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[Q] Sense 2.2 Rom

with the release of froyostone rom for the hd2 which is sense + 2.2 officially from htc, I believe it would be much easier to port sense to the captivate and completely remove touchwiz.

First your posting in the wrong captivate forum section...second the Android os isn't something that can be magically ported to XX device just because XXX device has it or its working on it, for starters the hd2 is a non native android device, which means its running an android port, with the help of a half working linux kernel, loaded with haret bootloader, android 2.2 is coming in September so just sit tight and be patient, or you can download CM6 vibrant source and port it over to the captivate(you would have to make the captivates kernel compatible with 2.2, meaning backporting/patching etc) which ever you like.
Rafyvitto

Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...

dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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I LOL'ed +tenchars

gunnyman said:
Yeah it ought to be about as easy as loading OS X on a Commodore 64.
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dressanderc said:
Well, maybe Steve can call Xerox for some help with that...
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ROFL thats some good stuff guys.

who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!

designgears said:
who wants sense anyways, it's just a big shiney TURD!
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+1
where's some good ol' fashioned AOSP when you need it?
*hint hint* DG *hint*

Personally, I cant wait till all manufacturers realize we don't want to be forced into sense, touch wiz etc.
Make it default if you have to, but provide an option to enjoy raw, unadulterated android!!!

I guess we wait and see what Gingerbread does about that.

To the OP, why don't YOU port Android 2.2 to the Captivate AND also port Sense??
Joking aside I am going to be cooking for the Captivate soon. I'm just waiting for Froyo so I can get my hands dirty with Android .
Maybe even a Sense port??

I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.

Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.

gunnyman said:
Sense is so deeply entangled into Android, kinda like trying to remove Internet Explorer from Windows 95, It is virtually impossible to get it working without all the kernel extensions HTC added to the OS.
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Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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jaredc74 said:
Just a historical footnote. Internet explorer was very easy to remove from windows 95. The original release of win95 didn't even include internet explorer. It was only available as part of the plus! Pack of addons. The SR1 release had IE v2 included but it could be easily deleted. It wasn't until IE 4 that active desktop became a part of the package and began making it difficult to seperate from the OS. IE 4 came sr2.5 but was an optional upgrade for most win95 instalations.
But i knew what you meant.
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haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)

Kaik541 said:
haha, I was literally going to add almost exactly this.
Sense seems only to be portable to devices that can run off of HTC-based ROMs. It seems to be much easier to remove it than to try and bring it over (I haven't heard of it being brought to a device that wasn't HTC based). The widgets haven't even been ported to the best of my knowledge to work on non-Sense launchers. And, as proven by our phones, they could have made Sense even MORE integrated considering removing touchwiz launcher causes massive force closes. Also, Sense is proprietary and cosed source, so we don't have any low-level access to remove the HTC restrictions (short of binary hacking, which I know nothing about and could indeed be wrong about)
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Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
rafyvitto said:
I've been working on porting sense to our the device for some weeks now but roms fail to boot, changing libs etc, got no clue of what else to try.
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You got a PM

DJGonzo said:
Well how the huck did they get Sense on the HD2?? It doesn't even come with android from factory! We need someone to shed a little more light in this. Maybe its because they use some Qualcomm specific images or something.
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notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.

Kaik541 said:
notice how I said I can't see it being ported to a non-HTC device. The HD2 is indeed an HTC device and I believe the ROM that has Sense is one built off of an HTC ROM for another device. Much like how the Legend ROMs were able to be fairly easily/quickly ported to the Aria. In fact, many of the internals of the HD2 resemble a lot of the Android hardware produced by HTC (qualcomm snapdragon and all that good stuff I believe)... the difficulty of getting android on that device had nothing to do with the ROMs, but actually getting haret to boot a linux kernel properly.
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Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.

