There is only one thing I hate about the d3.
Its pentile screen.
Its awful.
If some manufacturer had a screen with identical properties but it was quality....this would be gold! It would satisfy many many d3 owners. it would probably be difficult to install but it'd be worth it to me.
Ik this sounds unpractical...but a solutuon for those who love this phone..but hate the awful screen.
The screen isn't that bad to me I don't even see the pentile.
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Using the gingerbread metamoph theme its very obvious. The green 3g icon especially. It just looks awful. My incs screen was so crisp. This is not. Its just disappointing to me because its so high-res...but it doesn't matter because it looks awful. Just an opinion
I LOVE the pentile screen, never seen so good outside and in direct sunlight! Love the matrix too.
It's really not that bad. Only noticeable on small icons. Use Jewremy's modkit for the battery, looks great.
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I like the screen. Yea it isn't perfect but it is very readable outside and works well enough for a phone's screen.
The only color that look right on this screen is the white (and grey gradations down to black). Try some monochrome backgrounds, they look very crisp.
Worst colors for the RGBW pentile matrix are the green and yellow.
Just see how the icon of Google street view looks. It is just so distorted! Overall resolution feels lower than D1 and D2's. Battery life and readability in sunlight are great though. Nothing is perfect, I guess.
Hopefully Droid 4 will use either IPS display or better - RGB stripe matrix AMOLED
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I love it! I don't notice all these many pixels like most everyone else is complaining about.. and I'm a guy who tries to be a "perfectionist" almost, and very little things like that would bother me. For instance, I hate watching SD TV and Movies after going from HD. And I used to own the iPhone 4 for a while, too.
To me, it's my favorite.
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It's shocking! It's disgusting! How could anyone possibly live with a screen like this!
I mean, it's made of pixels and stuff! Little bunches of rectangles making up little bunches of squares making up little words icons and letters! Absolutely disgusting! They should be emitting focused waves of light directly into our eyes at the bare minimum!
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When i put your face right up next to the screen I can see the inside components. But who does that. Best screen out there and way better then my old phone the dx and my vibrant.
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Really don't mind pentile, if I did I wouldn't have bought the phone
Who cares, its not big enough to make a difference, if the phone is used like its ment to be used u cant see the pentile....honestly in all conditions this is the best screen in the business, i HATE the Amoled because it ALWAYS has a blue tint everything is darker, i will admit the Amoled looks Sharper but is sharper better when your colors arent true? I only say the QHD pentile is the best screen because its completely see-able in just about any conditions, BRIGHT LIGHT, EXTREME DARK, UP CLOSE, FAR AWAY,ETC. PLUS Pixels make up everything graphical, and to think you never had a problem with it until u got a high-end smartphone. lol
The only time I ever see the pixelation on my d3 is when I put my face upto it and look closely. From a comfortable view distance, which is less than a foot, its not noticable. I love the screen, and would get one like this again.
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Honestly, I'd rather have a pentile screen on a solid, metal, quality built phone then a SuperAMOLED wrapped in cheap chinese plastic.
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Honestly, I'd rather have a pentile screen on a solid, metal, quality built phone then a SuperAMOLED wrapped in cheap chinese plastic.
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CO-SIGN!!!! The D3's Build Quality is almost unmatched!, Hell Motorola's Build Quality is UNMATCHED. NOT INCLUDING THE CITRUS AND OTHER CHEAP MOTO PHONES.
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Honestly, I'd rather have a pentile screen on a solid, metal, quality built phone then a SuperAMOLED wrapped in cheap chinese plastic.
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agreed
infact i like pentile. i LIKE the look feel and view of it. amoled is nice but theres something about pentile that i actually like
and as o thers have stated, unless you jam your face in to the phone, its not really noticeable.
I'd like to point out that when the first few smartphones started using amoled screens everyone was complaining then. ''oh its too hard to see in the sun. text doesnt look sharp. colors are blue. blahblah blah''
people complain to just complain.
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Who cares, its not big enough to make a difference, if the phone is used like its ment to be used u cant see the pentile....honestly in all conditions this is the best screen in the business, i HATE the Amoled because it ALWAYS has a blue tint everything is darker, i will admit the Amoled looks Sharper but is sharper better when your colors arent true? I only say the QHD pentile is the best screen because its completely see-able in just about any conditions, BRIGHT LIGHT, EXTREME DARK, UP CLOSE, FAR AWAY,ETC. PLUS Pixels make up everything graphical, and to think you never had a problem with it until u got a high-end smartphone. lol
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I agree that the colors aren't true, it isn't just that they are "bluish" but they also generally appear over saturated, where as pentile is more full saturation leaning towards low saturation.
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Yeah, the build quality of the phone feels great, the back cover could be a tiny bit better though, but it is at worst, on par with another certain device - doesn't feel flimsy either
Pentile is good in displaying non-solid colors. All its disadvantages show up when it has to display solid non-grey scale (B/W) colors.
It is not "pixelation" what you see, it is more appropriate to say "pattern visibility". This problem will be 100% cured once screens get over 320 dpi. At that point pattern will not be visible without magnifying glass, even if you look close up. If the display of D3 was 3.5 inch instead 4 inch at this resolution it would have looked perfect.
