doubt it. I give up.
I can tell I'm talking to an avid 4chan lover. Good luck finding anyone who can understand what he's saying, I personally left my decoder ring at home.
Stop trying so hard, get enough sleep and have some caffeine, it'll do you good and you just may come across as halfway coherent next time. And maybe try to stop using large words on the net, because you're doing it totally out of context (which makes you look stupider than i'd like to believe you are)
The English syntax really wasn't the issue here, just that it was way off base and incomprehensible. Don't talk about something unless you have at least a BASIC idea of how it works. The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly. Private torrent sites are overrated and just not worth it- keeping a ratio mostly requires a seedbox so you don't get banned.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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To be a smartass ain't why I signed up, and sorry if it seemed that way. Since you want to be a douche I'll speak your language - at least my TLDR made some sense, unlike his entire post.
But while we're on the topic of stupidity;
"Global Internet Neutrality
IP-Spoofs
Private Domain amongst either a Router itself, or a Protected Virtual Machine.
Preferably a Virtual Machine due to the odd ports they access for Internet Access
Virtual Machine Encrypted with Bit-locker Technology"
Just what is this "Global internet neutrality"? We're having a hard enough time trying to hold on to such in our OWN country, and other countries have none, so- doesn't exist.
"IP spoofs"- ANY idea how the internet actually works? Not possible to just arbitrarily IP spoof, you need special conditions.
"Private Domain"? Hurf durf, what? How's it work, what IS it?
"a virtual machine due to the odd ports they use for internet access"? WHAT are you takling about, have you ever actually USED a VM? Going by that comment I doubt it. I give up.
I can tell I'm talking to an avid 4chan lover. Good luck finding anyone who can understand what he's saying, I personally left my decoder ring at home.
Stop trying so hard, get enough sleep and have some caffeine, it'll do you good and you just may come across as halfway coherent next time. And maybe try to stop using large words on the net, because you're doing it totally out of context (which makes you look stupider than i'd like to believe you are)
The English syntax really wasn't the issue here, just that it was way off base and incomprehensible. Don't talk about something unless you have at least a BASIC idea of how it works. The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly. Private torrent sites are overrated and just not worth it- keeping a ratio mostly requires a seedbox so you don't get banned.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality - lol. Wow, kid. Get on Google if you don't know what something is. =]
Proxies - Safer than using your regular IP, genius. If they weren't, we wouldn't use them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_privacy - Again, you NEED to Google.
About the seeding - we have a leech! Private sites ARE worth it. If you were even worthy to get an invite, you'd know. Let me guess, the most private site you know is Demonoid. *chuckle*
Avid 4chaner? Only a real /b/rother would be able to tell that.
And the culmination of my wall of text, anyone who puts "Number of bricks to date:0" in their sig really shouldn't go attacking others. True men actually try to brick their **** and don't brag when they haven't.
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You are COMPLETELY retarded. If I wanted to brick my phone, I'd flash a nasty spl or a nasty radio or Danger SPL before a compatible radio with an imcompatible recovery. IF you knew ANYTHING about rooting as you say you do, you would understand that. You'd also know you are considered an idiot if you brick your phone. I think you just earned a spot in my signature as "worlds dumbest quote."
Little kids need to get off the internet and go to bed, mommy would be very mad if she discovered the bad words you were using.
Now, how about you stop trying to start a flame war and just shut up? You already look VERY stupid along with a tad bit pathetic.
The RIAA and MPAA go after people who seed mainly.
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Didn't they do a bust down on a lot of college students? Yea, THOSE are our "main seeders." ROFL. Moron. They go after anyone they can get a hand on if they consider it worthy of an actual lawsuit. You'd know this if you ever read news.
Point blank, please stop throwing up in threads like you even know something. EVERYTHING you've said so far is either WRONG or STUPID. The last thing we need at xda are more idiots. :/ Please, gtfo.
Ohhhh, your TLDR said EXACTLY what he said in layman's terms. He at least has the brains to explain what he's saying. You just copy what he said and tried to make it look like your own. Sorry, bro, just don't respond. You've already dug too deep.
I have no idea what he just said. He just typed up about 200 words of pointless garbage... and wasted a post in this thread.
Officially, just from reading the first 10 words, I got dumber.
And once again, thanx r3s-rt for translating my words into "retard-speak" for him. It seems even the "dumbed down" version of my posts are too complex for him to understand.
LOL @ your links. Maybe he'll learn something new today.
Guys please - we're getting to the stage of - stop the agro or it's close it time - and I've got enough guys on my watch list without adding more!
