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[Q] Help with Nandroid...what is it?

OK, I think I understand nandroid on a basic level. It backs stuff up. Everything. But I'm confused as to how it works. I have CM 6.1 RC1 on my phone right now. I want to try a Sense based ROM but don't want to lose everything. Especially my apps. If I do a nandroid backup before I install the new ROM will the data be compatible with the new ROM? Will the apps work with all their settings intact? Seems to me a different ROM would have weird little things that are incompatible. Seems to me nandroid is more of a way to revert to your previous ROM in case the new one doesn't work out. Does that sound right?

As I understand it, a nandroid back-up is basically a photo copy of your current rom, apps and settings. If you're using ROM manager go into that and choose the "Back up current ROM" choice and it'll back it up and save it to the SD card. If you install a new ROM you'll do a wipe and everything will be gone and then installed with the new ROM. To get it back to the way it was your have your back-up rom saved on the SD card and you can flash that to get it back to the way it was. Does anyone want to double check me on this since I could be wrong?

benutne said:
Seems to me nandroid is more of a way to revert to your previous ROM in case the new one doesn't work out. Does that sound right?
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That's exactly right. It's a flashable backup of a full ROM. If you want to only backup apps, use titanium backup.
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TheEscapist said:
That's exactly right. It's a flashable backup of a full ROM. If you want to only backup apps, use titanium backup.
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Flashable? So I don't have to install the old ROM first then do the nondroid restore?

benutne said:
Flashable? So I don't have to install the old ROM first then do the nondroid restore?
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A nandroid restore is done through recovery, not the ROM. So you could have a Sense based ROM and nandroid (assuming you have made one and it's on your SD card) to a CM ROM
What you should do is install a ROM, set it up how you like/want it then nandroid right away. You can do that with a few ROMS, test them out, choose your favorite and go with it, always keeping the option to go back to any of them

is it only done through rom manager, or can i get a nandroid backup in cwm recovery?

naranova7 said:
is it only done through rom manager, or can i get a nandroid backup in cwm recovery?
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You can backup in recovery. I never use ROM manager anyway.
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i second that duce rom manager is pretty bad now adays the only thing its good for is installing recovery and fixing permissons but thats about it.

Bierce22 said:
i second that duce rom manager is pretty bad now adays the only thing its good for is installing recovery and fixing permissons but thats about it.
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$su
#flash_image recovery /sdcard/nameofrecovery.img
.....
$su
#fix_permissions
.....
ROM manager entirely unnecessary

backup

Hello people, i'm just wondering if it's possible to creat a backup (and how) of my default ROM.
The objective is recover the phone if anything goes wrong.. tks a lot!

fmatos1460 said:
Hello people, i'm just wondering if it's possible to creat a backup (and how) of my default ROM.
The objective is recover the phone if anything goes wrong.. tks a lot!
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look at this, you can read all about it.
with clockworkmod recovery.
it's realy the best way to backup you'r rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1007863

You don't need to backup the ROM, but if you want to be able to recover all your apps and system data then pickup Titanium Backup from the market, and do yourself a favor and get the paid version its totally worth it. If you get the free version its slower, also you have to verify each app that it restores as it goes through the process. With the paid version its faster and you don't need to verify each app as it restores. Hope that helps!

titanium is only to backup you'r software.
wil not help if you mess up you'r rom

i want a thing to get back waranty it i need..

fmatos1460 said:
i want a thing to get back waranty it i need..
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Nandroid backup inside cwm u can flash stock recovery afterwards
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Saving a ROM's backup to my computer

I want to clear my phone completely back to bare-bones 2.1. I do want to save my last good set up with froyo, so;
1) Is it a good idea to do a complete restore.
2) Is it better to leave the phone as is (leaving b/u in tact) or can I save the last b/u to my computer? If so how (Tibu, ROM Man???). How would I return this file back to the phone if necessary?

I never do any more backing up than Titanium Backup of apps. I know clockwork recovery can make a nandroid backup. It saves it to a folder on the internal sd card (Clockworkmod I think) and you could copy that to your computer. Then copy it back if you want to restore. The feature is there, I assume it works, but I have never personally done it. You could do all this through clockwork recovery, make the back up, and restore later if you want. You can leave the backup on your phone after you go back to stock, odin will not clear it off unless you do a "Master Clear". Then you would just have to reflash clockwork recovery, and you could restore.

