I have set up the CM7 on an SD boot and it works for the most part.
However it seems very unstable, about 3/10 uses it will crash apps. I really only have Aldiko and the Nook App on it and maybe Angry Birds and a Task Killer.
Aldiko and Nook etc will just go into an error loop saying the app stopped unexpectedly and then I have to hold the power button to shut it down.
My question is if this is typical of using the SD root method?
Then, if I do a full hardware root/ROM is it generally more stable in your experiences?
I suspect that part of my problems are the SD card itself, I had a 4GB Class 2 Sandisk card initially and it worked well but it was very very slow. So I got a Transcend brand 8GB Class 6 card which should work, it is a big name brand and all, and is much faster but CM7 seems very unstable. Is it all just the card?
Yes, your card is the culprit. So far from people reporting here you need a SanDisk Class 4 card. Its all about the 4k read/write speeds of the card you're using. You want a 1.0+ in CrystalDiskMark to get decent performace and get rid of the FC's. I am using the card I linked here and have not had any problems running apps or the Nook freezing.
- Aerlock
I had similar problems (sometimes intermittently) using an A-data card, I think it was 8GB class 6. I finally installed to emmc and have not had any problems since. The CM7 nightlies go to the point of being so good that I never needed to boot into stock anymore anyway.
So if I get it working on the SD, is it even worth doing the perm internal ROM mod?
Or is the SD MOD just as good/better?
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So if I get it working on the SD, is it even worth doing the perm internal ROM mod?
Or is the SD MOD just as good/better?
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Running off the SD is so good I haven't even felt like trying to put it on the internal memory. The only thing you lose by running it from the SD card is the ability to pop out the SD card whenever you want, though the only times I've popped out the SD card is to put the newest nightly on the boot partition. And thats just cause I've been too lazy to figure out the exact mount commands to mount it on the nook. If I want to get/put files off/on the SD card I just plug it into my computer.
- Aerlock
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So if I get it working on the SD, is it even worth doing the perm internal ROM mod?
Or is the SD MOD just as good/better?
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Internal is always more stable.
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I didn't run any benchmarks when I had it on a SD card (16 GB SanDisk class 4) but it seemed about as good as it has been after switching to eMMC.
The CM7 SD card mounts internal memory on mmcblk0 and uses it... (I presume for caching, etc) Speed of the SD shouldn't cause crashes. Slowness yes, but crashes?
Re: SD vs. eMMC, an SD install can be just as fast and stable as eMMC, but SD installs also seem somewhat prone to suddenly and mysteriously losing that stability, developing FCs, WiFi issues, lag and even freezes/crashes. There are also more robust and straightforward tools for managing eMMC installs; both CWM and ROM Manager tend to have quirky interactions with SD installs, performing some operations on the SD partitions and others on the internal partitions. I would advise anyone who finds that their SD install has become their sole or primary OS to eventually move it to eMMC. Even if you're still using stock quite a bit, an eMMC dual boot (see my sig link) has advantages over running one system from SD--mainly, that the two OSes can both use the SD for storage.
gyrfalcon said:
The CM7 SD card mounts internal memory on mmcblk0 and uses it... (I presume for caching, etc) Speed of the SD shouldn't cause crashes. Slowness yes, but crashes?
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See this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12964262
There's no such thing as "Speed of the SD." There are several metrics, primarily large sequential vs. small random reads and writes. Card class (what most people assume equates to "speed") is based on the former, whereas performance as a boot drive correlates with the latter. A card optimized for large writes tends to suffer badly in small-block random r/w. There's no such thing, presently, as a card optimized for small-block r/w, but SanDisk class 2, 4, and unclassed cards tend to have very balanced benchmarks, with reasonable performance across all metrics. This places their small-block r/w speeds 10x and 100x ahead of a card optimized to meet class requirements.
I've also been hearing there's an issue with some cards reporting their reads and writes using an oddball protocol that's currently unsupported in the kernel.
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Hey everyone,
I currently run CM7 off an SD but I was wondering if there are benefits to replacing the stock os on the emmc?
Are there any speed differences or technical pros to it?
Thanks for the input! This is a really fantastic forum!
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joelszs said:
Hey everyone,
I currently run CM7 off an SD but I was wondering if there are benefits to replacing the stock os on the emmc?
Are there any speed differences or technical pros to it?