DJGonzo said:
Unless they ported the whole ROM and re used drivers, I don't quite understand how they got it to work.
They got Sense 2.5 working from The HD2 onto the Omnia II (winmo), so its quite possible. We just need a team of developers willing to do the work. I can offer hosting and testing and little technical help since I am new at Android but I think we can get it to work if we start to tinker with it.
Maybe a ROM port is in order?
Maybe we should wait for a Froyo kernel though.
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I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying it hasn't been done. There are (correct me if I'm wrong) absolutely no non-HTC android devices with the Sense UI. I know nothing about the HD2/Omnia II Sense port, but that's WinMo... not even remotely close to Android in terms of interoperability. I also feel like any ROMs designed to bring Sense UI to non-HTC android devices would be hit with C&D's since it's their proprietary software (hence why both Fancy Widget and Beautiful Widgets got in trouble originally when they launched on the market).
Don't get me wrong, good luck in porting it, hell even I like the look of it and would love the option, but considering how long Sense has been out for android (and numerous devices) and we don't see it on any non-HTC android devices, I have to believe it's been tried and just doesn't work (which is why you also don't see MotoBLUR/NinjaBLUR anywhere else either... or even TouchWiz on the EVO)

Also I think the HD2 and the Desire are the same hardware. If not the Desire it's another phone. That also makes porting Android pretty painless.

Android 2.3

Will it be possible for us to get 2.3 ported on the milestone?

We haven't even got official 2.2 yet...

cherrybombaz said:
Will it be possible for us to get 2.3 ported on the milestone?
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needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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Is that really true? What would require higher memory than Froyo? I don't see anything in the features which would require 512MB..

Guys: let's focus on what is REALLY important from 2.3. We don't need all those features...I mean: we WOULD like to get them all but I think it's a hard challenge for developers (the upgraded kernel hasn't even been released for 2.2, I don't want a 2.3 with battery draining and kernel_issues just becuase of Motorola laziness...). I just need a 2.1 (which covers all the "basics" of what a smartphone MUST do) with some improvements from 2.3! I'll start with mine:
1) New Keyboard: I really want to try the new keyboard and think shouldn't be so difficult to port it to 2.1 (just a hope!)
2) Download manager: not a must-have but hey...would be useful!
3) New UI and "smoother" animations: I'm quite sure this is almost impossible to port..
4) Support for WebM: see above...
By the way maybe the whole gingerbread can run on 2.6.32 kernel! So a good porting would be ready when motorola releases the official 2.2 sbf. Am I correct?
EDIT: Look at these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AAFF9PN-WU&feature=channel
Youtube 2.0 is also available for 2.1! I can't notice any difference with 2.3!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgf8RW7B88&feature=channel
Newer streetview and Maps navigation are available on 2.1...No voice controls though!

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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And also (correct me if I'm wrong)
Probably some features like GPU accelleration in openGL 2.0 may be a little difficult to port over right?

mardurhack said:
3) New UI and "smoother" animations
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it's a sweet dream... but i would be awesome

@89luca89: I didn't see anywhere that 2.3 supports GPU acceleration! This would be AWSOME especially for the browser!! How have Opera's guys been able to enable hw acceleration on their browser? Do you think it would be also possible on custom browsers like Dolphin or is that a "Presto" (the Opera's rendering engine while Chrome's one is Webkit) feature? Thanks!
@razer54: Being sincere...I'd really like (read as NEED) a smoother browser than smoother animations...Launcher Pro is smooth enough for me! And menus scrolling is too! The only one who lacks smooth interaction (scrolling, pinch2zoom etc.) is the browser! But, as I wrote above, there could be the possibility to port Opera's hw acceleration on a browser like Dolphin (or the stock one being the source code public). Couldn't it?

I presume everyone has seen this:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
Heaps of the new improvements look awesome, improved responciveness, native audio control, new keyboard, dalivik garbage collector, native voip, updated video drivers - all this stuff would make lots of apps (including games!) much better on Android.
I really hope game devs start getting serious about Android with the approah of the Playstation phone and Android 2.3 available. I'm no expert but I assume while some things like the new keyboard may be possible to port back to 2.1 or 2.2 on milestone, we will never see the bulk of 2.3 on our phones.

Ballinor I almost forgot to ask if copy&paste can be ported from 2.3!!
EDIT: Ok I changed my mind...I NEED Gingerbread!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that will be possible to install it on Milestone!

can someone port the new keyboard? there´s already a couple of leaked keyboards but they all appear small on our precious .... its like a hyper compact keyboard ....

