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with the release of froyostone rom for the hd2 which is sense + 2.2 officially from htc, I believe it would be much easier to port sense to the captivate and completely remove touchwiz.
First your posting in the wrong captivate forum section...second the Android os isn't something that can be magically ported to XX device just because XXX device has it or its working on it, for starters the hd2 is a non native android device, which means its running an android port, with the help of a half working linux kernel, loaded with haret bootloader, android 2.2 is coming in September so just sit tight and be patient, or you can download CM6 vibrant source and port it over to the captivate(you would have to make the captivates kernel compatible with 2.2, meaning backporting/patching etc) which ever you like.
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Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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ROFL thats some good stuff guys.
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
designgears said:
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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+1
where's some good ol' fashioned AOSP when you need it?
*hint hint* DG *hint*
Personally, I cant wait till all manufacturers realize we don't want to be forced into sense, touch wiz etc.
Make it default if you have to, but provide an option to enjoy raw, unadulterated android!!!
I guess we wait and see what Gingerbread does about that.
To the OP, why don't YOU port Android 2.2 to the Captivate AND also port Sense??
Joking aside I am going to be cooking for the Captivate soon. I'm just waiting for Froyo so I can get my hands dirty with Android .
Maybe even a Sense port??
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
gunnyman said:
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
rafyvitto said:
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it hasn't been done. There are (correct me if I'm wrong) absolutely no non-HTC android devices with the Sense UI. I know nothing about the HD2/Omnia II Sense port, but that's WinMo... not even remotely close to Android in terms of interoperability. I also feel like any ROMs designed to bring Sense UI to non-HTC android devices would be hit with C&D's since it's their proprietary software (hence why both Fancy Widget and Beautiful Widgets got in trouble originally when they launched on the market).
Don't get me wrong, good luck in porting it, hell even I like the look of it and would love the option, but considering how long Sense has been out for android (and numerous devices) and we don't see it on any non-HTC android devices, I have to believe it's been tried and just doesn't work (which is why you also don't see MotoBLUR/NinjaBLUR anywhere else either... or even TouchWiz on the EVO)
Also I think the HD2 and the Desire are the same hardware. If not the Desire it's another phone. That also makes porting Android pretty painless.
Hey, I'm starting a think tank to see if we can get an HTC Sense port started for the Vibrant.
This would be very hard to do, considering the lack of drivers and such, but it might be possible.
considering how long it took and they still never could get it to work on the original droid....highly doubtful
I love it when people create think tanks but contribute nothing....it's just a hey, wouldn't it be cool if we do this? and belongs in General Chat
actually there was a succesful port to the droid but you are right there are multiple threads about sense and the chances of it happening are very slim. devs do what THEY want to do not what other people do.
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actually there was a succesful port to the droid but you are right there are multiple threads about sense and the chances of it happening are very slim. devs do what THEY want to do not what other people do.
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thought it was still really really buggy?
yeah let's think tank about what an atrocity it would be to bring that abomination over...
G1 was probably the most developed phone... and there were about 100 threads shooting down Sense on the G1... it requires so much work... that its pretty pointless.. especially concidering a good amount of the widgets have been recreated... etc etc
What about it requires so much work? As a person with no programming experience what so ever, I have trouble understanding why what seems like mostly a different interface has so much trouble running on hardware that is clearly powerful enough to run it.
Just an honest question.
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What about it requires so much work? As a person with no programming experience what so ever, I have trouble understanding why what seems like mostly a different interface has so much trouble running on hardware that is clearly powerful enough to run it.
Just an honest question.
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you need to port the entire senseui framework over, not just the widgets
For starters most of the phones that Sense has been ported to are HTC phones that come with out it, there are exceptions though, HTC, makes Sense so stands to reason it would be easier to port to an HTC phone, as the tools support them.
Second, unlike porting Opensource items and OS's to other phones, HTC Sense is proprietary and licensed only for HTC phones, so it is not a grey area of porting, it is just illegal to port it.
The Sense UI is more than just a "Home Replacement" like ADW , Launcher Pro and even TouchWiz, it really ties in a lot deeper with the OS.
good going to de-rail the noob...
i use launcher pro plus and a scene dock its not the same but close enough since lp pro widgets are close to sense widgets it works ok
Not to mention having to build a kernel that supports sense
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I was wondering if dual booting would be possible on our phone? I've seen that the HD2 got winmo + android boot... But having some kind of Stable partition and a second "dev" one would be quite amazing...
Thanks!
I asked the same question, and my post was moved to Q and A. Most responses were that WinMo is not worthy of the hardware. WP7 didn't attract quite the same disdain.
I would really love to run WP7 on the captivate, and I think eventually someone will make it happen. I think WinMo would run amazingly smooth, but I doubt we'll ever find out.
The HD2 won't quite run android ROMs, you have to boot into WinMo, then restart in Android, but it is really easy to swap what "ROM" you are using. If the HD2 was capable of AT&T 3G, I would have one by now.