Thanks for the input! This is a really fantastic forum!
sent from my nook color
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From my experience the booting time is almost half if using emmc version. (SD card version ran on a class 4 card). After booting the performance is almost same. You may get better boot time for sd card using a class 6 or class 10 card.
I dont have an answer for you as i picked mine up yesterday and decided to go the SD route at the start i am curious on this question myself.
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I dont have an answer for you as i picked mine up yesterday and decided to go the SD route at the start i am curious on this question myself.
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Well from my experience, running from the SD card is very smooth... so for ease of use i highly recommend it for a first go.
I have a follow up question- for some reason my macbook recognizes the second partition of my sd card but my pc desktop does not. I am referring to the partition generated for storage by the CM7 installation process that allows storage on the data card simultaneously.
Any ideas why this would be?
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joelszs said:
Well from my experience, running from the SD card is very smooth... so for ease of use i highly recommend it for a first go.
I have a follow up question- for some reason my macbook recognizes the second partition of my sd card but my pc desktop does not. I am referring to the partition generated for storage by the CM7 installation process that allows storage on the data card simultaneously.
Any ideas why this would be?
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I use Macs and Windows machines rarely (and I am guessing you run Windows on the desktop) but my guess is the ext4 partitioning that CM7 uses.
I seem to recall that working- at least somewhat- on Mac but not on Windows, but I am not positive.
i chose sd, because it's super easy to backup my sd card as an image by popping it into my laptop. I can then burn that image back to a sd card if i want to try a new android build without messing up my default android install. I can always boot into the original nook os if i want as it is unmodified.
i used a class 2 and it was pretty slow. moving up to a class 6 and 10 has really helped and i don't notice any slowness.
i have not run off internal memory though so i don't have a baseline to compare.
eMMC is faster than my class 2 uSD cards, and it's easier to swa stuff back and forth from a computer/phone/camera/whatever with a removable uSD.
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Cool, I've been wondering about this myself and was about to make this same thread.
I was concerned because I get a ton of force closes running off the SD, and I wondered if that was a problem that would be solved by going to eemc. Or if somehow I've made a mistake setting up my card and that's the issue. I'm very knew to this whole scene, so I'm still a bit scared of rooting at the moment and would love to iron out the problems I'm having with the SD booting. Things run fast, and fairly smoothly but eventually something will force close, like Market, and then Google Frameworks and then pretty much everything will refuse to run after I tap their icon. Forcing me to restart. Also, some things, trying to download new skins for Beautiful Widgets is impossible. Only get force closes.
I can't figure out if it's anything in particular that causes it to spiral out of control. And what makes it more annoying is this is my girlfriend's new Nook, I'm trying to get it set up for her to work as smoothly as possible. If it was just mine, I wouldn't be as bothered by messing around and trying different configurations and whatnot. But I know she won't be as patient and tolerant of these issues and won't want to keep bugging me with every problem that pops up.
Would you say this is likely a localized problem on my end through some fault of my own? From this thread, it seems people are having pretty great experiences with the SD method. Which might be reassuring. I think I'll do a backup and start from scratch this evening.
@JRSly: What type of uSD card are you using. I was experiencing the same problems you had with booting, force close, refuse to run, thus a final restart. After swapping out four different types of uSD cards, SanDisk (class 2 and 4), A-DATA (class 6), Patriot (class10), I finally deteremined that the Nook is very picky about the type of card. All the cards work fine in my digital camera or PCs, but the A-DATA and Patriot are slow and often hang in the Nook. I am now using the three Sandisk cards with no problem. I recently updated to Nookie Froyo 6.8.5 and it runs great on the SanDisk cards. Just for the test if it will run faster on A-Data (class 6), wouldn't you know it starts to hang and FC just like before. I guess I'll use the A-Data card in my digicam. Try a Sandisk card and see what happens. I even try one of my old Sandisk 2GB card from my Blackberry which is unmarked but has a class 10 performance when measured.
I'm very new to this... and I keep seeing emmc.
What is this? Internal memory?