I've transferred both tibu and nandroid (rom manager) backups to my pc and then restored from them after a master clear by copying them back to the phone from the pc. With the nandroid backup, you have to reinstall the rom first, and it must be the same rom you backed up.
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Good advice thanks:
quarlow said:
I never do any more backing up than Titanium Backup of apps. I know clockwork recovery can make a nandroid backup. It saves it to a folder on the internal sd card (Clockworkmod I think) and you could copy that to your computer. Then copy it back if you want to restore. The feature is there, I assume it works, but I have never personally done it. You could do all this through clockwork recovery, make the back up, and restore later if you want. You can leave the backup on your phone after you go back to stock, odin will not clear it off unless you do a "Master Clear". Then you would just have to reflash clockwork recovery, and you could restore.
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creepyncrawly said:
I've transferred both tibu and nandroid (rom manager) backups to my pc and then restored from them after a master clear by copying them back to the phone from the pc. With the nandroid backup, you have to reinstall the rom first, and it must be the same rom you backed up
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I was thinking this was the case. My only concern is on the re-install, would I be correct in my asumption, that not only would I need the rom installed but the theme as well?

tomween1 said:
Good advice thanks:...would I be correct in the thought that not only would I need the rom installed but the theme as well?
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Disclaimer: I've not tried it. A nandroid backup restores everything in the rom plus apps, but not the kernel, so it should restore your theme and your apps. In that case you may not even need the tibu.
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creepyncrawly said:
Disclaimer: I've not tried it. A nandroid backup restores everything in the rom plus apps, but not the kernel, so it should restore your theme and your apps. In that case you may not even need the tibu.
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Well it's done, we'll see how it goes when I need it

I think the trick is having a working base rom and it being the same as the backup. Id be curious to try restoring a previous version of the same rom. How bad could it get?
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Want to know about backing up roms and restoring them
I want to know wheter we can backup a rom of one mobile and restore it in other mobile. please answer asap.

Abhishek1008 said:
I want to know wheter we can backup a rom of one mobile and restore it in other mobile. please answer asap.
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That may not be a simple question to answer with any certainty. I would not even consider attempting it unless both phone models are exactly the same, you didn't say for sure that this is what you were meaning. If the models are the same: insure they have the same bootloader and modem installed. Then I still would not do it unless the ROM on the second phone is comparable to the ROM you are moving to it. The reason for this caution is that partitioning schemes are not the same on all ROMs, it can even change in a newer version of the same ROM.

dawgdoc said:
That may not be a simple question to answer with any certainty. I would not even consider attempting it unless both phone models are exactly the same, you didn't say for sure that this is what you were meaning. If the models are the same: insure they have the same bootloader and modem installed. Then I still would not do it unless the ROM on the second phone is comparable to the ROM you are moving to it. The reason for this caution is that partitioning schemes are not the same on all ROMs, it can even change in a newer version of the same ROM.
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This :good:

[Q] nandroid backup??

can i restore a nandroid backup if i flash some other rom??
app data will also be restored i.e games levels etc..??

Nandroide is a image/snapshot that is stored on your SD card, that you always can flash back to later, after you e.g. have flashed another ROM.

this means i will be back on older rom..for backing data of apps use titanium backup??

There are 2 types of backups.
Nandroid is created using CWM recovery, which is an image file of everything you have got on ur phone. This backup is useful if u flashed another rom and for some reason you want to go back to original/stock rom. This is like recovery disc for ur windows computer, used for to go back to factory settings. Dont ever flash something else on ur phone without creating a nandroid backup. This is also useful in case of warranty repairs.
Second is app and data backup through titanium or such applications. This is more used if you want to backup all the apps u have installed on ur phone, so that for example, i have 200 + apps installed, i flash 3 different roms in 1 week, i dont want to spend time keep installing those apps again and again each time i flash a different rom, i will use titanium to backup all those apps n just restore those apps once i flash a new rom.
Hope this clears any doubts.
Cheers!!!
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creativedevil said:
There are 2 types of backups.
Nandroid is created using CWM recovery, which is an image file of everything you have got on ur phone. This backup is useful if u flashed another rom and for some reason you want to go back to original/stock rom. This is like recovery disc for ur windows computer, used for to go back to factory settings. Dont ever flash something else on ur phone without creating a nandroid backup. This is also useful in case of warranty repairs.
Second is app and data backup through titanium or such applications. This is more used if you want to backup all the apps u have installed on ur phone, so that for example, i have 200 + apps installed, i flash 3 different roms in 1 week, i dont want to spend time keep installing those apps again and again each time i flash a different rom, i will use titanium to backup all those apps n just restore those apps once i flash a new rom.
Hope this clears any doubts.
Cheers!!!
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thanks.got it now.wish i asked it earlier before losing data :-(

mandeep294 said:
thanks.got it now.wish i asked it earlier before losing data :-(
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What do you mean by "before losing data"? Did you do nandroid? If so, you still have everything on you.