Mike
My apologies.
Ditto.
10 char. :X
Perhaps the MPAA and RIAA should give up their tirades--after all, the United States has the lowest piracy rate of any country in the world, at just 20 percent.
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So it seems not so bad. Either the US really does have the lowest Piracy percentage in the world... or the US Pirates are just a tad more secure.
Read HERE.
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I just know I need protection.
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Use a condom???
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Use a condom???
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Lame but funny
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So it seems not so bad. Either the US really does have the lowest Piracy percentage in the world... or the US Pirates are just a tad more secure.
Read HERE.
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Wow. I would have figured it would have been the HIGHEST. If not, at least towards the top of the list. o.o
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Use a condom???
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I'm not a tory supporter (Voted Lib Dem for what it is worth) but we can hope this is true
Damn it, I'm not allowed to post any links but Techradar is reporting that the conservatives may well ditch the entire thing which we can hope is true
So i'm not sure how many canadian users we have here, but basically canada is officially screwed for internet access as of march 1'st. The CRTC (canadian regulatory body) has ruled that bell(large incumbent) has the right to force indie ISP's to offer the same packages/price they offer while allowing metered internet billing. Packages start at 25gb's per/month, throttled as well as charging overage fees ranging from 2-4 dollars p/gig.
If you guys can help spread the word of this travesty of a ruling I would personally appreciate it. I dont post much on these forums and as such it wont let me put up a post with links, but if you google canada ubb and such or strombo ubb on youtube it will be easier to see what im talking about.
-Matt
Many of us who get service through smaller ISPs who bulk-buy bandwidth from Bell were really shocked this weekend when our monthly caps dropped to 25G per month. (Mine had previously been 200G) Rogers is following with caps later this spring.
At my own ISP, 50% of 30,000 subscribers regularly exceed that 25G cap. This has meant a weekend of figuring out what the new bill will be (about $100 per month for anyone who does even a marginal amount of downloading/P2P/streaming/gaming). But moreover, it has really forced many households to reconsider how they use the Internet. In my own (where our typical use is about 70G per month) it is now going to pretty well be ruled out for anything but serious research, email, web browsing. Traffic monitors and script blockers went on every machine in the house this weekend as a first step, with router monitoring as soon as I can figure it out.
no more internet for u haha ...
time to get that high-gain antennae from ebay and go yogi bearin' in your neighborhood
Sounds like its time to go packet hunting.
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no more internet for u haha ...
time to get that high-gain antennae from ebay and go yogi bearin' in your neighborhood
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how come you are surviving in canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds like its time to go packet hunting.
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I love aircrack-ng.
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I love aircrack-ng.
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lol and after ur done with that , be sure to download blu ray movies 24/7
who needs 200mb a month what would prolly go unnoticed ??? give em hell and possibly urself a lawsuit
just an update, our canadian government is shutting this down. The CRTC said they want to review the decision, the government has said regardless of what they do any form of UBB will be shut down.
The head of the CRTC was also called before an industry committee and it is scary how inept he is. He has no concept of how the internet works, and he is setting digital policy for this country.
If you'd like to see him getting grilled its here
edit; is there anyway to get a mod to allow me to post links? I have no intention of spamming these forums.
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just an update, our canadian government is shutting this down. The CRTC said they want to review the decision, the government has said regardless of what they do any form of UBB will be shut down.
The head of the CRTC was also called before an industry committee and it is scary how inept he is. He has no concept of how the internet works, and he is setting digital policy for this country.
If you'd like to see him getting grilled its here
edit; is there anyway to get a mod to allow me to post links? I have no intention of spamming these forums.
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just use the formula youtube[dot]com .. along those lines u should be able to do it
ah the problem is its not youtube, its from the government website which is quite a long string.
parlvu(dot)parl(dot)gc(dot)ca/ParlVu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=7245
hey it worked, thanks souljaboy
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ah the problem is its not youtube, its from the government website which is quite a long string.
http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/ParlVu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=7245
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You get link-posting privileges once you hit 15 posts or something around there. It has nothing to do with mod approval, regardless of what the error messages tell you. You could also simply add a space or two in the links. That's what most people do.
man that website looks scary ... so dark , complicated and unfriendly
Unfortunately, FBI shutdown Megaupload. Is there any way that they would be back up and running again or they are screwed. Furthermore, would the paid members of megaupload get their money back if they can't provide service?
Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
The official thing I read said that they had been profiting from hosting copyrighted materials so they were shut down.