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@JRSly: What type of uSD card are you using. I was experiencing the same problems you had with booting, force close, refuse to run, thus a final restart. After swapping out four different types of uSD cards, SanDisk (class 2 and 4), A-DATA (class 6), Patriot (class10), I finally deteremined that the Nook is very picky about the type of card. All the cards work fine in my digital camera or PCs, but the A-DATA and Patriot are slow and often hang in the Nook. I am now using the three Sandisk cards with no problem. I recently updated to Nookie Froyo 6.8.5 and it runs great on the SanDisk cards. Just for the test if it will run faster on A-Data (class 6), wouldn't you know it starts to hang and FC just like before. I guess I'll use the A-Data card in my digicam. Try a Sandisk card and see what happens. I even try one of my old Sandisk 2GB card from my Blackberry which is unmarked but has a class 10 performance when measured.
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I feared that this might be a possibility too. My first attempts were with a little 2Gb card I'd had lying around and it didn't work very well at all. I couldn't get past installing Gapps for all the force closes. The next day I went to Target to get a larger 8 Gb one so I could also play around with Honeycomb, it's a Class 6 Lexar card. I started over last night and tried a couple of attempts at wiping and burning the image and inevitably ran into the same problems. It looks like a crummy(at least in terms of what the Nook likes) card is a distinct possibility. I'll give Sandisk a shot.
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I'm very new to this... and I keep seeing emmc.
What is this? Internal memory?
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Yup. (I didn't get it either.)
Since MMC is a sibling of SD cards, it's basically dedicated internal SD storage with a controller.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard#eMMC
BlizzofOZ said:
I'm very new to this... and I keep seeing emmc.
What is this? Internal memory?
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You got it in one.
sd card is self explanatory, of course, and emmc is the internal memory of the NC.
The only DISADVANTAGE to running on emmc is that you lose the stock B&N version of Android.
Other than that- it boots a bit faster, may run a bit faster and be less likely to have force closes and similar problems.
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Yup. (I didn't get it either.)
Since MMC is a sibling of SD cards, it's basically dedicated internal SD storage with a controller.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MultiMediaCard#eMMC
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That's what I thought!
Thanks for the cofirmation
Currently I am running CM7 off internal memory and I have a SD card that has the apps and what-not on it.
I bought another SD card with the idea of making it a bootable Honeycomb install so I can try it out. I mean I completely enjoy CM7 and have everything set up perfectly the way I want it, but I also like trying new stuff.
So the question is this. Is it possible to do this in a way where the HC install won't affect the CM7 install? I mean when you go to install an app on HC would it put stuff on internal memory or somehow screw up the CM7 install? The idea is that when I want to go back to my stable CM7 I would just put its card in so the second HC card would just be for screwing around.
Anyway...that's the question. I'm guessing if I dug around enough and pulled information together from multiple threads I might figure it out, but perhaps others are interested in doing what I'm talking about too...so hopefully this is a useful post.
If you are running a ROM from SD, everything will be on the SD. The ROM is setup in such a way that it thinks the SD card is internal memory, so everything will get installed to it.
The only downside is that SD is much slower than internal (especially if you don't have a good card), so the experience usually suffers a bit.
You can certainly do this. I'm running stock 1.2 on EMMC and have a dualboot SD card of Phiremod(CM7) and Honeycomb (the latest version from Divine_Madcat). Nothing on internal is touched.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045018
Regarding performance on SD, I have a transcend, class 6 that works flawlessly for CM7 and is a tad slow on Honeycomb. Might pickup a class 4 Sandisk tomorrow (if the price is right!) as i've heard that those are the best and are consistently faster.
Thanks guys. Got it going and its not half bad. I think that if the EVER release the source, this would be an awesome OS for the Nook.
I know it has been asked a lot in the past, but searching didn't provide Milestone specific answer.
So If I buy Class 6 or Class 10, will the milestone be able to utilize the full write speed? I am running Cyanogenmod 7 RC0 (latest). At the moment I have 8GB class 4 Apacer microSD and tbh its a terrible card. All I get is 2.5 mb/s write on large files, but I am getting the same speed when the card is in card reader too so its not phone issue.
Thanks.
Maybe I'm wrong, but what I know is that the card class is the limit. It doesn't mean it will read/write at full speed all the time.
How are you testing your speeds?
Maybe SD Speed Increase help you.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImNvbS5zZGluY3JlYXNlLml0Il0.
I don't know how to test my speeds, but were getting 24mb/s read and 8mb/s write speeds in SD Tools ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/...1bGwsMSwxLDEsImFsZXMudmVsdXNjZWsuc2R0b29scyJd ). I'm using a Samsung 16gb Class2. I think the app is not calculating very well. Don't know.
I am using the SD card as USB mass storage instead of carrying separate thumb drive. I transfer a lot of large 1+ GB files.