Let's hope the next iteration of our beloved phone will keep the 4 inch size, but bump the resolution up to 1280x720 - this will give us enough pixel density to make pentile display look great and still consume less energy and be better visible compared to other display technologies.
Most AMOLED displays are also using pentile matrix. Except for the latest SGSII where it is RGB stripe instead RGBG (found on older Samsung and HTC models).
Personally, the best display I have used is my Nokia E7's "clear black" display. It uses AMOLED technology (regular RGB stripe matrix like with SGS-II), but colors are very natural looking (not over saturated) and visibility in direct sunlight is almost on par with the LCD RGBW Pentile display my XT860 (D3) uses.
Coming from Droid 2 Global (and Milestone 1 before that which has the same display), initially I was disappointed with the new RGBW Pentile matrix display Motorola decided to use. But seeing the advantages -energy savings and direct sunlight visibility, I think it is fair compromise. With the time human eyes adapt and start 'accepting' the patterns in a way you don't notice it any more. I guess I will "survive" until Droid 4 gets released
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Pentile is good in displaying non-solid colors. All its disadvantages show up when it has to display solid non-grey scale (B/W) colors.
It is not "pixelation" what you see, it is more appropriate to say "pattern visibility". This problem will be 100% cured once screens get over 320 dpi. At that point pattern will not be visible without magnifying glass, even if you look close up. If the display of D3 was 3.5 inch instead 4 inch at this resolution it would have looked perfect.
Let's hope the next iteration of our beloved phone will keep the 4 inch size, but bump the resolution up to 1280x720 - this will give us enough pixel density to make pentile display look great and still consume less energy and be better visible compared to other display technologies.
Most AMOLED displays are also using pentile matrix. Except for the latest SGSII where it is RGB stripe instead RGBG (found on older Samsung and HTC models).
Personally, the best display I have used is my Nokia E7's "clear black" display. It uses AMOLED technology (regular RGB stripe matrix like with SGS-II), but colors are very natural looking (not over saturated) and visibility in direct sunlight is almost on par with the LCD RGBW Pentile display my XT860 (D3) uses.
Coming from Droid 2 Global (and Milestone 1 before that which has the same display), initially I was disappointed with the new RGBW Pentile matrix display Motorola decided to use. But seeing the advantages -energy savings and direct sunlight visibility, I think it is fair compromise. With the time human eyes adapt and start 'accepting' the patterns in a way you don't notice it any more. I guess I will "survive" until Droid 4 gets released
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With this in mind, has anyone tried to use LCD Density since root?
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With this in mind, has anyone tried to use LCD Density since root?
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What would that do?! You can't change the physical resolution of the display since it depends on display size and pixel count. I don't think there's software method to increase any of these two physical characteristics of the display.
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Hi,
the display of our nexus 7 really is a shame for a google lead-device.
Look here:
http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm
http://www.displaymate.com/news.html#8
http://www.zdnet.com/google-nexus-7-bright-image-compression-blamed-on-oem-incompetence-7000001450/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57479059-94/expert-claims-googles-nexus-7-display-has-flaws/
or here (left nexus 7 - right nook color):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1380397&stc=1&d=1349526183
The Nexus 7 has a very bad white saturation...
So hopefully these things will be fixed soon by Asus and Google. And hopefully these things are not hardware related..
PS: There is a further Problem with PRISM smartdimmer too (appears after watching full-screen movies).
This can be "fixed" resp. disabled by editing a config-file...but it doesn´t fix the bad quality over-all...
Very disappointing for a Google lead-device!
True.
The display, for me at least, is fine. You have to remember, Asus made this tablet in FOUR MONTHS. There's gonna be problems. I've read dozens
of threads about dead pixels, screen lift, screen ficker, bad replacements, ect. Mine, for example, has screen ficker, but it's not bad I just deal with it. Not everyone feels that way though. Also, Google sold this at a loss.
Considering how great I think my Nexus 7 display looks, the op is really over-generalizing.
Pixel density and color rendition I consider superb for a device in this class.
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Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
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I ride the light rail to work and frequently have people sit next to me that have competing devices, including iPad.
Before I'd read the articles, I was telling them how awesome the display was. And they would actually agree!
Then I read these articles and proceeded to stomp on my device and through it in the trash. Didn't matter what it looked like to me or even the owners of the competiton though about how vibrant and clear it was......
Just kidding, I still enjoy it very much and I used to own a Nook Color. I still can't see what the big deal is. Displaymate and the others have mentioned that the hardware is excellent for the display and that a color calibration is likely all that's required.
When that happens, I'll be like "holy cow!!!! Still can't see the big deal!"
Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.
The first 4 links are about the same thing just from different places, I have no problems at all with my display and think it looks great.
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Oh lordy this DisplayMate guy again with his graphs and charts.. Yeah he's doing what is called advertising his company by latching onto a hot item with unfounded negative opinions and "data" and it's working unfortunately because all you have to do in the tech field is claim you are an "expert" and anyone will put what you say to print. The N7 display looks absolutely fantastic and the DisplayMate guy is an idiot.