The usual mantra of saying that they can't be held responsible for what people upload to their service finally failed these guys.
I worry that it doesn't bode well for some other services, if they can prove that companies are profiting from copyright materials in the same way.
Technically even Youtube could fall foul of it too. Even though they have their method for reporting and taking down videos - which is flawed in itself and is abused by film, music and tv companies anyway
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Hosting pirated software and movies etc. is illegal. Do it enough and you get shut down.
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That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of stuff that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload. And the people behind MU were being a bit stupid as well, that helped the media industry make their case. This can serve as a lesson to others, to not repeat the same mistakes.
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That's a totally simplistic (too simplistic) view on the matter. Megaupload was responding to DMCA takedown notices, so from this perspective, the "safe harbor" rules of the DMCA applied. Well, they should have. But of course the media industry came up with a whole bunch of BS that removed the safe harbor protection from Megaupload.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
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Why are you here at XDA? There's "illegal" material here. So by your simplistic views, XDA should be shut down. Also, Google links to "illegal" material, and even caches some of it in their internal caches. Down with Google!! Etc, etc, etc, I think you get the picture (or probably you still don't).
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Er, I didn't actually state an opinion on the matter. What makes you think I agree with it at all?
I was just answering a question.
who cares...
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If there was no illegal material on the site it would still be up and running.
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That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
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That comment is just too ignorant and shows that u dont have actual knowledge of the case.
Illegal is a broad term, so broad that it can mean your mom having a photo on her desktop that you shot with your camera and she put without permission
And personally i dont think the site went down just because of that..
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
sadly this will be the way of most all sharing sites.....eventually me thinks
peer to peer = piracy (mostly) i kind of like this though
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It's not in the slightest bit ignorant, and neither am I. There's quite a lot of assumption going on in this thread about my posts.
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Because we all love u and care about u
I believe that they closed megaupload or filesonic today for one and mostly reason!Which are the money!The big companies want share from their profits because we are talking about millions!Thats why they care about it!
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Maybe I'm slightly skeptical, but I detect sarcasm.
So... how are we going to share ROMS or programs that is built by developers? Even the government legalized rooting phones and tablets, so I wonder how would the distribution be like. Otherwise, we might need a private web space to be able to by-pass FBI. I mean yeah, I am against piracy and all that crap. But this legal stuff that we are sharing through Android Dev, businesses will slow down. I know there are many options out there but, after several months? perhaps, they could be shutdown as well.
MegaUpload was the best file hosting service online I've ever used. Too bad they get theirself in this kinda crap.
Although,they are already rebuilding megaupload in other country,where those laws aren't applicable.
man this really sucks. i use that website all the time.
one word SOPA
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one word SOPA
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Me gusta a la sopa
Well even though FBI tries hard enough to muzzle internet's freedom, I think people that care about it, will always be a step ahead and find different ways to share files, thoughts and everything!
So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.
Its about more than pirating....
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Its about more than pirating....
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exactly!
if the OP actually read the news, it's not about pirating but rather money laundering, they are just trying to hype everything else with the pirating banner
as the feds needed a "valid" point to conduct a search warrant into the possessions and freeze the bank accounts of that guy
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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So Megaupload has been shut down, and now Filesonic and Fileserve have decided to not allow anybody to download files they did not personally upload.
How long before similar hosting sites follow suit?
A lot of legitimate websites depend on those places to host files for their users to download, even this one. This frustrates the hell out of me because now all over the internet links to legitimate legal files are shut down because of the assholes that feel the need to use these websites for unlawful purposes.
I tried to download a ROM earlier to find it was hosted on filesonic. Tried to download a zip file of something that was hosted in megaupload. I know a ton of files from useful threads on this community are hosted on these 3 sites or sites like them, and its going to be even harder for users that want to play with an older device that has been forgotten but the files and information was still there. Now they will find the information but won't have access to the files they need.
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Your blaming the pirates? Your anger is wrongly distributed, my friend. All your post really says about you is that content with the action that has taken place.
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They sey that the guy may get 50 years of prison...
it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
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So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices? Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe, let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.
This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.
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it's the money making scheme thing they are removing from their sites
a lot of them were doing that to attract people
were you download a file, and the guy hosting the file was getting paid per MB by the filehosting service
i'm actually glad all those are shutting down, that was a horrible thing to see here in XDA
always making members building huge list of ROMs or whatever Mods, on those sites and bumping up the size of the actual download, so they get more money out of the each download
we had a lot of users complaining about that
that money has to come from some where, and Advertising alone doesn't generate that much money to make it viable by the filehosting site
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That part I was not aware of, as I have never used an account to host files there. I didn't know people hosting the files got paid per MB and tbh that makes sense why pirates would use them. Thank you for explaining that point.