I tried SD Speed increase last week and it does make a difference on smaller files, but when copying 2GB files it seems to start fast (like a burst mode), but if timed it takes exactly the same time to write something on the card.
I am going to change my 8GB card for 16GB today anyway I just wondered if class 10 is worth getting or should I get class 6 and save some money. Whatever I buy I will report back and test the speed.
I went ahead and bought Patriot LX 16 GB class 10 microSD. Now I get variable speeds from 3.5 mb/s to 8 mb/s depending on the file sizes. As I read somewhere this is due to fact that the phone is using MTP protocol to act as mass storage device.
Anyway with the old card I was topping only 2.5 mb/s no matter the file size, so it's definitely an upgrade and since class 6 was only 5$ cheaper I saw no reason not to buy the faster one, even if the milestone can't utilize its full capability. In the end its an old phone and I believe there weren't any class 10 cards out in 2009 anyway.
And one more thing, the camcorder isnt lagging anymore when recording videos
EDIT: After booting in recovery and clearing dalvik and cache partition I am getting 9.5 + mb/s, but it does start around 4.5 mb/s and then rises to its full speed. Cheers.
Except for the improvements in video recording, is there anything else that runs smoother for you when using the phone?
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Except for the improvements in video recording, is there anything else that runs smoother for you when using the phone?
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I think everytime any app need to access your sd, it will be smoother, like gallery, taking photos, loading maps cached in sd, music apps indexing songs, etc. Accessing apps installed on sd card may be loaded faster too.
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I think everytime any app need to access your sd, it will be smoother, like gallery, taking photos, loading maps cached in sd, music apps indexing songs, etc. Accessing apps installed on sd card may be loaded faster too.
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Thats right. Gallery loads faster, applications and games moved to SD start up faster etc. Don't know about maps, but I suppose they cache faster too.
However the main difference is when copying stuff to phone in mass storage mode. Thats why I got a higher class card in first place. While all other stuff related to reading from SD do seem snappier, the difference is not all that great since even Class 2 cards can read with high speed, but when it comes to apps that are writing the difference is obvious.
I'm using a Samsung Essentials 32GB Class 10 Card.
Gave me some troubles at first, something with sector sizes seemed wrong - but after formatting it with this tool https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_3/ it worked.
Someone in these forums suggested the tools - search for the link to find the recommended settings.
Alright, thx for the answer. For someone not using the phone the same way as you, do you think it would be worth the money to get a faster card?
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The difference between class 6 and class 10 right now is only few bucks. I don't see why not. You never know, may come in handy.
Here check this out, less then 1$ difference in price.
16GB microSDHC CARD Class 6 - Transcend
16GB microSDHC CARD Class 10 - Transcend
I wouldn't go below class 6 since the camera is lagging when recording videos.
Is it true that if a formatted microSD often will make it slow microSD?
It' unlikely, but possible.
My Samsung Essentials 32GB Class 10 card gave my Milestone hiccups at first (rebooted several times when powering on, rebooted every time I left USB mass storage mode) so I re-formatted it using these instructions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23494134&postcount=7417
Now everything works fine and I still get a little more than 10MB/s when copying movies via USB - so no loss here.
Hi all, a few questions here if you don't mind. I'm a recent owner of a HD+ and have had a great time with it but I am ready to get CM on it now. At first I wanted to dual-boot using either Hybrid or Pure but now I think I'm going to just to EMMC.
I have a lot of comics I want to store, if I'm using EMMC is there no problem using a 64gb class 10 card? From what I've read it seems that class 10 cards only cause problems if you are booting from the SD card?
If I do go hybrid or pure, it is better to use a class 4 (32gb max?) card for this correct?
I do think that I am just going to go the EMMC route, does doing this erase everything already on the Nook or just the OS? (I need to remove any other media myself?)
Thanks a lot for reading all that, and any help is much appreciated!
Installing CM into EMMC will erase every userdata and OS on it.
As long as you want to just store files on it, you can go and get the 64GB one.
My experience with those classes are that, that Class 10 is only fast for big continously written files like videos or songs in high quality.
Lower classes or non classified ones are often MUCH faster at tiny to medium sized files with much access on different adresses.
Backup everything, do a backup via SD recovery, then make factory reset via SD recovery and install CM10.1 plus GApps.