Dexter_nlb said:
needs higher memory requirements like 512Mb, so only Miletone2 and in 2012..
(it took 1yr for milestone1, so thats easy to estimate from now+12months)
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I'm sorry but what you're saying is mostly a dull statement. I wouldn't expect this coming from you at all, seriously. You didn't even explained what would need more memory. Its clearly stated the most of the higher specs would be used for new Multimedia standards and gaming improvements (Concurrent garbage collector being one of them!).
It took a bit more then half of year for Milestone 1 to get unofficial 2.2, the biggest problem being unlocked boot loader.
This is the same thing as telling its impossible to get Froyo to G1. Officially, that is correct. Unofficially, Cyano and everyone in XDA and other communities are doing everything to keep G1 alive. And I can tell you, Froyo on G1 is working smooth and without problems.

greglord said:
I'm sorry but what you're saying is mostly a dull statement. I wouldn't expect this coming from you at all, seriously. You didn't even explained what would need more memory. Its clearly stated the most of the higher specs would be used for new Multimedia standards and gaming improvements (Concurrent garbage collector being one of them!).
It took a bit more then half of year for Milestone 1 to get unofficial 2.2, the biggest problem being unlocked boot loader.
This is the same thing as telling its impossible to get Froyo to G1. Officially, that is correct. Unofficially, Cyano and everyone in XDA and other communities are doing everything to keep G1 alive. And I can tell you, Froyo on G1 is working smooth and without problems.
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The 512mb of RAM is a statement from Google. They just want less fragmantation in android devices.
What that really means is it'll probably run on the Milestone if we didn't have that damn bootloader..
It'll probably be ported to the Droid.

It will be ported to Milestone too..

greglord said:
It will be ported to Milestone too..
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Yup,but without proper kernel

I hope so!!!
Unfortunately I'm not an expert in programming, but I'll give all my support for testing!
Milestone is too young do be abandoned, it is still an optimum phone in my opinion!

mardurhack said:
@89luca89: I didn't see anywhere that 2.3 supports GPU acceleration! This would be AWSOME especially for the browser!! How have Opera's guys been able to enable hw acceleration on their browser? Do you think it would be also possible on custom browsers like Dolphin or is that a "Presto" (the Opera's rendering engine while Chrome's one is Webkit) feature? Thanks!
@razer54: Being sincere...I'd really like (read as NEED) a smoother browser than smoother animations...Launcher Pro is smooth enough for me! And menus scrolling is too! The only one who lacks smooth interaction (scrolling, pinch2zoom etc.) is the browser! But, as I wrote above, there could be the possibility to port Opera's hw acceleration on a browser like Dolphin (or the stock one being the source code public). Couldn't it?
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you got a point, i wanted to speak about browsing experience when i wrote animation ^^

max_3000 said:
The 512mb of RAM is a statement from Google. They just want less fragmantation in android devices.
What that really means is it'll probably run on the Milestone if we didn't have that damn bootloader..
It'll probably be ported to the Droid.
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Can you please post a link where I can see such Google statement? Thanks.
(And to be clear, I'm not interested in links to the old rumors that have been denied and ridiculed directly by a google engineer a long time ago.)

mardurhack said:
Guys: let's focus on what is REALLY important from 2.3. We don't need all those features...I mean: we WOULD like to get them all but I think it's a hard challenge for developers (the upgraded kernel hasn't even been released for 2.2, I don't want a 2.3 with battery draining and kernel_issues just becuase of Motorola laziness...). I just need a 2.1 (which covers all the "basics" of what a smartphone MUST do) with some improvements from 2.3! I'll start with mine:
1) New Keyboard: I really want to try the new keyboard and think shouldn't be so difficult to port it to 2.1 (just a hope!)
2) Download manager: not a must-have but hey...would be useful!
3) New UI and "smoother" animations: I'm quite sure this is almost impossible to port..
4) Support for WebM: see above...
By the way maybe the whole gingerbread can run on 2.6.32 kernel! So a good porting would be ready when motorola releases the official 2.2 sbf. Am I correct?
EDIT: Look at these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AAFF9PN-WU&feature=channel
Youtube 2.0 is also available for 2.1! I can't notice any difference with 2.3!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCgf8RW7B88&feature=channel
Newer streetview and Maps navigation are available on 2.1...No voice controls though!
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i agree...
obviously we won't get all the new implementations, but it would be nice to have some of them... the easier ones to port...

I think one of the most important think to port it"s the jit no ? if i remember well, the jit from froyo was ported to eclair, so the one from gingerbread can be ported to froyo no ?