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Yes please to WP7 on Captivate. If nothing else i want to be able to run it for a few days to see how I like that new software. And check out the Xbox Live integration
yes, i only have one phone but would like to learn to do some basic development and it would be nice to have a stable rom to switch back to on the fly. i've had problems using nandroid and titanium backup. if anyone knows of a way to change to or add a secondary boot loader so multiple os's can be launched that would be awesome.
minmo might be a bit impractical but multiple android installations would be cool sweet.
Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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Ok.. well get a checklist started on what you would need:
A custom bootloader that would work with the Captivate.. And I'm sure people would want the choice to pick the OS upon bootup instead of having to go into the recovery screen and booting up from there.
It would also have to be compatible with working Android and Win7
Someone would then have to find the source code to Win7 - or at least the SDK for it and develop in whatever language its written in.
Then someone would have to code the drivers for the Captivate and Win7 mobile.
Pretty much.. it wouldn't be any type of "take n' bake" task and would be quite the project involving a ton of work.
I'm sure someone out there in the world will come up with it.. I mean someone took the time to port Android to the iPhone - so it "could" happen.. but most likely won't due to the huge amount of work it will take.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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At least there's a Samsung Omnia 7. It has a 4" SAMOLED like ours. I hope it has more in common with us as well so it would make the process easier.
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if winmo gets ported great, if not oh well, if you read the op it was not to get winmo but just used the hd2 as an example of dual boot on a phone. a boot loader is a starting point so can the topic go in that direction? i just dont want naysayers to get confused and tell us every reason we wont get or dont want winmo.
You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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You cannot just take the source code for WP7. It is not open source. You can port android to things, but not the other way around.
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As Dani897 said, the thread is not about porting WP7 to our phone, but just having dual boot to be able to have (lets say) one stable rom and one dev rom on the same phone...
seriously want this to happen figure it out
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this is already in other posts
Seems exactly the same as froyo, same speed at menu changes ect look exactly the same, will probly just stick with stock froyo if thats the case.
Stupid LG didn't even updated the kernel...
They still have the same kernel because they are waiting for some thing from nvidia. (That is what I understood)
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Updating the kernel doesnt do ****, how about a cup of 'inform yourself'.
They have most likely fixed the old one, which is enough.
Original Gingerbread has a newer kernel so that should be better, why would google implement it then?
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Original Gingerbread has a newer kernel so that should be better, why would google implement it then?
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Vista is newer than windows XP, so it should be better according to your logic.
New doesnt mean good. The kernel isnt that bad, just bugged. My guess is they're just going to fix the old one, which isnt a bad thing.
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Vista is newer than windows XP, so it should be better according to your logic.
New doesnt mean good. The kernel isnt that bad, just bugged. My guess is they're just going to fix the old one, which isnt a bad thing.
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I dont follow your logic, so you mean its better for LG to make som arbitrary bugfixing on the faulty kernel than using a newer one, which of course has a few bugs killed by nvidia themselves.
Honeycomb does not use this old kernel despite its working, why is that?
Definitivelly they solved that instalations freezig problem I am really looking forward to that ROM
Battery color is really ugly with the rest in gingerbread green...
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I dont follow your logic, so you mean its better for LG to make som arbitrary bugfixing on the faulty kernel than using a newer one, which of course has a few bugs killed by nvidia themselves.
Honeycomb does not use this old kernel despite its working, why is that?
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Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.
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Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.
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You don't need it, but it IS better. Vista isn't better then XP. Not the kernel but defenitely also NOT the whole OS. But I guess we have to agree that Gingerbread is better then froyo right? Then why would google implement a new kernel? Because it's better and adds a few more features. And if LG doesn't, I don't like that.
I agree that it's not necessary but in my opinion it is a bit stupid.
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Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.
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And 2.6.36 IS totally new kernel???? NO!! Holy ****, nVidia released new VERSION of android/linux kernel for Tegra2 with some improvements (which can be used in GB), but STUPID LG continues bugfixing old one.... great example of stupidity!
And you are defending LG... Are you on of LG stupid managers leading LG SW development?
My knowledge of prog. languages: C#. ABAP, C/C++....
I just hope they will bring Icecream Sandwich to the O2X!
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Vista has always been better than XP.
Have had Vista professional x64 from the beginning and it was way better and stable from the beginning. I don't get the whole Vista bashing thing.
Probably because it was a bit different and people didn't want to learn something new.
Windows 7 x64 is far better then Vista of course but I recently had the opportunity to use a win XP PC again and I was shocked how antique and dull this OS is.
(All of the Microsoft Operating Systems together are quite ok and I'd still take a proper Linux distro over all of them when it comes to working with a PC. But for a mix of work, media and gaming Win7 is the way to go.)
I'm no LG fan boy. I wont sit here and defend them for there choice of kernel. If they pick a new one they probably have reasons for that. If they keep the old one its because they thing that it wont make any big difference with a new one. But what does the Linux kernel get each update??? Hopefully some people here like my self might be Linux users on desktops to and there for be able to answer that question. But for you them that might not know. Its drivers updates and compatibility with new hardware. Does the O2X have some thing that's shining new inside? Not any more. The kernel that they are using now in 10D does have support for all the current hardware inside the O2X and from that point of view no reason to update it.