I am a HD+ owner since today and I have chosen to go directly to CM10.1 stable emmc, because I already had experience with SD ROMs from my old HTC HD2 (RIP) and I hated the lags and everything...
(I hate every vendor made bloatware that is stacked onto Android...)
The only thing I can say after my first day with vanilla CM10.1 is, THIS TABLET+PRICE+CM10.1 = AWESOME :laugh:
Hello,
I hope you're well, and I hope you're enjoying your Nook. Installing CyanogenMod on the Nook was the best thing I ever did (at the time Stock didn't have Google Play), so I hope you too enjoy CM.
Personally I do believe that installing CM10.1.3 (stable) on EMMC for general usage is the best way to go. I'd avoid CM10.2 for now, until a RC or stable version is released.
If you're running CyanogenMod (CM) on EMMC, there should be no problems at all as regards to what SD card you use. The storage size or class should not matter when on EMMC; although higher class is tied with better performance. The whole best SD card to use is 4GB class 4 arose when we didn't have the EMMC method of installation; back then we used to boot/install the whole CM on the SD card. Now, I don't think your SD card is as important - anything is a go, after all you're using it for storage only.
If you do go Hybrid or Pure, yes a class 4 SanDisk SD card is best. 4GB is also recommended, but you can go higher if you desire. If you do install on SD card, I'd recommend going Hybrid and not Pure. Out of the two, I'd just go EMMC (EMMC > Hybrid > Pure). However, if you do install on EMMC, everything will be erased on your internal; this includes your stock ROM, and all data/apps. You will however have all your B&N books saved on the B&N cloud.
All the best, any more questions please feel free to ask.
Jann F said:
THIS TABLET+PRICE+CM10.1 = AWESOME :laugh:
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I back this statement.
Thanks for your replies guys!
You pretty much cleared up any confusion/questions I had regarding this. Pretty sure I'm going to just do EMMC. Plus even with the GooglePlay on the Nook now, I still have a lot of games that aren't compatible or are from Humble Bundles, so I don't think I'll have much use for stock.
One more question and I'll leave you guys alone. I have a USB MicroSD card reader I got somewhere years ago. Am I to assume the newer microsdcards won't work with this? I'll have to keep an eye out for a good deal on both. Thanksfully black friday is only a month away in the US :laugh:
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I have a USB MicroSD card reader I got somewhere years ago. Am I to assume the newer microsdcards won't work with this?
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Haha, no problem at all! We're glad we could help.
Regarding your MicroSD card reader; it shouldn't be a problem, as SD cards haven't changed over the years - only the storage capacity. As long as your card reader can read MicroSD cards, and can write to them, you should be good to go. Of course however, I don't know what card reader you have, so there could be problems. I'm assuming it should be safe though.
All the best.
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Regarding your MicroSD card reader; it shouldn't be a problem, as SD cards haven't changed over the years - only the storage capacity. As long as your card reader can read MicroSD cards, and can write to them, you should be good to go. Of course however, I don't know what card reader you have, so there could be problems. I'm assuming it should be safe though.
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Nope, SD-Card Readers aren't compatible with SDHC/SDXC Cards as there are some differences.
SDHC-Cardreaders are compatible with every type.
SD-Reader --> SD -/-> SDHC/XC
SDHC/XC-Reader --> SD --> SDHC/XC
SD-Card = <4GB
SDHC-Card = >=4GB to 32GB
SDXC-Card = >=64GB to 2TB
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Nope, SD-Card Readers aren't compatible with SDHC/SDXC Cards as there are some differences.
SDHC-Cardreaders are compatible with every type.
SD-Reader --> SD -/-> SDHC/XC
SDHC/XC-Reader --> SD --> SDHC/XC
SD-Card = <4GB
SDHC-Card = >=4GB to 32GB
SDXC-Card = >=64GB to 2TB
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Thanks for the info! This is the specs of the card reader I have
"Versatile — 9-in-1 USB card reader that works with SD, SDHC, MMC, MMCplus, MMCmobile, RS-MMC, microSD, and miniSD, MMCmicro"
Seeing as it lists the SD and mircosd compatibilities separate, am I right to assume it cannot read the micro sdxc cards I am going to need?
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Thanks for the info! This is the specs of the card reader I have
"Versatile — 9-in-1 USB card reader that works with SD, SDHC, MMC, MMCplus, MMCmobile, RS-MMC, microSD, and miniSD, MMCmicro"
Seeing as it lists the SD and mircosd compatibilities separate, am I right to assume it cannot read the micro sdxc cards I am going to need?