DFT TEAM has Android working on Nand PRO2

DFT team has released a video of Android running on nand pro2
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
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wow
hey , sound good,
i hope working an topaz,too
i think they both phones have similar technical data.
i dont understand why cpu is to slow, lenin reds built with sense
run much more faster from sdcard than this nand built ????
btw good work from the DFT Team , thx

hello there. let's hope topaz, aka touch diamond2, wont be forgotten.
I'll be willing to pay for good working rom

sounds promising
waiting for more updates

Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.

loadstone007 said:
Hopefully it will be working on our phones as well.
BTW, one of the comments said to be using Neopeek's android roms. Can someone post a link, I must have missed them.
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Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...

ReWind402 said:
Click here. Anyway its a little bit outdated but try it and be sure to update kernel, rootfs,...
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Thanks!
It's indeed outdated, perhaps I should just wait.

thijsdgier said:
RHO's CPU is too slow and screen resolution too high for sense, so we decide to make pure Android ROM based on Android 2.2
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Well, i don't know if this will be the same decision for topaz. But if yes then it's a bad bad info for me
I just hate pure android and sense in android rocks!!
I also don't understand this because i have lenin build and it's fasttt from sdcard!!!
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
Anyway thanks for all who make this possible even if it no feet my needs!!
Thank you

Zimaia said:
Shouldn't be even faster from nand??
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AFAIK nand is not faster than sd-method. But it would allow you too get rid off winmo.

actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.

1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.

Airpil said:
1 - Topaz is very small mobile phone. I am don't wants to use such big phone like HD2.
2 - Battary life in topaz is more longer
3 - It have smaler screan and that is why it is more clear.
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you misunderstood my post, i'm just tryin to say how thing are and hd2 was best example i could think of. i like my diamonds very much. first gen was really awesome on looks, but low on hardware(slow and small ram..etc).
i wish there will be some goodies from dft soon

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actually guys, your phone won't improve that much after NAND. believe me i'm hd2 user and i have used android since first versions based off xdandroid..
as far as speed goes, read/write is actually faster on sdcard!
only andvantage of nand is stability and power consumption, ofcourse after all quirks are polished.
qc's 528 msm's are too slow to run sense well. it can get slow even on 1ghz. wvga is too much to handle, and sense is very ram sensitive! maybe if someone could get it upscaled from hvga, but in that case it would be streched..
i also own both diamonds(I and II) and i would love to see winmo gone. but on good port like leo(feels like native device) we had advantage of few devices with same components built in and much work being already done, and i do not see wvga android with small screen and 528mhz released by htc.
i'm just being realistic here, not mean or anything else.
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quited d2 and joined moto defy~~~

What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR

Black.Heart said:
What happened to this project??? I didn't see MAGLDR
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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...

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It was closed-source, and I don't believe they ever made a public release. Since none of the code is available to the public, no other dev can pickup where they left off...
Crappy model to go with. Were still pushing forward with NAND using open source concepts, and RHOD is getting there (just very slowly). I'm hoping each device will have at least one dev that will step up and get the dirty work done to look towards NAND on all devices... but that hasn't happened yet. There's not even that much (developer) steam behind NAND on RHOD...
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I am very much upset with that you are right!

Gingerbread preview by LG Italy

[work in progress version]

this is already in other posts

Seems exactly the same as froyo, same speed at menu changes ect look exactly the same, will probly just stick with stock froyo if thats the case.

Stupid LG didn't even updated the kernel...

They still have the same kernel because they are waiting for some thing from nvidia. (That is what I understood)
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Updating the kernel doesnt do ****, how about a cup of 'inform yourself'.
They have most likely fixed the old one, which is enough.

Original Gingerbread has a newer kernel so that should be better, why would google implement it then?

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Original Gingerbread has a newer kernel so that should be better, why would google implement it then?
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Vista is newer than windows XP, so it should be better according to your logic.
New doesnt mean good. The kernel isnt that bad, just bugged. My guess is they're just going to fix the old one, which isnt a bad thing.

FreeZr said:
Vista is newer than windows XP, so it should be better according to your logic.
New doesnt mean good. The kernel isnt that bad, just bugged. My guess is they're just going to fix the old one, which isnt a bad thing.
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I dont follow your logic, so you mean its better for LG to make som arbitrary bugfixing on the faulty kernel than using a newer one, which of course has a few bugs killed by nvidia themselves.
Honeycomb does not use this old kernel despite its working, why is that?