My anger is directed at they fact that now a LOT of important links in this site and many others are now broken. And the fact that pirates have made these places havens to host their wares is a primary reason these places are now running scared.
And I know it happens. A while back I got interested in Hombrew development for the Wii as I had a unique idea for how to use the remote. So I set out to hack my Wii to allow it to run Homebrew apps. There is a legal way and a non legal way. The legal way would allow you to run Homebrew but no retail games. The illegal way allows you to play pirated games. In my search for information I came across a website with thousands of links to illegal Wii games - all hosted on places just like that.
Now I know why - but the fact remains if people didn't do that - and the sites were used for legitimate purposes we wouldn't be here today.
And I KNOW there was more to the megaupload than that - but now all of them are shutting down and scaling back because of it. And who put tha excuse in their hands???
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This is more , the piracy its only a excuse.
You have to think more before post.
Because if you see, in deep this problem.
Start they see Kim can be a big problem for they industry.
And usa / fbi use this excuse for start making other country´s follow they rules and what they want.
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first pirates, now america? wow...
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Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.
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Well for you its possible sounds stupid.
But who shutdown mu.
FBI.
In first i dont understand why its so active USA.
I hope dont you think iam american hatter, or anything like that.
my question is why FBI are doing this jobs.
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Is there a better translator you could use? I'm not trying to offend you, but I can't tell what you're saying. To be perfectly honest, it sounds like random anti-American phrases and statements tossed in a blender.
He's asking why an American authority is the one to close down MU.
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Piracy is a issue but its being used as a scapegoat so the industry could have more control & insure future profits. With technolgy becoming more advanced & cheaper artists/fans dont have to depend on the majors.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidth...the-real-reason-why-megaupload-was-shut-down/
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/01/20/megauploads-takedown-how-is-swizz-beatz-involved/
]So, one file host gets shut down due to a completely unrelated incident, other companies lighten their vulnerabilities to play it safe, and now you can't download roms for dead devices?
I used that as an example. Actually the ROM I couldn't download was for my SGSII Thank You.
Damn the guy downloading a poor quality cam rip of paranormal activity 3! Don't blame the legislature, or any other legislatures or any other aspect of the government, don't blame Lamar Smith, don't blame the file host sites who want to play it safe,
Why WOULD I blame the government for blocking illegal activity? Its no secret that ripping and uploading a movie for people to download for free is a crime. So the government is enforcing the law. So how is the government to blame for these people uploading illegal files to these places? I don't care how or why its a law its still a law and up to the government to enforce. Weather I agree with it or you agree with doesn't matter. Its still a law and THIS istuation had nothing to do with SOPA or Lamar Smith.
let's blame it on the guy who didn't hurt anyone as he wasn't going to buy the movie anyway. Torrenting is just sharing made easier, we traded tapes back in elementary school that we'd recorded off of the radio. This is the same thing on a larger scale and it scares people.
If you want to torrent - then torrent. I don't care. I don't care if people DO pirate movies, music or anything else. But torrenting is a relationship between the people sharing those files and the people getting those files. If you and the person your getting those files from get caught and go to prison its of no consequence to me. But in this instance millions of people are affected because they no longer have access to legitimate files.
Weather Piracy is the reason MU was shut down or not DOES NOT MATTER. The fact remains that people WHERE using the places as pirating havens and HANDED the government the excuse to say piracy IS the issue and has the rest running scared/
If pirates were not using these places to host millions of dollars in illegal files then the headline would be different.
Destron5683 said:
I did read the news. That is why Megaupload alone did not affect me so much, but Piracy also played a major role, and because of such OTHER file hosts are shutting down services and making files unavailable.
Or are all File Hosting sites laundering money and have something to run from?
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Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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That is an excellent idea. A place that only hosts files for developers and users of smart phones and tablets and nothing else.
+1
paallday said:
Maybe developers in gen should start a co-op dev site?
IE a host owned and operated by and for developers, it could be a not for profit which for those who don't no means your goal is basically A. Be in black B. profits go to future of buissness or owners ie. people that pay for hosting. C. Try to help more in their communities and with customers than competion.
Basically through makeing yourself a not for profit your just helping everybody especially since I am pretty sure most devs dont make anything off donations.