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Uh, no, he uses actual quantifiable data that tells you how the display performs technically. You may not care about the details, and the differences may not make a difference to you, but unless you have something to actually dispute the data, you're clearly the one being an idiot - you might as well be a flat heart her railing on someone and their fancy 'science' and stuff...
Coming from the 1st Fire, this screen looks amazing and runs great thus far. Very happy with my purchase.
Even compared to a new Fire and went with this and I am wrapped up quite a bit in the Amazon ecosystem.
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Before the n7 I was owning the iPad 3, I must say the n7
have almost nothing to compare to the iPad 3 Disaply(only display).
But I got my n7 and it's pretty good display, not the best but above average.
ffs
I was complimented on how nice the display on my Nexus 7 looked just 3 days ago by my boss, who is an electrical and software engineer and total technophile... I think the display looks quite good, the color reproduction is truer to life than the over-saturated AMOLED displays.
In fact the Nexus 7 is quite frequently praised for it's display by reviewers, such as this one:
http://reviews.cnet.com/google-nexus-7/
Packed with pixels, the Nexus 7's screen truly satisfies. Its 1,280x800-pixel-resolution screen delivers 1,024,000 pixels, giving it one of the highest pixel densities of any tablet. The bottom line: With a beautiful screen, fast performance, a comfortable design, and overall great media options, the Nexus 7 is easily the best 7-inch tablet available and one of the top tablets on the market.
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I think most people complaining about the display are either used to the unrealistic saturation of OLED displays, have defective units, or are trolls.
The Google Nexus 7 has a retina-class display (215 PPI). The Galaxy Tab has a 169 PPI display similar to the Kindle Fire and the Nook tablet. For consumers who like to read e-books on their tablet, the Nexus offers a sharper display.
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Here it is in an article about tablets with the best screens:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19736_7-57406607-251/tablets-with-the-best-screens/
Yeah... it basically has the best display in it's class, I really don't understand what people are complaining about. I think the display looks fantastic, and I am not newbie to smart phones or tablets. If yours really looks so awful send it back for an exchange because it is defective.
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Oh great, another thread with someone *****ing
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Umm...it's a fricking forum....for, amoung other things, people dissatisfied in some way to express it.
If its too much for you, don't click the post.
The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it. But I can understand people getting tired of this topic brought up repeatedly. This has been discussed quite a bit. And I've been critical of the poor calibration, but I would not say the screen looks bad at all. I think it looks good, it just could look better.
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The calibration isn't quite right. Hopefully a firmware update at some point can fix it.
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Yes i hope they will fix it soon. The upcoming iPad Mini surely will have a display comparable to the iPad3.
And it´s rumored price is under $ 300,- too. So ASUS really should catch up with it.
Compared to an iPad 3 the lower Pixel density and bad color saturation makes (especially small) texts harder to read on our Nexus 7.
Fonts on iPad 3 are very sharp and deep-black - on Nexus 7 they often (chrome, flipboard, in-app settings-menu) look kinda gray and blurred.
Just compare it to iPad 3 and you will see the difference. If you don´t know how good it can be you will say our Nexus 7 display is good.
But if you have seen what´s possible on iPad3 you will be disappointed of N7.
I know a lot of "fandroids" always would say N7 is the best and greatest - i like the N7 too - but some things are bad and I don´t whitewash it.
Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.
Who cares, some people have too much free time to nitpick
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Greens (and by extension yellows and cyans) tend to look more washed out on the Nexus 7 than on most other displays I've seen.
But colors are still better than any AMOLED I've ever seen. I'd much rather have a similar IPS panel on my Galaxy Nexus with its slightly washed out colors than the AMOLED with it's exaggerated saturation.
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That´s difficult .. AMOLED on Galaxy SIII for me looks a little better than our washed out IPS (especially on texts).
But IPS on iPAD tops N7 significantly (especially the whites, greens and blues).
What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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What's all this about amoleds and "more accurate" color reproduction. Going between my gnex and my N7 is like night and day. I absolutely love how the colors are so rich and deep looking. Then going to my N7 the colors are "accurate" but look washed comparing the two. If there was a little more contrast on the N7 it would be perfect but things are just too bright, needs more dept and shadows.
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The problem is that colors on N7 are not accurate at all.
Blue green and white for example are far off the sRGB standard.
And Gamma is too low...
look here:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nexus-7-test-jelly-bean,review-32494-5.html
or here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6073/the-google-nexus-7-review/3
color gamut is pretty bad especially compared to ipad3 (and upcoming ipad mini too ????)
according to this graphic the display (hardware?) can´t show all green and blue tones.
So we maybe will never see a softwareupdate which fixes our problem.
Was blown away. Felt like just writing it. Whoa. What a screen. The colours, the clarity! Am disappointed that some app icons look meh, but that's the devs' problem really, hope they put some effort soon, like they did with Facebook Messenger.
I regularly deliver to lg head office and went in yesterday. I saw the g2 and nexus. Well impressed. If only the nexus has a 5.5 inch screen id buy it
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I regularly deliver to lg head office and went in yesterday. I saw the g2 and nexus. Well impressed. If only the nexus has a 5.5 inch screen id buy it
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Oh I'd still go for it! just a .6.