PS: I'm a arch user and always love to have the "latest" but I'm afraid that even if they pick the last one by Nvida it wont change as much as people here thinks.
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And 2.6.36 IS totally new kernel???? NO!! Holy ****, nVidia released new VERSION of android/linux kernel for Tegra2 with some improvements (which can be used in GB), but STUPID LG continues bugfixing old one.... great example of stupidity!
And you are defending LG... Are you on of LG stupid managers leading LG SW development?
My knowledge of prog. languages: C#. ABAP, C/C++....
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I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
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I just hope they will bring Icecream Sandwich to the O2X!
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Vista has always been better than XP.
Have had Vista professional x64 from the beginning and it was way better and stable from the beginning. I don't get the whole Vista bashing thing.
Probably because it was a bit different and people didn't want to learn something new.
Windows 7 x64 is far better then Vista of course but I recently had the opportunity to use a win XP PC again and I was shocked how antique and dull this OS is.
(All of the Microsoft Operating Systems together are quite ok and I'd still take a proper Linux distro over all of them when it comes to working with a PC. But for a mix of work, media and gaming Win7 is the way to go.)
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Vista is a load of bull****, and far from being stable from the beginning, what are you talking about?
Wanna know something funny? Win 7 is heavily built on the Vista kernel, they just updated it. Bam.
And we're still able to get the newest updates.
My point is -> Just because something was ****ty, doesnt mean you cant improve it.
You guys are just crying for no reason, an old kernel doesnt mean something bad.
Kernel is a important thing too. Gingerbread was specially made on .36 kernel. Upgraded kernel adds many new features regarding sched, io operation and overall performance if specific hardware driver is well written
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I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
Vista is a load of bull****, and far from being stable from the beginning, what are you talking about?
Wanna know something funny? Win 7 is heavily built on the Vista kernel, they just updated it. Bam.
And we're still able to get the newest updates.
My point is -> Just because something was ****ty, doesnt mean you cant improve it.
You guys are just crying for no reason, an old kernel doesnt mean something bad.
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I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
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But that is the problem, without .36 kernel we can't use everything form GB, because some things need .36 kernel... This (.32 kernel + GB) will be only new problem-making "solution" from LG.....but that their way of doing things... my girlfriend also wanted 2x as I have... no no dear LG....I bought her Galaxy S2... and why? YES WE all know... so dear LG, continue in making this **** and loose all your customers....
what are those things that need the new kernel?
Yeah really not the most relevant question but i really wanna now if it is any chance that it is possible to run old android like 1.0, 1.1, 1,5 or 1,6 on the p990 it would be kinda cool to try it, is there any chance this is possible, sorry for nooby question.
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why?
apart from "just for the fun of it"...
and probably not possible, need to backport a lot of drivers since I dont know of any tegra2 device running something lower than 2.x, and some kind of bootloader or port it to either gb or ics bootloader partitions.
more of an educated guess rather than actuall knowledge so take it like that.
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why?
apart from "just for the fun of it"...
and probably not possible, need to backport a lot of drivers since I dont know of any tegra2 device running something lower than 2.x, and some kind of bootloader or port it to either gb or ics bootloader partitions.
more of an educated guess rather than actuall knowledge so take it like that.
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Thanks just wanted to know if it was possible or not
But i found out that my friends old htc hero and my old spica
I like this thing too can't port any android lower than 2.x? donut? or eclair or something?
ilooze said:
I like this thing too can't port any android lower than 2.x? donut? or eclair or something?
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it would be awesome with donut on the p990
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it would be awesome with donut on the p990
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Please define "awesome". Sure, I can see how it would be interesting for a curious mind to try it out, just for the heck of it, kinda like running Windows 3.1 on Intel Core i7 with 4GB of RAM, or something... But I fail to see any practical reason whatsoever.
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Please define "awesome". Sure, I can see how it would be interesting for a curious mind to try it out, just for the heck of it, kinda like running Windows 3.1 on Intel Core i7 with 4GB of RAM, or something... But I fail to see any practical reason whatsoever.
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i would say awesome more like glorious, its like a ps3 and xbox 360 they are both great, but deeply u know that u wanna play old school like a n.e.s or atari 2600 u wanna try something that started it all thats why i want the "old android" the thing that started it all (I hope that undertstand that)
but isnt there a chance that we could port like donut to it, that would be glorious
is there a chance or... is this completly dead ? :crying:
ok im still gonna try to post here, is there a small chance that it could be ported ? it doesn't even have to be android 1.0-1,6 anymore is there any chance that ecleair could be ported ?
honestly, why do you want that?
it's not gonna be like old school games on pc or ps3, it's gonna be choppy and slow, bad rendering, bad scrolling feel and the likes, being lighter doesn't mean it's gonna operate properly, and I don't even think there's dual core support as well (but probably the linux kernel would handle it) as the first dual was the 2x and it run froyo as I recall.