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this is by far the best answer
anyone with the $ to host and maintain a free not for profit file services is welcome to do so
then the Admins/Mods of the site can easily ban anyone not following those principals
however!
there's still a gotcha!
apparently Teamwhiskey got shutdown by the gov under the same pretext as pirating even though all they did was ROM, or maybe that was just their SOPA protest that lasted longer than expected
yup, just checked their site it's back up
while on the same topic
yes ROM can technically be categorized as Pirated good as well, except for pure AOSP and CM releases
all other ROMs specially Windows, or TouchWiz or Sense based ROMs are all subjected as Pirated Warez if the crap does hit the fan
I know asking for pirate apps or piratewebsites is not allowed but i just want to be really sure of what's legal, i used to live in Latinamerica where we do pretty much what we want in internet and i just moved to Germany and thinks work different here, in the apartment i moved to they told me i can't download pretty much anything because is it illegal, but what exactly is illegal? how do internet providers find out what i'm doing on internet?
1: So if i share folders with music i bought in google play on dropbox so i can listen to it on my phone is that legal? what if i share those same folders in dropbox with my friends?
2. What about torrents? are they completely ilegal?
3. if a friend uploads a video from a concert to mediashare, rapidshare is legal that i visit those sites and download files on them?
4. Here they have a RIDICULOUS copyright in youtube and pretty much ANY video is not available on youtube/vevo so i have to use a proxy to watch videos, is that legal?
Any recomendations? Thanks for your help
It's fairly simple.
Obtaining copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal, in all forms.
Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. Letting someone listen to a song on your phone is fine, sending the song tt him/her is illegal.
Linking or pointing to locations where to obtain copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal.
Using a program or app without a correct license is illegal.
Chad_Petree said:
1: So if i share folders with music i bought in google play on dropbox so i can listen to it on my phone is that legal? what if i share those same folders in dropbox with my friends?
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If you use them for your OWN devices, it's legal. If you share the folders with others, it's illegal.
2. What about torrents? are they completely ilegal?
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Only if they contain copyrighted material you would otherwise have to pay for. You can use torrent to share your personal Christmas photo's all you want, for instance. Downloading AND seeding is illegal for copyrighted materials. (This also includes recordings of copyrighted materials, such as Camversions of films.)
3. if a friend uploads a video from a concert to mediashare, rapidshare is legal that i visit those sites and download files on them?
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Yes, that's legal, unless there was a specific "Do not film" order at the concert., but that's not part of the piracy laws.
4. Here they have a RIDICULOUS copyright in youtube and pretty much ANY video is not available on youtube/vevo so i have to use a proxy to watch videos, is that legal?
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Watching videos over a proxy is legal in the whole of Europe.
ShadowLea said:
It's fairly simple.
Obtaining copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal, in all forms.
Sharing copyrighted material is illegal. Letting someone listen to a song on your phone is fine, sending the song tt him/her is illegal.
Linking or pointing to locations where to obtain copyrighted material without paying for it is illegal.
Using a program or app without a correct license is illegal.
If you use them for your OWN devices, it's legal. If you share the folders with others, it's illegal.
Only if they contain copyrighted material you would otherwise have to pay for. You can use torrent to share your personal Christmas photo's all you want, for instance. Downloading AND seeding is illegal for copyrighted materials. (This also includes recordings of copyrighted materials, such as Camversions of films.)
Yes, that's legal, unless there was a specific "Do not film" order at the concert., but that's not part of the piracy laws.
Watching videos over a proxy is legal in the whole of Europe.
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Thank you, you were really helpful but i still have a couple of doubts, for example last weekend i went to a crystal castles concert and i recorded some songs and i want to make a torrent to share it with my friends but the landlord told me i cannot USE torrents at all because otherwise the police or something will give him a fein for like 600 euros? was he just trying to scare me? i guess the internet provider can see that im sharing a file, but would they know if im sharing it via torrent? and if they know im using torrents how can they know for sure that what i'm sharing is legal to share or copyrighted material.
I guess downloading tv shows episodes is ilegal too, but maybe not because i watch tv rips and not the blu-ray or dvd versions? my german is so poor right now i cannot understand the shows on tv, all are dubbed in German
Chad_Petree said:
Thank you, you were really helpful but i still have a couple of doubts, for example last weekend i went to a crystal castles concert and i recorded some songs and i want to make a torrent to share it with my friends but the landlord told me i cannot USE torrents at all because otherwise the police or something will give him a fein for like 600 euros? was he just trying to scare me? i guess the internet provider can see that im sharing a file, but would they know if im sharing it via torrent? and if they know im using torrents how can they know for sure that what i'm sharing is legal to share or copyrighted material.