This is kind of an understated spec on this phone, at least here. Some online reviews point out it's greatness. I for one think it is by far the nicest looking screen I've ever seen on a cell phone. It really makes amoled look bad. Really bad. Imo
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This is kind of an understated spec on this phone, at least here. Some online reviews point out it's greatness. I for one think it is by far the nicest looking screen I've ever seen on a cell phone. It really makes amoled look bad. Really bad. Imo
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Aside from the HTC one I completely agree.
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Screen is great provided you got one without dead pixels!
Also been reading about the yellow tint but I've either not got it on mine or don't notice it.
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Screen is great provided you got one without dead pixels!
Also been reading about the yellow tint but I've either not got it on mine or don't notice it.
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Dead pixels? Ugh, that must suck. Have you tried contacting Google?
The screen actually hurt my eyes initially lol. Trying to get used to it and no i don't wear glasses I got 20/15 vision. I guess I'm way too used to Amoled screens.
You ppl are over exaggerating the screen looks good but it is poorly calibrated. I cant wait for Paranoid Android to drop their rom with their display enhancements like they did with the nexus 4
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You ppl are over exaggerating the screen looks good but it is poorly calibrated. I cant wait for Paranoid Android to drop their rom with their display enhancements like they did with the nexus 4
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Screen is beautiful especially with Franco kernel and Cataclysm rom but like i said my eyes have to adjust because it hurts using the screen. Too many years of AMOLED.
At first I thought you were being ironic.
The screen is not that good, it lacks contrast and has very bad viewing angles.
If viewed from an angle you'll see the white from retroillumination, the more the angle, the more the white and the loss of contrast.
You should put this side by side with a G2. That is a beautiful screen.
By the way, if you look closely under direct sunlight you'll see a pattern of thin lines, I suppose it's the digitizer. Does anyone know why it is visible in this phone while it isn't on others
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By the way, if you look closely under direct sunlight you'll see a pattern of thin lines, I suppose it's the digitizer. Does anyone know why it is visible in this phone while it isn't on others
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I've actually seen that on a number of phones. The Optimus G comes to mind.
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Dead pixels? Ugh, that must suck. Have you tried contacting Google?
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Yeah I've got a replacement on the way. Annoying because I find my device perfect in every other way
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At first I thought you were being ironic.
The screen is not that good, it lacks contrast and has very bad viewing angles.
If viewed from an angle you'll see the white from retroillumination, the more the angle, the more the white and the loss of contrast.
You should put this side by side with a G2. That is a beautiful screen.
By the way, if you look closely under direct sunlight you'll see a pattern of thin lines, I suppose it's the digitizer. Does anyone know why it is visible in this phone while it isn't on others
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But, the G2 and N5 both have the same screen. Just the g2 is bigger.
G2: 5.2" IPS LCD 1920x1080 (424 ppi)
Nexus 5: 4.95" IPS LCD with Corning Gorilla Glass 3
1080×1920 (445 ppi)
I don't understand how there could be any difference in what are (apart from the diagonal size) exactly the same screens. :S
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But, the G2 and N5 both have the same screen. Just the g2 is bigger.
G2: 5.2" IPS LCD 1920x1080 (424 ppi)
Nexus 5: 4.95" IPS LCD with Corning Gorilla Glass 3
1080×1920 (445 ppi)
I don't understand how there could be any difference in what are (apart from the diagonal size) exactly the same screens. :S
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Just because they have the same resolution and underlying technology (IPS LCD) doesn't mean that they're the same panel.
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You ppl are over exaggerating the screen looks good but it is poorly calibrated. I cant wait for Paranoid Android to drop their rom with their display enhancements like they did with the nexus 4
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No over exaggeration here. And you're wrong. It's very accurately color calibrated. So much so that there are a couple reviews on it reiterating this and the fact it is the most accurately color calibrated screens they've ever reviewed . If you are talking about contrast, that's another can of worms.....
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At first I thought you were being ironic.
The screen is not that good, it lacks contrast and has very bad viewing angles.
If viewed from an angle you'll see the white from retroillumination, the more the angle, the more the white and the loss of contrast.
You should put this side by side with a G2. That is a beautiful screen.
By the way, if you look closely under direct sunlight you'll see a pattern of thin lines, I suppose it's the digitizer. Does anyone know why it is visible in this phone while it isn't on others
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Oh I had those on my N4, The lines can appear on some phones more than on others of the same model. Can be kinda annoying, I agree.
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Yeah I've got a replacement on the way. Annoying because I find my device perfect in every other way
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Mhm, hope you get your replacement soon!
Lines or dots, all screens show it in sunlight and it is the digitizer. The screens are designed to be looked at straight on or to perform best for 99% of the time. If you want a screen that has over 450 cdm brightness, 4000:1 contrast ratio with .1 cdm black level, 180 degree viewing angles and any sort of energy consumption efficiency then you are welcome to pay $500+ just for the panel. Stop complaining!
I remember reading an article saying the nexus 5 panel is the most accurate. Not sure if the picture can show it here but turquoise came out looking very blue.