creativedevil said:
What do you mean by "before losing data"? Did you do nandroid? If so, you still have everything on you.
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no didn't for my first flash

mandeep294 said:
no didn't for my first flash
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Oh oh... Thats not a good news.
Well, just in case, take a look at this thread... it has got a collection of Factory shipped ROMs, may be your version of IS is one of them and so if you want to go Stock, you can probably get back to Stock without not much of hassle.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1033922
And also, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1287111
Take a look at this link also, it has got a plenty of information about pretty much everything and also as per OP, its been updated weekly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1136463
Besides, I don't think there are much complications if you don't have Nandroid. Nandroid is basically a tool to go back to stock mostly in case of warranty repairs, but if your phone is not crapping out on you, as long as it works, you don't probably need Stock.
Hope you will not run into too many troubles.
Good Luck
Cheers!!!

already downloaded d stock one.actually quite easy to get back to stock..
one more q after i restored from nandroid, do i still need to resore apps from titanium??
and do i need to backup apps on sd card as card remains untouched during flash?

mandeep294 said:
already downloaded d stock one.actually quite easy to get back to stock..
one more q after i restored from nandroid, do i still need to resore apps from titanium??
and do i need to backup apps on sd card as card remains untouched during flash?
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After restore from nandroid, you do not need to restore apps from titanium.
It will keep a snapshot of your current rom, hence include your apps. It didn't include radio though, it is separate entity.
Your backup through titanium is save in sd card though.

creativedevil said:
There are 2 types of backups.
Nandroid is created using CWM recovery, which is an image file of everything you have got on ur phone. This backup is useful if u flashed another rom and for some reason you want to go back to original/stock rom. This is like recovery disc for ur windows computer, used for to go back to factory settings. Dont ever flash something else on ur phone without creating a nandroid backup. This is also useful in case of warranty repairs.
Second is app and data backup through titanium or such applications. This is more used if you want to backup all the apps u have installed on ur phone, so that for example, i have 200 + apps installed, i flash 3 different roms in 1 week, i dont want to spend time keep installing those apps again and again each time i flash a different rom, i will use titanium to backup all those apps n just restore those apps once i flash a new rom.
Hope this clears any doubts.
Cheers!!!
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I think this answers my question: I backed up my stock ROM before I S-OFF and rooted so, if I needed to go back to stock ROM for say warrenty issues, I should just be able to restore this backup, rather than have to download and flash a stock RUU? This will put me back to S-ON and unrooted? If so, pretty glad I did that

mandeep294 said:
already downloaded d stock one.actually quite easy to get back to stock..
one more q after i restored from nandroid, do i still need to resore apps from titanium??
and do i need to backup apps on sd card as card remains untouched during flash?
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No, if u restore it from nandroid, you dont have to restore any app data. Thats the benefit of nandroid. Its got everything as is including the background, the way you had it set up.
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VaderXI said:
I think this answers my question: I backed up my stock ROM before I S-OFF and rooted so, if I needed to go back to stock ROM for say warrenty issues, I should just be able to restore this backup, rather than have to download and flash a stock RUU? This will put me back to S-ON and unrooted? If so, pretty glad I did that
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Wait, how did u manage a backup before s-off?
The steps are,
Get s-off
Get root access
Install clockworkmod or any other recovery program
Boot into recovery
Backup ur current rom - aka nandroid
Enjoy flashing - for some reason if flashing goes bad, you will be safe and can restore and bring back ur phone to life with nandroid
To get back s-on for warranty repair, nandroid wont help. There are a couple of threads which explains how to do so. Check the links i have posted in one of my previous comments.
Good luck.
Cheers!!!
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creativedevil said:
Wait, how did u manage a backup before s-off?
The steps are,
Get s-off
Get root access
Install clockworkmod or any other recovery program
Boot into recovery
Backup ur current rom - aka nandroid
Enjoy flashing - for some reason if flashing goes bad, you will be safe and can restore and bring back ur phone to life with nandroid
To get back s-on for warranty repair, nandroid wont help. There are a couple of threads which explains how to do so. Check the links i have posted in one of my previous comments.
Good luck.
Cheers!!!
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Bloody good point! Getting way too confused with alot of this...need to take a break Don't need to go back to S-ON anyways, but have read around that some people are having problems showing S-ON once they have flashed back to stock RUU.
Thanks for putting me straight