Definitivelly they solved that instalations freezig problem I am really looking forward to that ROM

Battery color is really ugly with the rest in gingerbread green...
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PatrikS said:
I dont follow your logic, so you mean its better for LG to make som arbitrary bugfixing on the faulty kernel than using a newer one, which of course has a few bugs killed by nvidia themselves.
Honeycomb does not use this old kernel despite its working, why is that?
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Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.

FreeZr said:
Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.
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You don't need it, but it IS better. Vista isn't better then XP. Not the kernel but defenitely also NOT the whole OS. But I guess we have to agree that Gingerbread is better then froyo right? Then why would google implement a new kernel? Because it's better and adds a few more features. And if LG doesn't, I don't like that.
I agree that it's not necessary but in my opinion it is a bit stupid.

FreeZr said:
Yea, you clearly don't follow my logic or else you wouldnt have anwered that question.
Because honeycomb is something completely different with entire new features and hardware supports.
GB is just an upgraded version of froyo, hence you wont need a completely newly coded kernel.
You guys need to get into coding before you open your silly mouth.
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And 2.6.36 IS totally new kernel???? NO!! Holy ****, nVidia released new VERSION of android/linux kernel for Tegra2 with some improvements (which can be used in GB), but STUPID LG continues bugfixing old one.... great example of stupidity!
And you are defending LG... Are you on of LG stupid managers leading LG SW development?
My knowledge of prog. languages: C#. ABAP, C/C++....

I just hope they will bring Icecream Sandwich to the O2X!
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Vista has always been better than XP.
Have had Vista professional x64 from the beginning and it was way better and stable from the beginning. I don't get the whole Vista bashing thing.
Probably because it was a bit different and people didn't want to learn something new.
Windows 7 x64 is far better then Vista of course but I recently had the opportunity to use a win XP PC again and I was shocked how antique and dull this OS is.
(All of the Microsoft Operating Systems together are quite ok and I'd still take a proper Linux distro over all of them when it comes to working with a PC. But for a mix of work, media and gaming Win7 is the way to go.)

I'm no LG fan boy. I wont sit here and defend them for there choice of kernel. If they pick a new one they probably have reasons for that. If they keep the old one its because they thing that it wont make any big difference with a new one. But what does the Linux kernel get each update??? Hopefully some people here like my self might be Linux users on desktops to and there for be able to answer that question. But for you them that might not know. Its drivers updates and compatibility with new hardware. Does the O2X have some thing that's shining new inside? Not any more. The kernel that they are using now in 10D does have support for all the current hardware inside the O2X and from that point of view no reason to update it.
PS: I'm a arch user and always love to have the "latest" but I'm afraid that even if they pick the last one by Nvida it wont change as much as people here thinks.

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And 2.6.36 IS totally new kernel???? NO!! Holy ****, nVidia released new VERSION of android/linux kernel for Tegra2 with some improvements (which can be used in GB), but STUPID LG continues bugfixing old one.... great example of stupidity!
And you are defending LG... Are you on of LG stupid managers leading LG SW development?
My knowledge of prog. languages: C#. ABAP, C/C++....
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I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
mike-o2 said:
I just hope they will bring Icecream Sandwich to the O2X!
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Vista has always been better than XP.
Have had Vista professional x64 from the beginning and it was way better and stable from the beginning. I don't get the whole Vista bashing thing.
Probably because it was a bit different and people didn't want to learn something new.
Windows 7 x64 is far better then Vista of course but I recently had the opportunity to use a win XP PC again and I was shocked how antique and dull this OS is.
(All of the Microsoft Operating Systems together are quite ok and I'd still take a proper Linux distro over all of them when it comes to working with a PC. But for a mix of work, media and gaming Win7 is the way to go.)
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Vista is a load of bull****, and far from being stable from the beginning, what are you talking about?
Wanna know something funny? Win 7 is heavily built on the Vista kernel, they just updated it. Bam.
And we're still able to get the newest updates.
My point is -> Just because something was ****ty, doesnt mean you cant improve it.
You guys are just crying for no reason, an old kernel doesnt mean something bad.