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I remember reading an article saying the nexus 5 panel is the most accurate. Not sure if the picture can show it here but turquoise came out looking very blue.
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I think it's just the auto white balance adjusting for the lighting conditions. That's a camera issue, not a display issue.
adjust some settings in your camera app, its way off! unless you already adjusted them to look like this, then youre way off
Okay i'll try it again with my qx100. Your reasoning makes sense.
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Your logic is flawed. Nobody said the camera had perfect color reproduction.
Funny enough, I thought the same about the display. It actually really bothers me. I came from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (CDMA). I had a couple short 1080p HD videos that I would play on that phone. Just like HD test videos. They looked great on that screen. So sharp and the color looked great on max brightness. The brighter the screen got the better the picture looked.
On this phone those same videos and others, too, look kind of grainy. Like the display should be a little smaller to get that sharp, crisp look. Turning the brightness all the way up just makes the grainy effect even worse. All of my HD videos have the same effect / look. I even turned on all of the warranty replacements I got. Same on 4 handsets. Kinda disappointed in the screen in that sense, but hey the phone was cheap.
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Funny enough, I thought the same about the display. It actually really bothers me. I came from a Samsung Galaxy Nexus (CDMA). I had a couple short 1080p HD videos that I would play on that phone. Just like HD test videos. They looked great on that screen. So sharp and the color looked great on max brightness. The brighter the screen got the better the picture looked.
On this phone those same videos and others, too, look kind of grainy. Like the display should be a little smaller to get that sharp, crisp look. Turning the brightness all the way up just makes the grainy effect even worse. All of my HD videos have the same effect / look. I even turned on all of the warranty replacements I got. Same on 4 handsets. Kinda disappointed in the screen in that sense, but hey the phone was cheap.
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thats because samsung uses samoled screens. yes they are vivid and full of color, but they are more vivid and more colorful than in real life. where the n5 screen colors are more true to the colors in reality.
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thats because samsung uses samoled screens. yes they are vivid and full of color, but they are more vivid and more colorful than in real life. where the n5 screen colors are more true to the colors in reality.
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Agreed. It's just unfortunate that real life sucks.
I think this is a pointless thread
Flash Franco's kernel and adjust the color reproduction of your screen as per your liking..
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I think this is a pointless thread
Flash Franco's kernel and adjust the color reproduction of your screen as per your liking..
Topic closed..
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You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
Edit: @ tech. Shutup lawlz, changing my gamma values, etc. Won't fix the grainy issue. Troll
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You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
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Dont know about your N5 but my display is same as a HTC One ..and similar to my iPhone 5 as well ..coz ppi> 300 is all the same to naked eyes..
And if u r in love in with those pathetic over saturated amoled screens then nobody can help you..U should switch to a S4 or Note 3 or S5(will be unveiled tomorrow) as soon as possible..
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You forgot to close the topic, Mr. Mod. I can still post.
If that's the case, maybe they should use the same kind of screen. My GNex was beautiful and I miss it. This display is just sub-par now that I really think about it. Comparing side by side with the HD videos...this is sad. Still love my N5, but I really miss that old screen. The N5 would have killed if it was the same
Edit: @ tech. Shutup lawlz, changing my gamma values, etc. Won't fix the grainy issue. Troll
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I agree, accurate or not it's not a very good looking screen. On my computer monitor or TV I'll take accurate colors, but on my smartphone I much prefer bright, vivid colors. I really think LG/Google and N5 fanboys use "accuracy" as an excuse for such a subpar display. Between the washed out colors and poor viewing angles, it's easily the biggest disappointment with the N5.
Um not visible to the naked eye? Actually it is. I notice it. With my eyes. SMH lol. Why do some people argue JUST to argue? There is a noticeable difference to the naked eye 100%.
Just because you never used the screen, or are a huge fanboy isn't my problem. My Gnex (like 3 years old) displays HD videos as sharply as my 70" smart TV. My N5 (new) doesn't even come close. It looks grainy and pixelated.
I think u dont know anything about displays ..and I hope you are not comparing a HD video..hope those are "Full HD" videos ..
And one of the best hardware review site said this about the display of N5 ..Now I dont know whether YOU are more intelligent and knowledgeable or the guys at Anandtech... The problem is that u were using a phone thats generations old now
.and here is the review..a part of it:
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Um not visible to the naked eye? Actually it is. I notice it. With my eyes. SMH lol. Why do some people argue JUST to argue? There is a noticeable difference to the naked eye 100%.
Just because you never used the screen, or are a huge fanboy isn't my problem. My Gnex (like 3 years old) displays HD videos as sharply as my 70" smart TV. My N5 (new) doesn't even come close. It looks grainy and pixelated.
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The problem is that u dont know about pixels either..when u run a 720p video on a screen that has much less pixels built in then it would look fine..
But when u run at a 720p video on a screen whose resolution is 1080p then obviously it wont look that sharp..
i have a Dell Ultrasharp and thats one of the best monitors on the planet..so trust me I know how displays should be like..
EDIT: The reviewers at Anandtech said that the screen is even better than Note 3 ..and u are comparing it to a Galaxy Nexus
I think XDA membership should only be given to those people who have basic technical knowledge so that threads like this one can be avoided..