creativedevil said:
There are 2 types of backups.
Nandroid is created using CWM recovery, which is an image file of everything you have got on ur phone. This backup is useful if u flashed another rom and for some reason you want to go back to original/stock rom. This is like recovery disc for ur windows computer, used for to go back to factory settings. Dont ever flash something else on ur phone without creating a nandroid backup. This is also useful in case of warranty repairs.
Second is app and data backup through titanium or such applications. This is more used if you want to backup all the apps u have installed on ur phone, so that for example, i have 200 + apps installed, i flash 3 different roms in 1 week, i dont want to spend time keep installing those apps again and again each time i flash a different rom, i will use titanium to backup all those apps n just restore those apps once i flash a new rom.
Hope this clears any doubts.
Cheers!!!
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Where is the thanks-button?
Just to clarify it more in a question.
Nandroid takes an image of your active OS with all the programs/settings/phonebook/calendar/facebookcontactlinks saved into it. So if you restore that image, your phone is back like nothing happened with all your hours of settings and apps included at point of image taking? Not even a factory reset?

fallenwout said:
Where is the thanks-button?
Just to clarify it more in a question.
Nandroid takes an image of your active OS with all the programs/settings/phonebook/calendar/facebookcontactlinks saved into it. So if you restore that image, your phone is back like nothing happened with all your hours of settings and apps included at point of image taking? Not even a factory reset?
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Thanks button is right below my post. Lol.
Anyways, answer to your question is, yes, it does back up everything as you have set on your phone.
It includes things like your wallpaper, your wireless passwords, your images and settings in camera, your games and game progress data, your contacts, your messages, even your emails, your notes... anything and everything you can think of, which is done by you on your phone, nandroid will create an image of everything as of the moment you create a backup.
For example, if you created a backup on 1st, then your flashed another rom, you didn't like the custom rom you flashed, so now you want to go back to the factory rom, you restore your phone from nandroid on the 10th, once the restoration is finished, you will be same as it is as you were on the 1st when you created a backup.
Hope this clears out any of the doubts.
Nandroid Backup is really powerful.
Good Luck.
Cheers!!!
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VaderXI said:
Bloody good point! Getting way too confused with alot of this...need to take a break Don't need to go back to S-ON anyways, but have read around that some people are having problems showing S-ON once they have flashed back to stock RUU.
Thanks for putting me straight
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Thing is, you will never need to go back to S-On until and unless your phone is legitimately broken and you have warranty and needed it fixed.
If everything is running smooth without any hiccups, you are better off with S-Off forever as long as you use your phone.
But, because you are now S-Off, first thing you want to do is to have a nandroid, which is your savior at the end.
So, my 2 cents worth suggestion would be, get S-Off, get root access, install CWM, boot into CWM and create a nandroid. Mount your SD Card, go to /ClockworkMod folder and copy that backup file from your SD Card to somewhere safe, probably on your computer. Once you did this much, do whatever you want to do with your phone. You can flash any ROM you want... Play with it... etc...
Good Luck
Cheers!!!

going back to stock dosent do s-on back

creativedevil said:
Thanks button is right below my post. Lol.
Anyways, answer to your question is, yes, it does back up everything as you have set on your phone.
It includes things like your wallpaper, your wireless passwords, your images and settings in camera, your games and game progress data, your contacts, your messages, even your emails, your notes... anything and everything you can think of, which is done by you on your phone, nandroid will create an image of everything as of the moment you create a backup.
For example, if you created a backup on 1st, then your flashed another rom, you didn't like the custom rom you flashed, so now you want to go back to the factory rom, you restore your phone from nandroid on the 10th, once the restoration is finished, you will be same as it is as you were on the 1st when you created a backup.
Hope this clears out any of the doubts.
Nandroid Backup is really powerful.
Good Luck.
Cheers!!!
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Thing is, you will never need to go back to S-On until and unless your phone is legitimately broken and you have warranty and needed it fixed.
If everything is running smooth without any hiccups, you are better off with S-Off forever as long as you use your phone.
But, because you are now S-Off, first thing you want to do is to have a nandroid, which is your savior at the end.
So, my 2 cents worth suggestion would be, get S-Off, get root access, install CWM, boot into CWM and create a nandroid. Mount your SD Card, go to /ClockworkMod folder and copy that backup file from your SD Card to somewhere safe, probably on your computer. Once you did this much, do whatever you want to do with your phone. You can flash any ROM you want... Play with it... etc...
Good Luck
Cheers!!!
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Yup, had all this for a while now, just had that original question about restoring a backup and thinking it would put me back to S-ON, not that I need to or have any intentions to do so.

mandeep294 said:
going back to stock dosent do s-on back
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You got it mate, no it doesn't bring S-ON back. Its a different procedure all together.
Read my other posts in this forum and you will know what I mean.
Cheers!!!