I guess downloading tv shows episodes is ilegal too, but maybe not because i watch tv rips and not the blu-ray or dvd versions? my german is so poor right now i cannot understand the shows on tv, all are dubbed in German
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Your landlord's issue is that he thinks all torrents are copyrighted content. A common mistake.
But to keep the peace, it'd probably be best not to argue with him. I suggest you use www.Wetransfer.com for the concert files, it's an email-based file transfer with 2gb free transfer. If it's your own recording, you can also put it on dropbox.
Yes, as i said, recordings of copyrighted content is illegal, too. This also includes recordings of tv shows of any form.
I know what you mean. I live about 5 minutes from the german border so I get all the channels, they're all synched into German >.< It's ridiculous.
1. Your landlord is an idiot or he is lying. Using torrents is not illegal. there are plenty of data/shows/programs shared all day long legally on bittorrent.
2. Most likely (99%) your landlord cannot tell you are using torrents. I assume you are using some communal internet service at your apartments.
3. Just because something is copyrighted does not mean it is illegal to share it. It most likely is, but a lot of artists have no problem allowing their works to be shared.
4. Yes, your ISP can tell you are using torrent. Some monitor. They won't say anything unless someone complains to them.
The second this turns into any kind of "how to", or comes even close to "well I should be able to download anything I want" then I'll close it.
Just a heads-up
I'd download a car if I could.
Lend a friend a book and nobody cares. Scan a book and email it to your friend and suddenly you're a criminal.
The world is a strange place.
Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
- How to download files using a torrent client
- Finding content
DirkGently said:
Lend a friend a book and nobody cares. Scan a book and email it to your friend and suddenly you're a criminal.
The world is a strange place.
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Obviously they own the 1s and 0s it becomes once it's scanned.
LordManhattan said:
- How to download files using a torrent client
- Finding content
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I was expecting Breadfish and/or Rick Astley!
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Obviously they own the 1s and 0s it becomes once it's scanned.
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I see. So letters are free but numbers are licensed?
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Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
85gallon said:
1. Your landlord is an idiot or he is lying. Using torrents is not illegal. there are plenty of data/shows/programs shared all day long legally on bittorrent.
2. Most likely (99%) your landlord cannot tell you are using torrents. I assume you are using some communal internet service at your apartments.
3. Just because something is copyrighted does not mean it is illegal to share it. It most likely is, but a lot of artists have no problem allowing their works to be shared.
4. Yes, your ISP can tell you are using torrent. Some monitor. They won't say anything unless someone complains to them.
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Yes I share the Internet with two other guys on the apartment.
The provider can monitor my downloads but how can they know for sure if what I'm downloading or sharing its legal? Are they able to?
If they thing i'm doing something ilegal at least they give me a warning right?
You said my provider shouldn't do anything unless someone complains, but who would complain if not my provider? :/
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I was expecting Breadfish and/or Rick Astley!
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I see. So letters are free but numbers are licensed?
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Wouldn't want to disappoint you.
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Just to let y'all know, from working at Comcast for 2 years, ISP's do look for this kind of thing I've never heard of...
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Huh?
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
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Yes I share the Internet with two other guys on the apartment.
The provider can monitor my downloads but how can they know for sure if what I'm downloading or sharing its legal? Are they able to?
If they thing i'm doing something ilegal at least they give me a warning right?
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Okay. If it is your Internet account then the landlord has nothing to do with it. Screw him. Why did you even ask him?
The isp basically keeps logs. At minimum they just log what ip you are assigned. Some log where you go to. They are not going to turn you in or call you. If a copyright holder complains to them wanting your information based on your ip they may give it up. They may fight it.
Without someone complaining to them, the isp is not going to turn you in or contact you. They will sometimes contact you if you use too much data depending on your data and tell you to knock it off
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You mean they never check for this kind of thing?
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85gallon said:
Huh?
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Nah, I was just kidding, Comcast doesn't care...
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Nah, I was just kidding, Comcast doesn't care...
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I know that. I just couldn't figure out what you said!! :cyclops:
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I know that. I just couldn't figure out what you said!! :cyclops:
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Actually they do... but because of Archer's post, I can't disclose by which methods, and what are the procedures if caught...
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Actually they do... but because of Archer's post, I can't disclose by which methods, and what are the procedures if caught...
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Archer. It is not a how to. LOL
Mod edit: Yes it is.