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Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
Who cares if I'm comparing n5 to a gnex??? Gnex looks better. Colors don't even look over saturated lol. Maybe that's because my gnex has a custom kernel with custom colors on it.
Okay so we took out the part of over saturation. So now pixelated effect. Gnex > n5.
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Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
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you do realize that its a matter of taste, right? it might look better to you, but to someone else it might look like trash. "looks" isnt an accurate method to measure which is better, just like "feels" isnt an accurate way to measure temperature.
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It looks grainy and pixelated.
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Are we talking about the same phone here? LG's OLED screen on the G Flex is exactly as you describe.
Thankfully I haven't been tainted by OLED yet but I can safely say the Nexus 5's IPS LCD is of superior quality than my $400 BenQ 120Hz TN display from a few years back. Also much nicer to look at than the majority of 15" 1080p mobile screens you find in $900 laptops.
If you're rooted I think you can boost colour saturation which would somewhat mimic the look you're going for.
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Just because you buy a plane doesn't make you a pilot...
Obviously they are "full HD" lol. Use whatever tactics you would like to try to "prove" me wrong...
But the fact of the matter- the point I was trying to make, is
The galaxy nexus screen looks better to the naked eye than the n5 display does. Point blank period. Put the two side by side and it become obvious.
Who cares if I'm comparing n5 to a gnex??? Gnex looks better. Colors don't even look over saturated lol. Maybe that's because my gnex has a custom kernel with custom colors on it.
Okay so we took out the part of over saturation. So now pixelated effect. Gnex > n5.
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Dude..N5 has a full RGB display..Amoleds dont.. The only little tiny tiny tiny issue with N5 display is that the colors are warm and so there is a slight yellow tint..and thats coz the gamma is set to 1.8 all across..
Now if you correct that gamma then the yellow tint will disappear..Right now my N5 has a gamma of 2.2 all across ..and 2.2-2.4 is the most accurate for any display in the world ..2.2 being the best
Now if you dont have any idea what I said then google is your friend..
And trust me u need it..u r in need of some serious knowledge..loads of it..
And now I cannot waste my knowledge and time with you any more..this conversation is over..
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you do realize that its a matter of taste, right? it might look better to you, but to someone else it might look like trash. "looks" isnt an accurate method to measure which is better, just like "feels" isnt an accurate way to measure temperature.
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Whatever lol. I'm so done with this thread. I don't care how old a gnex is. It just looks better. Sure you are right, but as far as I'm concerned, that only has to do with the "color saturation levels".
I can watch the same video on both phones. Full HD. On my gnex, I can read the writing on paper money in movies. I can see designs / patterns in the iris of someones eyes. I can see every nook and cranny or the trunk of a tree.
On the N5 it just looks lower quality. I can see the color of someone's eyes but really no specific pattern. The picture isn't sharp enough. I can see a blurred image of what looks like text on money or papers on the N5.
Newer isn't always better lol
Got my N6 today and as soon as I powered on, noticed that I can see what looks like a faint grid like pattern on the display, vertical lines. Most noticeable with brighter colors, like white, etc. It's very faint, but noticeable. Is this normal, everyone else have this?
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Got my N6 today and as soon as I powered on, noticed that I can see what looks like a faint grid like pattern on the display, vertical lines. Most noticeable with brighter colors, like white, etc. It's very faint, but noticeable. Is this normal, everyone else have this?
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Is it dots in a grid or lines?
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It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/
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It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/
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Hmm not too sure to be honest.. Id gve it a couple weeks and wait till more info on the n6 is available.
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It's not dots, more like linear streaks. Most noticeable with brightness set below 30%/
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I've noticed this on almost all phones I've had with Gorilla Glass.......something in the manufacture I think......normal as far as I know.
EDIT: NVM........duh......I forgot, that was the glass screen protectors. Maybe sensors??
It's not the glass, but the display itself... Used to be common with amoled displays, but that was a few years ago. From what I've been reading, the amoled panel used on Nexus 6 isn't exactly one of the best. I need to compare to a display model or something...
Sounds exactly like the digitizer too me, but I could be wrong. Haven't heard anyone else mention it. So either that or maybe u got a lemon? That's my best guess unfortunately
Nah, it's not the digitizer... Maybe I should explain better. It's not a straight grid, but rather a "plaid" design of very faint vertical and horizontal "streaks". It only shows up on certain colored backgrounds. You kind of have to look for it... More noticeable when brightness set to below 50% in a darker room. I dunno, maybe it's just the lesser quality amoled display panel they used on this. I think I really need to compare it with a display model maybe.
Is it that mura effect? If you go to an all black screen in a dark room do you see it?
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Lol, no... It's visible on light colored backgrounds.
it definitely sounds like amoled background texture.
it's just the nature of the beast. the pixels on amoled are not worn exactly at the same level and produce very minimal differences of light output from pixel to pixel. most people won't notice but it's there. as time gets by and pixels are worn more unevenly the effect because more pronounced. best way to check it out is putting a white background and play with brightness. at some levels, what should be totally white it has an inherent unchangeable pattern.
nexus 6 is not too bad but I guess it will get worse with time. watch out for burn in, it will happen. the note 4 is a next gen display and it's hard to see this effect at all.