Cant restore CWM backup

Yesterday, I tried to change ROM (to check it out) so before this I did a backup in CWM.
What a surprise when CWM didnt restore this backup. I was looking through the internet for solution and I found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15431672&postcount=24
I have same problem as in first post of this thrade (when restoring data, the whole process is stopped) but this solution seems to be for HTC Desire. What could I do if I want data back?
Please help me.

r u using same version of CWM to backup and restore?
new version not backward compatible with an older version backup

Yes, it is the same version
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marek.ns said:
Yesterday, I tried to change ROM (to check it out) so before this I did a backup in CWM.
What a surprise when CWM didnt restore this backup. I was looking through the internet for solution and I found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15431672&postcount=24
I have same problem as in first post of this thrade (when restoring data, the whole process is stopped) but this solution seems to be for HTC Desire. What could I do if I want data back?
Please help me.
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i've been into situation like this b4 after a restore, cmw say it was a bad restore..i ended up into a soft brick.
now i never use cmw

marek.ns said:
Yesterday, I tried to change ROM (to check it out) so before this I did a backup in CWM.
What a surprise when CWM didnt restore this backup. I was looking through the internet for solution and I found this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=15431672&postcount=24
I have same problem as in first post of this thrade (when restoring data, the whole process is stopped) but this solution seems to be for HTC Desire. What could I do if I want data back?
Please help me.
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Did you chaged you kernel ? because some kernel and roms have different CWM versions.eg: version 4 backup is not copatible with 5cwm

lotus13 said:
Did you chaged you kernel ? because some kernel and roms have different CWM versions.eg: version 4 backup is not copatible with 5cwm
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No no, i didnt change anything. The problem is described in that link, it seems that some versions of cwm have problem with restore and have to be fixed than the restore should work. But I dont know how to fix it.

Just simply update CWM to a newer version before restoring the backup.
I pushed the commit long time ago so any "recent" cwm (5.x) will solve the problem.
Hope this helps

Thanks a lot LinoX, but there is only CWM v4.0.1.5 for x8 on XDA.
Is it useful (should I try it?) or do I need newer version? (as you wrote 5.x.x)

marek.ns said:
should I try it?
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if it is an unmodified build (from source) then yes (sometimes there're custom modified builds to add functions. Those recoveries can be problematic because they break more than they fix. Recoveries are really important and you should install only "trusted" ones.)
Try with this one and let us know if it suffices (I'm sure 5.x has the fix, I'm not sure if 4.x had it too...but you shouldn't do any damage..at most it will halt again when restoring)

It seems to work but after first restore there were many apps not be restored, so i did another one. It is better now but still there are about 5 apps not restored plus stock Internet browser (dont know if some other system apps too).
I think it is strange that after every restore there is not same result and not what was backuped at all.
Where could be a problem and is it worth to try restore until everything is restored?
It is true that backup was created by cwm3.2(seems ported from x10mini) included in gingerdx rom i use.
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marek.ns said:
It seems to work but after first restore there were many apps not be restored, so i did another one. It is better now but still there are about 5 apps not restored plus stock Internet browser (dont know if some other system apps too).
I think it is strange that after every restore there is not same result and not what was backuped at all.
Where could be a problem and is it worth to try restore until everything is restored?
It is true that backup was created by cwm3.2(seems ported from x10mini) included in gingerdx rom i use.
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what are you restoring exactly?

Everything Classic recovery backup(system + data + .anfroid secure + cache)
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Oh, i realized something.
There was a problem with my SD recently. I couldnt copy one file from sd to pc. And antutu benchmark always crashes when testing card reading.
Damaged sd may causes problems with restore i mean.
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maybe...

The last thing i'd like to ask.
Is there any tool with i could extract certain apps from the backup?
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excuse me,
what is the latest cmw version for x8? v4?
thanks b4

I found as a zip file only v4.
But there is v5 in custom kernels included.
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marek.ns said:
I found as a zip file only v4.
But there is v5 in custom kernels included.
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thanks, i found cmw v5 in some custom kernel

Hi, I have a nandroidbackup made using CWM 5.0.2.7. And I want to restore it. Now I have CyanogenMod7 and I have Clockworkmod 5.0.0.6.
So I copied the nandroidbackup from external_sd to internal_sd, and now when it shows up in my restore menu.
Is there any problem that the backup was made with Clockworkmod 5.0.2.7 and I restore it with Clockworkmod 5.0.2.6 ?