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As it supports SDHC, your reader should be good to go with microSDHC cards.
Hi guys,
What is the fastest memory card speed G6 (not plus/play) can use? Somewhere I read Motorola recommends U1 or faster. Is it worth investing in a fast card?
E.g. a Sandisk 32GB 100/90 MB/s is the same price as a Samsung 64GB 100/60 MB/s so if the phone couldn't use the fastest speed anyway, I'd rather take larger capacity.
I'm planning to put apps on the card. My old phone has slowed down considerably when I did that, so if the G6 CAN use the faster speed, I'd prefer that.
Thanks!
Sandisk 160/60 card gets 77/44 on moto g6. The same card gets higher speed on a lower end phone. Apps run okay at that speed on g6 but don't know if consistent use for apps lowers overall performance. Other users should post their speeds so we can get an idea what's the max speed g6 can get out of microsd cards.
Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Plus A1/V30 (95/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
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Actualy in the meantime I bought the Sandisk Extreme Pro A1/V30 (100/90 MB/s), I just haven't installed it in the phone yet.
@e4noob what app did you use for benchmarking?
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I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.
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I used androbench. Please post the speeds on this card. I'll predict around 80/50. I have this suspicion that g6's card reader might be low quality. But it would be nice to be proven wrong on that.
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Okay I put the card in the phone and ran 4 tests with Androbench. The *best* results, rounded up to 5/50 from each category are:
Squential read/write: 80/65 MB/s
Random r/w: 4200/1400 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 950/1200/1900 QPS
This is a brand new Sandisk Extreme Plus 32GB card (95/90 MB/s) formatted as external storage.
Also ran 2 tests on internal storage (note this phone has been in use for 2 weeks and it's half full so there's certainly some data fragmentation):
Squential read/write: 260/100 MB/s
Random r/w: 11600/5300 IOPS
SQL Insert/Update/Delete: 1100/1200/1550 QPS
Not sure what to think of the SQL numbers but in the random r/w performance the internal memory trashes the memory card so it's probably not the best for running apps. Sequential write is quite close though so I guess Sandisk's claim of 4k video recording holds true.
Hm, I wonder if there are memory cards meant for faster random access (like an SSD) and would phones be able to take advantage of such speed?
Edit: fixed my mistake about what card I have. It's a Extreme Plus 95/90, not Pro.
~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.
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~ never mind, a rant was here how I can't format the card as internal storage but I found it. Good.
After formatting as internal, the phone complained the card is slow.
I let it move 4.5 GB of data from internal memory to the card, which the phone said would take 7 minutes. It was done in about a minute.
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I've seen that too (phone warning the card is too slow) when I was experimenting with internal storage format. If you face any issues like phone wigging out or apps going missing or card crashing, let us know here.
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If you face any issues like phone wigging out or apps going missing or card crashing, let us know here.
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No problems so far!
On my last phone with a basic Class 10 Kingston card, I had problems with apps disappearing after a reboot. It was especially annoying with Amazon Kindle which was the biggest (movable) app and I had to keep it in the phone memory.
No problems with the Moto. I even enabled the developer option to force apps which don't support it onto the card and they all work fine. Which is super cool especially for navigation apps with their massive offline maps. Neither Sygic nor HERE We Go support moving the app onto the card. (In both cases you can move the maps onto the card but only if it's formatted as external storage, not internal.)
Apps start really fast. I *think* I can sense some slowdown when running some apps like Duolingo and LingoDeer compared to when running from internal memory, but it might as well be my imagination. I see no slowdown when running Waze which is a lot larger. And the phone is slightly slower to boot but that's no biggie. It wasn't fast to begin with. But all the card apps are available IMMEDIATELLY upon booting, while on my old phone/card it took another minute to initialize.
Last night I noticed the phone tends to kill background apps way too aggressively, which is bloody annoying but I doubt that has anything to do with the card, it's more like another stupid Android/Motorola feature. (I have the adaptive battery feature disabled.)
Another odd thing is that the storage reports 5 gigs of games in the internal memory even when I moved all games onto the card, so that's clearly another Android bug.
So yea, I think it was worth it investing a little more in a faster card. I wish the phone would be faster overall but for what it is it's fine and the card isn't slowing it down so far.