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it definitely sounds like amoled background texture.
it's just the nature of the beast. the pixels on amoled are not worn exactly at the same level and produce very minimal differences of light output from pixel to pixel. most people won't notice but it's there. as time gets by and pixels are worn more unevenly the effect because more pronounced. best way to check it out is putting a white background and play with brightness. at some levels, what should be totally white it has an inherent unchangeable pattern.
nexus 6 is not too bad but I guess it will get worse with time. watch out for burn in, it will happen. the note 4 is a next gen display and it's hard to see this effect at all.
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Thanks, you nailed it. Do you see it on yours as well? The visibility definitely changes depending on the screen brightness and background color. With normal usage so far, I don't really notice it much, bit it's still there. Another way to describe it I guess is that it sort of looks like faint grayish "stains" on the back of the glass.
OK, set your brightness to around 50% and open up the Clock app... see anything? On mine, looks almost like someone took a wide paintbrush and dragged it down the screen, lots of dark vertical streaks. Anyone see that?
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OK, set your brightness to around 50% and open up the Clock app... see anything? On mine, looks almost like someone took a wide paintbrush and dragged it down the screen, lots of dark vertical streaks. Anyone see that?
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Do you think if you took a picture of the screen it would show up?
I'll try... Will have to do it with my tablet
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Thanks, you nailed it. Do you see it on yours as well? The visibility definitely changes depending on the screen brightness and background color. With normal usage so far, I don't really notice it much, bit it's still there. Another way to describe it I guess is that it sort of looks like faint grayish "stains" on the back of the glass.
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Yes, it's pretty obvious to me. I just noticed after two days of heavy use that burn-in has started right where the notification bar ends. Not very apparent but noticeable already after 48 hours of use. I can't imagine what this display would look like a year from now.... It's obvious Samsung if keeping their best AMOLEDs for themselves and this is 1-2 year old tech albeit with super high PPI. Between this super average display, average battery life but with premium price starting to think to sit this one out.
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Yes, it's pretty obvious to me. I just noticed after two days of heavy use that burn-in has started right where the notification bar ends. Not very apparent but noticeable already after 48 hours of use. I can't imagine what this display would look like a year from now.... It's obvious Samsung if keeping their best AMOLEDs for themselves and this is 1-2 year old tech albeit with super high PPI. Between this super average display, average battery life but with premium price starting to think to sit this one out.
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So you do have the N6? Are you thinking of sending it back? I might... after I compare to a display model at T-Mobile just to see. Here are some shots I took...The photos make it look worse than it actually is in person, but this is pretty much what I'm dealing with.
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So you do have the N6? Are you thinking of sending it back? I might... after I compare to a display model at T-Mobile just to see. Here are some shots I took...The photos make it look worse than it actually is in person, but this is pretty much what I'm dealing with.View attachment 3024612
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Yeah, the Nexus 6 is a bag of compromises. If it's your first Nexus device it will feel quite nice. I have a Nexus 5 and frankly, after Lollipop the Nexus 5 feels like new. Sure battery life sucks, but N6 is not that much better. I really like the screen of the Nexus 5, accurate colors and no burn-in problems.
The display of the Nexus 6 is a pain point for me. I'm trying of giving it a chance, but it's starting to feel like a let down.. Have you seen the display of the iPhone 6+ or the LG3? they are amazing LCD displays. Just more accurate colors and none of the AMOLED issues. I wish the N6 had one like that. I'd be sold if it did.
I really didn't like the display on the G3, lol. I do have a Galaxy Tab S 10.5 and screen is amazing, blows away N6. The only thing holding me back on Note 4 right now is Touchwiz... such a shame they went with this display on the N6, it's otherwise super fast and Lollipop is great... but these lines already driving me nuts and hard to justify spending 650 on a phone with this screen. Ugh... compromise is right. Need to think on this one.
I'm getting concerned now. The description of a "faint grid like pattern on the display" sounds like what the galaxy nexus suffered from and it looks horrible at low brightness levels.
For me a screen with "issues" is a major turn off as for me the screen is the most important thing, and unfortunately it seems like the one used in the nexus 6 has too many compromises.
I just don't want another samsung device
I was so happy with the thought of a 6" amoled display with stero front facing speakers and stock android as the icing on the cake and now all this.
Initially I thought the nexus 6 display was just less bright than the note 4 which I could have lived with but as I do a lot of viewing in the dark at low brightness levels the graininess and grid like patterns with streaking etc will be too much for me
Hi all. Got my Google Play Nexus 6 today, overall awesome phone, but I was really dismayed to see that the phone has some faint horizontal and vertical banding. It is somewhat faint, and is really only noticeable against a grey or darker blue background (like the color of the quick settings pull down). There is also a degree of "graininess", also only visible against darker colored backgrounds. I'm just annoyed because this was originally a big problem with the first-gen OLED HD on my Galaxy Nexus, and here we are, at least 2 generations later and it's still a problem. Heck, my 2013 Moto X didn't have this issue, so why does my Nexus 6? Does anyone else have any graininess or banding against a grey/darker background? Should I bother RMA'ing this thing, or like the GNexus, is this issue widespread?