Kernel is a important thing too. Gingerbread was specially made on .36 kernel. Upgraded kernel adds many new features regarding sched, io operation and overall performance if specific hardware driver is well written
FreeZr said:
I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
Vista is a load of bull****, and far from being stable from the beginning, what are you talking about?
Wanna know something funny? Win 7 is heavily built on the Vista kernel, they just updated it. Bam.
And we're still able to get the newest updates.
My point is -> Just because something was ****ty, doesnt mean you cant improve it.
You guys are just crying for no reason, an old kernel doesnt mean something bad.
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FreeZr said:
I'm not defending LG, they are a crappy company at all. I'm just saying fixing the old one isnt a bad thing since all of the GB goodes will be available to it.
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But that is the problem, without .36 kernel we can't use everything form GB, because some things need .36 kernel... This (.32 kernel + GB) will be only new problem-making "solution" from LG.....but that their way of doing things... my girlfriend also wanted 2x as I have... no no dear LG....I bought her Galaxy S2... and why? YES WE all know... so dear LG, continue in making this **** and loose all your customers....

what are those things that need the new kernel?

[Q] Android 4.2.2 for x8?

More like a rage, than a question, but... why is there no one trying to port 4.2.2 for ours x8?
Many lower spec phones have a port, wich to be fair, do have bugs, but at least have it. What happened to the x8 dev scene? Many thanks to nAa for keeping x8 alive, but is there no one else that can scratch the surface of 4.2.2? Plus with the .32 kernel aren't things supposed to be fair easily in porting?
I see nAa wrote 4.1.0 is coming, but... i sure would want 4.2.2 for my baby

gocegi said:
More like a rage, than a question, but... why is there no one trying to port 4.2.2 for ours x8?
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This is a developer forum, if you want it, try to make it, if you can't, then don't complain about it.
Go back to eclair if you are not satisfied with the development so far.

gocegi said:
More like a rage, than a question, but... why is there no one trying to port 4.2.2 for ours x8?
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Many users can't get 4.0 even
see boot animation without rebooting

gocegi said:
More like a rage, than a question, but... why is there no one trying to port 4.2.2 for ours x8?
Many lower spec phones have a port, wich to be fair, do have bugs, but at least have it. What happened to the x8 dev scene? Many thanks to nAa for keeping x8 alive, but is there no one else that can scratch the surface of 4.2.2? Plus with the .32 kernel aren't things supposed to be fair easily in porting?
I see nAa wrote 4.1.0 is coming, but... i sure would want 4.2.2 for my baby
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I must admit that I am working on that but I'd prefer you to be patient in this area

For experience of 4.2.2 we need many requirements, ex:
unlocked BL
A new kernel (for bugless roms)
Enough knowledge for cooking kernel(we need to partition internal memory{for heavy 4.2.2} which was not necessary on gb)
Jtag tools (cooking kernel is a sensitive progress & hard bricks is so regular)
& just some developers have the knowledge & tools for cooking
#& I'm pretty sure if a recognized developer cook that kernel there will be a lot of roms for working on it
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gocegi said:
Many lower spec phones have a port, wich to be fair, do have bugs, but at least have it.
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Which phone you are talking about
see boot animation without rebooting

Gogeta said:
Which phone you are talking about
see boot animation without rebooting
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Can't you tell when someone talks BS? There are no devices lower spec'd than ours running 4.2.2

CtrlAltDelIrl said:
Can't you tell when someone talks BS? There are no devices lower spec'd than ours running 4.2.2
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How funny, the guy that trolls everyone about not using the search button, failed to use it. The only BS talking comes from you my friend by playing smartass and looking dumb at the end.
Here educate yourself lil bit, and "use the search button"
LG p350 Me, cyanogenmod 10.1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2054438

guys lets not start a flame war here.
@op
learn to wait.
naa himself said that he is working to release android version 4.x for our device..
so it's possible that we might get 4.2..

Well I must say I'm surprised that they've got it working on such a POS phone..
I don't think the experience would be up to much though with so little ram and microsoft's (LG) cheapo hardware ideology..

CtrlAltDelIrl said:
Well I must say I'm surprised that they've got it working on such a POS phone..
I don't think the experience would be up to much though with so little ram and microsoft's (LG) cheapo hardware ideology..
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Judging from changelog, development seems a tad easier over the fence. Kernel version is up to 2.6.35.