Thanks for your perspective, fellow Nexus 6 owners.
Do you mind posting some pictures?
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I will try to take a few when I get home. It might be tough, since it's a subtle effect, but I'll definitely try. If you happened to own a Galaxy Nexus though, it's identical to the problem that plagued those displays.
I also just got my first phone call, and the earpiece volume at maximum is barely audible. Maybe I just have bad luck with Nexuses (Nexii?).
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Hi all. Got my Google Play Nexus 6 today, overall awesome phone, but I was really dismayed to see that the phone has some faint horizontal and vertical banding. It is somewhat faint, and is really only noticeable against a grey or darker blue background (like the color of the quick settings pull down). There is also a degree of "graininess", also only visible against darker colored backgrounds. I'm just annoyed because this was originally a big problem with the first-gen OLED HD on my Galaxy Nexus, and here we are, at least 2 generations later and it's still a problem. Heck, my 2013 Moto X didn't have this issue, so why does my Nexus 6? Does anyone else have any graininess or banding against a grey/darker background? Should I bother RMA'ing this thing, or like the GNexus, is this issue widespread?
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gnex guy here, so I know what you're talking about. I see very slight banding on dark gray backgrounds. I would have missed it if I didn't know what to look for.
I definitely see graininess on lighter backgrounds, and it's exacerbated at low brightness settings.
neither is enough to make me even consider an RMA though.
Gotcha. Hmm, maybe you're right... if it's common, maybe I should just deal. Do you also have a really quiet earpiece? That's my only other issue right now: even on max volume, i can barely hear the person on the other end of a call.
I'm also a former gnex user, still have it somewhere too lol. I remember making Verizon send me 2-3 replacements until I finally gave up and accepted the screen. I'm not noticing it on my N6. Only complaint I have about the screen is the yellow tint when looking directly at it.
I definitely see the same issue. The problem really is a pentile arrangement of the pixels. It has always been the case with AMOLED panels.
Mine has this as well its just how amoled pentile is...this is the one thing that disappointed me about the 6..wish they used super amoled or LCD instead.
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Mine has this as well its just how amoled pentile is...this is the one thing that disappointed me about the 6..wish they used super amoled or LCD instead.
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Samsung Super AMOLED panels are pentile as well.
I'm sorry to see that you guys are seeing this. Mine doesn't display these issues. My panel doesn't exhibit this behavior which is nice because I was worried about it.
The easiest test that I do for my panels is to kick Tapatalk into dark mode or open chrome and close all tabs so you're looking at a black screen with the white plus in the corner.
Must be an issue with the midnight blue models as my cloud white is damn near flawless.
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So lcd like n5 has backlight leak and n6 has banding. There is no perfect display.
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So lcd like n5 has backlight leak and n6 has banding. There is no perfect display.
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Yes, SAMOLED like the tab s line [emoji16]. That display is deadly. Drop dead gorgeous.
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Samsung Super AMOLED panels are pentile as well.....
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AFAIK Sammy hasn't used pentile on their flagships for a while. Their newer phones are all RGB.
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AFAIK Sammy hasn't used pentile on their flagships for a while. Their newer phones are all RGB.
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That's what I've been told as well.
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AFAIK Sammy hasn't used pentile on their flagships for a while. Their newer phones are all RGB.
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That's what I've been told as well.
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I believe the Note 4 uses a " Diamond Pentile Matrix"
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I believe the Note 4 uses a " Diamond Pentile Matrix"
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I believe thats a higher density arrangement, something the n6 could have used.
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That's what I've been told as well.
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They're all pentile... Note 3/4, GS4/5 all utilize pentile displays. As far as banding on those goes, I had to trade in 3 Note 3s to get one where I didn't notice it.
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It's because AMOLED screens are garbage and just plain suck. The Nexus 6 screen is much more better than the GNex though. I can tolerate it.
I definitely agree that it's tolerable. On my GNexus, any dark screen had noticeable banding on it. In this case, it is much more difficult to notice. I can deal if need be.
What about the earpiece volume? Does everyone's Nexus have very low earpiece volume? Speaker phone is very loud, but the actual earpiece is almost inaudible.
There seems to be an tracker open for this Issue: https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=80817
I'd recommend that anyone affected star it.
This is mine at 1/3 Brightness (auto=off) using the Chrome no tabs page as a control background. I just opened a RMA with the play store. The dark areas are distinctly pink on a while background.
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So lcd like n5 has backlight leak and n6 has banding. There is no perfect display.
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Did you seriously comment this while discussing a $700 phone?!?!?!
For the author of the post: I as well see the vertical banding and does not matter what wallpaper is on, I can see it when scrolling my screens left and right. Best to see is dark gray - I placed the wallpaper that's of that solid color and boy am I now pissed... Paid $744 for what - another OPO $hi!?!? Called Google - they will respond within 24-48hrs... they better do something... plan to have the device replaced if they don't magically tell me how to get rid of the lines... if replacement is the same, so long Nexus - will get my money back!
I knew Motorola would screw something up, I just waited to see what exactly...